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I can happily endorse Manow from MBar, a lovely (and very popular) lad. My BF and I like to off him together, and will hopefully do so again when I return in a few weeks time 🤩

Never seen that before, but I guess many of us have developed our own little rituals both on our arrival back and again on our departure. My own rituals are both simple and similar. I still start and finish my holidays at the Queen Victoria Hotel on Soi 6, which has been my 'second home' since 2010. I always have a balcony room on the top floor overlooking the busy soi below. My interest in the girls in the bars below have long since dwindled, but I still just love the whole atmosphere of the place. As I arrive, I throw my bag onto the bed, walk over, open the big balcony window, walk out, lean over the railings and welcome myself back, savouring the noisy activity below. On departing, my last act before I leave my room to get my taxi, is to repeat the process, promising to myself 'Until next time'! I still get emotional every time as I leave, my boyfriend assumes the tears are for him, and indeed some of them are, but also some are for just leaving Pattaya, my 'Happy Place', to return to my normal life back home in England. I still enjoy my life back home, it holds friends, family and the many activites I get immersed in, but it is an almost entirely celibate life these days, both conventional, and respectable. A far cry from the 'happy' massages, sweaty short times, and the general, hands-on, late-night debauchery enjoyed inside of some of my favourite boy bars.

I still use the Queen Victoria Hotel on Soi 6 for part of my holidays, in fact I have been staying there for the last 16 years, usually in a balcony room over looking the soi itself. It used to be joked that if Walking Street was the beating heart of Pattaya, then Soi 6 was its pussy! Around 60 girly bars, always fairly busy, even in Low Season, and packed to near capacity in High Season. But maybe ten years ago its popularity and future looked uncertain. It was a place of (en)closed bars with short-time rooms convenienlty above the bars; the bulk of its customers middle-aged to elderly white farang from Europe and the West. Then a renaissance started to take place just over ten years ago, spearheaded by the NightWish Group (who now own 20+ of the bars), opening up the front of the bars, bringing in farang managers, and encouraging a younger crowd of customers from more diverse backgrounds. The focus became more on partying, with bells ringing up and down the Soi, but still with girls up and down the stairs to the short-time rooms with their customers. It discovered a new vibrancy, that I still feel infectious, even though the girls themselves hold little interest for me these days. More crucially perhaps, that renaissance was accompanied by intensive publicity campaigns. For example, bars would daily line-up their girls outside the bars most days for pictures that would be on each bars Facebook groups. There were even opportunities, for example, for those abroad to buy lady-drinks online for their favourites with video links, etc. Such initiatives clearly succeeded as the numbers of vistors rose again, the bars thrived, the girls earned money and a younger demographic of customers spent their time and money there. Elsewhere, the girly bars across LKMetro, Buakhao, TreeTown, etc, also thrive, even in Low Season. On our side of the fence, I have watched in frustration as Sunee Plaza has slowly died away; Boyztown is now a shadow of its once vibrant past. Only Jomtien Complex still does reasonably well, and consequently I spend increasing amounts of my holiday time staying at the Zing Hotel there. But the bars are still heavily populated by aging ex-Pats, drawn by its boys and far cheaper beer prices. However, I am not sure that actual tourist numbers are particularly great, and most bars seem pretty useless in promoting themselves to the wider gay world, particularly to the younger gay world. At 72 I am one of the younger, fitter ones; I haven't actually seen Zimmer Frames in use, but quite a few customers look close to needing one! Haha Selfishly low season suits me; lots of baht-hungry boys surprisingly anxious to spend bedroom time with an old fart like me. But long-term the slow decline is in evidence even here; and basically, IMHO, its our own fault! Places like the Complex still have so much to offer the gay sex tourist, we just need to encourage them (discuss! hahaha).

My No 2 regular boy, has worked in Toy Boys for the last few years (and elsewhere in Pattaya for many years more). He told me a few weeks ago how he had managed to snag an American customer for a few days. He is almost 30, but a small slim gay Thai boy and still very cute looking. The customer had wanted a long-time companion, and one of the mamasans at Toy Boys was telling the boys to ask for 3k baht a night, despite the dreadfuly low low-season upon them. No 2 told the guy he would go for 2k a night and was duly offed; several other lads teased him for selling himself too cheap. However, the American ended up keeping him for 10 nights, so No 2 finished with 20k in his pocket while his peers in Toy Boys had struggled to find any customers at all and remained with empty pockets! The benefits of experience and a practical approach! 😂 He will once again have me offing him for three weeks in September!

