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This topic has generated a lot of well-considered and thoughtful responses, articulating sometimes differing points of view, and, therefore I would like to modify/amplify some of my earlier comments. I accept there is a difference between bar owners and owners of other gay-related businesses trying to promote themselves, and the bloggers/you-tubers etec who walk up and down with their cameras recording, for example, people walking around the Jomtien Complex, or sitting inside the open bars etc. We might like to think of gay-bar owners naturally wanting to promote themselves using whatever social media is available to them in order to create more business both from those potential customers actually living-in or currently visiting Pattaya, and perhaps also those perhaps considering their first visit. But as we know most prove very poor at it, and with Thai owners/managers, language may still be a practical inhibitor. IMHO, currently the best and most prolific promotors are the major karaoke bars and massage shops that pump out stills/clips/live from their premises focussing on the many handsome boys currently on their staff, smiling, and waving at the camera as it passes. (Line groups from some of the BKK Massage/Sauna businesses are FAR more explicit in showing you exactly what each boy has to offer!) But, most of it is fully in Thai, captions, commentary, names, etc; we farang might be welcomed (more or less), but we are clearly not their target audience. I daily check out three Pattaya forums (I am Bi, I hasten to add); Pattaya Addicts (where I have been part of their Mod Team for the last 15 years), the Ladyboy Forum, and this one; I love all three in different measure. Of the three, this forum is by far the smallest, and also seems the most restrictive in terms of pictures, particularly pictures of the boys and the bars, (even when they are promotional pictures). For example, I can tell you that I met this really great lad in Bar X last night, who was also amazing in the room and I paid him x baht for his troubles. But currently I can't show you his picture (even fully clothed), or tell you his name, let alone share contact details (even when it is available on Hornet or similar). I understand the thinking behind that, and respect that (although its why I dont publish trip reports here any more), but it is in marked contrast to what regularly goes on on the other two forums. Traffic on this forum would be even smaller if we cut out all the unashamedly political posts; 50% of daily traffic here currently seems Trump related! 🤣. (By contrast PA bans any political posts completely.) I say all this by way of observation, and to support the probability that our activities and posts currently make very little difference to daily foot traffic across the gay bars of Pattaya; their fate lies pretty much entirely in their own hands, and so I do congratulate bar owners, like Charlie in Jomtien Complex, who do make efforts to promote themselves, their bars and their boys. His posts and video clips are what first got me into his bars. They are great fun in so many ways; I would show you if I could! 🤣

There is a balance to be struck somewhere, some people are desperate to avoid leaving behind any visible 'footprint' of their visits to gay bars, while other of us are less concerned. On the other hand we bewail the lack of customers and boys in Jomtien, especially in low season, and the consequent failure and closure of bars that we know and love. Some of us also bewail the lack of any effort of self-publicity by the bars themselves to promote themselves and their boys. In Soi 6, the girlie bars are always promoting themselves on social media, almost on a daily basis, highlighting the girls working there. Soi 6 is consequently always very busy, reaping the benefits of its publicity. Boy bars are so very far, far behind them in promoting themselves. My couple of boy spies working in Boyztown regularly report on activity there, often by video calls from their cameras, or rather the lack of customers there, and not just in low season. Toy Boys, for example, seems to have no social media presence at all. In Jomtien Complex, boss Charlie is an exception, promoting his highly popular M Bar, Gus Bar, Sunee Bar and now Jungle Bar which are (consequently perhaps) currently the busiest in the Soi. The massage shops in the Complex are also getting in on the act and now regularly appearing on social media. In contrast Facebook, TikTok are full of the various Pattaya karaoke bars promoting themselves, showing off the boys and their 'numbers'. A thriving gay bar culture in Pattaya/Jomtien needs visual publicity, but a consequence is that we, as customers, might end up getting caught up in that, even if only as a potentially identifiable bald-spot in the background of some bar 🤣 For me that is a price worth paying! 🥰

Must be because I literally just got one, and sadly I far from measure up! 🤣 I reported it as spam.

