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  1. 17 points
    JackR

    Bars Report 2019

    Hi All I'm just home from two weeks in Thailand I've been an avid reader of these forums since I started travelling to Thailand over 5 years ago, and it has been of enormous help to me! So I thought it was time to finally give something back. This is not a "full trip report" - no discussions of daily itineraries or offs - I've just written some general notes on the bars I visited on this recent trip. These comments / observations are based around my own experiences and preferences, and I'm sure there will be some disagreements and maybe some reiteration with other threads, but nonetheless, let me know your thoughts. Jupiter - I made three visits here. For me, probably the best selection of guys in BKK. If you like young guys, with boy-next-door / model looks and athletic bodies, then there is lots of choice here. One of the guys who takes part in the main solo and group dance numbers was particularly hot - I don't know if his name is Arm or Aek? (I'm going by the Jupiter thread.) What I also liked about this club when I first visited it last year was that the mamsans were not pushy. Neung was so nice and very helpful to me on that visit. However, this year he was on holiday to Pattaya, and I struggled to get the attention of any of the other mamasans at all. They all seemed to be glued to particular customers (big tippers?). Even when I asked one of them about pricing, he just told me how much it was and then walked away - didn't seem interested in helping. Nevertheless, I got what I wanted in the end, after some persistence. Another lesson learned here was to ask for the one you want early to avoid disappointment! They get taken quickly. Moonlight - I was so happy to finally visit Moonlight. The club opened just after my last visit in 2018, so for the last year, I've been following it through this forum and the live Facebook videos - so to see the stars was like seeing celebrities! Mr. Babe is beautiful and his dancing made him even more attractive. And I found Mr. Smart to be more handsome than his pics. Maybe it's his neat haircut, but he looks more like an educated, middle-class professional than most of the other boys. He was in a choreographed matador routine with Mr. Lucky which I wasn't a big fan of. Sadly no Nicky! Some of the non-superstar guys available here are also pretty good looking. But it made me wonder - why would you want to work in a bar like this where you are treated as a second-tier model, when you could work somewhere like Jupiter - where all gogos are created equal? Or do you think they hope to graduate to superstar? Mamasans here were very pleasant, and I'm also glad they removed that staircase that used to come down over the audience onto the front of the stage. It blocked the view. X-Boys - I love the crew here. They welcome my friend and I back with hugs and kisses every year - and our wallets! But I find them so charming and hilarious that I don't mind - it's always a good night. The boys here are typically on the twinkish side and I've enjoyed several boys from this establishment - but to be honest, for the last couple of years, I've found the best eyecandy here to be the Viet waiters. Mamsan here told me that they are moving after next month, but she doesn't know where. But as per the other threads on this topic, it seems like all the bars have been saying this for the last year, so it's hard to know if its real or not. As for the Soi itself - I wouldn't have described it as quiet - there seemed to be a steady stream of people at the lower end - but its certainly quieter as the years pass, and sad to see the corrugated iron fencing covering up the closed businesses at the far end. Dreamboys - the first bar I ever visited in Bangkok (as per a recommendation on this forum of course) so I always love coming back here. I find the shows here to be the wackiest of the bars that I regularly visit. I visited only once on this trip, and arrived late, so missed the giant inflatable cock soaking everyone, but was treated to screeching ladyboys plucking some innocents from the audience, stripping them and pretending to fuck them on stage before squirting cream everywhere. I find it so ridiculous it's actually funny. Always a varied selection of guys here - something for everyone. But the stage was not as crowded as it was on previous years. I've been hoping that the handsome coyote dancer who has been there for years will one day be available.... Tawan - the guys in this bar are not specifically my type - more mature, bodybuilder-types - nor am I a fan of masks and leather gear, but something always draws me to come back here. It's almost mesmerising watching them, just for their size! They had an interesting show with an airport security theme - you can imagine. BoyzBoyzBoyz (Pattaya) - I would say I come to Pattaya just for BBB. There is a varied selection of guys here and I've always found something that has piqued my interest - plus, I like taking someone to the short time rooms upstairs while the show is still ongoing. But this year the guys were all fully dressed in street clothes (except for 2 or 3 who were shirtless) - I was suprised how much this reduced the hotness of the selection. In the end I ended up getting nothing at all. BBB also has a fairly skilful show. There was an acrobatic/gymnastic routine at the very beginning, and then the regular breakdancers, who are always very impressive. The compere/owner of this club is also pretty funny, and a young waiter with anime hair is always really friendly to us. At midnight, everyone was ushered over to the new disco bar on the other side of the street. I didn't fully understand the point of this. The same selection of boys just stand on the stage at the second venue and everything continues as normal. Some general observations on the crowds: Not very many farang - mainly Asian customers now (Chinese). I guess that for the gay communities in western europe and north america, cultural/societal and technological changes mean that there is perhaps less of a desire to travel so far for paid sex. (I, on the other hand, don't know why everyone doen't want to come here for these adventures!) Also, a lot more women. This was particularly evident in BBB. On both nights, it was filled with large groups of both Asian and Western women. I find these loud, drunk young girls annoying to be honest. The Asian girls do seem to bring down guys from the stage to talk and party with them, but I don't think they off them. And the white girls just seem to come to gawk and laugh. But at the same time I understand, and reluctanly appreciate that a wider demographic may be required to keep these clubs open. I just hope they don't open their own women-only clubs and steal all the guys. I've probably forgotten a few things, but that's all for now - I hope this has been of some help, particularly to any newbies out there!
  2. 11 points
    Back in Bangkok for 5 nights. Got room in Raya. This time, I arranged to meet my regular Vietnam boy, Y; at the hotel reception. I wanted two card keys so I got him to sign in and the staff made a photocopy of his passport. Off we went to room and did some catching up. He just came back to Bangkok on Friday after an extended Tet celebrations in Vietnam. Y works at Freshboys Twilight. I surprise Y with a Vietnam Football jersey that I bought in Singapore. Vietnam won last year’s ASEAN Suzuki Cup; a bi-annual Football competition for the 10 ASEAN countries. Y is a big Football fan who watches Football and plays Football games on his handphone. He wears the Vietnam jersey and is pleased. I got the right size for him. He takes it off and looks at the label inside. Made in Thailand. We laugh at the irony. We chatted some more then proceeded to sex. After that, showered and went down to Happy Beer Garden for dinner. Y asks me if I could buy him a pair of white shoes for work. (The Freshboys gogo boy look is white briefs and white shoes). His current pair is many years old. He shows me a photo of the Adidas shoes he wants on his handphone. I joke with him, “It’s probably made in Thailand.” Nevertheless, I agree and pass him money to buy the shoes while I go to Maxis to catch up with Paulsf. unfortunately, Paul wasn’t at his usual spot. I sent him a message on Line. He wasn’t feeling well and had to stay home to rest. We shall meet tomorrow night. I sit at the best seat at Maxis and had a great view of the boys in white briefs on stage in Freshboys as well as the massage boys next door. Of course, I could see the people coming in and out. An average night at Soi Twilight. Not packed but not dead as well. Z, a Vietnamese waiter from X Boys came over. He remembered me from last year. Happy to see each other. I tell Z that I cannot Long time him tonight as I as with Y. I agree to meet Z tomorrow. Then the X Boys Vietnamese mamasan came over as well having seen me too. “You want P?” P is a Thai boy whom I always see. But he never comes in early. He always comes in late after 10pm for big cock show. Yes, I replied. Thursday night please. So just like that, I have filled up my itinerary for Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday nights. I only have Friday and Saturday nights to meet new boys. i find out the latest news. It is true. Twilight is closing. In April, everything will close. Z says that he will move to one of the gogo bars at Patpong to be waiter / part time boy. I boy watch at Maxis. In fact, I see some promising offs at Freshboys. But I am unlikely to off them because Y works there. Y finally comes back with his shoes. I look at label. Made in Vietnam. We laugh. He is happy and I am happy. As we leave Twilight, Z together with other Vietnamese waiters from the gogo bars come out to chat with Y and check out his shoes. I realise now that Y and Z are good friends. I didn’t realise it because they are from different bars. Y and I go to a music pub at Patpong. The two bands there are really awesome. They play a mix of mainstream pop plus Japanese and Korean tunes. Their regular Japanese customers get up and dance and some even go on stage to sing with the band singers. Y finds the music too loud. I tell him to go back to room and chill and wait for me. I enjoy the music for an hour. At midnight, I drop by supermarket at foodland Patpong for drinks and snacks then go back to hotel room to be with Y for the night.
  3. 9 points
    CurtisD

