Vessey

Absolutely; not so sure about the 'about to die' bit I hope quite yet, but certainly the 'last of the summer wine' bit. I am content to grow old as happily and disgracefully as my health and wealth will allow.

Ok, first of all apologies for being a bit of a 'drama queen' with my last post, but Kokopelli's attacks left me feeling entirely discouraged from posting any more - as no doubt they were intended to. But, on reflection, I probably need to 'grow a pair', stop allowing myself to feel intimidated by him, and instead tackle his attacks head on. First, the police are undoubtedly fully aware of what goes on behind the door of most bars; they are not new establishments and this is Pattaya after all. If they are intent on a raid my guess is that it would be for far more lucrative reasons than simply responding to reports made on a small internet forum. Secondly, the boys photographs. Did I explicitly tell them that I would post them on an internet forum? No I did not, but I always tell them that I 'show friends' and they are happy with that. In doing so I probably do more than most who post pictures of boys/girls on forums. Am I being hypocritical in then blanking out my own picture - probably - I also did so on my last trip report. I do post my TRs on other forums where I am far less shy about my own face appearing, but I have been a member there for far longer on both forums and I have now a greater confidence that what is posted on the forum stays on the forum. When I have the same confidence here you are all welcome to see my 'ugly mug' - trust me you are not missing much. So why do I post a trip report anywhere, not just here? In the main it is because I had a great holiday and want to share my experiences with what I hope are like-minded people. In turn I read other TRs and love to share vicariously in their holidays. In this post that Kokopelli has been so very critical of, I have related my visits to four establishments and in each case I had a great time and met some lovely people. I have neither said anything bad about any of these establishments, nor about any of the boys; quite the contrary in fact. If as a consequence others feel encouraged to visit these same places and maybe spend time and money with some of the same boys - isn't that a large part of what this forum is about? - sharing experiences? Sunee Plaza seemed to me to be in a serious state of decline at the moment, with far more premises lying dark and closed than open. Even within the ones that were open customers seemed few and far-between, and most of the boys desperate for a bit of attention and spend. If people enjoy my trip reports then of course I feel personally gratified, but if as a consequence I have played a small part in encouraging others to seek out these same places, they I would feel doubly gratified. So Kokopelli I shall continue to post and if you feel that my posts contravene the rules of this forum then please go ahead report them for moderation, or better still just ignore this thread if the contents offend you that much.

Ok, I give-in, I am out of here. End of Trip Report!