Boys are clearly getting prudish, they never used to bother hiding any manual or oral 'activity' with customers except up in the side-enclosed 'pulpit' where the action occasionally got full-on, or rather full-in! 🤣

I feel sorry for the boys that feel they need such enhancements. Once small Thai boy I know recently had such implants. He is a 'straight' karaoke boy, but with the misfortune of a very small penis; not so much an issue if you are primarily a 'bottom', but more of an issue if you are a 'top'. He had a couple of mooks and a wrap-around fat implant; looked awful poor lad. The shame is that he is a lovely, very handsome boy with a great, enthusiastic personality, and I will continue to keep seeing him not withstanding his 'shortcomings'. If I like the lad I will work with whatever they have got, big or small.

Maybe not the boy's fault rather than a greedy mamasan who was afterwards trying to extract some of his 'winnings' from him? In my experience a massage boy, happy with the way things went, would be keen to encourage you back again?

Lets hope some sort of work-around emerges given the large percentage of boys from Cambodia and Laos that populate the bars, particularly in Jomtien Complex for example. Many of my favourite boys could be effected and my boyfriend (Laos) is very concerned as he currently does regular bi-monthly visa runs. On the face of it (and until further practical details emerge), it would seem to me that they can either become seasonal visitors, or attempt to hide in plain sight and hope they don't get picked up? The cynic in me thinks that the police could do rather well out of this?

Likewise, I am overweight and over 70, so I guess there is still hope for me yet! 🤣 Roll-on my mext visit next year! 🥰

Thats a real shame, I was late to Sunee Plaza, first going in 2015, discovering the delights and debaucheries of Good Boys, Eros Bar, Winner Boys etc., although much of it was already engulfed in darkness. Since then the lights have progressively gone out as the darkness took over. Notwithstanding, I have some wonderful memories of Sunee, nowhere more so than Nice Boys. Drinks realistically priced, near naked boys on stage with helpfully loose-fitting underware that would fall to their knees the moment your eyes moved in their direction. 1000 baht note changed into hundreds, and an orderly succession of boys coming down off stage one at a time to have their cocks initmately inspected for a 100 baht tip. Chosen boys sitting next to you, their pants already down by their ankles as you ordered them a bar drink. Mamasan helpfully bringing over a toilet roll to 'mop-up' as you stroked/sucked the boy to completion. The boy getting up to go and clean-up (although I always tried to ensure that there wasn't that much cleaning-up left to do!), and other boys on stage looking hopefully, cocks already hard in their hands, hoping that they might be next to be called down! On many visits I would not leave empty-handed, taking at least one boy with me to help me back to my hotel 😅 And now this!; an over-greedy boss, with overpriced drinks, and fully clothed boys. I am hopefully returning next week for a holiday, so will probably visit at least once, if only for old-times-sake; but sadly it may be for just the one visit this time

And that is why we love Pattaya! 🥰

A couple of reminders of Winner Boys shortly after opening when Boss Paul was younger, healthier and more fired with enthusiasm (as indeed we all were back in the day). Only Nam (center of first pic with slightly darker skin) remains working there (occasionally); but he is still an absolute little star, and well-worth an off if you can find him - you will not be disappointed with him! Nowadays, you would be lucky to find more than two boys in the bar (or more usually sitting outside the bar). Paul remains, usually sitting outside, but sadly in poor health now. Closure has looked almost inevitable since Covid, but somehow it hangs on, and there is even scuttlebutt about a new investor! I hope to be back in Pattaya next month, and also hope to be able to provide a first-hand report from the bar once again! 🥰

In my experience most don't, but ... Again in my experience, yes some will, although they are hard to find, but they are certainly there to be found if you ask discretely, and often they do it very well. They are the 'keepers!' 😅 Same, same with straight boys and proper kissing!