    BKK newbie

    BenG1000, you have some pretty good advice already. I very much agree with DivineMadman. Even after visiting Bangkok for a couple of decades, as I only visit once or max twice a year, each time feels new and those butterflies of anticipation never go away. It’s Great! For accommodation my go-to is Le Meridian. If it is within your budget, go for it. Great location, pool, and very companion friendly. They also have a great spa. Nothing like a good Thai massage (you wear a type of pajama, no oil, no ‘extras’, a short lady walks all over you and bends you pretzel shaped) to get the kinks out after a long flight. I have never experienced a guy expecting a larger tip because of the hotel. Like us, the guys like nice things, so I think a nice hotel (especially one that does good Thai food) is a pleasant bonus for them. If you have time, look beyond the gay scene. Bangkok is World Class. Try a couple of Skybars, for example Vertigo at the Banyan Tree or SkyBar at Lebua State Tower. Thai food is excellent. Within walking distance of Le Meridian there are Ruen Urai, Mango Tree, Baan Suriyasai and Papaya. For cocktails you can’t go past Vespers in Soi Convent. For presents for friends and family, try the Royal Thai handicraft center (in a mall somewhere, the concierge will know), Jim Thompson Outlet in the suburbs a couple of blocks from Bang Chak skytrain station or Chatuchak weekend market (if you don’t mind leaving soaked in sweat). The bars continually change, so just go with the flow until you find a guy that clicks. My suggestion for a first evening is: · * Relax with a Thai massage. · * Have a light Thai meal at Ruen Urai. Good food in a relaxed garden setting. · * Go to Vespers for a pre-club cocktail. The walk will get you a little into the beat of Bangkok. Cocktails are excellent. Bar staff are attractive and friendly (professional mixologists, so no this is not a go-go bar) and talking with them will move you into the zone for talking to the ‘bar guys’. · * Don’t head straight to a bar, take a seat in Maxis and people watch for a while. Get a feel for the pulse of the scene. · * Then hit the bars. · * I would start with Dream Boys to level-set. A range of types, helpful non-pushy mamasans, generally a good standard. · * Then, in a hunt for twinks, in no particular order as things change: Fresh Boys (both locations), G-Boys and Classic Boys. · * Opinions vary on Mamasans. I usually work with them as they know the guys, they can interpret and if you find one annoying the blocking hand signal is usually enough. · * Be sure to discuss what you want up-front before you take a guy off. Aligning expectations goes a long way to a happy experience. This may particularly be the case looking for a twink top. However, in my experience, many twinks are versatile and many are tops (to my regret). I do not think you will have a problem. · * As a visitor, particularly not a frequent one, do not get too hung up on prices. You only have so many nights and your airfare and hotel are sunk costs. If you like a guy, better to get him than quibble over what is in effect pocket change compared to your sunk costs. If If you want to take a guy for company to a Skybar or just generally, they will be happy to go with you, but probably better to do it the second time you meet so that you have a connection and the guy can actually be company.
  4. 8 points
    jason1975

    Thai Election Day

    An amusing anecdote to share. I went for massage and came back walking along Patpong an hour ago (4pm). Two more hours before all alcohol sales is prohibited. I was looking for a pub or bar just to get a beer. Zilch. All bars closed. Then as I reached Surawong Road, heaven! One small pub open. Two farang were drinking. Three Thai aunties in their 40s were working. “One Heineken please”. One of them got one for me then she pointed to herself and asked ,”Buy me a drink?” I nodded. After that, the other two Thai aunties asked me as well! I said yes. And lo and behold, another Thai auntie appeared from the bar toilet! “Buy me one drink too?” ”ok but only 4. No more!” I replied. I felt like Macbeth encountering the witches. But they were so friendly and funny. Two of them came out and gave me back and hand massages and we chatted - the usual “how long you in Thailand? Where you stay?” It was an enjoyable half hour encounter on a hot afternoon. Bar tab was 750 baht for my Heineken and 4 drinks for them. how is this related to us? This particular bar is directly facing the new Dreamboys bar! Will this be the new Maxis? The four Thai aunties have not realised it yet but they have just hit jackpot come April!
  5. 8 points
    After we left Moonlight we decided to go to Screwboys since they open late night. We entered the bar, initially shocked by cigarette smoking ambience and on second look, the place was packed with 30+boys all shapes and sizes, very very thin almost starving looking boys included.I couldn’t see the back of the bar clearly but the bar seemed full of customers. I found ex Jupiter boy smiling at me, he moved to Moonlight last November but now he is at Screwboys. We sat at near stage as the good seats were already filled with customers. All boys were wearing white and blue striped underwear and the place looked like an old fashioned sleazy gogo bar from old times. The difference of boys attitude was striking, boys looking at you smiling, obviously eager for an off, my friend commented it’s a quite refreshing as he got so used to Jupiter/Moonlight boys. Unfortunately, mamasans, customers and boys are all smoking cigarettes like there’s no tomorrow adding the place is very compact and stuffy, I decided I could not stay any longer since I wasn’t wearing gas mask. Mamasan said the show starts 1:00 am. The drink was 300 baht.
  6. 8 points
    DivineMadman