Vessey's August Adventures: Part One – In and Around Sunee Plaza I have decided against putting a full trip report this forum for this holiday. Two reasons, first there was much that would be of little interest here I think, and secondly I was hero-ed last time with one of my favourite boys and although 'relations' were restored with him and I was indeed to see him many times this trip – I don't want to put that at risk a second time. So instead I shall post two or three cameos – mini trip reports where I shall take extracts from my daily diary that relates to particular areas. This, the first, is an easy one; Sunee Plaza and it's wider environs. Next one next week. (Google Images) Day 2, Wednesday 17th August I had arranged to meet an American friend at Retox Bar in Soi Honey 7pm for dinner. It was a pleasant and comparatively inexpensive meal and just gone 8pm when we said our goodbyes and I decided that I would go and spend an hour or two in Sunee Plaza before returning to Soi 6. So going back to Second Road I took a taxi-bike to Soi VC Hotel. Alighting I walked up Soi VC until I got to the right hand turning into Sunee Plaza. There just up on the right is Good Boys. It is a poorly lit little soi and although there were four or five boys sitting outside at Good Boys, you needed to get quite close to see what they look like. Most did not appeal, but one boy did. I have been to this little bar a couple of times before now and knew what the routine was. In the centre of the bar is the bar itself and behind the bar are some screens that shield a couple of largish plastic covered (easily wipeable LOL) sofas facing each other separated by a low rectangular table. We both sat down together on the black sofa and introduced each other; his name was Ched. He asked what I wanted to drink, San Miguel of course and I offered him one. Ched returns a short while later and sits back down next to me, we clink bottles and he sits up, unbuckles his trousers and slides them and his pants down to his ankles and bloody hell what a monster cock this lad has. This is the typical M.O. for this bar, you buy the lad a drink he gets his cock out. You wank or suck him off and then you give him a 300 baht tip. But it was going to take some effort to get Ched off, I leaned across to take the head of his cock into my mouth and I almost needed both hands on his shaft. I came up for air and hinted that my cock needed attention. I asked if it was ok for me to get my cock out – yes apparently that was quite ok. So I was stroking my cock with my left hand and Ched's with my right hand and leaning across to suck on the head of his monster cock. I come up for air again and this time he uses his left hand to take over on my cock. Great fun but no sign of a cum for either of us. He gets out his phone and is soon watching porn (hetro porn!) and taking over wanking his own cock. After a couple of minutes he indicates that he is about to cum – I lean across and open my mouth. He wants to know if I want to cum – and actually I don't really – not yet. So I check bin, 300 baht for the two drinks and 300 baht tip to Ched for which he seems very happy and wants to see me again (and he does!). Meanwhile I am all zipped back up again and good to go. Not that I went all that much further, I was heading to Eros Boys, the 'Windmill' of Sunee Plaza. Twelve months ago I had had a fantastic experience in here and was keen to replicate it again tonight if I could – and, as events unfolded, indeed I could! It was around 9pm when I approached Eros Bar and there were only two or three boys sitting outside, but one flashed me a nice smile and led me inside and round to the left to a screened seat facing across the bar. There were two or three other customers in there but each with a single boy with them. I sat down and 'Outside Boy' asked me if I would like a drink and so I offered one to him too, then four more baht hungry boys come and stand facing me each with those over large, baggy, nylon pants. They were each either stroking their cocks inside their pants or had whipped their cocks out and were stroking them, and they included the blond lad, Ray, from last year. Ok so get them drinks as well then. Drinks arrive and clink glasses and then all the boys have their cocks out apart from Outside Boy. I am invited to stroke each one in turn. I make to straighten my own cock under my trousers – the hint is appreciated and soon the boy sitting on my right is undoing my trousers and taking out my cock, and now they all want to take turns stroking my cock. There is a grunt and one boy cums – just missing my trousers; he slides back and the others close ranks around me. (Outside boy is on the front left in white pants, Tao is on the far right leaning forward and in yellow pants) One of these boys has a nice thick cock and a killer smile and is trying to encourage me to stroke his cock while he strokes mine; I like him. So when the boy on my left goes to the toilet, I invite this other lad to come and sit next to me, his name is Tao. I lean across and suck his cock a bit and then he leans across and starts to suck mine – he is good. So now I am sitting there with one boy sucking my cock while I wank two others. Then Tao sits up and starts to kiss me, he is a smoker, but wow does he kiss, with his tongue half way down my throat. At the same time, Outside Boy, still with his cock hidden away, moves to kneel in front of me and take over the BJ and he is very good. Another guy cums messily over the back of Outside Boy but he seems not to notice and continues with his task. Swap around again as a third guy cums, its just Tao and Outside Boy left to cum now. Tao takes over sucking my cock while outside Boy strokes my shaft and plays with my balls. One of the other boys has taken over