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Perhaps because we less familiar with an option and not brave enough to try ? We may also wonder if it will be possible to walk from bar to hotel at 2 am undisturbed ? But who knows? may be one day?

no, I did not even see that bar, not being aware about it's existence . I wonder where it could be ?. Gladly meet up with you . I'm of good opinion about Mexico. only annoying part was pestering by hawkers and being called ' amigo' at every turn. As for prices, I know that as newbie one must pay premium until gets a grab of the land. I treated it just as cost of survey and had fun in process.

I found both weather and water quality quite Ok and in future would have no problems to come at the same time . If not whoring it turned quite a cheap and yet high quality vacations. Weather was at least very predictable, sun in the morning , rain in the evening. Ocean was choppy but water was warm and sufficiently wet.

Part 3 Encounters Slvkguy did excellent analysis of the scene in PV in his post above and as you will see below my experiences are confirming it to a great degree. I had 5 massages, all 1 hr long and met 3 escorts, I describe massages first as one of massage guys become escort later. 1st encounter , in the shop on my hotel’s street I passed by , noticed few boys sitting outside , all on hunky side as all masseurs in PV it seems but one drew my particular attention so I motioned him to go inside. I was instructed to lay on the bed and wait for the guy who arrived after 2-3 minutes. He was fully dressed , I asked how much is massage – 700 pesos=35 USD for 1 hr. Massage was good but he studiously avoided being too close to my bit outstretched hands. Only after turnover he asked me how I want to finish. I asked him to remove shirt , yes for 500 extra. What about shorts? Another 500. Approved and only then , in complete silence I had a chance to put my hands on him. Bit expensive at 1700 total thought I but at least body was great. I did not ask for contact neither him offered. In fact I never saw him at that shop again which was too bad (that body, sigh!) 2nd encounter I mentoned I saw outstanding hunk in front of shop in the center of Zona Romantica but being sweaty went to hotel to take shower , returned , he was gone but I grabbed another hunk, probably closer to 40 than 30. Again , procedure the same, cost 700 , if I want him to remove shirt 200 more so I went for that 900 package. Massage very thorough and he was not shy being close to the table so I could feel this and that through his shorts and package was sizable , even if only half erected. But that was it when comes to steamy part. Gave him 1000, he gave me strong hug and asked to see him again. 3rd encounter Guy messaged me on Grindr and asked it I want massage, picture looked good so I took an offer. By the way 3 out of 4 guys I saw in flesh and on Grindr looked much better in flesh thank on their picture. He said he can come to my room or I can come to his shop. Keeping in mind 300 fee I opted for shop which turned out to be the same when I had my 1st . Massage 700 and if I wanted him naked 500 extra. Either he was less greedy or 1st guy took me for ride. So I had my naked masseur although he only lowered his shorts to the ankles but that was good enough. Nice time for 1200 but still not that cheap at equivalent of 2000 baht. Massage itself was weakest out of all I had. Since we communicated through Grindr he expressed wish to see me again and asked me to contact him there. 4th encounter I took a stroll toward gay section of the beach and adjacent Blue Chairs hotel and noticed 2 massage shops there. In front on one was a HUNK who in fact ignored me but I’m not that easily discouraged when comes to hunks so when coming back few minutes later I motioned him to go inside. Relaxing massage 750, deep tissue 1000. I went for deep tissue. Clothing removing question came pretty fast , 500 extra, agreed. Great body , big everywhere so I had a bit of fun exploring it although it was still on modest side , mindful of conspiracy. His face looked familiar so I asked if he is on Grindr. Yes. He gave me him phone number inviting to call him when need arises. I did the same day in the evening – see Guy 3 below. 5th encounter On my last day after I checked out of room I had 3 hours waiting time before arrival of airport van. Most logic was to have a massage g followed by some lunch and I decided to check those shops on Blue Char street again. There was nobody in one I went to day before but across the street there were 4 sizable guys sitting in front of other shop. One raised his had from smartphone screen and asked ‘ massage ? ‘ Deal. Price the same 750 or 1000. Again I went for deep tissue for 1000 and it was best massage out of those 5. No mention of shirt , even less shorts removal so just massage it is. It was only one when we actually talked during session. Nothing steamy but he let me to feel his private through the shorts and his ass was of particularly pleasant firm and bubbly quality. So I gave him 1200. He wanted to give me his number and was very disappointed to learn I’m leaving in hour and half. Had I stay longer , for sure we would have another meeting ,if only to see what his shorts were