    Pre paid credit card

    I have not. It's certainly a wonderful thought. I don't want to sound pessimistic, I applaud your generous spirit. Just some random disassociated thoughts: -To be clear, we're not talking about a credit card, just a debit card that's visa/mastercard. Right? I can't even fathom how you would arrange to get him a true credit card issued over here. - I don't know where you would actually get your guy a free-standing no-bank-account cash pre-paid debit card over here in BKK. I don't think it's as common as say in the U.S. With luck others can help tell you where you could get a good one. I also recall that in the U.S. a lot of those sorts of cards came under heavy criticism from the consumer advocates b/c of high hidden fees. - Local banks offer debit cards for account holders at reasonable fees (k-bank is 100 for the card and 200 annual fee). If your guy doesn't have a bank account, encouraging him to set up and seed a bank account is a better first step. Thai guys and in my experience Laos and VN guys already have accounts, Cambodia & Myanmar more of a case-by-case basis. Their own network of friends would be the source for where to get an account. (I.e., I wouldn't walk in with your guy to the Bangkok Bank head office, not that you were thinking of doing that.). - if you're worried about a customer taking him someplace and him getting stranded, not sure a 10K card which he may or may not spend down beforehand is the answer. Much better to tell him that he should make sure that if it's a country any distance away he buys the r/t ticket himself. - As far as visiting other countries on his own or with friends, I think far better to trust your guy and his friends to know what they're doing. I know lots of guys who stopped school at 13-14 and travel to China, Singapore, Malaysia, Dubai, etc., (wherever there's money and men) all without cards. I'm impressed by these guys. Once they get the hang of travel they are feerless. Maybe we're all being a little paternalistic. Or as my woke niece never tires of telling me, "check your privilege". - Throughout SE Asia it is very easy to get by without a debit card or credit card. Buying tickets, paying bills, etc., can easily be done. And as Thailand moves towards a more cashless society, that move is not being made as a move towards plastic cards, but rather phone-based payment systems, kiosks, and Family Mart/7-11. Promptpay TrueMoney Line Pay and more I am sure. - If you're really concerned about the emergency situation, maybe a nice hand printed "If you are ever in a true emergency call me and I will send you up to 10K baht by western union" would do? - Giving a guy 10K but saying "only use for emergencies" might be too much to expect, and your emergencies might not be his emergencies. He might think his brother's upcoming school fees are an emergency, but you really meant something else. - If you got a savings bond from your grandparents, were you really happy? When you really wanted money for a new bike? If he's in his late 20s maybe the respectful thing is give the money and say I hope you use this for emergency savings. I recently had a heart-to-heart with a young cambodian friend about his medium-term goal for when he goes back home, and we talked about whether he can set money aside now, and he said he couldn't and didn't want to and right now he wanted to make his life better for his mom who did so much for his family, got up at 4:00 every morning etc., etc. I love that about these guys and it drives me crazy at the same time. But it is their heart and soul. - I believe the regional traditional way to save money for emergencies is gold. Maybe if you went with him and bought a nice gold chain he might hesitate to sell it as quickly as tap into cash. Just beware if he starts steering you towards the gold wedding bands.... So good for you. Lucky for him. And where were you when I was looking for a boyfriend?
  7. 7 points
    After Baan Tewa, I walked back to hotel. The moment I got back into my hotel room, I received separate Line messages from Y and Z asking if I would like to meet tonight. Yes, of course! I told them drinks in my room and even asked if they wanted to be together. Y said he preferred seeing me alone so I said ok. I ended up seeing Y from 8.30pm to 10pm then I saw Z from 10pm to midnight. The timings suited everyone. Z had just come back from overnight visa run and he didn’t sleep much on the minibus so he slept back at his room until time to meet me. We just lounged in the hotel room, chatting, listening to Vietnamese songs on my Ipad and Bluetooth speaker and drinking (I still had that bottle of Johnnie Walker from previous night at Jupiter and of course I bought some beer from Family Mart before 6pm). Quite interesting to get to know both of them better. There was news of a road accident on Saturday morning where 10 people going on visa run were killed - 5 Laos and 5 Vietnamese. No mention in the news of their occupations. Both Y and Z were sad. They have long term plans. Once they have earned and saved up enough money, they will return permanently to Vietnam. I consider it my pleasure to have known them, especially for Y whom I have known for 3 years now. I hope to see them again sooner rather than later but due to my busy work schedule, it looks like I must wait till December.
  8. 7 points
    Day 3 For some reason, I woke up early at 7.30am even though Z and I only slept at 3am. I woke Z up and asked him if we could have breakfast together. He said yes. We showered together then went for breakfast. Z loves eggs. He had 4 eggs over 2 rounds at the buffet. I noticed his Iphone with its cracked screen. Z said it dropped out of his pocket when he was cleaning his bar. He showed me the side of his Iphone. “Ban”. I was perplexed. He brought his Iphone closer to my eyes and I realised what he meant. Bent! i asked him if he could get it repaired at nearby Silom Square. “MBK,” he said. Ok. Half an hour later, we were in a taxi to MBK. 4th level is where gadgets are sold. Z took me to a shop, where he had repaired his previous phone’s battery. “2700 baht,” the lady said. “Let’s shop around,” I suggested. A few minutes later, we found a shop that could do it for 1500 baht plus 250 baht for screen protector. We went to foodcourt for drinks and waited half an hour before going back for the Iphone. Z’s face lighted up when he saw it repaired. I then suggested buying a proper case to protect the Iphone. We went to another shop, got a sturdy looking case. Z bargained the 300 baht price to 280 baht. Total cost was less than the 2700 baht first quoted. We left MBK happy both him and me. Spent the rest of the day in bed with Z in hotel room. At 5pm, Z got up to get ready for work. Waiters have to report at 6pm to clean the bar thoroughly before opening at 8 plus. I said goodbye to Z and gave him his long time tip.
  9. 7 points
    Day 2 I woke up at 9. Y was still asleep. I ask him if he would like to have breakfast with me. He said he preferred to continue sleeping so I went down to the hotel breakfast. After breakfast, I went back to room, slipped back into bed with Y and started fondling him. He got the hint. I didn’t want to cum as I wanted to go for massage so i made Y cum instead. He showered then I gave him his tip and he went off to join his friends at the gym. He has a group of friends who gym every afternoon. i lounged around in room until 1pm then made my way to AEC massage Sathorn, a new place recommended by DivineMadman. After massage, it was late lunch and a bit of shopping for souvenirs at Silom Square and happy hour beer at the sports pub along Surawong Road. The workers were setting up Patpong Night market just next door. Weather was bearable even though it was 33 degrees because of a strong breeze. I headed back to hotel, watched some Netflix until 8pm then went for dinner and off to Maxis. Paulsf was already there and I joined him in an hour of delightful conversation. Vietnam boys came to greet him as usual. I was flabbergasted when Paulsf told me about Sunday’s election which meant no alcohol from 6pm Saturday which meant all bars are closed. Oh no! What will I do on Saturday? Paulsf suggested that I make arrangement to book a boy in advance. Excellent piece of advice! From our view at Maxis, we could see a particular boy at Freshboys peeking behind the curtain of the door. He was in his white briefs and covering himself with curtain. Cute twinky looking lad. I was tempted to go into Freshboys just to buy him a drink and chat with him. Besides him, there are many other boys who have piqued my curiosity. But Y works at Freshboys and I have this rule not to off other boys working in same bar as my regular boys. Paulsf replied it doesn’t really matter and the boys don’t really mind because they are basically working just for the money. I decided I would check out Freshboys tomorrow. Paulsf said he would go tonight and find out more about curtain boy. Crowd at Twilight seemed busy. By 10pm, both Freshboys and X-Boys started their shows. Paulsf and I talked about how XBoys used to be popular compared to Freshboys (now it was the reverse) but declined due to poor management. We found out that XBoys would close next week and we speculated that it would be the end as there wasn’t any indication that they were looking for new premises. The barkers along the Soi seemed less aggressive. Even the famous Hot Male barker let people through without much resistance. The end is near indeed and guys seemed to be just turning up for work and enjoying the final moments. Z, the Vietnamese waiter whom I had prebooked waited patiently for me while I chatted with Paulsf. In fact, I found out from him that I had mispelled his name, having heard it wrongly when he said it to me last year. His name starts with T instead of Z. Anyway, for continuity purposes, I shall continue calling him Z. I asked Z what he would like to do. I suggested Fake Club and DJ Station but he said he didn’t like the crowds and loud music. So we ended up paying pool at Patpong with some girls. Z enjoyed himself. On our way to Patpong, we passed by Freshboys Patpong. Z greeted the barkers standing outside. He would be working there as a waiter from April onwards. He managed to secure a job through a Friend. Happy for him. Quite a number of waiters, gogo boys and mamasans at Twilight are still waiting. “Wait and see” is their common response. After pool, Z and I stopped by convenience store for supplies for the night. He would be staying until 5pm the next day when he would have to report for work at his bar.
  10. 7 points
    I think it's great to have and cherish all the good memories, as long as that doesn't keep us from enjoying how things are now. I expect we'll be hearing about new places being opened by familiar names/faces from soi twilight, so by all means stay tuned. Certainly over the past six months Soi Twilight has been busy some times and has been slow some times. It's unfortunate that some people have stopped by when it seemed lifeless. Time it right and you can still have to run the gauntlet of young guys from Banana and Hot Male bars and the barkers from the gogo bars - at least for a a few more weeks. Last month -- or possibly January -- there was a very busy period and the manager of one Soi Twilight establishment told me that they had two of their best nights ever. Soi Twilight is a state of mind.
  11. 7 points
    reader

    AEC Massage Sathorn

    Visited this shop a few days ago and found that it matched DM’s description in all respects. There were three guy-next-door types sitting on a bench when I arrived about 5. All smiled and one stood to greet me and led me down sub-soi to shop. Chose one hour oil (450) and taken to room on first floor with table. It was clean as was the shower down the hall which had ample soap and hw. All facilities appear to be on first floor. Soft mood music in background. My guy (mid-20’s from Isan) had a little English and asked usual questions. His technique was smooth with moderate pressure. He respected my request for nit noy oil. When I began to notice his growing interest in the proceedings, we reversed roles and I became the masseur. (Vinapu, I believe, is one of the few other members who fully appreciates this maneuver). I offered 1200 and it was gladly accepted. When I left about 6, there were 2 new faces on the bench, either of whom would give me cause to return. This is a neighborhood shop located in an accessible (to Silom) area were westerners are not uncommon. I spotted a handful of other massage shops on both sides of street (including a branch of Art Massage so we’ll represented on Surawong). A tip of the cap to DM for taking the effort to bring this to our arrention.
  12. 6 points
    DrimVoiz

    Dreamboy Paradiso

    Dream Boy and Boys Bangkok will be relocated to Patpong 2 and will now be called Dreamboy Paradiso which will open on April 1, 2019, here's the pics of the new bar, location map and Available drinks soon...according to their FB page they will have a new show, new style and new prices for the drinks.
  13. 6 points
    witty

    Soi Twilight closing....what?