kissing me while another plays with my nipples. Did I cum?, of course I bloody did. My first spurt hits the back of Tao's mouth and he pulls back while Outside Boy keeps stroking, and consequently the bulk of my cum sprays across Tao's face. That was intense and something I had been dreaming of doing again for almost a year. If anything this was even better than the first time. Lots of tissues to mop-up, meanwhile I get Tao's phone number and promise to ring him (and I do!). My knees were still trembling slightly when I called for check bin. I think I ended up buying seven drinks which was just over 1 k baht. I wanted to tip 500 baht to Tao and 300 baht to the other boys. So the whole of that session in Eros Boys took just under an hour and cost around 3k baht; and for me the experience was worth every single baht of that. With that I totter out of Eros and through Sunee Plaza itself, mostly quite dead but a couple of half open bars – saw at least one other cute boy. More to do in Sunee Plaza I think! I walk down Soi VC and across to the soi that leads down past JP Bar and onto Walking Street. I call in briefly at Sugar Baby to say hello to manager 'Mr Egg' and catch up with his gossip. Day 3, Thursday 18th August. So back up to Buakhao and as evening falls I get a taxi bike to Sunee Plaza; thought I would try my hand again (so to speak) in Good Boys, but no signs of Ched and nor of anyone else that piqued my interest. Ok so up to Eros to see if that boy from last night, Tao was there. Yes he was but he was 'busy' with a customer. He saw me and came out briefly to apologise and suggest that I wait for him. But by this time I had proper got the hump and told him that I would phone him soon (which I did). Day 7, Monday 22nd of August - the end of my first week So at 1.30pm I go down to Horny Bar for a quick drink of water and to catch-up with mail. Then a taxi-bike to Sunee Plaza, I want to explore the massage shops around there a little more. Sunee Plaza was even more dead this time of the day that it has been at night, but I was able to take some pictures of places – except Good Boys, that little soi remains in shadow even when the rest of the area is bathed in daylight! LOL (never seen this vehicle about?) I couldn't see any massage shop around Sunee Plaza, so I wended my way through unfamilar streets until I found myself on Pattaya Tai, I turned right and walked the relatively short distance towards Tukom and then turned into the little soi alongside it and up to Condo's old shop. I didn't dwell here or even look in, he still has friends here and word would get back to him quickly. I carried on past and then had a meander around, there were one or two small shops, but nothing, or rather, nobody that caused me to break my step and pause. I was beginning to despair, this was new territory and I was feeling horny with anticipation. Then I came across a name that I recognised from Forum discussion, Royal House Massage, 'massage by men' as the sign said. It was, from the outside at least deserted, although a door to the side was ajar. Now given that it was just past 3pm it was always entirely possible that it just wasn't open yet. But as I had heard good things about the place I decided to venture through the open door and see what was inside. It was fairly dark inside but the odd table light suggested that there were signs of life, but I proceeded cautiously, there was a large square open bar area set about with unoccupied tables and chairs. A guy appeared and I asked if they were open?, yes they were. I could see another guy stretched out asleep on a bench and then a third guy appears from the stairway leading out a customer. The first guy fetches me a glass of water, it was a very hot day and I was dripping with sweat by now, and he tells me that there were the three of them here now if I wanted a massage. I looked around; stay or go? The sleeping guy was the only one who in any way approximated to a 'boy' and then only because of the poor lighting I suspected. But I was here now, the rest of this little expedition had been a disappointment and I was still feeling horny as hell. I nod towards the sleeping guy who comes over. The first guy tells me that its going to cost me 1k baht for the sex and 400 baht for the massage, apparently the guy that I have chosen speaks no English, but instead smiles at me: I agree! So he leads me upstairs, its quite a wide grand old staircase, indeed I suspect that this was quite a posh building in its heyday. Up one flight of stairs and then another, to a small room with toilet and a pair of showers outside just off the landing. We go into the room and each strip off and go shower, separately. Being new to this place and having phone and money in my trousers I leave the shower curtain open, but I need not have worried, we were alone up here. Back to the room and try and establish his name, Giff or Gipp I think – I shall choose Gipp. I take off my towel and lie face-down on the massage table, Gipp keep his towel wrapped around him and begins the oil massage of my legs. He is good, not in my usual massage boy's league, but good. As he gets to the top of each leg, he is massaging around my bum and oiling my bum hole at the same time. Then my back, and a good, strong relaxing massage. He motions me to turn over, my cock is hard of course; he ignores it and does the front of my legs and around my groin and balls and then I feel him oil my cock and start to give me a HJ. Actually his HJ was really good, almost like my regular massage boy's, light fingered teasing around the head of my cock and playing with my pre-cum. Then I feel him oiling my bum hole again at the same time and raising my knees. Now at this point (he had no English remember) it dawned on me that we hadn't discussed who