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Wow - I am now living here for 18 months and I was not aware that there are several Pattaya baht bus routes. Above is mentioned, "Operating along the Route 4..." So, I queried Google and sure enough there are many routes - here is the source article: https://www.pattayaunlimited.com/getting-around-pattaya/ with a link to a custom Google map, image below: Prior to reading this article I was only aware of the Jomtien & Pattaya route and the Beach Road & 2nd Road Loop routes. The above map implies that there are in fact 8 routes = wow.... Everyday we learn a new thing....

Thanks for the compliment ichigo. This forum gives me so much enjoyment and information that I like to share whatever intel that I have with our fellow forum members. I spent the 2019/2020 New Year's Eve in lovely Phú Quốc and I had a great time. I have a funny massage story from Phú Quốc. I was walking in one of those narrow alleyways near where all the main hotels are that go from the main road down to the beach and there was this very sexy massage guy that convinced me to get a massage in his shop. The only problem was that there were no walls just a sheer type of sheet separating each of the perhaps 10 massage beds from each other. This guy got me so excited with a BIG erection while I was laying on my stomach and he kept massaging my dick but I could not moan too load or shoot my load as there were women and other straight customers to my left and right. When I rolled over onto my back we had to stop because things became too obvious. I left there so horny and frustrated. My only regret was to ask him for a way for us to continue in a more private place. To this day, I think about that moment. If I ever go back to Phú Quốc I will try to find him again but after 4 years already I am sure that he has moved onto other things by now....

Are you sure it's about USD 12 ?

This is great information @bkkmfj2648. To further add to the above, the only place in Vietnam I've been to is Phu Quoc, and similar to Da Nang, the massage boys will make themselves known on the apps (I used Grindr), whether they are from a shop or freelance (although there is not a lot of choice there, and the grid even reaches to nearby Cambodia). One guy that approached me sent me a price list, from memory I think it was 300k VND if I came to his shop, or he said he could come to me and I can pay what I like. He ended up coming to my hotel and we had quite a good time. When I converted 300k VND to my home currency, it was incredibly cheap so I just gave him double.

Hadn't thought of that! Was thinking of more normal misuse!

No, actually, I was highlighting the point that to stop the sand getting to the parts the sun cannot reach, you need a big towel!

I found my masseurs in the apps: HeeSay and in Grindr Note that the word "massage" is an illegal word to use within the HeeSay app - so everybody just uses a different version - I used "maxsage" and I had no issues with the HeeSay chat monitors and the Vietnamese audience was able to understand what I was looking for. I am a 4 hands massage afficionado and I had difficulties to arrange those in my AirBnB room - as the Vietnamese are much more conservative than their Thai counterparts - as they still need to hide what they do - as they are all expected to get married by their traditional conservative families. I told all of the guys who complained to me about this to find and marry an open minded lesbian who has the same predicament - which will allow: - the family to be happy with the desired facade, - they can live their lives with their respective man-to-man and woman-to-woman partners, - and if needed to produce children for their respective families - then it would be easier to organize within this open minded facade family structure Almost ALL of the conservative Vietnamese that I told this to - were like WOW - now how do I find an open minded lesbian? None of them knew of any lesbian bars, or apps where lesbians can meet. Is there a lesbian life in Vietnam? Thailand ? They all envied the openness of Thai society - as the gay Vietnamese community was very interested in the Thai government's idea to legalize same sex marriages. I digressed - too much free time as a retiree.... For 4 hands massages - I used this massage shop = "Spa 4 some" which is located at: 43 Tân Thái 6, Mân Thái, Sơn Trà, Đà Nẵng, Vietnam The contact details for this unique massage shop are: local phone number: 0363 640 356 WhatsApp number: +84363640356 email: bkhanhkaka@gmail.com The owner, (I do not remember his name) is very nice and he contacted me via Grindr and proposed his massage shop to me. Normally I don't frequent massage shops as I like to order in - and since this was difficult to arrange for the above stated reasons, I agreed to go to his shop. He has 6 guys that he works with and he arranged for me to have 2 of them (site unseen - as I wanted a surprise) for my 4 hands 90 minute meeting for a charge of 1.400.000 VND - approximately 2.000 baht - 50% of the price that I normally pay back in Thailand - so, Vietnam is so much cheaper because of the poorly performing VND (Dong) currency. The meeting was very good - professional 4 hands massage with a nice smooth transition into the elongated happy ending phase - I was a very happy customer. Lastly, the local guys in the chats use a slightly different mechanism to identify that they are for hire: - the most frequent one is CB or CallBoy or Call Boy - for our Thai equivalent of MB - Money Boy - for massage - they tend to use variations of Massa or Mass or some other iteration You will figure it all out as each country has its hidden secrets to discover :>) which is the joy of why we like to travel and discover.