hiding. In fact I saw him again, when van was picking me up he was just passing by on his way home and our smiley eyes crossed again. So as you can see , while massages per se were on rather professional side , not really much happened to terms of steam and all that at expense much higher than would be in Bangkok ( 1000 peso is about 1800 baht ) Guys There were three. First On my first night upon return from Anthropology I noticed than quite pleasant looking guy contacted me on Grindr, not only saying ‘Hi’ but also posting his enticing nude pictures. Nevr mind it was past 1 am , I responded. Upon learning when I satay it was “ ouch , you hotels doesn’t allow guests but if you want you can ask them. “ So I went down, was informed it will be 300 and visitor must resent ID and will received bracelet upon entry. Sent message again and few minutes later guy was there. Wanted whopping 2000 and since it was my first night I agreed. As it turned later he lived block and half away only. I liked what I saw , man looking much better than on his pics. Athletic rather than muscular with impressive certain important muscle so to speak. Very professional , perhaps too professional as exactly after one hour his phone buzzed indicating time is over. But I liked him and my time with him so I suggested I can meet him every night whole week for 1500 a pop. Immediately accepted, he even suggested that I can see him in his place and instead paying hotel 300 each time I can pay that to him. Despite time being 2.30 am my mind was not that clouded so I countered that we split that 300 half / half. So for next few nights I went to his place for our hour of fun. And then after 5th time all of the sudden he went silent , not responding to my messages. Not a tragedy since I had consolation in Anthropology but I was curious what’s going on. Then on my last day he contacted me again , asked if we can meet and suggested my place for a change. It was funny as he came few minutes after my previous guest, Boy Third left , generating knowing smile by night shift manager. I did not get any explanation about that silence from yesterday, I did not ask either. All went very well as every night whole week but it must be spoiler, since it was our last night he asked for 500 extra. I paid but since I don’t like such antics I blocked my sweetie on Grindr and What’s Up as soon as left for the airport. Sorry man but deal is a deal, it was supposed to be 1500. Second When I fired Grindr on evening of arrival I noticed immediately shockingly attractive hunk . Coming to PV I decided that I will engage only guys who will be contacting me first. So I was extremely excited next day when he , noticing I checked his profile contacted me and offered his services. My judgement was clouded by his attractiveness so I even agreed to his 2000 fee. He preferred meeting at his place but it was short walk so I did not mind and went there. Yes it was him, profile was not fake but still somewhat manipulated. Face was as handsome , body was great but six pack somehow disappeared, butt shrunk and he , sensing perhaps my excitement, turned bit sandbagy. So while I liked our time together I knew coming down that it was it , specially for that kind of money. Third As I mentioned my 4th masseur’s face was familiar , he admitted to being on Grindr so upon returning to hotel I checked and found him, asked if he wants to see me in my room . We agreed on late evening the same day. Of course whole 300 fee and bracelet procedure but it was worth it. As I said , he was HUNK and turned not to be time watcher , no alarm clock at passing 1 hr. and seemed genuinely pleased that I like him or rather his body so much. Quite a catch with one of most beautiful cocks ever invented but foremost very service oriented personality. I upped his fee of 1500 to 2000 , well deserved , specially in view of granting us more time that that standard hour. So to summarize my PV flesh experience, strip club was fun, expensive but lively fun. One can economize a bit by reducing size of tips and have one , not three boys sitting with him on the evening but it was worth. Massages per se were good value as massages but really who needs massage in massage shop, that’s novelty for me. I’d say expensive way of getting boy’s contact information. Big plus was that almost all guys working in all places were well built and handsome, even if they had rotation system , one can’t go wrong. As for my guest’s and host’s, while compared to Bangkok more expensive , special per unit of time , two out three were very hot , pleasant , well endowed and free of antics. I liked them but at night I think I rather dream about my Bangkok guys than Vallarta ones. Will I go there again ? Quite possibly. I had good time there , boy encounters were more addition than goal itself. I did not feel pressured by myself to chase them , it just happened they appeared on horizon and I grabbed them. Will PV become competition to Thailand in my heart ? No way as on every account , hotels , boys , massages , tips , time watching Thailand represents better, really much better value but Vallarta has one advantage - it takes half price and 1/5 time to get there as opposite to BKK and no jet lag so at one point I may become fan of the place.