was going to be doing what to whom. Then I saw him open a condom, but as it wasn't me he was fitting it on, it confirmed that that was something of an omission on my part. And keep in mind in the half-light of the room it was difficult to see more than silhouettes and that he had kept his towel around him up until now, so I had absolutely no idea how big his cock was, but I realised that I was about to discover how big it felt. Oh well I was majorly horny and the uncertainly and unfamiliarity of it all was only adding to my sexual tension. I parted my legs a little further and tried to relax. And bless him, Giff proceeded very slowly and with lots of oil, wanking me gently as he did so. It was difficult, even painful at first, but he was gentle and patient, and actually once he was inside it started to feel real good. Indeed although initially I felt grateful for the legendary smallness of Thai cocks, in the end I was pushing back hard to get him in a little deeper. OMG what is happening to me! LOL Being fucked and wanked at the same time I did not last long and I cum with flashing stars in my eyes and trumpets in my head. A short while later, he is slowly slipping out of me, condom off, sitting across my chest, wanking furiously and a few seconds later spraying cum all over me. Now for the first time I get a good look at his cock, not quite as big as Vits and with an upward curve. I suspect that, given the curve of his cock, that the head of his cock had been in contact with my prostate as he fucked me, perhaps explaining why it felt so good. But given his tiny balls, lord alone knows where all that cum of his came from. He mops me up and we shower. I pay him his tip and then give him 500 baht for the massage. Downstairs I am given my 100 baht change and I give it to the guy that got me the glass of water. Overall that was a great experience, especially given the limited choice of masseurs and the limited sex options. I am out into the sunshine and the searing heat, and get a taxi-bike back to Soi 6 and am back in my hotel room by 4pm. So something new done today. I stretch out on the bed and doze for a while. Day 8, Tuesday 23rd August Follwing a ball-emptying Short Time with my friend Vit whe had gone together to the Jontiem Complex to drink with one of his friends. Check-bin time and walking back up to the main road Vit suggested a Songtaw and indeed there were three other farang waiting and within a couple of minutes a Songtaw hoves into view, sees us and indicates to pull over. As we journey I ask Vit if he has been to Sunee Plaza, no and he would like to go. So we ring the bell as we approach the VC Hotel and, braving crossing the road, we head up to Soi VC towards Sunee Plaza. Looking back, quite why I thought this was a good idea I shall never know. Anyhow, as ever most places were in darkness, but there was a gaggle of boys outside Eros, I suggest a drink in there; again quite why I thought that a good idea I don't know. The lads outside seemed unsure what to do when they saw me approaching with Vit, and only a couple followed me inside. Seated they looked hopefully for a drink, I disappointed them saying I was only here for a quick drink. Blond haired Ray was not to be put off, he comes over and introduces himself to Vit first before greeting me; ok he gets a drink. So I am sitting closely next to Vit while Ray sits opposite us on a small padded platform. We clink drinks and Ray gets his cock out and starts to stroke it, Vit looks a little stunned. We keep drinking, Vit wants to go to the toilet, Ray seizes his chance and comes to sit next to me and places my hand on his cock. Damn this could so easily all go wrong. I slip him 100 baht and say not today, maybe tomorrow, he takes the hint and is back on his seat with his cock put away before Vit returns. We drink-up and I pay-up and we go. Taxi-bikes to X-Boys again, for their midnight show. Day 14, Monday 29th August So 8pm arrives and Lee and I go our separate ways. Now I really have no idea at this point in time about what I want to do for the next few hours. I am seeing Vit at about 1.30pm for long time tonight when his bar closes, but until then? Perhaps I will try my hand again (so to speak) at Goodboys off Soi VC?. So I get a songtaw to Walking Street, have a wander up Walking Street taking a few pictures as I go, up past JP bar and out up to Second Road and across to the VC hotel and up soi VC. Sadly at Goodboys there were only a couple of figures standing outside as I approached, neither of which could, with any honesty, be described as boys. So I passed by and into Sunnee Plaza itself. I looked briefly into Eros, to see if Tao was there - he wasn't so I moved on from there too. I was walking forlornly though a largely closed and unlit Sunee Plaza until I was walking past Ting Tong Bar on the left, and across opposite just on the other side of the soi were a few old sofas and the sign Ting Tong Beach scrawled on a board. A number of boys looked up hopefully, but not my type. One sitting down playing with his Iphone looked a little more promising. He looked up, saw me staring at him, smiled and got up and came over to me. Close-up I am not sure he was my type either but it would seem rude now not to offer him a drink and I could do with a sit-down myself I suppose. So we walk the couple of steps over to his bar and sit in some of the light seating out front. There were a couple of other customers there who briefly eyed me up and then got back on talking to their boys. This lad introduces himself to me as 'Chun', he is friendly and personable, but if I am honest at the far end of my acceptable 'twink spectrum'. He tells me how pleased he is to meet me as he hasn't had a customer for several days now, which, given the generally moribund, depressed air