vinapu

still plenty of them live and run businesses there. Not that you are wrong but we shouldn't be painting Cambodia as kind of lawless wild west, those days seem to be gone as country discovers that milking foreigners for providing actual services is more lucrative than robbing them at gun point.

yes, it's like "you can have any beer you want as long as it's Singha or Chang"

few months ago paulsf posted equally uplifting story about wallet missing in the taxi, thread was called 'Different kind of happy ending". Most of us agree that considering temptation Thai moneyboys are very honest. It doesn't mean we should be leaving wads of money in the open but doesn't make any sense to be paranoid. And leave those golden chains and watches at home , we don't have ' do not lead us into temptation' in Lord's prayer for nothing. as a general note - often when we travel it's other travelers we should be watching more than locals. Never heard about problems in gay bars but my straight friends whoring in Nana and soi Cowboy reported about all of the sudden friendly farangs joining the table and after few rounds drinks leaving for the washroom , tab unpaid , not to be seen again.

Great report and even greater is the fact that you promised report of your trip and you kept your word. If you tell me whom you offed from Tawan I will tell you who another admirer of #44 from Jupiter is here. LOL Clearly on your first night you are taking the same route I'd take , Jupiter & Tawan in any order. Hope you had fun in Kanchanaburi today

welcome to the forum , if you did not discover thread about information for newbies you may wish to get acquainted with it http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic/11227-newbies-advice-bar-etiquette-and-more/

You don't even need to justify your actions. Just do what you are comfortable with , whether those are photos, description of activities , place you stay , names boys you re with etc . and leave out whatever you see fit. I think everybody here will understand, sure they may ask you this or that, which you may or may not to give answer to but you will be OK with everybody if you decide to refuse answer or provide it by PM to chosen ones only. You will not find any people photos and description of room activities in my reports and so far nobody tried to crucify me for that. I kind of compensate by providing their nicks and numbers but even if somebody skips these I think we all understand. They are others who provide graphics but made identifying boy as hard as possible and this is fine as well IMHO . We have our privacy and are entrusted to a degree with boys privacy as well although those who are pointing out that we may actually help boys to increase their traffic have one big point.

cheer up and keep in mind that you outlook was colored by misfortune you had with that boy you mentioned in another thread

This brings us to a topic of missing money. In 15 trips positively I had nothing stolen from my room , at the massages and in the bars. Only time I had money missing was somewhere between Hero and Sala Daeng. When I left Hero money was there , I think there were two possiblities - either somebody lifted it up on the crowded BTS or I pulled it out by accident when taking money from the pocket to buy a ticket. Lesson learned, after that I devised system of having small notes and coins in only one pocket and rest distributed between various pockets in my shirt and shorts.

considering that is +30 on my balcony now , that article couldn't come at better time. Here's to everybody ! Cheers

It's precisely I rather fly another 6 hours and spend my vacations in Thailand where for the same price I can get acceptable quality attention whole night including breakfast together. On another hand when one thinks with cold head 4500 is not extreme for all inclusive, let see Dreamboys - drink for me and boy 900, off fee 700, tip 1500 but rather 2000 if we are talking about high quality, still 3100-3600 baht , much cheaper but not as much as one would expect . But I gather other costs like accommodation and food are more costly in Japan as well .

thank you both for a good laugh since your stories reminded me an adventure of one of my straight friends entertained by one of soi Cowboy ladies and in the moment of passion not only his and lady's phones rung at once but also somebody knocked to the door. He took it as serious sign of being in trouble for debauchery and went as far as e-mail me asking if I know any church in the area. I directed him to one on Ruam Ruedi chastising in in the answer claiming accurately that i was in Bangkok so may times and never went to the bed with girl. Still laughing

from me all they get is their tip, only once I gave my contact (e-mail address ) to a boy and came to regret it.

I do the same . on flights longer than 3 hours window seat is death trap for me . Not just aisle seat but aisle seat in the middle section at end of aircraft is my preferred choice since I noticed quite often if plane is not full this is where empty seats are . It's great treat if one can stretch elbows beyond own armrest. I suspect that that airlines are keeping track of frequent fliers preferred seatage as I usually get my favorite seats allocated by computer when I 'm doing check in on line , definitely is was a case in my last two trips with both Cathay Pacific and China Eastern.