My friends living there report that both are currently still open

Now I think more about it, I recall that Chet failed the army lottery and was conscripted for a year or maybe more?, thus disappearing from Good Boys before it closed. He had a mate who also had a huge cock, although a little bit smaller than Chets, who was also good fun! How do I know it was slightly smaller than Chets? Because I have happy memories of the two of them sitting either side of me in Good Boys, and having a cock in each hand But when I offed Chet from ABomb, it was after his return to civilian life, and he had rather let himself go a little, and now had a noticable paunch; but just as friendly as ever

I last saw him a few years ago now working In ABomb But no idea if he is still there on not?

Sanitary or salutary experiences? 😄 Maybe its because I am more into twinks, but clean, 'minty-fresh' and with (at least) hairless little asses to feast on. Pubic hairs caught in your teeth when you next smile is so NOT a good look! 😅 I do my best to keep me clean and sweet-smelling, and I expect no less of my boys. Ideally my clean white towels on the bed should still be clean and white at the end of the session, although the odd semen stain here and there is of course allowable 🤣

Looks promising, although well away from the main gay areas of Pattaya/Jomtien, I certainly does look very clean and new, although, that said, some of my best 'very happy endings' massages have been in poorly lit, grotty little massage rooms, but compensated by having a sexy and enthusiastic young lad to work on me 😅

I also plan to be in Pattaya in September Dancing in karaoke bars until daylight breaks ?

I believe that that particular ship has already sailed! With India/Pakistan, Ukraine/Russia, Gaza/Israel to 'his' credit (almost!) he must feel that that Nobel Peace Prize is (almost) within his grasp!

This is obviously worrying; I had rather naively hoped it would all have died down by now. Not just worrying for those directly involved of course, but also for its potential impact on the many Cambodian boys that currently work in Pattaya in massage and bars, etc. My Laos BF used to go monthly (bi-monthly now) to the Cambodian border to get his visa renewed, this last time he said he need to go back to Laos to do that, and of course he needed to fly as the bus journey was so long. No only did he fly there, he has decided to stay there a few days before flying back. Costing me a small fortune haha. A small group of other Laos boys working in the Complex, did pretty much the same thing, and like my BF are still in Laos for a while longer at least (I know one of the lads farang BF who, like me, has had to stump up extra cash!). My Thai friends in BT and JC say that at the moment the conflict is not an issue with their Cambodian friends they work alongside at the moment, but how long will things stay that way if this border dispute festers or escalates further?

The parameters of this are huge because there is nothing set in stone, and all up for negotiation with your chosen boy. I have 'met' boys for the first time only at the actual threshold of my hotel door having found and engaged them via Hornet or Thai Friendly. They turn up at you door, knowing that they are there to provide sex for an agreed sum; they perform their job, gratefully accept their remuneration and, are off out the door again. Other boys you meet in the bars and 'break-the-ice' over a drink or two with them before offing them (or not - depending on how your drinks interview has gone). If you do off them, then you might well have already had a discussion about 'what next?', straight back to the room and have-at-it?, or eat first?, or go for another drink somewhere else? You might well have had the short-time/long-time discussion; personally I generally prefer to opt for short-time for a first visit. It is always far easier to turn a short-time into a long-time if things go well, than to try and turn a previously agreed long-time into short-time if things didn't go so well. Once you have had that initial short-time with a boy you will be thinking whether he will be just a a one-off so to speak, or whether you are going to want to see him again. If the latter that is when I start to invite them to eat with me first/afterwards, or whether to suggest a night out bar-hopping, or dancing at Stonehouse or Sinlapin perhaps as part of their next visit. I now have an established little band of 'regulars' that usually just slot into my daily social calendar as is conveniant to both of us, sometimes its an afternoon short-time with food and/or swimming in the hotel pool, sometimes its going to be a drunken long-time evening with sex in the morning. Its whatever and whenever you both want it to be