of Sunee Plaza at the moment, might actually be true. Now I am feeling a degree of guilt because I was intending to drink up and go, but here was this lad hoping I would feed him for the next few days. Oh well, I ask about short-time, yes he would like very much, and yes they have short-time rooms above the bar (it's Ting Tong 'Bar and Guesthouse'). Ok, barfine 300 I think it was and 400 for the room – the total was certainly 700 baht and he would want 1k baht as a tip. Was he gay? – yes he was, ok so top or bottom?, 50:50 he does both. Ok so we finish our drinks and check bin, which, with drinks, was fractionally under 1k baht. And so we head upstairs to our passion palace for the next hour, or more accurately Room 3 on the Second Floor. I shower, as does he and he proves friendly and accommodating, and, huge plus for me, he kisses properly. HJs together, and BJs together, his cock is quite big, as long as mine but not quite as thick as mine – still quite a mouthful! Boom Boom time and I am going to fuck him, and I have a falang sized condom that I have now taken to carrying about in my wallet. I stand him up and bend him over, and apply plenty of lube. And actually his ass opens up without too much difficulty and I can not only get balls-deep inside his ass I can actually give it the best pounding I can and he is pushing back onto me all the time. We try different positions until my condomed cock starts to loose its hardness and I cannot get back inside him any more. I do manage to get him to cum however, but I cant. We both shower again and he is paid and just before 22.00 I am leaving his bar and discovering that it has just started to rain again. Ok, at the end of the Soi I get a taxi-bike. I ask for Soi Diamond. Soon we are crossing Second Road and down the back entrance into Soi Diamond scattering tourists as our bike ploughs its way down the narrow walkway. It deposits me close to the steps up to 'Heaven Above agogo' . From there I retrace my steps into Windmill for an hour of happy, hands-on debauchery there. Day 15, Tuesday 30th August It has past 7pm when I surface, shower and find a change of shirt for the evening. By 7.40pm one of the hotel the taxi-bikes has dropped me off a little way up Soi VC and I walk the short distance to Sunee Plaza. Why I don't just get the bike to drop me off at Sunee Plaza I don't know; by now they all know where I would be heading. I had had an exchange of messages and then a phone call with Tao who I met at Eros early in my first week. I was fed up of looking in for him and him not being there. So yes he would be there tonight and I would meet him at 8pm. So it was slightly irritating when I past alongside Good Boys that I saw Ched standing outside. He recognised me and was trying to get me inside. I made my excuses and said that I would try and look in later if I could. I kept going around the corner and then turned right towards Eros, it wasn't quite 8pm and there were a gaggle of boys stood outside. I asked if Tao was there, he was, standing right in front of me with his back to me. He turned around and I instantly recognised the slightly untidy shock of hair and the big lazy smile. He takes my hand and leads me inside. Other boys recognise me and start to gather around. In vain to I try to explain that I an here to barfine Tao for a short-time. Drink for Tao and myself – lots of kisses (why is it the smokers that are the most willing and best kissers). The other boys are being persistent, even with the lack of a drink, most have their cocks out now, stroking them hopefully. If I don't watch it I shall get trapped here. Ok so check bin now with barfine. My bin is 500 baht (not sure how that worked out), but I give 1k baht and ask that the 500 baht change is shared between the 5 boys busy wanking in front of me at the moment. Everybody looks confused, but Ray shows up, understands and tell the boys who are now all smiling happily. Ok so Tao is now mine for a couple of hours. I am not sure that I want to take him back to Soi 6 and parade him through the Queen Victoria. Are there short-time rooms available here – 'yes have' he says brightly. By that he means that if we walk together to the end of the plaza there is a hotel on the corner who will rent us a room for 400 baht. Forget the name of the hotel, but, a bit like the Carlton, there was a sense of a posh hotel that has fallen on hard times. The receptionist looked bored and disinterested in us, she took the money and handed Tao the key without even seeming to look up. The room, when we found it, lived up to the rest of the hotel, clean and tidy but tired looking. And talking of tired looking, I noticed that Tao seemed to be struggling to stay awake. We undress, the room has a shower and toilet but the water is cold and there is no soap. At least the cold water refreshes Tao for a while and onto the bed we fall, he is a passionate kisser and his body is lean and hard and – so too is his cock. Its as long as mine but not quite so thick. I can get his cock hard for him, but I can't keep it hard. He is a top rather than a bottom, but he is never going to get a condom on that cock unless it can stay hard. I do my best and he is receptive and willing, but sadly his cock isn't. He does his best to give me a BJ and makes a good start, but blow me he is starting to fall asleep as he does it. The condom resting on the bed starts to look superfluous. I try and get him to talk, he is very sorry but he had almost no sleep last night and has been changing rooms today. He says he is 21 and married, but just separated from his wife and young child, and he is now trying to hold down three jobs at the moment to support them and make ends meet in low season. Most worrying is his first job; he apparently is hired to drive an airport