Today is Melania Trump’s birthday. This year, her orange painted meal-ticket husband, Donald Trump, is honoring her special day by sitting in a NYC courtroom while someone named David Pecker details how they kept the porn star and the playmate he was having sex with behind her back out of public view.

The world learned tragically during the 1930s and 1940s that a lot of people are attracted to a deeply unhappy and angry candidate. This is pretty much what we are seeing today in Trump's political base in America this time, not Europe.

Yes, you are right. I knew this board's group intelligence is a valuable resource. Sake Pub is alive and well, but it is now located on the Thonburi side of the river. The valid Facebook page is https://www.facebook.com/SakePubnew (note the word "new") complete with recent photos and video clips (poor quality). Its address is stated to be 89/3-5 Arun Amarin Road, Bangkok Noi, Bangkok, Thailand, Bangkok.

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Your intentions were good but I was just wondering what the impact on the fellow would be in terms of his views about you if a local clinician were to later reflect that the drug and dosage of his initiation was incorrect. In actuality, he might be more inclined to seek PrEP at this point and that is not a bad thing. He might not know enough to realize the medication disconnect if and when Truvada is dispensed. Anyway, as you indicate, now you know. It’s certainly not egregious to sub one for the other in a pinch according to the idea that having some prophylaxis is better than none. However, the prospects for eventual on-demand Descovy appear slim. There is no registered trial assessing its non-inferiority to event-driven Truvada. There is minimal interest in additional innovative on-demand regimens and the strategy of trading off specific drug toxicities in reduced uptake may be less paramount. One proposed study has not achieved lift-off. Even if it gets off the ground the endpoint is about 2028. It is no longer feasible ethically to have placebo-control arms, so how to approximate a gold standard method is more complex. Although the Descovy comparator is Truvada, the control group idea is substituted with background HIV incidence in non-recruited MSM. That itself reduces the analytical rigour. Moreover, the methodology described is the usual Truvada 2-1-1 but Descovy 1-1 (reduced lead-in dose loading as well as absent the final post-intercourse ‘for good measure’ dose), counterintuitive relative to the logical assumption of equal number of tablets one would expect in study arms. Demonstrating daily Descovy for vaginal intercourse PrEP efficacy is probably of greater importance.

Yes I think the old Sake (Damnoen) closed decade ago. Someone is using the facebook through. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sake-Pub-สาเก-ผับ/341416052585697

I wanted to acknowledge the accuracy of the first paragraph that while both Truvada and Descovy, are approved for PrEP generally, only Truvada is approved for on-demand/2-1-1, and I did not know that. That being said, my PrEP prescriber said it was not approved "yet" and he did not see any reason why this very similar medication would not be eventually approved; he said that if someone was going to have sex and did not have Truvada it would not be an inappropriate choice. (Grated the GP and my situation was not exactly that: the doctor's example was that someone was going to have sex regardless; ours was that he would provided that he had PrEP) As to the third paragraph, I'm not really sure of the harm of such a revelation. To him: is there any doubt that patients regularly reveal taking drugs that are not only not-ANVISA-approval but illegal? To me: dispensing non-ANVISA approved medications without a pharmacy license? 🤣

On Google maps it shows "Permanently Closed"??

The address post in Macaroni Video is https://www.facebook.com/SakePubnew/ is not in the same area (Damnoen). Video is 4 years old. But the old Sake (closed - in my knowledge .. many years ago) has a active Facebook page as well.

Omy.. This place still open and going ?!!! I was going there 25 years ago.. Music very loud, no farang orientated, some raw looking guys, I live in Wisutcasa for over 8 years.

did you just call me fat 😲😆

May I ask where you found your masseurs? And do you know anything about the massage spas in Da Nang?

No thanks. Even if I hadn't tipped him, it would have only taken seconds to provide a yes/no answer. Not to answer a question someone has, in effect, paid you in advance to answer is, at least in my mind, rather rude. I unsubscribed and won't be attempting any other contact.

Although primarily aimed at Thais, it's made the noteworthy effort to post an English language page, too. 😍 https://en-gb.facebook.com/SakePubnew/