Facebook, TikTok, WhatsAp and Twitter('X') are used extensively by many of the Karaoke Bars of Pattaya, and also the Spas and Massge shops of BKK, to promote themselves, the Spas usually explicitly so, through pictures and 'clips', enabling you to see exactly what each boy is packing! TK Massage in particular will show you how the various boys would each deliver your 'Happy Ending' 😂 XBoys also uses FB and TikTok. as occasionally does Dream Boys, but the vast majority of bars in BoyzTown and, particularly Jomtien Complex do not. So some gay businesses do make the effort, but oddly others, even those struggling through Low Season inexplicably do not, which is a shame 😢

Ah the lovely Chet, he was such a nice friendly guy, and my recollection was that he had the biggest cock in the bar! - although there was some 'stiff' competition!😅 I had huge difficultly even getting the head of it in my mouth, although believe me I tried on several occasions! 😂 He could be offed, and I did at least once. After Good Boys closed (a sad day!), he reappeared in A Bomb (after I think?, a stint in the army? ) where I met him a few times. He was fundamentally a straight top, but his oral skills were good. He was far too big for me to bottom for him, but oddly enough my small Thai boyfriend I was with had no such problems, although it did make his eyes water! 🤣

Please deport him to the UK - he can work in my home town any day! 🤩😅

Many of the mood killers have been already outlined by others, poor body and oral hygene being No 1 for me, But others important for me are boys (yes there are a few!) who ask for me to wear a condom before giving me a BJ! (I would rather do without than endure that), Heavy pubic hair 🤮; cock and balls lost amidst a forest of hair, and a hairy hole (I normally love to eat a smooth clean ass); doubly true with bottoms! Last visit I brought my No 2 a bottle of perfume and a new 'Lady Razor' - he understood and obliged! 😅 and was consequently a well rewarded daily visitor 🥰 All these mood killers in the room are becoming increasingly important as I get older; it doesn't take much for my tired old cock to decide to loose interest these days 😔

Surely we should be celebrating 'Truth in Advertising' these days 🤣 The two on the right for me please! 😋 Boys like this are one of the main reasons that I have been taking a room at the Zing for my recent holidays; nice and convenient for short-time visitors ! 😅

My experience, as a holiday visitor for the last twenty years, is that yes they can be faithful; the older they are, the more likely that they can be, but let me immediately qualify that, by asking 'who are we expecting him to be faithful to?' Most young Thai boys shag like rabbits with other young Thai boys on a daily basis; they can have current Thai boyfriends but they rarely seem particularly enduring relationships. But as for us older farang boyfriends living abroad?, well that's a whole different matter. I currently have two 'boyfriends', one Laos, one Thai (who each know about the other). My Laos boyfriend I have known for about ten years now, we video-call every day, and we meet-up whenever I return to Pattaya, but we haven't had sex together for several years; he is much more of a companion now. He now talks quite candidly to me about his other three farang boyfriends; and I am aware that each of us supports him a little bit. He has just about abandoned his bar-boy job in boyztown now, and focusses instead on keeping all four of us happy by daily contact. He is over 30 now and his own sex-drive has dwindled; when he does feel horny he finds another Thai boy who will come and suck his cock, or occasionally fuck him - and he pays them to do so (500 baht manybe). But his English is just about conversational now and he is my daily contact with Pattaya, and when I am in town he is my friend and companion. My Thai boyfriend is the 'boom boom' boyfriend that I have known about six years now. In his late 20s, he is still a horny little bugger and constantly shagging other Thai boys (top or bottom) on an almost daily basis, either individually or at small alcohol fuelled 'parties'. He likes me and happily stays with me on holiday, but I know he drools over other Thai boys (not me! haha) as we are forever chatting about who he has seen that he likes. He is into threesomes with me, and effectively he uses me as an excuse to have sex with the other boys we meet in the bars that we both choose as our third (or occasionally fourth 🤣). I also use him for threesomes in that there are bar boys who will come to my room because they know that they will be having sex with him (as well as me). I fully accept that neither boy will end up pushing my wheelchair here in England in years to come; neither wants to come and live with me in England; they are both entirely happy living where they are, and why not? In Thailand they have their families, their friends, their culture, language and foods. So neither are really my boyfriends in the sense that we might traditionally understand; I am essentially a favoured customer, a status I pay for in one way or another. Of course, if I was an exPat living in Pattaya, available to see them 24/7, then my 'relationship' with either might be entirely different.

Stayed at the Zing many times now, they are totally guest friendly. I usually come downstairs when my guest has arrived to greet them and lead them upstairs to my room. If I see the same boy again, they then usually just make their way straight to my room; they have to pass reception, but that has never been a problem. As to M Bar, I love the place, stuffed full of baht-hungry boys. Most would be all to happy to drink with you and probably to be offed back to your room later. As to the boys on stage, if they are performing/dancing, they will be focussed on that; some may already have customers awaiting them off-stage, but most will be all to happy to accept a drink when their turn on stage is completed. I agree with other posters than you can always ask a waiter about a particular boy if you feel uncomfortable approaching the lad directly. The boys can leave you alone if they think that you are happy with your own company, but break the ice with the offer of a drink or two and you will find yourself having to 'fight them off with a stick' 🤣 I think the basic off-fee is 300 baht, rising to 500 baht for their main stage boys. Tip expectations are usually 2k for Short-Time, but 1.5k can still be negotiated with some boys. There are stage shows at 10pm and midnight, but many of the boys sleep above the bar and will linger inside, and out front for several hours after that. Many a night it has been between 2-3am before my boyfriend and I have trudged our way back to the hotel (either on our own or with a borrowed third for the night) and we have very rarely ever been the last customer to leave.

