Moses Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago Few in the West are familiar with the three similar-sounding geographical names mentioned in the Russian textbook on modern history: Khatyn, Katyn, and Volyn (Volhynia). These places witnessed essentially identical criminal events of state-level significance, albeit in different years. Khatyn is a village in Belarus that was completely burned down by the Nazis in 1943 for supporting partisans – the German Nazis herded all the inhabitants into their houses and burned all the houses along with the people inside. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khatyn_massacre Katyn is a village near Smolensk, where the Smolensk regional NKVD (Soviet secret police) department executed political prisoners during the Stalinist regime. The lower photo (in prev. post) shows three paths, with the Russian flag on the left and the Polish flag on the right – the left path leads to mass graves of Soviet citizens, the right to mass graves of Polish citizens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre Russia, as the successor state to the USSR, has acknowledged both the fact of repression against its own citizens and the fact of the Katyn massacre. The parliament adopted a resolution designating the Katyn events concerning Polish citizens as a crime (a resolution on actions against its own citizens was adopted during the Soviet era). A memorial was built in the Katyn forest at the site of all the mass graves (see post above). Volyn (Volhynia). However, the victims of the Volhynia massacre are still waiting for justice. Between 50,000 and 60,000 ethnic Poles were killed by Ukrainian nationalists from the UPA (led by Shukhevych) and OUN (led by Bandera) in Western Ukraine in the spring of 1943. In total, up to 100,000 people perished in the massacre. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia Shukhevich: Poland has repeatedly raised the "Volhynia question." The current President of Poland mentions the Volhynia massacre in almost every speech. But there is a problem: the current, post-coup (2014) Nazi regime of Ukraine has declared Shukhevych and Bandera national heroes of Ukraine. Therefore, the people who led UPA and OUN are not only not accused of criminal behavior, but central avenues in the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, are named after them. https://www.kyivpost.com/post/7766 Quote
Moses Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago Do you know how looks memorial about Volyn massacre created in Poland? I will zoom to the main detail, for your understanding what Poles think about Volyn. Even in metal this detail is quite disturbing. Quote
vinapu Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 16 hours ago, Moses said: But why you don't mention here "Volyn by Ukrainian Nazi"? my comment was to your correct assertion that ' history is written by the victors". I don't think they were any victors in Volyn massacres as soon after Red Army entered in , Ukrainian nationalists were dangling from any tree available, guilty or not. There was no space for nationalists in Soviet sphere. Monument in Katyn looks impressive and dignified, Hope there's another one for Soviet victims of NKVD murdered there which were more numerous. now, what about page 162 and war time rapes in East Prussia ? Ruthrieston 1 Quote
vinapu Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 8 hours ago, Moses said: But there is a problem: the current, post-coup (2014) Nazi regime of Ukraine has declared Shukhevych and Bandera national heroes of Ukraine. Therefore, the people who led UPA and OUN are not only not accused of criminal behavior, but central avenues in the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, are named after them. so Russia invaded Ukraine having noble goal of changing names of those avenues to more palatable while her own butchers are resting in peace on Red Square behind ( and inside) of Lenin Mausoleum ? PeterRS and Ruthrieston 2 Quote
PeterRS Posted 2 hours ago Author Posted 2 hours ago 2 hours ago, vinapu said: so Russia invaded Ukraine having noble goal of changing names of those avenues to more palatable while her own butchers are resting in peace on Red Square behind ( and inside) of Lenin Mausoleum ? And the one who to many appeared not to be a butcher, Nikita Khrushchev who denounced Stalin, was denied burial in the Kremlin Wall and instead lies in peace inside Moscow's Novodevichy Cemetery. (Of course during the Stalin era he had followed the Kremlin's orders). And that's perhaps appropriate because there he is in the presence of truly great Russians like Chekov, Gogol, Shostakovich, Chaliapin, Prokofiev, Rostropovich and his wife Vishnevskaya, Ulanova and so many others, including Stalin's wife who shot herself in 1932 aged 31. Graves of Khrushchev (above) and Stalin's wife (below) vinapu 1 Quote
vinapu Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, PeterRS said: And the one who to many appeared not to be a butcher O Santa Simplictatis ! Quote
PeterRS Posted 1 hour ago Author Posted 1 hour ago 12 minutes ago, vinapu said: O Santa Simplictatis ! You "appear" to confuse "appeared to be" with "was"! Quote