Gaybutton

You're the only person I know of ever to accuse that bar of any wrongdoing whatsoever. None of the waiters have ever been aggressive to any of the regulars and none of us have ever seen any of the waiters being aggressive to anyone else. Only you. Based on knowing the waiters, knowing the bar, knowing the owner, and knowing people who are there virtually every night, I don't believe one word of what you're saying. I don't have any idea what your reasons are behind this, but as far as I'm concerned you're nothing but a troll who has some sort of personal vendetta against the bar and you're not above making up a bunch of bullshit to try to convince people that such an incident actually happened. I know that Gary, the former owner, read your accusation. I also know that you never bothered to say one word to him about what you're trying to convince people that happened. Gary checked with every regular and every waiter. Conclusion? Bullshit. Good riddance to that bar? Good job, Qualityonly. You've managed to get plenty of people who, once you leave Pattaya, will be saying good riddance to you. Next time you're in Sunee Plaza, go to the Elephant Plaza bar. The All of Me waiters are all working there now. The customer regulars will be there and sometimes I'm there too. Identify yourself to us, if you have the guts - which I'm sure you don't - and then show us which waiter you're talking about. If what you said turns out to be true, I'll be the first one to publicly apologize to you, both at the bar and on this board. Why do I have a feeling you showing up to point out the waiter will never happen? That's along with knowing damned well that your accusation never happened either.

That part is obvious. Sorry, but you're not going to suck me into this nonsense. You tried to make it appear that I was contradicting myself. You lost. Instead of trying to continue by nitpicking and asking loaded questions, accept it and move on. You want a last word? Go right ahead. I'm done with this.

You're the one who tried to make my statements appear as contradictions. I'll say again, if I wanted to know why gay Arabs "risk their life in Pattaya," I would ask a gay Arab. If you hang on to anything as if it were Gospel, wouldn't you first have to believe the Gospel is worth hanging onto in the first place?

Good. You should.

I think maybe you've been reading too many bkkguy posts. Apparently you're looking for a contradiction since you emphasized that I also said I would never ask. In the statement above, did you disregard the part where I wrote, "If I wanted an answer"? Yes, I would ask a gay Arab if I wanted an answer. For a very simple reason I don't want an answer. The reason is because I couldn't care less. Sorry, no contradiction.

Mind? The way things are these days, it's probably the neighbor, friend, uncle, sister, colleague controlling the web cam . . .

I wouldn't walk up to anyone, Arab or anyone, and ask, "Pardon me, are you a fag?" But it's a different story if it's perfectly obvious. In any case I would never ask in the first place. Maybe it's just me, but I couldn't care less whether they are risking their lives or not. As for risking their lives riding on their motorbikes, I couldn't care less about that either. What I do care about is the manner by which they drive, they're risking my life. If they're going to be killed riding on motorbikes like total idiots, I'd be sorry it happened, but if it is inevitable, at least let it happen before they get as far as wherever I happen to be. For some strange reason, I never did like being in the line of fire. Why can't they wear curl-toed shoes and ride around on flying carpets instead?

Maybe they just can't think of a better place to risk their life . . . If I wanted an answer to that question, you know what I would do? I would ask a gay Arab.

Yes. Also, I did not express an opinion as to whether I think Thailand's Social Security system is a particularly good one or not. The intent of my post was simply to point out what Thailand does have.

Unless something has changed, that's not quite true. http://www.expatfocus.com/expatriate-thailand-social-security http://www.sso.go.th/wpr/eng/index.html