taxi during the day. From 8pm he does a stint at Eros and then at 1am when Eros closes he goes to work in a Thai Karaoke Bar. He only had two hours sleep yesterday. And yes he has taxi bookings for tomorrow! I was disappointed, but how could I be angry with him. I offer to pay for the room overnight for him and let him sleep but he says he cannot. We don't bother with a shower but I have to help him dress as he is almost 'gone' to the point of collapse. I pay him the 1k baht I promised which gets me a large sleepy kiss and then I help him downstairs, hand over the room key and steady him as he totters back to Eros. I shall not go inside with him – I would be trapped if I did and fun though that would be I had other plans tonight. So I pass Tao into their care and head back in the general direction of Good Boys. My luck was in, although Ched wasn't immediately visible, when I asked he was behind the bar. So in I go to see him. He takes my drink order and prepares one for himself as well. Meanwhile I go to the couches hidden behind the back of the bar and sit in the middle of the black one. Ched brings the drinks over and before he sits down, he unbuckles his trousers and fishes out his cock, large, fat and flacid. I lean across and attempt to give it the kiss of life; it works and so his anaconda swells and stiffens – it is enormous. It takes both hands to stroke him properly and my mouth is at stretching point. Then his friend shows up and stands watching us, I break free to do introductions and shake his hand. He tells me that he is just as big, and to prove it drops his trousers and pants – actually he is not as big as Ched, but no far off. Good job my cock is safely tucked away as it would be feeling very inadequate right now. Ok so a drink for the friend as well, I forget his name, and now I have one hand on each cock and am switching across, first sucking on one cock and then the other. Ched has his phone out with his 'hetro' porn showing. Ched is the first to cum and I almost gag; he passes me a handful of tissues and then goes to the toilet to tidy -up. Ok so now I can concentrate on the friend, who is only a couple of minutes behind him in cumming. Ched has returned to watch. Ched's cum tastes sweeter! Ok I pay for the drinks and 300 baht apiece for Ched and his friend and both are happy with that, so total cost fractionally under 1 k baht – which I leave as a bar tip. I try to get a picture but they are friendly but firm about no photographs at all – and actually I can understand that. I walk back down Soi VC and slowly and cautiously negotiate crossing Second Road, endless traffic in both directions and motor-bikes zipping in and out in all directions. Eventually I cross and down past JP Bar and into Walking Street. Day 17, Thursday 1st September. It was 7pm when I left Horny Bar to go back to the hotel to rest a short while, baht-up, and plan the evenings entertainment. Perhaps another visit to Good Boys to start with? The end plan was to collect Vit for another long-time; but you know what they say about Pattaya and 'plans' LOL (Google Images) Ok, so first a taxi-bike to Soi VC, and no shame now, dropping me off right outside Sunee Plaza. The short walk along the gloomy little soi to Good Boys. Ched is there and rises from his chair to greet me and in we go, the other guy appears from nowhere to join us again. Drinks all round and then both sit either side of me on the sofa and drop their jeans and pants to their knees. Both cocks are soft, but not for long. For some reason the light is a little better and taking their cocks in each hand I can now better compare the two. Ched's is the longest and thick and totally bigger than mine. Others guys is not quite so long, but a little thicker than Ched's, although Ched has the bigger 'head'. There; I thought you needed to know that. So there I sit, stroking a cock in each hand while they drink their beers, but other guy, lifts my beer to my mouth so that I can drink and continue to stroke them both – now there's thoughtful! LOL Ok, now the tricky part is to be able to lean over and suck on one while still stroking the other – and actually I couldn't. So each took over their own cocks while I was busy with the other. Naturally I was as horny as hell, so I unbuckled and unzipped my trousers and took my own cock out. I could stroke mine while I sucked on one of their cocks, no problem. So three of us and three cocks on the go – this could get messy LOL And it did! Ched was the first to cum, I was busy with Other Guy at the time but quickly swapped my attentions and just in time too. He goes off to clean himself up while I concentrate on Other Guy, and he takes a while longer meanwhile Ched has returned and strokes my cock as I finally get Other Guy to cum, then they both together focus on my cock, Ched on the cock itself and Other Guy on my balls and bum. I tell them I am close and they quicken the pace and bingo!, there it goes, all over their nice leatherette sofa and table. Much wiping down of us and the furniture. And then with a clink of glasses we finish our drinks. Zip myself up again and check bin, that was the best session I have had there yet! I pay for the drinks and then hand Ched a 1k baht note and indicate that it is to be split between him and Other Guy; they both understand and smile and nod in thanks. I suppose I could have gotten away with 300 baht each again, but they had successfully gotten me off as well and that deserved a little extra I thought. I was also thinking that this maybe the last time that I get to this bar this holiday as I was now coming to the last few days and Condo would be here again soon. Out of Good Boys and onto the corner onto Soi VC and a taxi-bike to Boyztown to barfine and collect Vit for Long Time again as arranged.

