AdamSmith Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Can't make this stuff up. NY Post is reporting: PERV GROUP PUTS 10G 'HIT' ON ANDY SECURITY TIGHTENED: Attorney General Andrew Cuomo has been targeted for death by a person claiming to be an official with NAMBLA, the North American Man/Boy Love Association. ALBANY - A $10,000 Internet bounty was placed on Attorney General Andrew Cuomo's head by a suspected agent of the North American Man/Boy Love Association, The Post has learned. The shocking death threat by the infamous organization of pederasts was posted three weeks ago on an Internet news-group bulletin board that originated in The Bronx, law-enforcement sources said. The threat, described by a source as "unprecedented" because it is believed to come from an organization, prompted a sweeping and ongoing criminal probe by the Attorney General's Office and at least one other law-enforcement organization, and subpoenas were issued, sources said. The "reward" was offered under the headline: "$10,000 to shoot Andrew Cuomo in the face!" "I am an official of NAMBLA, and I can confirm that we have raised the cash to reward any individual who manages to accomplish this task. Thank you," read the message, a transcript of which was obtained by The Post. The message, which investigators have linked to an imprisoned pervert with strong NAMBLA ties - and whom Cuomo's office is seeking to keep behind bars under a "civil commitment" law - was spotted by a citizen who brought it to the attention of Verizon, his Internet service provider. Law-enforcement sources declined to reveal the imprisoned man's identity. But an informant connected to the man's case told investigators NAMBLA is, in fact, out to kill Cuomo, sources said. "He said he believes the death threat on the Internet is connected to an effort by NAMBLA to kill the attorney general," an investigative source said. "It is our understanding that people in the, and I hate to call it this, 'pedophile community' are angry at Cuomo's office because he's been making the [internet service providers] take responsibility for policing child pornography - and he's been very aggressive in seeking to keep NAMBLA types behind bars through civil commitment." Verizon security officers quickly removed the posting and notified police agencies, including Cuomo's office, sources said. "An aggressive criminal investigation" was then launched with subpoenas issued targeting the Internet site and the person who sent the message, the sources said. Security around Cuomo - normally light to nonexistent - was immediately tightened. The attorney general, who has recently garnered national and international attention through his investigation of huge bonuses paid to Merrill Lynch executives as their firm was being acquired by Bank of America, is now being accompanied during public appearances by several armed investigators who work for his office. Criminal investigators, working with Verizon, tracked the message to a news group maintained by a woman living in a private home in The Bronx. The woman denied any knowledge of the message, allowed investigators to examine her personal computer, and was eventually told she was not a suspect, sources said. "She was clearly not involved," one source said. Investigators, meanwhile, tried to track the source of the message itself - locating a partial e-mail address - but computer-tracing efforts "led to a dead end," according to the source. Cuomo's office has kept at least 75 convicted sexual predators, including several linked to NAMBLA, in state prison under a tough, new civil-commitment law approved in 2007. The measure allows sexually violent offenders to be confined even when their sentences would otherwise be up. A Cuomo spokesman called the threat "an ongoing security matter that we take very seriously." Security surrounding public officials is a sensitive subject rarely discussed openly, but in early 2007, after then-Gov. Eliot Spitzer authorized State Police protection for former Gov. George Pataki, it was revealed that Pataki had been the subject of 146 "high-risk" threats during his 12 years in office. NAMBLA, once a publicly active organization with chapters in New York City and on the West Coast, has largely been driven underground by a series of criminal prosecutions, civil lawsuits and aggressive infiltration by law-enforcement organizations. http://www.nypost.com/seven/03092009/news/...andy_158663.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caeron Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 While this makes good copy, I'm dubious. This strikes me as a lone loon trying to get attention, or an attempt to discredit the already discredited. I had some sympathy for NAMBLA in my naive youth, because I think the country needs healthy debate about age of consent laws and how best to handle these things. Of course there was nothing healthy about the debate they generated. I still wish there was something that could drive that debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamSmith Posted March 10, 2009 Author Share Posted March 10, 2009 While this makes good copy, I'm dubious.This strikes me as a lone loon trying to get attention, or an attempt to discredit the already discredited. Quite possibly. Thus in part my caveat that media source was NY Post. So very likely that was not the whole story. I think the country needs healthy debate about age of consent laws and how best to handle these things. Agree, but fear you have managed to find a social issue that is even less susceptible of rational treatment than drug policy or sex work. Fascinating what the cultural-studies academics have uncovered about the social construction of "childhood" and "adolescence." One at random: http://web.grinnell.edu/courses/mitc/vande...20Childhood.