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Peter, we have never met, and yet, to me, you are a welcome and respected 'face' here on this forum. I have not always agreed with everything you have posted, but you always write with the authority born of a wealth of personal experience that you have been happy to share. For many years I have been heavily involved with another forum, Pattaya Addicts, where there has always been a continuous evolution of popular posters who emerge, shine for a number of years, and then fade away as their personal circumstances and interests evolve, but, importantly, their contributions survive within the forum for others to discover and benefit from. You too leave a strong posting legacy behind you that will continue to be appreciated by others in the future. Thank you 😊

Keep in mind that growing older is considerably better than the alternative! 😂 But getting older, especially on holiday in Pattaya, certainly has its developing challenges. I still try and see as many boys as I can, but these days, at 72, I am a pretty crap shag compared to even a few years ago. I can still get erections, but not as strong as they were, at least not staying as strong as they used to; even with medical assistance, although that certainly helps. I tire more easily, and my lower back can now all-too quickly give-out in certain positions. I also manage to cum far less often than I rememeber. So why do I persist?; simply because I still love interacting with hot naked young Thai lads. I love my regulars, and I still love the hunt for new boys amongst the bars every time I return. And I am finding that I am developing my own coping mechanisms to help compensate. For example, a slow sensuous oil massage can still have my tired old cock waving about and screaming for attention by the 'turn-over'. With some short-times, I find I can still enjoy being a 'side', even with non-penetrative sex. I am accepting that I don't have to cum myself every time (actually I couldn't these days even if I wanted to). Previously I was always the top, but I am increasingly enjoying being the bottom. And finally, I find threesomes to be increasingly enjoyable; I can participate as and when I want to, and my usual Thai partner, who is fully versatile, slips easily into the lead role to help bring events to an overall happy conclusion. 🥰 So into my 70s, and my holidays continue to be fun for me, even though year on year becoming subtly different. Hopefully I will be returning in a little over two weeks to put my aging body to the test yet again! 😂 Can't wait! 🥰

I can happily endorse Manow from MBar, a lovely (and very popular) lad. My BF and I like to off him together, and will hopefully do so again when I return in a few weeks time 🤩

Never seen that before, but I guess many of us have developed our own little rituals both on our arrival back and again on our departure. My own rituals are both simple and similar. I still start and finish my holidays at the Queen Victoria Hotel on Soi 6, which has been my 'second home' since 2010. I always have a balcony room on the top floor overlooking the busy soi below. My interest in the girls in the bars below have long since dwindled, but I still just love the whole atmosphere of the place. As I arrive, I throw my bag onto the bed, walk over, open the big balcony window, walk out, lean over the railings and welcome myself back, savouring the noisy activity below. On departing, my last act before I leave my room to get my taxi, is to repeat the process, promising to myself 'Until next time'! I still get emotional every time as I leave, my boyfriend assumes the tears are for him, and indeed some of them are, but also some are for just leaving Pattaya, my 'Happy Place', to return to my normal life back home in England. I still enjoy my life back home, it holds friends, family and the many activites I get immersed in, but it is an almost entirely celibate life these days, both conventional, and respectable. A far cry from the 'happy' massages, sweaty short times, and the general, hands-on, late-night debauchery enjoyed inside of some of my favourite boy bars.

I still use the Queen Victoria Hotel on Soi 6 for part of my holidays, in fact I have been staying there for the last 16 years, usually in a balcony room over looking the soi itself. It used to be joked that if Walking Street was the beating heart of Pattaya, then Soi 6 was its pussy! Around 60 girly bars, always fairly busy, even in Low Season, and packed to near capacity in High Season. But maybe ten years ago its popularity and future looked uncertain. It was a place of (en)closed bars with short-time rooms convenienlty above the bars; the bulk of its customers middle-aged to elderly white farang from Europe and the West. Then a renaissance started to take place just over ten years ago, spearheaded by the NightWish Group (who now own 20+ of the bars), opening up the front of the bars, bringing in farang managers, and encouraging a younger crowd of customers from more diverse backgrounds. The focus became more on partying, with bells ringing up and down the Soi, but still with girls up and down the stairs to the short-time rooms with their customers. It discovered a new vibrancy, that I still feel infectious, even though the girls themselves hold little interest for me these days. More crucially perhaps, that renaissance was accompanied by intensive publicity campaigns. For example, bars would daily line-up their girls outside the bars most days for pictures that would be on each bars Facebook groups. There were even opportunities, for example, for those abroad to buy lady-drinks online for their favourites with video links, etc. Such initiatives clearly succeeded as the numbers of vistors rose again, the bars thrived, the girls earned money and a younger demographic of customers spent their time and money there. Elsewhere, the girly bars across LKMetro, Buakhao, TreeTown, etc, also thrive, even in Low Season. On our side of the fence, I have watched in frustration as Sunee Plaza has slowly died away; Boyztown is now a shadow of its once vibrant past. Only Jomtien Complex still does reasonably well, and consequently I spend increasing amounts of my holiday time staying at the Zing Hotel there. But the bars are still heavily populated by aging ex-Pats, drawn by its boys and far cheaper beer prices. However, I am not sure that actual tourist numbers are particularly great, and most bars seem pretty useless in promoting themselves to the wider gay world, particularly to the younger gay world. At 72 I am one of the younger, fitter ones; I haven't actually seen Zimmer Frames in use, but quite a few customers look close to needing one! Haha Selfishly low season suits me; lots of baht-hungry boys surprisingly anxious to spend bedroom time with an old fart like me. But long-term the slow decline is in evidence even here; and basically, IMHO, its our own fault! Places like the Complex still have so much to offer the gay sex tourist, we just need to encourage them (discuss! hahaha).