    Workers are busy above Banana bar in Silom soi 4 getting ready for the shift to new premises. If more bars move to this location, the place will be vibrant. There are still vacant shop houses at the end of the cul de sac just beyond Jupiter. It will only be a matter of whose pocket is the deepest and penetrate furthest, and stay longest.
  14. 6 points
    Day 4 woke up, had breakfast and off to Siam Paragon for movie (Captain Marvel) followed by shopping for friends back home. At about 3pm; went to Ganymeade for massage. The Viet guy who serviced me twice in December no longer worked there. I didn’t have any preference so I just chose the first guy who came out to greet me. Lucky for me because he turned out to be gay! His massage strokes were pretty good and he gave me a great blowjob without hesitation. We did a 69 and it was my best cum in a while. He speaks English well and is Cambodian. Name is Ken and I am writing it here because he asked me “if you like, please recommend me to your friends”. after massage, it was back to hotel for some aircon respite from the 38 degrees weather. How I wish Raya Hotel has a pool! at 8pm, I walked down to Twilight. Hot male tout saw me and took my hand upstairs to Hot Male. I discovered later from Paulsf that DivineMadman was at Maxis at 8pm. So sorry I didn’t get to meet and talk to you. Was busy at Hot Male! When I went inside Hot male, I remembered the old days when every bar had dancers to welcome customers. Hot Male had 5 coyote dancers (in white briefs) dancing energetically while the other boys (in blue briefs) were on rotation. I was the only customer but I wasn’t bothered at all. I was so Glad to see dancing boys once again. The guys at Hot Male are just slightly more muscular than those at Freshboys. I saw a twinkish boy who was my type and asked him over. Thai boy. 22 years old. Name starts with W. “Short time, 2000 baht ok?” I asked. He said ok and I asked him to get dressed while I continued enjoying the dancing boys. When W came back, I tipped all 5 coyote dancers 100 baht each. I hope to see them again when they move to new location at Patpong. Back at hotel, W proved to be even cuter undressed. He’s shy as he has only been working since last year and his English is hesitant but I thoroughly enjoyed my session with him. I would have loved to sleep overnight in bed with him but I had prior arrangements for the night. After our session, W and I went down. W went to Family Mart while I turned into Twilight. Hot male tout saw me and asked “happy with boy?” I smiled broadly and hugged him then went to Maxis. Most of the tables were taken including the best seats. But it didn’t matter because Freshboys closed their curtain. Paulsf had only just arrived because he had been trapped in terrible traffic jam. We chatted about our plans for Saturday when all bars would be closed. I was feeling a bit sad as it would be my last time in Twilight. I will miss the people watching. Z comes out from X-Boys and asked me if I would like to be with him on Saturday night. He’s going on a visa run at midnight and would be back at noon on Saturday. I told him to Line me when he’s back and we shall see. P also comes out from X-Boys. He says no customer at X-Boys so unlikely to have show for him to perform. He asks if we can go to Jupiter now. It was 10:30pm. Yeah sure. I said my goodbye to Paulsf. I don’t know where I will see him again end of the year with Twilight and Maxis being gone but for sure we will meet again. P and I walked past Thaniya to Jupiter. 500 baht entry so I paid 1k for both P and me. Show had already started. Place was packed. Since I knew we were staying until 2am, I ordered a bottle of Johnnie Walker. 3500 baht. Definitely overpriced but ultimately worth it because the mamasans left us alone and the waiters provided good service by topping up our glasses. After the show ended, the Jupiter boys came up. One boy had a 1000 baht garland placed on him by a Chinese lady customer. Applause from audience. P was taking in the whole experience. He was going to apply to join Jupiter and work after X-Boys closes next week. We go outside for smoke break. P speaks to owner and mamasan. Seems like he got the job due to his handsome face. But mamasan said he must work out to get body in shape. P smiles sheepishly. A Jupiter waiter goes up to introduce himself to P and shakes hand. P and I go back in to watch the second show. After second show ends at midnight, Poppy and backup singers come on stage for singing and karaoke night. PJ didn’t come as he’s away in Chiangmai. Wide repertoire of songs from Poppy - English pop hits, Chinese classics, some Thai oldies and even a Japanese song. I saw the regular Jupiter ladies getting up from their seats (surrounded by their Jupiter boys) to go on stage to sing. I tell P that next time they will be his favourite customers and not me. “No, no, I always like you. You good customer. Thank you bring me to Jupiter tonight,” he says. Such a sweet reply. I give him a kiss. P and I couldn’t finish our bottle of Johnnie Walker and I can’t keep it at Jupiter because bars are closed on Saturday so I decided to take it back to Singapore when I fly back on Sunday. As we left Jupiter at 2am, I tipped the waiters who had refilled our drinks the whole night. Two of them are really cute. P walked me back to entrance of Raya, even holding my hand as we crossed Surawong Road. He thanks and hugs me. “See you next time in Jupiter,” I said and that was the end of one of my most memorable nights in Bangkok.
  15. 6 points
    X-Boys was the total opposite of Freshboys. While Freshboys has 30 boys on rotation and many customers, X-Boys only had about 10 boys and 1 other customer beside me when I went in. I sat down and ordered a drink. Z tells me that P is getting changed. The boys at X-Boys are not as polished as those in Freshboys but there were two boys whom I would off. P finally appears and we get ready to leave. Lo and behold, a Japanese group of 10 businessmen came in. The X-Boys touts had done a superb job of snagging them. The Japs were definitely all straight and had gone there out of curiosity just to watch the show. Highly unlikely they would invite any boy from the stage, buy boy drinks, give tips and pay off fees. The bar won’t mind. They earned 350 baht from each of their drinks. i brought P back to hotel room and we spent the next two hours together. Somehow, I have never done long time with P. It had always been short time with lots of conversations. I found out a lot about Thailand from P. This trip, he introduced me to his favourite Thai singer, Pu Pongsit, a rocker who sings and plays guitar. P and I watched his music videos while we drank and smoked in the room. Pu Pongsit seems to be the Thai equivalent of Bruce Springsteen. P tells that whenever Pu Pongsit has a concert in Bangkok, he and some of his friends would skip work just to go to the concert. P is a very carefree person. When I first met him 3 years ago, he was in great shape. He had pecs to match his handsome face. But over the years, he drank too much (“customer always bring me go drinking”) and lost his abs. But what attracted me to him then was his handsome face and boyish personality. I asked P why he didn’t leave X-Boys and go work at Freshboys (which pays the boys more than X-Boys for customer drinks and show appearances). He said he wanted to stay with X-Boys until the very end. And anyway it’s just one more week. I love his sense of loyalty but of course another reason why P didn’t leave is that he’s Thai and can still get by despite few customers while many of the other foreign boys had to jump ship to earn money. Having found out about P’s appreciation for music, I decided to go out with P again on Friday night. I would let him do his shower and big cock show first then pay his off fee and we will go to Jupiter for the singers at midnight. P was happy and he left my room with short time tip at about 1am.
  16. 6 points
    reader

    Info on a bunch of BKK Massage Shops

    I've posted reports on individual massage experiences during recent trip in other threads but am posting a capsule account here as this is the go-to place for Bangkok massages info. Total massages: 12 In-call: 5 (1 guy x 3 and 2 others both known from previous trips) and all were fine. Nakarat: 4 total (1 x 2 and 2 others). All good. I recommend this place. Decent selection afternoons but more arrive after work. AEN: 1 visit and fine. Recommended. Think it is probably better to go after 5 when availability is better. Indra on Soi Tarntawan: 1 visit and fine. Be sure to get room with en-suite shower shower. Many VN guys with good selection most hours. Art Massage on Soi Tarntawan: 1 visit and fine. Good selection most hours.
  17. 6 points
    Jasper

