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Day 6 After emotions of previous 5 days I decided to deflate a bit and take it easy. Today was day me and CCP were supposed to arrive. For a second I entertained an idea of going to Swampy and see if he arrived utilizing free ticket my courtesy but abandoned idea fast. Why bother ? And even if he did , what it would change? I wouldn’t even try to approach , even less to embarrass him. After lazy morning I left Rose and went back to Baan Silom. I liked Rose and it’s quite a option in area if price is right. Unpacking in Baan Silom I noticed my two bottles of red wine carried from home . Now, deprived option of seeing how it makes CCP horny I did not have much use of them but fortunately for the planet got idea who may utilize them and offered to gift to him , no strigs attached. Passing by soi 6 , I noticed M, former masseur on duty at Tawan is now in new 9-teen massage and promised to see him one day. Solitary lunch in Foodland at 3 pm , completely empty at that hour today and then decided to check Kman spa in Saphan Kwai. Since I had Line to one of their guys I messaged him asking if he is working today and he responded he will be on duty at 5. So at 5 I was there too. Massage as good as last time I was there and boy’s endowment was impressive considering he is quite diminutive twink but he is Myanmarese, you know ! Then some computer stuff and it was 9.50 pm when I noticed I should check some bars perhaps. From rotation it was Hot Male turn so went there, just in time for the show. Three veterans of previous offs came to greet me and one of them, Sam, I invited for a drink. I have soft spot for him ever since I took him to Grand Palace and he turned out to be truly interested in the place. I was not even in the mood for an off but wasting time is not my thing so asked him to go with me and judging by reaction it was exactly what he was waiting for. So of we went via Foodland where while he was contemplating what to order I swear waiter told him ‘ take steak , his boy last night had it and farang paid” So steak it was. Not particularly steamy night but after all that recent drama I guess I just wanted comforting warm body beside and he provided.

I got in from good authority that he is back in the bar so no, that option needs to be discounted

sure , Dragon Boys Club Chonburi will be opened in the same premises three days after Dragon Club closes, just watch

that makes me truly regretting I won't be in Bangkok at that time. Tom Yum soup stout sound intriguing indeed.

I guess fact that I arranged for trip well (about 2 weeks) before CCP even contacted me helped me to get over it fast. It would be different if I came all the way specially to be with him , that would be upsetting big time. His former bar friend was great consolator on my last night in PP , it helped too. Way it developed worst day of this trip was followed by second best if not best night. Vagaries of boy hunting ! Before I set off for PP I had a bit concern of how I keep CCP occupied in those 5 days so in some sense it was relief I don't need to worry about that too. Strange as it may sound I still like him but rest assured , not to a degree I would be pursuing him again , not to mention allowing to be manipulated in any sense. Old saying ' what doesn't kill you , makes you stronger " certainly applies here. I was thinking about keeping it for myself instead of making public how big fool I was but after giving it some thought I decided to tell story so other can learn and perhaps feel better. Most of us will still tend to think "I'm smarter and if I was vinapu I'd cut if off right away after (insert whatever moment )" I can live with being smarter than vinapu part but have some doubts if in circumstances everybody will be cutting deal off instead of trying to salvage it to reasonable degree as I tried unsuccessfully. I was not in love neither tried to be , all I was looking for was to spent week+ with guy I met and who made the best impression on me , both as person and as prime beef. Fact that he remembered our October talk and contacted me first was not only encouraging but thrilling too. So again , to quote Sophia from Golden Girls, while he turned bum, I still smile.

That is my problem, all I can do is to guess. Anyways it was fun dreaming about time together but such conclusion of the affair was in cards due to various stunts so while upset I was not that surprised , even less shocked. Just big time disappointed. Yes I picked up myself as soon as I left hotel to go back to Bangkok, boarded plane relieved it's over and as we will see , trip developed quite nicely up to the last off(s) included.

I was thinking about that , yes it's possible although in last communication he could mention is not feeling well or something. But as you say does not explain those earlier antics. If you are right perhaps one day he will contact me again with explanation but I'd figure that even if isolated he would be allowed his phone with him. But of course it's the whole face thing too.