In Pattaya it is far from unheard of for female shop workers or similar to find themselves short of money when it comes time to pay their room rent, who will stuff their panties into their handbags and go and try their luck freelancing on Beach Road to try and get a customer or two to cover their short-fall.There is often even a boy or two as well to be found standing on the Beach along the lower parts opposite Mike's and below, although I have never yet tried to engage with one. Personally I have had one or two experiences of non money-boys. There was this super-cute male waiter at Stonehouse on Walking Street. We got chatting over several visits, but he insisted he was not a money boy. However his rent time fell during one of my visits and the lure of my baht was finally enough to convince him to visit my hotel for a short-time. Success!, but tempered with him being very shy and having to be gently coaxed out of his clothes, yet alone anything else, haha. (Second and third times with him were much easier and more fun for both of us!) The vast majority of Karaoke boys are straight, but some will prove 'gay for pay' in the absence of female customers, particularly during low-season. One such boy from Diamond is now a regular 'top' of mine. Another regular is a cute gay boy from Bangkok who currently works in a restaurant who will come and stay with me for two or three days each holiday on an agreed daily rate. There are cute lads everywhere in Pattaya if you look around you, doing normal jobs. Always worth a smile at them and see what happens? If they return your smile it might just lead to you getting better aquainted with them; they might not be money-boys but they will quickly guess what's on your mind, and you never know your luck!

@Marc308 It sounds like you are making a deliberate choice for the older, more mature Thai boy/man. My first thoughts were that that wasn't for me, but it has got me thinking. When I go out exploring the bars of Pattaya and Jomtien for new boys, my attentions are mainly focussed on younger twink boys. However, I also spend time each holiday with lads who I have been with many times before. Some of them up to ten years ago, and who are either just under 30, or a good few years over 30 now. And part of the reason that I still see them is simply because I have grown to like them as people, but also because I usually enjoy great sex with them. Probably not just their maturity, experience and unihibited approach, but because umpteen years of growing sexual familiarity has taught us how we best respond and react to each other. On average I am far more likely to successfully cum with one of them, than I am with a shiny new twink no matter how attractive I find the boy. So not quite your way of thinking I suspect, but maybe I am slowly getting there .....

Same premises, I think. Royal House Massage, if it is still operating, is the day-time incarnation, morphing into a karaoke after midnight? 22e1897a-9149-4207-8f1d-972b02017334 (1).mp4

I can only really comment on Friendly Club that I know and love. Actually there are two of them now, the original on Soi Kapai and a sister one a couple of hundred metres away. They are essentially Karaoke Bars, although not like the little intimate singing karaoke bars of old (maybe still are). THese are indeed more like host clubs with anything from 20-50 badged boys on stage on any one night. Most Karaoke boys are straight, but some can, to varying degrees, prove 'gay for pay'. The badge numbers are essentially to identify them during the hourly call-downs (usually about 200 baht a time for each boy). Some places like Diamond Karaoke they can usually be offed (if they are willing of course) in other places (like Friendly) that has to be done by private negotiation with the boy when the places closes (5-6am?) as the mamasans will insist that they are only host bars. I say, if they are willing, because gay customers are not the target clientel, it is ladies, often bar girls with money in their pockets from satisfying sweaty old farang like me during the day, out to party with pretty young Thai boys. (Again I would say that Diamond is as close to gay-friendly as I have found, its boss used to be one of the 'big cock boys' in X-Boys on Soi 13/3 until a few years ago and understands his gay cutomers). I love these places but, being farang, I still feel more comfortable if I am bringing one or more Thai boys (offed from the bars) with me to party. Once the whisky is flowing these places can be huge fun, but they are not cheap; every boy you call down is 200 baht (or more ?) for an hour of partying (and usually flirting) with you. Some karaoke boys are happier flirting with a gay crowd than others - but usually always plenty of takers. If I bring two or three boys in with me, and get through one or two bottles of whisky, and calling down two or three boys to join us every hour for a few hours, a 'bin' of 6,000 baht or more is not uncommon. So not an every-night thing unless you have deeper pockets than mine. These are essentially Thai establishements aimed at Thai customers, but I have never yet been refused entry at one: baht is king! Clip is from Friendly a year or two ago, the bare chested boys are all Karaoke staff 20.47.mp4