it's Ok , at least you did not type "69th"

I found Sept weather agreeable and quite pleasant. mornings and afternoons were sunny and warm, early evenings were rainy for 1-2 hours and warm. It was one day without rain and one with long, torrential rain I completely agree with your analysis based on what I experienced there, have only doubts about excellent food part but that's me , not a fan of Mexican fare. But yes , your analysis is spot on as we will see shortly when I describe my encounters with local talent while there.

I was required to fille customs for but not immigration form in Puerto Vallarta just recently. We were told that no immigration forms are required for stays up to 7 days. How true is that , I don't know. Definitely no pre-flight registration nonsenses

my time there was short and live entertainment was more night time filler than main pursuit

dress for an occasion , remember it's World Heritage site ! Welcome back ! It looks that new KFC is in location McDonald used to occupy.

I wonder why world assumes one China policy means absorbing Taiwan into mainland. Who knows, perhaps one day it will be mainland who joins democratic Republic of China. Impossible? If somebody told us in 1987 that in 5 years USSR won't be there any more what we were saying then? until those forces are tested in the battle we will not know how prepared and lethal they are. Weren't Russian thinking in February that Kiev will be theirs in few days ?

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no, only raw external force will stop him or internal unrest, whatever will comes first but it will come

Part 2 continued Strip Clubs After combing internet I was expecting to visit all four listed, three of them on Cardenas , practically one beside another. But it did not work that way – Pervert seemed to disappear or relocate but I did not find where. Wet Dreams looked closed for low season I checked almost daily well past midnight but no , it was not opened. Hope in future. 69 is opened but I had bad luck as it was in process of renovation for 2 weeks, I even saw work in process and scheduled to re-open 2 days after my departure. There’s prominent sign in the window “men only admitted”. Obviously no trace of political correctness there. This left me with only choice - Anthropology. That bar is located actually outside of Zona Romantica , immediately across the river, just past bridge. During day it can be overlooked but at night is lighted with psychedelic neon and just to make sure there ‘s bare chested , well built but also well past his prime guy on duty at the entrance making sure all visitors are making donation in absence of entry ticket. Each time I was placing 100 peso = 5 USD in the jar but had impression that 50 or even 20 would do. I visited it 4 times, including one during deluge when in order to enter I needed to wring at the entrance my soaked and dripping shirt. Every time it was busy , at times very busy with standing room only. Ladies are admitted but behaved well. But not too many old gringos in audience , Every time I felt like a dean of customers with my white hair. So how it works there ? You climb the stairs to find yourself in very spacious bar , take a seat and order drink. Corona beer cost only 50 for customer but 150 for a boy if you invite one for drink. Each time it was at least 20-30 guys on duty. There are more lavishly priced drinks , at times boys even ordered 2 which cost 400 but there’s advantage to it – boy is sitting with you until his drink is finished. They are quite reasonable , not gulping it all in one go , so you can count on 15-20 