My No 2 regular boy, has worked in Toy Boys for the last few years (and elsewhere in Pattaya for many years more). He told me a few weeks ago how he had managed to snag an American customer for a few days. He is almost 30, but a small slim gay Thai boy and still very cute looking. The customer had wanted a long-time companion, and one of the mamasans at Toy Boys was telling the boys to ask for 3k baht a night, despite the dreadfuly low low-season upon them. No 2 told the guy he would go for 2k a night and was duly offed; several other lads teased him for selling himself too cheap. However, the American ended up keeping him for 10 nights, so No 2 finished with 20k in his pocket while his peers in Toy Boys had struggled to find any customers at all and remained with empty pockets! The benefits of experience and a practical approach! 😂 He will once again have me offing him for three weeks in September!

Facebook, TikTok, WhatsAp and Twitter('X') are used extensively by many of the Karaoke Bars of Pattaya, and also the Spas and Massge shops of BKK, to promote themselves, the Spas usually explicitly so, through pictures and 'clips', enabling you to see exactly what each boy is packing! TK Massage in particular will show you how the various boys would each deliver your 'Happy Ending' 😂 XBoys also uses FB and TikTok. as occasionally does Dream Boys, but the vast majority of bars in BoyzTown and, particularly Jomtien Complex do not. So some gay businesses do make the effort, but oddly others, even those struggling through Low Season inexplicably do not, which is a shame 😢

Ah the lovely Chet, he was such a nice friendly guy, and my recollection was that he had the biggest cock in the bar! - although there was some 'stiff' competition!😅 I had huge difficultly even getting the head of it in my mouth, although believe me I tried on several occasions! 😂 He could be offed, and I did at least once. After Good Boys closed (a sad day!), he reappeared in A Bomb (after I think?, a stint in the army? ) where I met him a few times. He was fundamentally a straight top, but his oral skills were good. He was far too big for me to bottom for him, but oddly enough my small Thai boyfriend I was with had no such problems, although it did make his eyes water! 🤣

Please deport him to the UK - he can work in my home town any day! 🤩😅

Many of the mood killers have been already outlined by others, poor body and oral hygene being No 1 for me, But others important for me are boys (yes there are a few!) who ask for me to wear a condom before giving me a BJ! (I would rather do without than endure that), Heavy pubic hair 🤮; cock and balls lost amidst a forest of hair, and a hairy hole (I normally love to eat a smooth clean ass); doubly true with bottoms! Last visit I brought my No 2 a bottle of perfume and a new 'Lady Razor' - he understood and obliged! 😅 and was consequently a well rewarded daily visitor 🥰 All these mood killers in the room are becoming increasingly important as I get older; it doesn't take much for my tired old cock to decide to loose interest these days 😔

Surely we should be celebrating 'Truth in Advertising' these days 🤣 The two on the right for me please! 😋 Boys like this are one of the main reasons that I have been taking a room at the Zing for my recent holidays; nice and convenient for short-time visitors ! 😅