On my last couple of holidays I stayed at the Zing next door to MBar, and ended up there most nights, but I would go to the Midnight show at 12, usually that little bit more raunchy, fuelled by several hours of boy drinks. Many customers leave at the end of the show, but some of us hang around, buying even more boy drinks. The remaining boys, anxious for late offs or extra tips, can become MUCH more friendly; open trouser belts, maybe zips down, and sometimes hands-on (yours and/or theirs) on those sofas at the end of the bar close to the now empty stage. 100 baht tips, 200 baht tips and 300 baht tips depending on developing activities. The Midnight show usually finishes by 1am, but it has often been 2 or 3am before my long-time companion and I have finally tipped out and stagger back to my hotel room next door. On such nights MBar seems only to close when the remaining customers stop spending! 🤣 When the last few deviants, such as myself, have stopped molesting the boys left the inside of the bar, Madam M is still usually sitting outside with other boys and the last few customers in the big setaed area at the front of the bar. Hopefully I shall be back again in September; can't wait! 🥰

We (mostly) have a fairly gentle, self-depreciating, sense of humour that can even be lost on other countries far closer to home than SEA 😂. But back to the thread, I have been for numerous walks along the Complex and Dongtan Beach in the past, noticing the Thais are the ones usually smiling, whereas the exPats all-too-often are the ones looking as miserable as sin (although I thankfully know one or two very honourable exceptions 🤣). As a (n all-too-short) holiday visitor, I have never understood why that is so?; maybe related to age, health, wealth, or simply just jaded by having spent too much time in our gay 'Paradise'?

There is a very fluid grey area between, Twinks, Femme-Boys and Ladyboys themselves. Take, just for example, a very pretty twink boy from M Bar say in the Jomtien Complex (they have many!), grow their hair, take off their jeans and put them in a dress instead, add a little (more 😅) make-up, and lo and behold you are looking at a ladyboy. Conversely, take a 'pre-op' ladyboy from, say 'Katoyes Are Us', put them in jeans, cut their hair, wipe off their make-up, and all of a sudden you are looking at a Twink. Yes I know that it can be more complicated than that - personality traites etc. etc., but fundamentaly the difference is one of perception rather than physique? And here I am obvioulsy talkinging about pre-operation ladyboys without any 'bolt-ons' or the 'cut'. Somewhere inconveniently buried in the photo archive on my hard-drive I have a number of 'just for fun', then and now pics, of boys from boy bars that I knew dressing-up as ladies for fun, for parties, or to just see what they looked like. I don't think you would do well in Jomtien Complex with a Ladyboy Bar, there are too many prejudices amongst potential customers IMHO. But you could open (another) Twink bar and, say every month, put on a cross-dressing competition for your boys (with money prizes obviously)? I bet the reactions (boys and customers) would be interesting?

This topic has generated a lot of well-considered and thoughtful responses, articulating sometimes differing points of view, and, therefore I would like to modify/amplify some of my earlier comments. I accept there is a difference between bar owners and owners of other gay-related businesses trying to promote themselves, and the bloggers/you-tubers etec who walk up and down with their cameras recording, for example, people walking around the Jomtien Complex, or sitting inside the open bars etc. We might like to think of gay-bar owners naturally wanting to promote themselves using whatever social media is available to them in order to create more business both from those potential customers actually living-in or currently visiting Pattaya, and perhaps also those perhaps considering their first visit. But as we know most prove very poor at it, and with Thai owners/managers, language may still be a practical inhibitor. IMHO, currently the best and most prolific promotors are the major karaoke bars and massage shops that pump out stills/clips/live from their premises focussing on the many handsome boys currently on their staff, smiling, and waving at the camera as it passes. (Line groups from some of the BKK Massage/Sauna businesses are FAR more explicit in showing you exactly what each boy has to offer!) But, most of it is fully in Thai, captions, commentary, names, etc; we farang might be welcomed (more or less), but we are clearly not their target audience. I daily check out three Pattaya forums (I am Bi, I hasten to add); Pattaya Addicts (where I have been part of their Mod Team for the last 15 years), the Ladyboy Forum, and this one; I love all three in different measure. Of the three, this forum is by far the smallest, and also seems the most restrictive in terms of pictures, particularly pictures of the boys and the bars, (even when they are promotional pictures). For example, I can tell you that I met this really great lad in Bar X last night, who was also amazing in the room and I paid him x baht for his troubles. But currently I can't show you his picture (even fully clothed), or tell you his name, let alone share contact details (even when it is available on Hornet or similar). I understand the thinking behind that, and respect that (although its why I dont publish trip reports here any more), but it is in marked contrast to what regularly goes on on the other two forums. Traffic on this forum would be even smaller if we cut out all the unashamedly political posts; 50% of daily traffic here currently seems Trump related! 🤣. (By contrast PA bans any political posts completely.) I say all this by way of observation, and to support the probability that our activities and posts currently make very little difference to daily foot traffic across the gay bars of Pattaya; their fate lies pretty much entirely in their own hands, and so I do congratulate bar owners, like Charlie in Jomtien Complex, who do make efforts to promote themselves, their bars and their boys. His posts and video clips are what first got me into his bars. They are great fun in so many ways; I would show you if I could! 🤣