    Latest Soi Twilight Rumor (Nov 2018)

    The new Dreamboy called “ DREAMBOY PARADISO “ in Patpong 2. As you can see the premises is very small so some staff would be reduced. Many boys,staff are worried what they are going to do next, move to the other bar like Jupiter or stay. The good new is the place is only a few steps away from Screwboys. No need to cross the Suriwongse road to risk your life.
  18. 6 points
    z909

    Hotel Reviews Bangkok

    Prices are approximate, due to variation in charges Baan Silom Soi 3 (1250 ~1500 baht) Remains my preferred hotel, with spacious clean & comfortable rooms at a very reasonable price if booked some time in advance. Good size room safe & guests OK. I stayed there for the first 4 nights of my holiday again. However, as my long holiday also included several 1 night stays in Bangkok, I tried some other hotels, so that I have some "backup" hotel options. In some cases, I was booking at short notice & choice was restricted. The Nantra Silom (Approx 1100 baht) Overall, this is a terrible option. Despite great location, nice sized rooms and white décorl. It is not cleaned properly, has grubby sheets, grubby showers and the plumbing is in need of some serious maintenance. The shower valve needed special technique to switch it on and off. The toilet run continuously unless switched off at the wall. I shall not stay here again whilst under current management. Fixing all of the above issues should add no more than about 50 baht to the room rate. Adequate room safe & guests OK. But AVOID it. V-Place Silom (1000~1400 baht) This is located close to Sala Daeng BTS, upstairs from the KFC. A short walk to the public transport for a 1 night stay. Large room, but windowless, which I generally avoid,but of course it means you have no noticeable road noise. However, door to the room is flimsy and doesn’t attenuate noise from the corridor, so I was woken by other guests returning at 3:00 am. Also, the aircon temp is fixed at something near 20C, which is too damn cold when I have been getting used to 26C. Adequate room safe & guests OK. D Varee Express Pula Silom (approx. 1250 baht) Also close to the BTS, located on the same soi as G Bangkok gay night club. My room had no noise from the club or the road, but was on the 5th floor, which must help. The room was compact, but quite sufficient for my needs. Nice fresh modern décor & comfortable bed. There was a long desk, with a moulded chair which was actually comfortable enough to sit in. This did not have opening windows, but some of those glass bricks. The only apparent method of ventilation appeared to be the extractor fan in the bathroom, but my room was certainly fresh upon arrival. Aircon OK & controllable. Adequate room safe. I didn’t test the guest policy as I went for a naughty massage instead. However, the place was clearly popular with other gay couples & I would be very surprised if guests were a problem. I like this hotel. Unfortunately, it can take quite some time to find out which places have room safes and so on, with booking sites. Therefore, I'm thinking we could collaborate and compile hotel options in a table, something like the following example, which contains the information I first need to look at. Any thoughts on format ? Any volunteers to add something ? I suppose I need to figure out where to put a shared excel file. Note distances are by google maps, walking. I have only stayed in the first 4 hotels on the table.
  19. 6 points
    hank75

    MOONLIGHT

    Your daily dose of muscle worship Full video available on his public physical training page, FB ID: Atomic.fit
  20. 6 points
    ggobkk

    BKK newbie

    Adding a bit to Divine Madman's excellent answer about boys talking about their experiences/clients etc...some time ago, I had my frequent off Van staying with me at the Raya. I went out on my own one night, at Screwboys I off'd a guy and we used the hotel overhead. When we were finished and showering, the off said he knew me, since he was from Screwboys, I assumed he knew of me from one of his co-workers. Two days later, I was at the Raya, when Van returned and told me he had brought me a gift. Turns out it was my Screwboys off. He knew of me from Van because they shared a room... So yes, they do talk about us...but as DivineMadman puts it "regular" customers get talked about
  21. 5 points
    Day 5 woke up, had breakfast then back to hotel room to rest. weather outside is hot. In afternoon, went to Baan Tewa for massage with regular guy. Same excellent service. Showered together after massage. When I came down to reception, there were 2 young Chinese customers. Both of them were there for first time. The main guy was asking questions in English, “Pay now or pay after massage? Minimum tip give now or give to boy?” Then the massage boys lined up (6 of them including my guy who just finished with me). China guy told his friend in Chinese, “Point to who you like”. They chose two boys - not my regular guy though. After I finished wearing my shoes, I cut across and passed him my customary 2,000 baht tip but folded. Thinking back, I should have given my tip openly just to see the reactions of the Chinese customers. Anyway, I am happy for Baan Tewa that they have Chinese customers. It means that they have been receiving good word of mouth in the Chinese forums. More business for them and their boys. Baan Tewa is my favourite niche massage shop and it’s thanks to Divine Madman’s recommendation years ago.
  22. 5 points
    Jasper

    MOONLIGHT

    Moonlight review - a Tuesday March 2019 My friend is a little curious about Babe and suggested we should go to Moonlight and chat with him. He wanted to know what is his personally like. So we met at Starbucks at Montien Mall gossiped about boys a bit and we crossed Suriwongse road and marched to Moonlight around 10:20. I think entrance fee was 450 baht. Inside the bar, we sat on front back stalls. There were about 15 boys on stage including Sky but couldn’t see any twinks like #24 I saw in January. The crowd was a healthy 25-30 for a Tuesday night throughout the evening , I thought, the bar is definitely getting famous/popular than previous visit in January. The models in display was Babe, Tam, York, Tae, Smarch, Mark and 2 others. Babe was already sitting with a large Asian older gentleman, looking very friendly. My friend was a little disappointed that Babe seems already taken, in fact they went out the bar together around 12:00. None of other models were with customers as far as I could see. I was impressed by the twinks show especially #24 on previous visit but there wasn’t any shows by twinks that night. Very disappointed. It isn’t I like twinks but I like boys who can dance a bit in gogo bars. I think Babe & Tam did 3 shows, towel show, dance routine wearing waistcoat, and sons of Zeus kind of wearing gold crown ? Shower show was done by two floor guys with full erect c**k. There were no models walking around in customer seat or no big cock show boys walking between customers. The shows in general was disappointing compared to the previous visits. We both looked around audiences and agreed Moonlight customers are much older than Jupiter’s and according to my friend who speaks Thai fluently, the percentage of Thai customers are much higher than in Jupiter as he could hear customer chatting in Thai. We thought that Moonlight customers are meaning business, haha, here for offing floor boys rather than Jupiter’s party atmosphere, show watching Chinese younger crowd. Although compared to my previous visit where you could see 3-4 models were called only Babe was with a customer this time. In fact we found the percentage of offing floor boys are much higher than Jupiter’s off rate. At the 12:00 there were hardly any boys left. Oh and another thing, my friend found Babe in toilet alone, posing and smiling in front of mirror, my friend thought it’s bit creepy. LOL
  23. 5 points
    vinapu