Condoms at Good Boys? Exactly how far CAN you go in there? I thought I was pushing it with blow-jobs LOL

I cant believe that I am so late to this great thread, well written and 'informative' LOL My trip last August included numerous visits to Good Boys and Chet/Ched (I had him down as Ched), but lovely guy, enormous cock - must be the same one. He was always more than happy for me to replace my hand with my mouth to finish him. Several visits to Eros as well. So easy to spend money, but what great value-for-money you get at both places!

I am no expert/techie but I have the bulk of my porn stash stored on an external hard drive. They are quite cheap these days.

Yes, I think there are many variables. If it is a first-time barfine then yes I may see them down to reception and give them taxi fare, If its a regular and they are heading home/bar then I just give them taxi-fare. Sometimes I am heading back out with them anyway for a drink or out somewhere to eat, Sometimes they have done their 'job' so well that I am still lying there in a pool of sweat breathing hard - those are the best ones! LOL

I usually tip, but I must confess I am a little less altruistic than some of you guys. Yes I can tip with gratitude, but more often it is a less selfless motivation than that. I will tip the room maid, because she will leave me extra towels each morning if I do, or will clean my room even when she is finishing-up if I have had a late night. I will tip the hotel waitresses, because when I have all-but thrown the bloody DVD out of the balcony window because I can't get the bloody thing to work and I phone downstairs for help. She will arrive with a frown, flick the simple switch that I had completely missed, but with a small tip she leaves with a smile. My favourite restaurant I will tip well so they remember me and next time will find me the better table and I wont have to wait too long to get served. I will tip the young waiters in my favourite agogos - they will always find me and my guest-of-the-night a seat no matter how crowded it is inside. Etc.etc. So I don't tip because I am a saint(although I do try to be LOL), I tip because I will usually get better service for doing so. Same same with the lads I drink with, flirt with, barfine, etc. - but that's probably for another thread.

This last holiday I was paying boys tips of 1k to 1.5k for short-time from Eros/Toy Boys, and 2-3k for long-time from Toy Boys and X-Boys. I was quoted 2.5k for short-time at BoyzBoyzBoyz but that was an 'all-in' price for using their short-time room. Didn't act on it (sadly) as other things intervened. Not saying that is standard by any means, just what I paid - maybe I paid too much? - they were certainly keen to ensure I was happy with them and that I would want to see them again! LOL By way of comparison girls from the beer bars and clubs 2-3k baht for long-time would be regarded as the norm now and accepting that in the agogos, prices could be substantially higher. Some of the Sapphire show girls have been asking crazy money even for short-times in recent months.

It seems that there may be official announcements from tomorrow onwards about mourning arrangements and how those might impact, inter alia, on local business and entertainment venues. Hopefully those will lend some clarity about how they will affect the situation 'on the ground' for Thais and farang alike.

I am being told that an official announcement is imminent.

Many of the Thailand/Pattaya forums are monitored, Thailand's Lese-Majeste laws are strict and rigorously enforced, Rumors and hoaxes abound at the moment, if there is any news, best wait for announcements by the Royal Household Bureau.