rest assured I did

few pics from Rose hotel as it's rarely mentioned in the forum

something like that

Day 5 I did not mention I will be leaving soon and there was no need as in the morning he rushed to his day time job , just giving me enough time to have breakfast and pack up . I had that bottle of red wine I forgot to give CCP and presented her to my tuk-tuk driver who took me to airport. He was quite surprised that his quoted fare of 8 $ included getting bottle, lol. Hope he did not try it on his way back to the city. Sitting on the plane all emotions related to this affair left me , all of then sudden I realized I have 5 days free to roam fortified with 30000 baht CCP decided to leave in my pocket by pissing on our deal. At noon I was in Swampy already. Immigration was breeze. Hour later I was checking into Rose. It was my first time there and I liked what I saw. Super location in quiet corner steps from Suriwong, room with the view. Only thing I did not like was washbasin in the toilet, way too low. Clearly aimed at people much shorter than I’m. I went for a stroll and crossing Silom I spotted one of boys known to me with handsome farang. Because we exchanged few PMs on the subject of said guy I suspected I knew who farang is but they were in rush and I had blackout forgetting farang’s nick so did not stop them either. Later on fired PM to him to confirm it was him and it was a case indeed. So to 31 forum members I met I add one whom I just passed by chance, lol. G’bangkok in soi 4 was busy so I went for dinner to Happy Beer Garden greeted warmly by one of waitresses who by coincidence had birthday today as whispered by other waiter. So treated her with big bottle of Chang. Then to Hot Male beer bar, had few drinks with P , my first night stand and then decided to check Jupiter’s show. Bar was packed. As always boys were first class look but smiles lacking, nothing new here .After show and it was midnight I decided to leave passing by few their guys standing by the door including one quite muscular and handsome like hell. I was already outside when Guardian Angel pushed me back inside so I asked that guy about drink. We sat down and made deal very fast. Boy drink and off fee 950, gave mamasan 1000 baht note and couldn’t get a change so after few minutes decided to leave. If somebody will wonder why on my next visit or two at Jupiter I will not tip , there’s answer, that self service. Boy, J, was hungry and suggested modestly Foodland but inside was less modest ordering their most expensive dish, some steak. No harm done and Bon Appetit. In the room was very active and pleasant. World is coming to an end, another Jupiter off I’m so happy with. I never thought I will live that long! Too bad he did not want to stay till morning. Tipped him generously though as it was well deserved but as always I denied request for taxi money. What was supposed to be my last night in PP turned to be my first in Rose. Nice to be back in Bangkok, it took less than a day for me to get over and forget whole CCP debacle like it never happened.

no idea , I don't know those things but noticed unusually yellow eyes. It was , at end of day whole thing was covered by half full part of glass It's why I'm not bitter, as said above on recollection of first few days after he contacted me I still smile. Broadly. Sure I spend some money and it was mostly wasted as per specification above but may be it was just price for that dream. I suspect he may be losing more sleep then me over it as money he forfeited by those antics was , at least for Cambodia, substantial

I only brought one guy , on my second night but no, not a problem at all. I met him on the street in front of hotel and we entered together. Guy on reception saw us waiting for an elevator for quite a while but did not care. No problem with guest at Saravoan in Oct 2022 either , night guard just opened gate and smiled oiled with some banknote.

I like your analysis. It goes along my lines of thinking then and now. When I entered car he was clearly disappointed that I don't have that new shiny suitcase with me to a degree I was even surprised. Dark cloud going through his face was visible even if it was just second or two. Red flags were notice but I chose to take a chance and go ahead. In hindsight I should stop right there when request to change flights was made but I was not in mood to blow a deal I was dreaming about over such trivial matter. Now , after all dust settled I tend to think underscored part was his real motive. But if it was a case another question needs to be asked - why he told his former bar friend about that trip if he was not even planning to go ?

I guess you must be right. It's still puzzling me that he forfeited whole deal as from financial point of view he was bound to make quite a buck based on our agreement. Clearly not enough for him I guess though You guys may be right but something tells me it was not a reason. He could simply suggest the I should pretend I don't know him and it's what I suggested but answer was very clear ' you should go first". lesson learned. I doubt I ever will forward money before slipping my hand into boy's jeans first. It was bit costly tuition but tuition it was. When one looks at whole financial side of the affair it was not him who benefited the most but various airlines. All he got was 200 $ for shopping and 15 $ for bringing me to the hotel from airport. Total 215 ? his ticket to BKK -175 $ my second ticket when he requested separate flight 80$, my third ticket when I decided to cut my time in PP short 75 $, bottle of wine 17$, money lost on cancelling original hotel reservation 10$. Total 357 $ And so did I. Risk was calculated indeed and I understood that it's on his side as well since we never spent really time together. It's why we ironed almost everything before I even set off. When I recall those first few days after we connected and how thrilled I was then I tend to think it was still worth expense and being burdened with subsequent disappointment. Call me stupid but I still smile. Yes , overall trip was very enjoyable and that affair while disappointed me , did not spoil my fun even close to degree one could expect. As I reported above , even my last night in PP was VERY pleasant and pleasing affair.

remember what I said here 2 158 964 times, my second worst and THE BEST off ever were with the same guy two years apart. Later on we will return to that story and it will be another uplifting one about reunion with guy who dumped me in Nov over my complains about his excessive phone use and turned sweeter than honey only 3 months later.

so beach finally will be just that , the beach not a parking spot for numerous boats

all we can do is gnash teeth and pay. At 300 baht fee is relatively modest, equivalent of boy's drink in Banana Club or two servings of chicken with cashew nuts at world famous 7.5 stars Foodland Patpong

Thank you , YOU HAVE A GOOD HEART. as for pictures, no. I don't have such habit plus even if tempted I wouldn't post until I hear his side if the story as there's remote but still real possibility that by dumping and ghosting me he saved me from bigger trouble, either by coincidence or even by design.

just walk arround Silom , patpong 2 , soi 6 , Suriwong , Thaniya and soi4 as after bars closed guys like to hang out or have meals with friends here and there so you may hunt somebody fairly easy, Banana had show till at least 1.30 , I was there waiting for my boy to finish shift on my first night in BKk on last trip. There were still some boys available , I know because one of them was sitting with me and was awarded 500 for allowing some indecent touches

I wouldn't let you to damage his nicely shaped butt, yes that silence was indecent , he could invent some excuse and in view of our earlier arrangements ( he said very early that his time in PP may be limited ) I would swallow it .

