TDS or Trump derangement syndrome updates

stevenkesslar · 2025-07-11T20:21:09Z

28 minutes ago, Suckrates said:

And it should be clear that the typical Trump voter accepts being lied to and betrayed by him......

So I guess we aint in the same "glory hole" on this point hon ? 😏

I think we are talking about two different types of voters. As you say, you are talking about Trump voters. And within that, I would distinguish between people who voted for Trump, and people who identify as MAGA (about 3 in 4 Republicans or so).

You are absolutely right that there are Trump voters who simply obey. @lookin has made a bunch of really thoughtful posts for years about authoritarian followers, citing various sources. So that is a good concept for the kinds of voters who you are talking about.

They are loyal and true and obedient and cruel. Just like our good loyal MAGA pup. Don't forget to give him a treat. He'll be extra cruel just to spite you, Sis.

Of course, they don't think they are cruel. They think they are loyal and true and obedient and good. That was my point about citing these Republicans leaders in Valadao's district. Of course they are not going to make people sick or hungry! Of course Donald Trump would never do that!

Riddle me this, Batman. I have a Trump voting relative who is literally on the board of a food bank. He is a very smart and compassionate guy, who is very proud of what the food bank he serves on does. Best guess is that food banks would literally have to double their output to make up for the SNAP cuts. Which is basically impossible. So what is the point? Do good by serving on a food bank board, and then support someone who wipes out all the good you did, and makes hunger a lot worse?

Now, what would happen if Donald Trump personally decided our good and loyal and true pup had to be turned into Trump Steaks to feed hungry Trump voters when Trump takes their Medicaid and food away? Would the loyal pup suddenly be less obedient? That's a tough one. You'll have to ask the dumb dog yourself. If you can get him to stop barking.

I'm talking about different voters. We know that Trump lost in 2020 and won in 2024. We know Valadao lost in 2018 and won in 2020. We know there are swing voters. I think it is clear that Trump won a lot of votes in 2024, especially among people who are working class or young or poor, because they were pissed about inflation or rent or gas prices or whatever. Trump promised not to fuck with them, or their Medicaid. He promised to lower their prices. Tillis was right. They are being betrayed.

My point is they are not stupid. The polls say they have already figured it out. 2 in 3 voters don't like this bill. Independents abhor it. When they find out more about the cruel details in the bill, I think they may be even more pissed. But Trump voters, of course, love it. Especially ones who say they are MAGA. Aka The Cult.

You're talking about the cultists or authoritarian followers. I totally agree with you. I am talking about swing voters or independents.

Suckrates · 2025-07-11T21:01:14Z

30 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said:

I think we are talking about two different types of voters. As you say, you are talking about Trump voters. And within that, I would distinguish between people who voted for Trump, and people who identify as MAGA (about 3 in 4 Republicans or so).

You are absolutely right that there are Trump voters who simply obey. @lookin has made a bunch of really thoughtful posts for years about authoritarian followers, citing various sources. So that is a good concept for the kinds of voters who you are talking about.

I'm talking about different voters. We know that Trump lost in 2020 and won in 2024. We know Valadao lost in 2018 and won in 2020. We know there are swing voters. I think it is clear that Trump won a lot of votes in 2024, especially among people who are working class or young or poor, because they were pissed about inflation or rent or gas prices or whatever. Trump promised not to fuck with them, or their Medicaid. He promised to lower their prices. Tillis was right. They are being betrayed.

My point is they are not stupid. The polls say they have already figured it out. 2 in 3 voters don't like this bill. Independents abhor it. When they find out more about the cruel details in the bill, I think they may be even more pissed. But Trump voters, of course, love it. Especially ones who say they are MAGA. Aka The Cult.

You're talking about the cultists or authoritarian followers. I totally agree with you. I am talking about swing voters or independents.

I am now gonna be a real CUNT here..... Your points well taken, but if swings and indys ARE NOT STUPID they would NOT have voted for Trump over Harris.... They has already experienced years of Trump, knew who and what he was.....A LIAR and con man, and a man who tried to overthrow a free and fair election TO STAY IN POWER. they knew the agenda he was pursuing..... they knew everything they needed to know NOT TO VOTE for him again..... so what do they do ? THEY VOTE FOR HIM... That act shows me they are no different or better than the CULT ! Excuses ARE just excuses, and there were no excuses to be made to vote for Trump in 2024 after a basically failed Presidency in 2016......

So dear, for me, we are still NOT in the same "glory hole"...... Your well taken points are in the camp of "well it only makes sense that they would not......." but we have already seen that "they would" and DID in 2024. Unless their own lives change significantly, you can bet they would vote for him AGAIM if given the chance..... But lets hope they WONT get the chance ! CAPISCE ?????