Good Boys was active this last August, despite (or perhaps because of) the gloom of the little soi it sits on - dark places for dark deeds. In particular a lad called Ched who had an absolute whopper to play with - a real two hander LOL

By all accounts the 'visible' sex trade that we enjoy as 'Farang' is dwarfed by the Thai sex trade which is far less visible. My point is that there will always be sex for sale, but we may have to look harder to find it. Even if it does become more elusive it will still beat my celibate existence back home LOL

My 'wildest' thing so far, is pretty tame really I suppose. I have had two good nights in Eros, this picture from the last visit. Cocks out, stroked, handled and sucked, mine and a couple of theirs, with most of them cumming. About 3k baht for drinks and tips. Fantasy wise; ah so many, but to return to Eros and the group of boys above, I would have so loved to have taken it to another level, moving from BJs in the bar to a 'condom moment' - (or five!) - right there in the bar.

I think that you raise some really interesting issues here, but I wonder if they don't merit their own thread as we are wandering some way from the opening post on this thread. But in summation: bar closures - is going on all the time, but they mostly re-open and someone tries again under a different bar name. There are wider trends perhaps above all that. On-line traffic - Facebook yes, and maybe other avenues - ladyboys are particularly adept at the internet opportunities to expand their customer base. Plump ladies, yes overall there is a trend in that direction, but turn-over also ensures a ready supply of young 'spinners' 'off the bus' each week.

Humm - femboys who are 'sluts' - let me think about that for a nano-second - ah yes, Eros! One of my now favorite places in Pattaya and now one of the last remaining jewels in the Crown of Sunee Plaza.

Yes Pattaya Addicts (currently 108k members) and the Pattaya Ladyboy Forum (currently 67k members); keep in mind I am bi-sexual LOL Both differ from each other in the character of their respective forums and in turn differ markedly from this one. Not saying that any one is better than the other - they cater for different markets - and they just differ.

Moderation effectively shapes both both the character and direction of a forum. I post on three forums these days and the character of each differs as does their moderation. This is, by far, the smallest of the three and still retains that 'family of like-minded friends' feel to it. And I feel privileged to be part of it. But every now and then someone has to be sent home from the party if they are spoiling it for others. As others have said there is always a balance to be struck between building content and membership and retaining what's best about its current character.

I haven't explored all of Pattaya by a long chalk, but based on my recent trip, in Boyztown both Toy Boys and Cupidol would be good places to start - they are both stuffed with them.

There does seem to be a 'gap in the market' here for daytime short-times. In the girl environment opportunities abound, with many, many short-time bars open from mid-day onwards, and quite a number of 'gentlemen's clubs' tucked away here and there that offer opportunites for an 'afternoon delight'. But so far, apart from the places mentioned above, I am not (yet) aware of any similar opportunities to meet boys in the afternoons.

For me the important thing is being able to communicate with my friends the best I can. There are some Thais whose English is fluent/conversational, but not many; there are some who, being relatively new to the game, have virtually no English at all, and then there are those in the middle with a varying smattering of English. So I will adapt to whoever I am talking to, mostly its Tinglish. I certainly dont see that as being condescending it is just a practical compromise to communication. I had a ladyboy GF for a while who was a deaf-mute and we still managed a degree of communication, made-up sign language, emoticons on the phone, etc. etc.. The ability, at whatever level, to communicate with my barfines makes a big difference to my enjoyment of the experience (although if the sex is great all is forgiven of course). I try and keep in mind that poor though their English may be, it is still better than my Thai!

I think it was 260 baht for a San Miguel and even 200 baht for a coke, that puts it higher than any other boys bar I have encountered in Pattaya and on a par, or even marginally higher than the prices in the top girl agogos on Walking Street. I have zero experience of the boy bars of Bangkok and if their drink prices are indeed even higher then my experience is likely to remain at zero.

I was tipping the boys that came and sat with me in Toy Boys, in Boyztown. Despite the horrendous price of their drinks I gather the boys only got 20 baht per drink - I don't know if anyone can confirm that? But if they just sat and had a drink with me and chatted, then I gave 100 baht tip. If I had had a fondle of their cock then I gave 200 baht. (Given that I would give the Good Boys boys 300 baht to stroke their cocks, that seemed to me to be reasonable in comparison). So in Toy Boys I would last the first round of drinks and tip, rather than buy a second round of drinks. Saved me money and the boys got more. So why did I drink there if it was so expensive? - because it was Twink Heaven - that's why (and of course because my beloved Vit worked there LOL).