minutes of conversation, some caressing , hugging, kissing , depending how brave you are and how inclined guy is. I noticed some are reserved and others extremely easily forthcoming. They are dressed in their underwear , sometimes also t-shirt but will remove it on request immediately. Yes , you can feel their privates, cock usually was erect and erection enforced by rubber ring and those are Latin cocks, cocks of size ! Most boys asked for a tip or another drink, but few just finished their glass and left to the next customer or to perform. My system was 500 i.e. if boy ordered 2 drinks and it cost 400 , 100 was his tip, if ordered cheaper one for say 250, 250 was his tip. They were asking for private dance promising 20 minutes for 500. I took bait 2 times but found it poor value. They have rooms for that upstairs, you pay 500 to the cashier and you both climb the stairs close door and you have naked adonis to play with. In both cases they asked for 500 tip on top of fee paid already so total was 1000= 50 USD and in both cases 20 minutes lasted 10 and 15. So definitely not worth it unless you really like guy which was my second case. I had him sitting with me every night. I’m not sure they took an advantage of my newness with that extra tip or that is the system. If I stay longer I’d find out. I spoke to one of boys and he admitted they prefer tip to drinks on which they get some commission but boss is watching and is expecting them to have certain number of drinks. He also said that boys can be take out for a familiar fee of 500 but I did not get to it, may be next time. Some boys spoke very good English , some almost none and everything in between. As for shows there’s always at least one at any given time, always solo , on one of three venues : main stage, pole dancing and shower . Sometimes one guy is performing on the stage and at the same time other is showering. Shower show by the way is only one with full nudity and boys there are not shy. Main stage performers usually sport rigid member , rather surely enforced by cock ring. After their part boys circulate among audience asking for tips so better be prepared with change although it’s easy to get one from waiter , I paid for my 50 peso beer with 500 note , asked for change for tips and I got fistful of 20 and 50 peso notes as a change, easy. Of course waiter got 20 peso for his efforts. You may have situation that at the same time 3 guys are circulating , main stager , shower guy and pole dancer , each with his hat you should place your tip in but also with his poking cock you can get a feel of for few precious seconds. All at time when you have another guy sitting with you already and not exactly saying rosary either . Fun there never stops but also money is flowing like the river. But there’s little pressure, you get his smile and feel of whatever part of his body you fancy ( some assess are just God sent) whether you tip 20 or 100 and if you don’t they are moving to next client. Boys are not shy and quite happy to share their attributes with you for a moment or three as long as you grease their palms. I had fun there every time but Guardian Angel instructed me to take only so much money so when it was gone , shortly was I, happy but empty pocketed ( 3000 each night, 2-3 hrs of non stop fun including 3-4 boys sitting with me for a time ) In comparison with Thai bars refreshing is absence of mamasans, boys are doing their soliciting by themselves but as I said , with very little pressure , I can recall only one so called face when I tipped guy just 20 peso. Those who frequent Tawan will find an atmosphere similar.