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caeron Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Yes, I've come to the opinion that our society, as a whole, just is too hung up about ideas of childhood and sexuality to have this debate in any kind of productive way. Interesting link. I think the changing definition of childhood is probably warranted in our much more complex industrial society, but biological sexuality hasn't changed just because society has creating a gap that we don't address. So we have people trapped in the liminal state between adulthood and childhood where they are sexual, but aren't supposed to be. But, as you say, we're not going to address it any time soon. It's hardly the most pressing social issue, but I'm saddened by the human cost. There was a guy in Maine who got convicted of statutory rape. I forget the exact details but it was with his girlfriend and she was 16 and he was 18, or there about. He had to register as a sex offender. Some vigilante decided that he was going to "protect his community" and murdered the man. Sadly, that's hardly an isolated case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamSmith Posted March 10, 2009 Author Share Posted March 10, 2009 Further to the topic: Teen ‘sexting’: Youthful prank or sex crime? With child porn charges being leveled, some say laws are behind the times March 10: Many teens who “sext†– or use cell phones to take and send around nude pictures – are now facing child pornography charges. Internet safety expert Parry Aftab and attorney Larry Walters discuss the issue. By Mike Celizic TODAYShow.com contributor updated 11:21 a.m. ET, Tues., March. 10, 2009 A 15-year-old Pennsylvania girl is facing child pornography charges for sending nude photos of herself to other kids. A 19-year-old Florida man got thrown out of college and has to register as a sex offender for 25 years because he sent nude pictures of his girlfriend to other teens. The growing phenomenon of kids using their cell phones and computers to share racy photos and videos is known as “sexting.†It is a problem that society is having trouble dealing with, and the punishments do not fit the perceived crimes, attorney Larry Walters told TODAY’s Matt Lauer Tuesday in New York. ... Cont. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29613192/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FourAces Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 The most shocking aspect of this story is that NAMBLA even is still around I thought this ped org was long gone .. as it should be in my opinion. Their extreme view of legal age (I believe they promote 8) is obscene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caeron Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I think they believe in the total abolishment of age of consent laws. I don't remember. I think that's clearly dangerous and appalling. But like adamsmith said, the government gives me not comfort in their turning teenage picadillos into legal horror shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamSmith Posted March 11, 2009 Author Share Posted March 11, 2009 The most shocking aspect of this story is that NAMBLA even is still around See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAMBLA http://encyclopediadramatica.com/NAMBLA http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/NAMBLA http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/406/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BigK Posted March 12, 2009 Members Share Posted March 12, 2009 This is a little bit of a tangent...but I always find it a bit curious when some minor commits a crime and is then tried as an adult. Seems like there are 2 sets of rules. Not sure what the age of consent should be, but things are not always cut and dried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest StuCotts Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Quite possibly. Thus in part my caveat that media source was NY Post. So very likely that was not the whole story.Agree, but fear you have managed to find a social issue that is even less susceptible of rational treatment than drug policy or sex work. Fascinating what the cultural-studies academics have uncovered about the social construction of "childhood" and "adolescence." One at random: http://web.grinnell.edu/courses/mitc/vande...20Childhood.htm Very big caveat. It's not smart to take any story in the Post at face value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BigK Posted March 13, 2009 Members Share Posted March 13, 2009 The most shocking aspect of this story is that NAMBLA even is still around I thought this ped org was long gone .. as it should be in my opinion. Their extreme view of legal age (I believe they promote 8) is obscene. I can't believe they're still around either. Especially after South Park skewered them so well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