I also can't find fault in what I did other than cutting almost in half first money request and denying second but that , considering we did not even exchange handshake yet was correct thing to do. no, I did not enjoy PP this time for obvious reason, time spent at Space Bar was notable exception. What happened to the bottle will be revealed tomorrow

again, no. It was him who raised question of money first and in plain language ' I go with you and can't work at that time , how much from you for to me ?" For PP part he made disclaimer early that he will be only available at night and even that was bit conditional as he expected to be busy during daytime. Sure there's possibility that something was lost in translation and misunderstanding could create some offence but I doubt as that is not explaining again that strange flight request made early on.

thank you for your kind words. I don't mind dissecting my conduct , it's why I posted that story so others can learn and discuss. Yes I knew very well what I'm getting into, even more , CCP also knew as we discussed both 3 days in PP and 5 in BKK in detail well before I even left home. We should remember it was CCP who contacted me first as after unsuccessful attempt to lure him to Siem Reap in October I left things as they were and did not try to contact him , only when planning trip to Thailand I decided to pop into PP to see if he is still there. For me whole mystery hangs on that strange request made about a week after we started talking to go to Bangkok first, even if that was only 20 minutes earlier. From that moment, while my hopes were still very high and they were till last moment of morning of day 4 described above, I knew to expect some derailment on the way although total ghosting was not what I expected at all , if only because quite serious money for Cambodia was supposed to be dispensed. To this day nobody came with plausible explanation as why he wanted me to go separate and earlier at that.

Day 4 Contrary to what may be expected I slept quite well and would sleep even longer but at 7 am I was waked up by sound of air conditioner. Breakfast on 15th floor , included in price, I truly enjoyed food and the view . Going down, my phone sounded, it was Line message , you guessed rightly, from CCP. Repeated last night excuse about delivery and being hungry like he couldn’t say that at night he will not come. Then complained that he is stressed because of debt and it caused him to lose 5kg, fact I noticed yesterday at the airport. And noticed that I keep tight limit on his monetary requests. Next out of blue question come if during those 5 days in BKK we can make trip to Phi Phi island . I said no , I’m not planning to go outside of Bangkok . He mused ‘ why ? we have so many days” so I answered because it would cost more than I planned to spend. And I had question too ‘ what about our trip today?’ , answer was brief “ I think I cannot “ . All I could do is to say ‘ thank you for letting me know , I will ask at travel office”. Then I knew all affair is over. And as it turned so did him because my next message “ what about tomorrow? “ was never read till last day of the trip. So yes, all warning signs were like that, warning signs . it was only me who seeing those opted to ignore them feeding what my friend described as ‘ magnificent illusion” . It was magnificent indeed. But no more . I fired my tablet decided to cut my stay in PP short. Tickets for today were bit costly so I bought one for tomorrow for exactly the same flight I was supposed to take with him day later. It was my third ticket for PP-Bkk flight, first was original and second for that requested earlier flight. Also booked 1 night at Rose hotel because Baan Silom was full for the night. Wandered a bit around riverbank and downtown including magnificent Psar Thmei market but emotions and uncured jet lag conspired and early afternoon I just collapsed in bed to a sound sleep till 9 p.m. Then groomed myself a bit and went to Space Bar again skipping dinner. Hard to believe but breakfast was only meal I had today. In the bar I was greeted by my last trip companion. I did not waste time to ask him to come to my room after bar closes , idea he approved gladly. Later in course of conversation he told me that he knows I’m taking ‘big guy” with me to Bangkok. Wishing it was true indeed I said nothing. So obviously CCP spilled the beans, otherwise how he would know ?. Few rounds of drinks kept me and boys at my table in good spirits, fact is quite a few of them were hiring material if I stay longer. Tab was even higher than yesterday and again I suspect I was charged for more drinks I ordered unless boys ordered some behind my back on my tab. No complains as I had good time indeed. But it looks no end to today’s dramas. My expected companion disappeared somewhere and was nowhere to be found. I went to hotel hoping he will be waiting there but no. So lined him only to receive message that he is angry with me because he noticed I tipped few guys just for sitting , drinking and talking. Clearly PP air is not good for me this time, sigh. But I got bright idea to offer him what I’d pay CCP tonight and shortly he was on his way. What I thought as consolation price was consolation indeed. He turned out very warm and yet energetic guaranteeing sleepless steamy night for us both. Probably best of that whole trip.