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Or both . . . I've always wondered about this list: ____________________________ Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846. John F Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946. Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860. John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960. The names Lincoln and Kennedy each contain seven letters. Both were particularly concerned with civil rights. Both wives lost children while living in the White House. Both Presidents were shot on a Friday. Both Presidents were shot in the head. Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy. Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln. Both were assassinated by Southerners. Both were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson. Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808. Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908. John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln, was born in 1839. Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939. Both assassins were known by their three names. Both names are composed of fifteen letters. Lincoln was shot at the theater named 'Ford.' Kennedy was shot in a car, a Ford, called 'Lincoln.' Booth ran from the theater and was caught in a warehouse. Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater. Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials. A week before Lincoln was shot, he was in Monroe, Maryland. A week before Kennedy was shot, he was with Marilyn Monroe.

Abraham Lincoln was assassinated the night of April 14. He died around 9 hours later, the morning of April 15. As for the link between the two events, I thought Lincoln did approve a tax of some kind. Whether it was an income tax or something else, I really don't know unless I look it up - which I won't.

The drive between Bang Saen and Pattaya usually takes me about 45 minutes. I've been to the seafood restaurant 2lz2p mentioned several times. It's very good, very picturesque right over the water, and prices are quite reasonable. If you've ever been to the seafood restaurant in Bang Sare, it's very similar - so similar that it might be owned by the same people. Of course, there are many other restaurants to choose from, but if I'm going to eat while in Bang Saen, that's the one I head for. Look for the blue rooftops. You can't miss it. The beach and waters are clean and there is usually plenty of parking. There are also plenty of concessionaires, just like Dongtan Beach in Jomtien. People are much more conservative about their beach attire than they are in Pattaya. If there is a gay area, I've never found it. Also, there is a small mountain (can't think of the name, but it's the only one) at the north end. At the top there is a colony of wild monkeys. Before you're even out of your car the vendors are there to sell you baskets of fruit and vegetables to feed to the monkeys. I used to buy those, but I found something the monkeys appreciate even more - bottled water. Now, whenever I go there I always take a few six-packs of bottled water. Open the bottles for the monkeys. They haven't figured out how to open the bottles, but they get very thirsty up there and they obviously are grateful for the water. The vendors don't sell water, so you'll have to bring it yourself. Most of the monkeys just lay the bottles on the ground and lap up the water as it pours out, but every once in awhile there's a monkey that figured out how to pick up the bottle and drink from it. If the monkeys drop the empty bottle instead of making off with it, I pick it up, put it in the car, and throw it out later rather than leaving plastic bottles all over the place. Also, if you arrive by car, leave everything of value in the car, including the car keys (make sure you don't lock the door with your keys inside the car). Don't keep anything in your pockets that you don't want to lose. You think Pattaya has a pickpocket problem? Wait 'til you meet the monkeys. Some of them put the Pattaya pickpockets to shame.

I read some of the comments people wrote after the article on the link you posted. I liked this one: "I guess we should lower our Rainbow Flags to half mast."

I understand perfectly and I'm sorry for what you're going through. The last thing you need to worry about is a misunderstanding with me. Don't give it another thought. The last time I saw jinks was at a Take Care dinner in Pattaya. We sat together and had a lot of fun. Each of us won a door prize too. He liked the prize I won and I liked the prize he won, so we traded. Since then we communicated often via PMs on the boards. He never said anything to me to indicate just how ill he was. He wanted to return to Pattaya later this year. I wish he could have. I am truly deeply upset about his death and I will greatly miss him. I already do.

That "dick" is probably me. But that's not what I said at all and I made no such accusation. What I said was, "I hope it will turn out to be someone's idea of a sick hoax, but the post does seem believable to me." You can read my entire post at: http://www.gaybuttonthai.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6335 jinks and I were good friends. I really hoped it wasn't true. Having absolutely no idea who you are and given that your post appeared as a first post here, I truly hoped it was a hoax and that jinks was ok. Unfortunately, on these boards there are people who wouldn't be above doing something like that. I know now that it wasn't a hoax and I'm very upset about his death. His death has been confirmed by Surfcrest, the owner of the Sawatdee board on which jinks was a moderator. I knew he was ill, but I did not know how seriously ill he actually was.

Me? Ban anyone? Ever? For any reason? Surely you jest . . .

WHAT?!?!?!? I hope you're joking. Just in case you actually believe that, read this: http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/106225/50-year-thai-man-injured-east-pattaya-road-rage-attack/ That's just one example, in one city, out of hundreds and hundreds that take place just as often in Thailand as anywhere else.

What?!?!? You misspelled something? You didn't punctuate correctly? Your grammar was imperfect? Forgot a capital letter? Just for that, as an officer of the Spelling and Grammar Police, I now place you under assert!

There is an exception. I've posted about this before. I had an experience on Gay Romeo when the boy who showed up was not the boy in the photos. He wasn't even close. I guess he was a substitute or something - who knows? I would have sent him away, but as it turned out, I liked him far more than the boy who was in the photos. He ended up with a much better tip than I had in mind for the boy in the photos.