    Off fee and short long pricing

    1500-2000 short time , 3000 long time is your standard.And this is for quality guys, of the mill ones may be much less demanding Everything above is acceptable if you really want to test that guy. I my opinion it's better overpay and satiate curiosity than live with guilt of missed opportunity. Nothing wrong if you stick to your pricing levels though and refuse to swim with boys demands. Sometimes they are greedy , sometimes they just fishing for naive and sometimes they know their market price and demand it. Nothing wrong with you acting the same , sometimes cheap, sometimes fishing how low guy go and sometimes stick to what you can afford. Don't hold against guy if he wants too much and feel free to try again next evening. Even most popular guys need money and may experience drought periods. If they like you they may be more amendable. Be prepared that so called stars may be a bit disappointing at close , both looks and service wise so pack your brain along with condoms and lubricant and chill yourself with beer before starting hunting action. Don't let money pinching to spoil your vacation fun but if you have a feeling that you were taken for a ride by bar boys switch to massage guys instead , at least you will get some muscle relaxation and 1-1.5 hr to ponder your next move
  24. 5 points
    I think there's a place called Moonlight, but no one ever seems to discuss it here. Still that could be on your list. If x-boys was where the mamasan dragged your guy away from the other customers, then I win 20 baht because that was my guess. But X-Boys has been on the skids lately anyway. Freshboys Soi Twilight has been very popular lately. I guess the rumors are that it will relocate to Soi 4. So probably keep an eye out for that in May. (I had heard the boss from Freshboys was doing something on Soi 4 but it wasn't that it was going to be the exact same as current Freshboys, but maybe the rumors are about two different places.) G Boyz on Wall St. Successor to X-Size and about as popular as X-Size was. There's Freshboys 2 and Screwboysin Patpong. I haven't ventured down to Classic Boys so don't know what's going on down that end of the soi. And of course as you know Jupiter for the millionaire club and Tawan for those guys. I haven't heard about Hot Male. Same owner as Moonlight of course. Combine staff? Perhaps the Moonlight insiders know. As far as gogo bars are concerned, compared with l-2 years ago, we're: -1 X-Size, +1 G Boyz, +1 Freshboys 2 (net +1). If in the next couple months we're: -1 X-Boys, -1 Hotmale (?) -1 Freshboys (Twilight), +1 Freshboys Soi 4, -1 Dreamboys (Twilight), +1 Dreamboys (Patpong) (net -2 for March/April) Net-net we're only down 1 gogo bar, 2 if Classic boys disappears. But we do lose all the beer bars and Dick's and who knows what will happen to Maxi's. But there's so far one new bar (Chill Out) on Patpong. Not the end of the [gay] world.
  25. 5 points
    I take a different approach and say if someone wants to check out a particular shop or particular guy(s) outside central Bangkok, then by all means do if you have the time and the desire. These days the easiest way to do it -- for me at least -- is to have the shop send their location on Line. I then just use that with a click or two to book a Grab Taxi. It avoids my translation errors and I never have to try to explain exactly where I want to go. (I think the workflow actually is, after the usual back-and-forth about booking particular guy(s): (1) shop sends map "location", (2) Line gives me the option to open that location in google maps, then (3) use the google maps option of booking Grab. For some reason once that worked better for me and that's how I've done it ever since. I don't think you can book Grab directly using Line, but I haven't checked that in a long time). If it's in an unusual neighborhood, I also invariably check out the location using street view on google maps - just because I'm that sort of nerd and like to pre-orient myself, even though very often particluar sub sois/alleys are not covered. Getting a Grab home is just as easy (or easier). A more cost effective approach is often to take MRT/BTS to the nearest station and then get a Grab, but booking straight from my condo is so much easier I indulge. "Faces say nothing-no relation with quality of services at all." Truer words never written. Personally, I don't think quality/skills/enthusiasm increase or decrease with distance from Silom, but certainly facility with English decreases outside the main tourist zones. Even in Silom, these days my expectations are a fairly middling massage and who-knows-what-will-happen as far as the special services. More often than not I'm pleasantly surprised by the massage and I enjoy the thrill of discovery as far as the special services are concerned. [Keeping a list of "regulars" who meet massage skill requirements and also rock-my-world, but always leaving time to try some new guys/places, is the best. IMHO]. So definitely if someone drives 45 minutes and thinks that the massage is going to be better as a result of distance, he's likely to be disappointed, but that's because of the his unreasonable expectations. But if some particular cutie grabs your eye, you have the time and the money, why not go - just go with reasonable expectations. Up to you. Crowns Club has been around 2 years, and a lot of the guys who work there seem to be regulars, to the limited extent I've kept track. That's a very good sign. It seems well-managed. I know two people who have been there (one intimately). No reason not to go there as far as I can say. The guys there aren't 100% my taste, but for some there might be a major league hottie there. It does seem that there is a common complaint about "where are the twinks" in Bangkok, so I try to point them out for those who care.
  26. 5 points
    jason1975

    AEC Massage Sathorn

    I went to AEC this afternoon at 1 plus. Didn’t fancy walking there so called a Grab car. Good thing about Grab is their Google map navigation. Driver dropped me at exact spot. I just needed to cross road to other side. A big helpful “this way to AEC” led me to shop. It’s at end of alley of shops. only 3 guys at 1plus when I visited. All 3 are twinky but with moustaches. All Thai. I didn’t have any preference so I chose the dude who opened the door for me. His name is An as pronounced in Hoi An. He spoke good English and we had good conversation. Place is small to be frank. 4 rooms or shall I say cubicles in all - formed by partition walls along a corridor. Barely enough room for masseur to move around the bed as the walls are packed closely. Toilets are end of corridor but must pass through one room with a bed. I imagine it would be awkward if there’s a session taking place in that room and guys have to walk past it to shower. i chose a one hour oil massage. Bed has a cut out for head. Cloth on bed to soak in the oil during the massage. Masseur was clothed throughout including the cap on his head. Very relaxed dude - kind of reminds me of Snoop Dog - but his massage strokes and touches were so sensual! Half the time of massage was spent on back and the other half spent on front. When it was time to turn, masseur places a pillow over the head cut out for me to rest my head. Even though he didn’t strip like in typical men’s massage (Prince, Arena, Ganymede etc) he did allow me to play with his goods. He did pull down his slacks towards the end. Love his strokes and his happy ending. Showered alone. Paid 450 baht for massage. Gave 1,200 baht tip. His smile was wide and happy! So were the knowing looks on the other 2 guys around. I totally agree with DivineMadman about the massage techniques. Different from the norm. Worth trying. Not everything is about bodies and looks. Skill does make a massage more enjoyable!
  27. 5 points
    I gave him two comfortable rides. Both on the same day.
  28. 5 points
    DivineMadman

    Jupiter 2018 is open!

    Am I the only one or is that starting to seem a bit stalker-ish?
  29. 5 points
    CurtisD