It looks that Japan would suit you very well since bar's there clearly state how much and for how long. Your response show how different approaches people have. Some discuss money , some activities, some both and others none. It show there's flexibility in the system for both boys and us ( I for one , like to set money issues up front but like Christian don't talk about activities as I have fun of finding out ) Boys sometimes may ask as well 'how much you give me " or ' what we will be doing". As for negotiation I think we are using too big word. Sure haggling about price to bring it down from say 2000 to 1000 step by step would take fun from whole process. What I employ as negotiations is as per sample: me :' how much you want? ", boy: 2000 *** me : either 'ok" ( usually unless this is out of whack quote ) or 1000 ( not necessarily half , just whatever I'm prepared to pay ) boy: either 'ok ' or 1500 or 2000 (original offer ) me : either 'ok ' or again 1000 (original offer) , no hard feeling if rejected , chances I up my tip in the room if accepted. As you see I give myself only one chance to respond with acceptance or counter offer and boy is given two chances to sound reasonable. **** if boy answers ' up to you ' I will tell him how much he will get and this is my last word. If he tries to up it I remind him nicely 'you told me up to you "

I found up to 12 hours direct flight is blessing but more than that actually I like some kind of connection allowing to stretch legs for at least 2-3 hours in between planes

Perhaps something he considered better opportunity came along and not to lose face he manipulated you to throw him out instead of him quitting on you. Just my guess. As an example , I already reported in May 2015 case when I agreed to highest long time tip I ever paid and Tawan boy still at the last minute decided he must go with another customer leaving me in the dust. Whether he liked other guy better , he offered higher tip or was ordered to drop me my the management is irrelevant. If you really like the boy , nothing stops you from offing him next trip although my advice would be again, forget about him and move on.

Sure , do to character flaws vinapu doesn't like to receive neither favors nor gifts

always keep in mind that if there's a key it may be second one somewhere. It did not dawn on me until few years ago in one of places with lockers, now defunct , boy told me not to leave any money there.

He had correct understanding of his situation that he is just hired help and probably did not even think about trying to force himself upon you as a boyfriend. Win win situation , you could spend your vacations way you like , boy got an income and short paid time off from bar. From time to time we need to make sure that we are in control of our own agenda and if taking boy with us for few days we better make sure it was OUR idea , not boy's so we don't have anybody to blame if things will not go according to specification.

and this is perfectly OK, after all we have our own priorities and not necessarily they must be similar to those shared by general population. No need to follow herd and conventional wisdom.

this brings us to question of security of valuables at those shops. We are not in control of our possessions while in the shower and also when we are massaged face down. While I never encountered any problems in my zillion+ massages from time to time there are reports of something missing, not even necessarily credible.* So my advise will be don't take with you more than you think you need plus perhaps 500 baht just in case. * ( I was once witness of big commotion at Rays with departing guest accusing theft from safety box. Later it turned out he found money somewhere in his luggage and admitted to being fool in one of our forums ).

don't sweat this stuff who was at fault, what counts is that you managed to shake him off and don't look back unless you like to be manipulated. It did not work, so be it. move on. It happened before and will happen again to most of us. Sometimes we learn why , sometimes it will be mystery forever, yes, it's disappointing but so is twice - weekly lottery draw and we are still playing

quite a jump down from Dusit Thani to Nantra Silom

there's a limit to any idiocy.

Two years ago I took BBB boy from Pattaya to Bkk for just 5 days but this was his idea not mine and we negotiated conditions up front including guaranteed at least 2 nights together for an extra charge on top of his daily rate. He wasn't completely unknown to me because we spent together 4 previous nights He even gave me 'permission ' to bring other boys at will and offered he will be sleeping on the floor in such a case ( I rented him cheap room in hotel nearby to avoid such indignity ). It went relatively well as we both kept our sides of bargain as I made sure every day we parted ways for few hours just to have breathing space but still we had few moments of tension as he found sightseeing of Grand Palace and Muang Boran boring and was complaining that I'm too generous to boy I hired to crowd our bed one night. After 5 days it seemed we were both relieved it's over. In Ekkamai after boarding the bus he did not even bother to check if I'm still on the platform ( I was with one or two tears until bus departed ). In retrospect after returning home I thought and still do that those inconveniences were minor and probably with do the same. Main trade - you have body , I have money worked without a glitch and even if I spent fortune on him that trip I'm still smiling. My prescription for a success of such undertaking would be: set clearly your expectations and let him freely express his ( I will be seeing other boys , he wanted at least 3 paid nights together , I promised 2 but we still had three) set compensation in stone and don't let him to try to extract more money unless you are OK with that make sure each of you has some free time every day if you are dining separately make sure you provide him with some money so he can his meal on you which would be case anyways if you were to dine together respect his limits and ensure he observes yours ( he preferred to shower separately , I wanted TV to be off all the time we are together in the room )