He may have already done that, but it's not that simple. It doesn't mean the staff is always going to listen. Talk to bar owners and restaurant owners. They'll invariably complain that one of the toughest problems is training the staff. They can be told over and over again what to do and what not to do, but they just don't listen. The owner of All of Me is on top of those kinds of things when he is made aware of them. Just a couple months ago one of the boys wanted to have his birthday party at the bar and wanted to set up a loudspeaker with music. Gary told him he can't be there that night, but he'll allow it. He instructed the boy that the speaker needs to be set up in the back of the bar and he was quite specific about the volume level limit. The boy understood perfectly. Meanwhile the boy knew Gary wasn't going to be there. Instead of doing as he was instructed, he set up the loudspeaker at the entrance to the bar and the music was played at full volume, driving off most of the customers, including the regulars. I was not there that night, but I was there the next night. Gary had no idea he had been disobeyed. I was right there when some of the regulars informed him what had happened. Gary was furious. The "birthday boy" was not there. Among the things Gary said was, "Tomorrow, somebody's going to be out of a job." He meant it. The boy was fired as soon as he showed up the next night. Now that same boy is a go-go boy in Eros.

Gary does read my board. Whether he reads any others, I have no idea. I never asked. In any case, suppose he's reading this topic. Unless someone with a complaint about a waiter speaks to him directly and points out the waiter, how is he supposed to know which waiter the person is complaining about? And how is he supposed to know whether to believe the complainer at face value or if it's just somebody making a mountain out of a molehill? As for other bar owners, I don't know what boards they read, if any.

That waiter might not even really have been a waiter. Sometimes boys freelance there. In any case, I think it's unfair to blacklist the place if he hasn't even spoken to Gary, the owner. Gary probably isn't even be aware of a problem. If he is made aware of it, I know him well enough to know he'll do something about it. And I agree with A447a. If a waiter is being pushy, what's the hard part about telling him not to bother you about another drink unless you call him over? What Qualityonly saw as being pushy might have simply been the waiter's idea of trying to be accommodating. Whenever I go to Sunee Plaza, I always start out at All of Me. I have never been subjected to a pushy waiter there and I have never seen anyone subjected to a pushy waiter, and as far as I know Qualityonly is the only person who has ever had this complaint.

Most Thai banks are now allowing SMS notification and also allowing Email notification. If you have a Thai bank account, but are not always in Thailand, I would make sure to register for Email notification along with SMS notification. And in case you lose your telephone or it is stolen, having Email notification is a good backup.

You should talk to Gary, the owner. He's there every night. If he isn't at All of Me, he's on the other Sunee Plaza soi at his other bar, All of Me Too. Gary listens. If you tell him what happened and especially if you point out the boy who was pestering you, rest assured Gary will do something about it and will make sure it never happens again.

What are you talking about? Nobody has to wait a week. I approve their registration immediately once I receive their Email and they can start posting immediately. If they haven't logged in at least once within a week of their registration being approved, I delete their registration. What's the part you fail to understand or isn't clear to you?

Even with filters those bots still sometimes manage to get through. Moses installed a very good filter on my board and now it's rare for a bot to get through, but it still happens once or twice a week. Also, every so often I'll get a legitimate registration and I approve it, but then the person never logs in. I usually give it about a week. They don't have to post anything if they don't want to, but If they still haven't logged in at least once by then, their registration gets deleted.

I require the Email, so that I know the person trying to register is human and not a bot. First you register, then you send me the Email. Once I receive the Email, I approve the registration and give access to posting. I only manually register people if they are having difficulty registering by themselves. If that occurs, people usually either send me an Email or they send me a PM on this board and/or the Sawatdee board, telling me the screen name they want. In those cases I assign a temporary password which they can either change to whatever they want after they log in or opt to just keep - their choice.

I do. One thing is certainly clear to me - the title of the topic is perfect.

Does that matter? Don't worry about what I think. Judge for yourself.

Perfect! Despite the fact that the way I worded the post could have been interpreted in a great many ways, I knew I was going to see a post from you saying that. Others may believe and sympathize with you, but since you couldn't help writing that response, yes - I see right through you and you can't stand it.

I just checked. There is no such profile on GR. That means he either deleted that profile or . . . In any case: Rule 1 - NEVER let a boy have an opportunity to access your valuables. Rule 2 - Never break Rule 1.

Move on. I'm through contributing to hijacking this topic and wasting my time responding to your paranoia - for now . . .