    BKK newbie

    DivineMadman’s phrasing “they discuss us the same way as barista’s” hits the nail on the head. Bad experience, the guys will pass it on for sure, a regular they will discuss with their friends (who are not necessarily the guys in the bar), anything else (including very good tip, nice hotel etc) 50/50 if they discuss or not. Over the years I have experienced the whole range [except the bad experience IMHO ]. For example. One regular, once it was clear I was his regular, did not want me going to his bar. I would give him the bar fine for several days which he paid to the mamasan while I sipped a lime juice in Maxis. He was happy to go to other bars with me, just not his bar. Turns out in his mind he was protecting me from the Mamasan to whom I habitually gave a finder’s fee but he thought was just greedy. Another regular I always met at the bar. When I turned up everyone knew who I was there to meet (many smiles, much fussing while they ‘united’ us). After a couple of years he graduated and got a job back home. On my first visit to the bar after my friend had gone home, the guy I offed clearly had no knowledge of the financial arrangement I had had with my friend. On yet another occasion, on my first night I offed a guy at the buff end of my range of attraction, after a clear discussion of what I wanted. As we left the bar, after waiting for him to change, another guy returned from a short time and literally flashed into my field of vision. Instant mutual attraction. However, I had made the deal for the night and there were several nights to come, so after telling Mr Flash ‘tomorrow’ I left with Mr Buff. Who it turned out, contrary to advertising, was really more top than versatile and wonderfully enthusiastic. With the right stimulus (and also less energetic from jetlag) I can broaden my horizons and be versatile and so that is how things went. An enjoyable night for us both. The next night I went back to check out Mr Flash. Mr Buff was there and we greeted each other, but clearly there had been discussion. My eyes were on Mr Flash, Mr Flash was angling for my attention and Mr Buff was happy to let his fiend reel me in. After confirming he would bottom, we went back to the hotel, where he clearly assumed I would bottom. The guys had been talking. However, I was no longer jet lagged. Luckily the Mamasan had been correct and Mr Flash was versatile bottom rather than top. He became my next regular. Like DivineMadman, once I agree to take a guy off, I let him change. It helps him to feel comfortable that he has sealed the deal for the night and, if I stay to see the show (which is rare), it gives him face rather than sitting in the crowd in his underwear. The guys do seem to enjoy seeing the shows at other bars. Partly I think this is market information (they get to compare their employer to others) and in the case of Bangkok Guy, he enjoys watching the buff guys at Jupiter and Moon Bar, possibly more than I do!
  30. 5 points
    Extension of validity varies greatly from one provider to the other. Maximum validity for AIS is 365 days. Registering your number does not help. I did so in 2012 (?) hoping that would keep the number to my name, but the time I came to Thailand for holiday, it was beyond validity and I couldn't get the number back. Between AIS, you can transfer validity or balance for a small fee. @ChristianPFC is using these machines (I never have) and can advise more These machines do indeed come with or without service fee, as high as 5 THB for 100 THB top-op, i.e. you have to insert 105 THB. There is an interesting problem related to expiration of SIM-cards. I have saved someone's number, his validity expires, the number is assigned to a new SIM-card and bought by a new person. The network detects activity, and LINE adds this person. I message him/her, hoping to find a long-lost friend. Usually it's pretty quick to figure out it's not the person I'm looking for, but once I ended up with a Thai woman who insisted she loves me and wanted to marry me, and when I told her that's impossible because I'm gay, she wanted to borrow 20,000 THB.
  31. 5 points
    Good advice all. I've tried to make it clear that the info I put out isn't even intended to be complete or exhaustive, and only occasionally up-to-date. I figure the guys who are inclined to go explore some of the different parts of Bangkok will figure that out on their own. I try to get to places a few times before posting a meaningful write-up. I may have a good time at DM Spa but I'm not getting back there this year, just because I'm busy. Lat Prao is such a traffic nightmare these days I'm just not even thinking about going over there. I get the shakes just thinking about going near Don Muang, which means what looks to be a nice new place like Orchid is going to be left for someone else to report on. I'm not sure some places really even care much about the farang crowd. And it's really about the guys there at that particular day (as Crystal Relax points out now), so how much can you really plan. Personally, there are some guys at Koonpaan (rough transliteration) who I think are really sexy, but I'm not sure they're everybody's type and it's not convenient, so, again, why bother. There are some places that I just ignore for other reasons. One place was discussed on a Thai board and I thought the owner's responses were off-putting, so forget it (as far as I'm concerned). A new place that started being active on Line posted pics of two guys that seemed rather young and put "17-18" as the caption. Delete block and move on. If you have found a good place that you want to give some advertising - post about here. I wanted to get AEC some visibility to support a nice small new business and I took a shine to a couple of the guys. Bantai is still in business. Somedbody have time to go there and update?? Or if you have favorite place that you want keep secret (like Pong), fine. Up to you. gboysiam and if you want to go through the hoops tmmsociety are good sources of info. I've found out about places from other members here (thank you 1moRussian ). I've also found out about places by facebook suggestions and similar random connections.
  32. 4 points
    witty

    Dreamboy Paradiso

    Work is still in progress, although today is election day. The premises appeared rather small, the frontage is about 4 metres wide, and the length probably less than 15 metres. There is an upstairs in the rear half. A lady(ladyboy)? supervisor allowed me access to the interior to take some pics. Expected date of completion sometime in April.
  33. 4 points
    DrimVoiz

    Dreamboy Paradiso

    Of course full report and review coming soon when I visit this new place on my next BKK trip!!! I also invite all of you to share your experience (when it opened) and any info in Dream Boys Paradiso on this thread. Many thanks!!!
  34. 4 points
    I think it just happens to have a disproportionate number of fans who post in this forum. Clearly Balcony/Telephone are far more "popular". The food is perfectly fine and there's usually something for everyone on the menu, a nice staff that manages to be fun and friendly and competent. The scene on the soi is both louche with all the sex trade going on, and for the longer-term visitors, even wholesome, with the kids playing football in the street, watching the "family" meals at Bangkok Massage, etc. -- so for me the people watching is better. Seats a bit more comfortable and with a fraction more space than Balcony/Telephone, IMHO. But overall for me it's the staff. They're non-offable, so it's just more an island of relaxed fun with friends and maybe a little harmless flirtation, surrounded by an ocean of fairly amusing depravity. I'll certainly miss it more than any part of soi T.
  35. 4 points
  36. 4 points
    PeterRS

    Latest Soi Twilight Rumor (Nov 2018)

    I doubt if those of us who visited Bangkok all those years ago are stuck moping around with our memories. We are all a lot older now. Some have settled down with long term partners. We have all changed and our interests re nighttime entertainment have changed/evolved over time. We may also have discovered other countries. The scene may not be as vibrant as Thailand but its there in many countries. I for one take life as it comes. I change. The entertainment scene changes. There is still a great deal to enjoy. Theres no doubt that the rise of the apps is one reason for recent changes in the nighttime scene. But internet hook-ups did not start just with smart phones, grindr, hornet and their like. In the second half of the 1990s there were several internet sites where Thai guys put up the same sort of information found on the apps now. There were also gay dating sites like gay.com. I met many guys from those sites. Chatting took a lot longer but the hook ups when they finally happened seemed at least to me a bit more meaningful. I reckon the decline in the bar and nighttime scene actually started around 2000. Blame the first Thaksin government's Social Order campaigns. I think for the first time the existence of male gogo bars, saunas and massage spas was brought home to the average man in the street, especially in the countryside. This was the first time government Ministers were pictured holding up used condoms and hints given about gay farangs coming for sex tourism. Of course Thais had been enjoying their own much larger underground sex scene for many decades. Farangs filling girlie bars were different. That was OK. But in a very conservative society the thought of their country having a reputation as a sex haven for gays was not welcome. The countrywide popularity ratings of that homophobic Minister rocketed. Interesting I think that in the 80s and 90s Thais always seemed to outnumber farang in the bars. Yet from 2000 the Thais began to disappear. Where they went to and why I never thought about till now. Also that bars rarely seemed to bother changing their business model. Owners failed to realise that the general farang customer was ageing and not being replaced by enough younger ones. The only one making radical change was Twilight which completely changed and became Hotmale. Probably the most popular bar Barbiery moved from its ideal Suriwong location opposite Soi Twilight into larger premises close to Mango Tree. The atmosphere was dead, the mostly twink boys became more manly and customers stayed away in their droves. It quickly died. Even though the gay world has got much bigger over the decades there is still nowhere like Thailand. Long may it continue . And long may we continue to cherish memories of so many wonderful times whenever we experienced them.
  37. 4 points
    spoon

    Latest Soi Twilight Rumor (Nov 2018)

    In a way, i feel blessed not knowing how soi twilight or bangkok used to be. I dont have to mopped around thinking of what it was and what itll never be again and just enjoying the current scene. Ive read few articles that the main culprit of the downfall of gay gogobars was the advancement of apps, and the increasing popularity of live cam website and of course, free porn are so easy to get nowadays. It will not replace what gogobars can offer but there are other benefits that also gogobars cant offer. Its cheaper, u can chat with boys without middle man, and nothing beats free, porn or sex.One of the more significant advantage of apps is its 24/7. I still prefer bars, seeing and touching the boys are definitely better than online assessment, but the cost adds up pretty quick as ive experienced during my last trip. Gogobars will still be a unique experiences for the tourist but less so for the local, and i believe local support to a business are more important for a business to keep running compared to the seasonal tourists. Thus explained why some bars like jupiter and bbb are enjoying a rather great stream of locals and tourists alike, with more of the hot guys sticking around the bars. As a tourist, i dont have time to wade through bunch of profiles in multiple apps to find the one boy who might not look the same in person. Massage places are almost similar with what i have back home, so that leaves gogobars and overnight, the two main reason id still go to thailand. All i need is one bars full of hot guys and for one night, i just need 1 boy, and thats all it takes to keep me happy
  38. 4 points
    anddy

    Art Massage

    With the proliferation of Art Massage shops I thought it should have it's own thread. Guess what, there is yet another brand new branch, now smack on Silom Road under BTS Saladaeng, directly opposite Silom Complex. Exact location is to the right of Soi 2/1 which is the one going to G.O.D. (or now renamed G.Bangkok), see this screenshot with my annotations from google streetview: The shop has the same design as all the others with the beige brick walls. They must now have 6 or 7 branches by now: 3 or 4 (or is it maybe 5 now lol?) directly on Surawong, one in Soi Tarntawan off Surawong (opposite Tawan), one in Suan Phlu between Soi 6 and 8, and now this one. If we add a post to this thread for each new branch they open this thread could get very long very fast hahaha. I have limited experience with their shops, I think two visits only. One in the branch right outside Tarntawan Hotel (great experience), and one around the corner from Soi Twilight (not good).
  39. 4 points
    reader