"That still ain't it, honey." - Clarice Taylor (Idella), 'Purlie'

Unless you have reason to believe the boy deliberately deceived you, since you did take him off I think that obligates you to give him the full tip amount whether you engage in sex with him or not. It's not his fault you didn't notice his flaws or what you don't like about him until after you took him off. As long as he's getting his money, which is the reason he went off with you in the first place, he'll be happy. You could always say you're just too tired now or something. After all, you're the one who took him off. On the other hand, if you know he deliberately deceived you, that's a different story. In that case, I don't think you owe him anything at all. I'd give him taxi fare just to get rid of him, but nothing more.

I said bribe me the right way. "That ain't it, honey." - Clarice Taylor (Idella), 'Purlie'

Actually, I do have an important message for you. As a matter of fact it's urgent - absolutely vital. Now, all you have to do is bribe me the right way to find out what it is . . .

It would also end my presence in their establishment - permanently.

Have times changed? I almost never take boys off from bars anymore, so perhaps I'm behind the times. Until now I've never heard of a bar preventing boys from being taken off due to their nationality or their age. Lao and Cambodian boys work in the bars and they're taken off regularly. I see that for myself constantly. Until now, I've never heard of bars refusing to let under-age boys be taken off unless they are very under-age. That's why we've had so many posts over the years advising people to make sure to check a boy's ID card to make sure of his age. Has something changed right under my nose and I've missed it?

That brings up a whole new issue. I read and hear far too many times about indentured servitude and slavery in Asia, and that does include Thailand. Some of the fishing boats, for example, are notorious for virtually shanghai-ing a crew, forcing them to work, sometimes for months, with little or no pay at all, kept in the most appalling conditions, and if they cannot, or will not, work any more due to lack of decent food, water, illness, and exhaustion, they're tossed overboard to drown. If any bars are engaging in indentured servitude by finding ways to force the boys to remain on premises until a debt is paid off, in my opinion that is as reprehensible as it gets. If I know a bar is doing that, I would never go to that bar again. I am aware that some bars pay for foreign boys to come to Thailand to work. I am also aware that even Thai boys have been known to work in the bars when their parents got into debt and an agreement was reached for the bar to pay off the debt on the basis the boy would work in the bar until the bar had recovered the money - and then some. It seems to happen to girls more often than it happens to boys. They'll prey on the most rural, uneducated, poverty stricken people they can find - right up there with politicians buying votes in return for a big sack of rice. I don't know how often this sort of thing occurs, but I do know it does occur. Maybe that sort of thing is acceptable in some Asian cultures, but that doesn't mean it has to be acceptable to me. And it isn't.

DragonMaster has now posted the explanation. See: http://www.gaybuttonthai.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5633

Which McDonald's are you talking about? In Pattaya there are several. As for which of these clubs is "hottest," that's a matter of opinion. They're all "hot" and you might as well go to them and judge for yourself rather than relying on the opinions of others. As far as I know, there are no recent newcomers.

Have you seen the Michael Moore film, "Sicko"? In it, he says if a foreigner wants free medical attention, all he needs to do is go to England. Not only will he receive full medical attention, including operations, long term care, etc, but when he goes to the cashier, he won't have to pay a thing and will actually receive money. That makes no sense to me, but is any of that actually true? He says the same thing about Cuba, completely free medical care, although they don't give money back.

I've always kept mine sorted, even when was living in the USA I always kept my money sorted. I'm even more compulsive about it than that - if the note corners have become folded, I straighten them. A close friend had an experience similar to baobao's. He took a 20 baht motorbike taxi ride. It was after dark and he thought he had pulled a 20 baht note from his wallet and had given it to the taxi driver. He didn't realize until the driver had sped away like greased lightning that it wasn't a 20 baht note. It was a 1000 baht note! Whoops! Ever since he keeps his 1000 baht notes folded to make sure that little mistake won't be repeated.

Sometimes you don't even have to do that. I know of a few times when a farang didn't get the answer he wanted and later returned to the very same branch, spoke to someone else, and did get what he wanted. Welcome to Thailand, folks . . .

Now I know of a bank that requires a work permit . . . Is that their only type of savings account? Also, above ReneThai couldn't open a savings account with K-Bank (yes, K-Bank is short for Kasikorn Bank) because he didn't have a work permit. He went to another branch and got the same story. Meanwhile, many of us were able to open an account with K-Bank without a work permit and had no trouble at all. When I opened mine, a work permit wasn't even mentioned. I was in and out in ten minutes and, as I said in an earlier post, my online banking was even in place by the time I went home. Go figure. Since many of us do have accounts with K-Bank, then it's yet another case of getting different answers at different branches. Why is that? Why does one branch tell you one thing and another branch tells you something entirely different? Obviously you can open an account with K-Bank without a work permit. Maybe different branches get to set their own policies. Maybe the branches ReneThai went to were simply mistaken. Maybe the branches that did allow farang to open an account were mistaken. Who knows? It's clear that something is screwed up, and it isn't just K-Bank. The same kind of thing happens to people at just about any Thai bank. You could always call K-Bank's main office and ask what the requirements are for a farang to open a savings account. The number is 02 888 8800. If the representative tells you a work permit is not necessary, then if you're in a branch where you're told it is necessary, if it were me I'd call that number again, right then and there, and let them work it out. This is why I keep urging everyone who is a regular visitor to Thailand, especially those who anticipate retiring in Thailand or spending lengthy amounts of time in Thailand, to open at least one Thai bank account while you can. Many use their foreign debit cards at Aeon, where that 150 baht fee is not assessed. Meanwhile, can you really be certain they won't eventually change their policy and also start charging the 150 baht fee?