My experience, as a holiday visitor for the last twenty years, is that yes they can be faithful; the older they are, the more likely that they can be, but let me immediately qualify that, by asking 'who are we expecting him to be faithful to?' Most young Thai boys shag like rabbits with other young Thai boys on a daily basis; they can have current Thai boyfriends but they rarely seem particularly enduring relationships. But as for us older farang boyfriends living abroad?, well that's a whole different matter. I currently have two 'boyfriends', one Laos, one Thai (who each know about the other). My Laos boyfriend I have known for about ten years now, we video-call every day, and we meet-up whenever I return to Pattaya, but we haven't had sex together for several years; he is much more of a companion now. He now talks quite candidly to me about his other three farang boyfriends; and I am aware that each of us supports him a little bit. He has just about abandoned his bar-boy job in boyztown now, and focusses instead on keeping all four of us happy by daily contact. He is over 30 now and his own sex-drive has dwindled; when he does feel horny he finds another Thai boy who will come and suck his cock, or occasionally fuck him - and he pays them to do so (500 baht manybe). But his English is just about conversational now and he is my daily contact with Pattaya, and when I am in town he is my friend and companion. My Thai boyfriend is the 'boom boom' boyfriend that I have known about six years now. In his late 20s, he is still a horny little bugger and constantly shagging other Thai boys (top or bottom) on an almost daily basis, either individually or at small alcohol fuelled 'parties'. He likes me and happily stays with me on holiday, but I know he drools over other Thai boys (not me! haha) as we are forever chatting about who he has seen that he likes. He is into threesomes with me, and effectively he uses me as an excuse to have sex with the other boys we meet in the bars that we both choose as our third (or occasionally fourth 🤣). I also use him for threesomes in that there are bar boys who will come to my room because they know that they will be having sex with him (as well as me). I fully accept that neither boy will end up pushing my wheelchair here in England in years to come; neither wants to come and live with me in England; they are both entirely happy living where they are, and why not? In Thailand they have their families, their friends, their culture, language and foods. So neither are really my boyfriends in the sense that we might traditionally understand; I am essentially a favoured customer, a status I pay for in one way or another. Of course, if I was an exPat living in Pattaya, available to see them 24/7, then my 'relationship' with either might be entirely different.

Stayed at the Zing many times now, they are totally guest friendly. I usually come downstairs when my guest has arrived to greet them and lead them upstairs to my room. If I see the same boy again, they then usually just make their way straight to my room; they have to pass reception, but that has never been a problem. As to M Bar, I love the place, stuffed full of baht-hungry boys. Most would be all to happy to drink with you and probably to be offed back to your room later. As to the boys on stage, if they are performing/dancing, they will be focussed on that; some may already have customers awaiting them off-stage, but most will be all to happy to accept a drink when their turn on stage is completed. I agree with other posters than you can always ask a waiter about a particular boy if you feel uncomfortable approaching the lad directly. The boys can leave you alone if they think that you are happy with your own company, but break the ice with the offer of a drink or two and you will find yourself having to 'fight them off with a stick' 🤣 I think the basic off-fee is 300 baht, rising to 500 baht for their main stage boys. Tip expectations are usually 2k for Short-Time, but 1.5k can still be negotiated with some boys. There are stage shows at 10pm and midnight, but many of the boys sleep above the bar and will linger inside, and out front for several hours after that. Many a night it has been between 2-3am before my boyfriend and I have trudged our way back to the hotel (either on our own or with a borrowed third for the night) and we have very rarely ever been the last customer to leave.

On my last couple of holidays I stayed at the Zing next door to MBar, and ended up there most nights, but I would go to the Midnight show at 12, usually that little bit more raunchy, fuelled by several hours of boy drinks. Many customers leave at the end of the show, but some of us hang around, buying even more boy drinks. The remaining boys, anxious for late offs or extra tips, can become MUCH more friendly; open trouser belts, maybe zips down, and sometimes hands-on (yours and/or theirs) on those sofas at the end of the bar close to the now empty stage. 100 baht tips, 200 baht tips and 300 baht tips depending on developing activities. The Midnight show usually finishes by 1am, but it has often been 2 or 3am before my long-time companion and I have finally tipped out and stagger back to my hotel room next door. On such nights MBar seems only to close when the remaining customers stop spending! 🤣 When the last few deviants, such as myself, have stopped molesting the boys left the inside of the bar, Madam M is still usually sitting outside with other boys and the last few customers in the big setaed area at the front of the bar. Hopefully I shall be back again in September; can't wait! 🥰

We (mostly) have a fairly gentle, self-depreciating, sense of humour that can even be lost on other countries far closer to home than SEA 😂. But back to the thread, I have been for numerous walks along the Complex and Dongtan Beach in the past, noticing the Thais are the ones usually smiling, whereas the exPats all-too-often are the ones looking as miserable as sin (although I thankfully know one or two very honourable exceptions 🤣). As a (n all-too-short) holiday visitor, I have never understood why that is so?; maybe related to age, health, wealth, or simply just jaded by having spent too much time in our gay 'Paradise'?