    MOONLIGHT

    My intent is not to derail the thread but the many posts jostled my memory back to 1970’s San Francisco when the Campus theater was sort of a crude Moonlight of its day. Rick Donovan is the model I recall best. William Higgins made him one of the top stars of his well-done films. Rick appeared from time to time as did other headliners of the day. He’d do some stuff on stage before walking down the isle to allow guests to deposit bills and inspect the merchandise that was the talk of the town. It was before internet and word about places like this came via word of mouth and guides like Spartacus. A different era to be sure but Campus earned all the hype Moonlight does today.
  40. 4 points
    vinapu

    Pre paid credit card

    I still did not receive that money
  41. 4 points
    Forget the whole transaction. There are too many good guys on offer in the big mango to warrant drawn out negotiations. Never lose sight of the rule: distance lends enchantment.
  42. 4 points
    ggobkk

    Airport

    BenG1000 - stay with the Thai business class / it's as quick for clearing immigration as the Fast Track greeter service. This is based on having used both. Biggest delay is waiting for luggage... Take a look at the airport map and know your route to the taxi queue. At that hour of the night, taxi is faster than the train and faster than having booked a car and driver as the driver has to be called from the waiting area which adds some minutes. You can speed up the taxi by telling the driver you are in a hurry and you'll pay 500 THB...that's about 30% more than what the metered rate is, but if you include the tolls it's maybe 15% more. This kind of offer will focus the driver and he won't be tempted to use some side roads to minimize the toll.
  43. 4 points
    anddy

    MOONLIGHT

    Why would it feel odd if not only nude pics, but pics of him in simulated gay sex action, fully erect, are out online for all to see (like the Bang-magazine shots)? I have some other nude pics of him, too, even fully erect (together with another guy), they're being circulated in various Line groups, along with gazillions of other sexy pics and clips. Though I doubt many, if any at all, in those groups know who he is, his name and his Moonlight affiliation, simply because they don't know anything about that bar or the gogo bar scene in general because they are mostly Thai-for-Thai groups. Some I even saw in a Singaporean Line group! Maybe I should put some in the model photos thread....
  44. 4 points
    DivineMadman

    BKK newbie

    I think - for the most part - the guys barely discuss us, and if they do it's only in the extremes - extremely bad or gross, smells, trying to get out of paying or paying less, odd behavior. Put another way, I think they discuss us the same way a baristas at a coffee shop discuss their customers. Or they might comment on the hotel or something special like that, in the same way that they often post facebook pictures of themselves in particularly fancy bathrooms for their friends in the know to see. If customer becomes a "regular" or starts doing things outside of work, then of course they will discuss it with their friends. For us as customers the encounters often take on a bit more meaning and fantasy-fulfilling expectations. For them it's just a job and it's always nice when it turns out particularly pleasant. Make clear before agreeing to off a guy that you want to stay and see the show (if that's what you want). It certainly 100% accepted that you do that. Once I used to spend time with someone from Dreamboys who was a university student, and he really appreciated the earlier evenings. When I would off a guy and want to stay for the show, personally I always let the guy go get changed so he's more comfortable in his regular clothes. The other solution of course would be to wait until after the show to say you're going to off him, although there's always the risk he goes off with a different customer. Up to you.
  45. 4 points
    reader

    Info on a bunch of BKK Massage Shops

    I don’t believe DivineMadman intended this to be a list of the best gay male-to-male shops in Bangkok. Instead it’s just what the title implies: information about a bunch of massage shops. And he took the effort to arrange it in logical order. And it’s just that. He relates his experiences and encourages others to do the same. Information helps us pick and choose but isn’t a substitute for actually going out there and trying it ourselves. Since every massage experience is a unique activity between the parties involved, variation in outcomes is inevitable. But if we dither and fret over every decision, we begin to preclude spontaneity. What distinguishes this thread is that it’s started by an established member who has proven experience in the subject. This, to me, is much more valueable than information gleaned from annonymous sources on commercial sites. I simply wouldn’t trust the latter.
  46. 4 points
    vinapu

    MOONLIGHT

    next time I'm in Bangkok I may test that statement by asking Babe for long time , my hope dies the last
  47. 3 points
    CurtisD

    G Boys

    This thread provides an object lesson in how bars differ on different occasions. G Boys was formerly the old XSize in Twilight. One of the first bars to relocate out of Twilight. As XSize its attraction was its range of twinks for all tastes from slightly fem to moderately built and a range of nationalities. Thai, Myanmar, Lao, Cambodian, Vietnamese. However, it was variable. Some nights a stage packed with a multinational array of charming twinks. Some nights walk up the stairs, look, and with a rueful smile descend back to street level. Often on these occasions the authorities were cracking down on non-Thai guys. I had some of my best experiences with guys from there, also the worst. One of the mamasans was my pick for All Time Most Irritating, and I usually get on well with mamasans. Last trip I wanted to see it in its new location and, based on that one visit, I would go back. Twinks of all types, multiple nationalities, two stand-outs. But only three customers. Although to be fair it was quite early. That was September. Now we have reports that December was muscle and January rough trade. My guess is that the Soi Wall Street location is not helping business. Go and take a look. If it is a good night, great. If not, just appraise the room, smile and leave.
  48. 3 points
    As a follow up to paying for a taxi. I have no idea how many boys I have hired off of GayRomeo, Hornet etc but it is definitely in the hundreds and only once was I ever asked to pay for the taxi and it was not in advance. Boy told me it was a long journey from the hinterlands of BKK and he asked if I could meet him at Hotel when he arrived and pay the fare. Seemed fair to me. One of the best decisions I ever made . That 250 baht taxi fare came back to me many times over , because this boy was a favorite of mine for over a year and many meetings.
  49. 3 points
    The heart wants what the heart wants. I'll let you guys know how this turns out after the weekend.
  50. 3 points
    Planet Romeo has the best app and by far the best functionality in the free version. Unfortunately, as Christian says it's only really any use in Bangkok (and perhaps Pattaya), but most of the boys are on Grindr & Hornet. Hornet has dreadful & annoying advertising. I timed it and there is an irritating video ad every 2 minutes. This is completely pointless, since what they advertise is of zero interest to me, for example some video game that looks good for 5 year olds & Facebook. The free version has an age filter only. It is the app to use in Isan. Grindr - Advertising not quite as bad as Hornet, but the only filter on the free version is an age filter. Considering Grindr and Hornet are going in the direction of fees and excess advertising, a world where these were the only 2 apps would not be a good place. For that reason, I think it makes sense to at least use Planet Romeo when there are boys. Both Grindr and Hornet have "travel features". However, on the Grindr one, if you select, for example, Phnom Penh, then it lists all the boys on line near Phnom Penh. Loads of cute looking lads. However, don't rush out and book your flights based on this, since lads near Phnom Penh can include those in Saigon. If you try Sattahip, there are loads of boys "near Sattahip". Mostly in Pattaya. Blued. Loads of boys, loads of free features. However, despite that, I get hardly any offs via this. On my recent trip, the apps that generated the offs were (in order) : 1 Grindr 2 Hornet 3 Planet Romeo (although I think the proportion of lads on here who are available to farang is much higher) 4 Blued. I might have met one lad in Cambodia via this, but that's about it. Despite loads of boys. Not quite sure where it goes wrong. I also have JackD installed. I used to use this a few years ago when it worked well. Then it went through a phase of not working properly & by the time they fixed that, much of the customer base had gone. Still has a range of free filters. If I had my way, everyone would migrate to Planet Romeo and JackD. Incidentally, Blued and Hornet are Chinese owned. Whilst there is no evidence of government interference, the Chinese government is not exactly the most gay friendly in the world.
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