Part 2 Disclaimer : my time there was short and it was my first visit in Mexico boy hunting so don’t treat anything I write as a Gospel. Those are my impressions but all is based on relatively small statistic sample gathered in short span of time so I may be wrong or inaccurate. When comes to pricing , definitely I made typical novice’s mistakes buy over paying and under negotiating services. Even after week I saw it. Even if spot on, I’m also not sure how representative PV scene is to rest od country. At least two members with experience in Mexico suspected that scene there is spoiled by affluent California queeny gays. Gay scene “Romantica “ in Zona Romantica district name refers chiefly to gays. Couples are very visible day and night, both locals and gringos as PV is considered by many gay capital of Mexico. Walking guys holding hands even after Sunday mass are not drawing any attention. And PLU are supporting vide range of businesses in Zona , Cardenas being main street where a lot of businesses catering to gays are located, not all of them opened though. Go-go bars and street trade That’s easy, I did not hear about those when researching destination before arriving and did not see any on the ground so safely can assume there’s none. I was offered weed at least 4 times and if there’s any street trade I assume I would see guys available, particularly that I was wandering through the streets of Zona Romantica and Malecon at various times , including well after midnight. Sauna Not my scene but there’s Spartacus on main drag open till 6 am well lit and with warning ‘ men only , do not enter if you don’t like gay lifestyle” posted inside just in front of entry. Clubs Quite a few , well attended by both genders, visible from far because of lights and noise, again did not survey because it’s not my scene. Industry, Paco Ranch and Slaughters seemed particularly popular. Massages Several shops in Zona including 4 in close vicinity of my hotel , guys are usually sitting or standing outside quite actively inviting business. Almost all on older side 25+ including few with greying hair already and invariably well build. Twink lovers don’t have much i.e. anything to do in PV, not in massages , nor in strip club , not even on Grindr. Vallarta visitors like their boys on better built side , that’s my firm impression. And those who know me , know that I liked what was on offer. I took 5 massages and describe them in the next part but my general observation from that sample are : There’s no mention of shower before or after, one just goes to the room , gets massaged and that’s it. Guys are massaging you fully dressed, t -shirt and track pants or shorts. Yes, it’s possible to undress them but for a fee. Forget about hanky panky , everything other than massage is done in silence and conspiracy. Most guys are very willing to exchange contact info for further encounters outside of working hours. Guys are rotating often so if you see one you fancy , grab him , don’t assume he will be there next day. I learned that lesson in one shop where guy at front was made of my dreams but I was returning from jungle trek and wanted to take shower first. Went to hotels , showered , returned and he was gone to be never seen again and I was passing by at least twice daily. Massage is invariably started from upper back , opposite to way practised in Thailand. In comparison to Thai massages guys in PV seem to be better trained and coverage is also better but under pressured. I like my massages strong and only one , my last, was strong enough. Perhaps those biggish guys were afraid to crush KFC man?. More details will be in part 3 “Boys” , planned at sometime between now and Christmas. Apps I use only Grindr and before arrival I promised to myself to involve only guys who will contact me first in line with my rule to hire guys who are smiling at me recognizing my presence. Like massages and strip club, guys there are old older and hunkier side. A lot seemed to be visitors. Money boys and even massage offers are very discreet, much more so than in Bangkok , not to mention Pattaya. So basically one needs to ask as descriptions tend to be very cryptic. As we learn in future I had a luck securing guy for the nightly sessions. And another one for single session. One of my massages was arranged by app and after another massage I spot my guy there inviting him for repeat at night in my room. (part 2 to be continued as I don't want post to be too long )

hurrah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What makes you thinking I hosted them in my room ? Did you ever hear about tent in the park?

no idea but my guess will be no because of that bracelet issuance. I could sneak both my guests to the room but neither was keen of breaking the rules and they told me that a outright. 300 peso joiner fee was not disaster and hotel did not make any fuss with guests otherwise , even when I brought next one half an hour after first left on my last night as we learn in due course. Booking double wouldn't make any sense as cost of flight was included in the whole package costing 1075 $ while flight only would be 810 $ so it would be cheaper just to rent another cheaper hotel just for guests I guess. There advantages and disadvantages of package tours I guess.

no worries , I saw advertisements when there but no, I wouldn't participate. I'm not a beach person and beach for me is just strip of sand I need to cross going to or from water. I did nude bathing in the river in Botanical Gardens though as a substitute I guess.

At least I knew about deficiencies ( no internet in room , coffee making facilities , drinking water ) in my hotel from comments others left on booking sites so I came prepared and was not surprised. Only surprise was guest charge as I took gay friendly for guest friendly

certainly not a case of hotels , prices in December 2021 and then in May 2022 were shockingly friendly, for example Crowne Plaza Silom, 70 $ per night with breakfast at Christmas time ! it's twice as much now , low and rainy season

of course not , when we passed school bully we always smiled at him and start making our grimaces as soon as he went away. I usually paid off to have one or two as friends. Good news about them was that the did not want other bullies to grew too strong and were looking for allies among us weaklings. I always felt elevated because biggest of them bullies , Tiger ( not the same Tiger from Tawan) was living in the same building but basking in the shadow of his glory did not stop me from screaming obscenities at him when he couldn't see me

few pictures, including my private secluded beach before we start whoring

slowly, slowly but surely....

Don't worry guys , in time both countries will be Ok, just like before

my readers may be interested in report of my recent trip to Puerto Vallarta , Mexico (my apologies for shameless promotion ) I posted it in Latin America forum here : https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/38379-another-trip-report-this-time-from-puerto-vallarta-mexico/