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"I know it is not possible, but does it not delight your imagination?" - Hugh Grifith (Sheik Ilderim), 'Ben Hur'

For me, getting even would be loads of enjoyment. You know what I would do? Next trip, return to the bar, call him over, and tell him you're taking him off. Wait until he changes into his street clothes and then tell him, "Sorry, I'm taking that boy off instead."

Obviously it happened. The question is why did it happen? The only thing that makes even remote sense to me would be he knew he would be getting much more money from the other customer. It was an entirely wrong thing for him to do. As I said, for me anyway, a boy accepting an off and then rejecting it in favor of another customer is unheard of - until now. What he should have done, no matter what his reason, was to tell the other customer he has already accepted an off and he'll be available tomorrow. I suppose you have your reasons why you bought him drinks days later and are considering taking him off (or at least trying to take him off), but if he had done that to me, he would have had top billing on my "Never Again" list.

That's possible and if that's what he did, it doesn't make much sense. This is the first time I've ever heard of a boy accepting an off and then saying sorry, I have to go with someone else. Your guess is as good as mine as to why he did that. If he did have greener pastures in mind, then it seems like it was a customer he's gone with before and gave him a lot of money. Unless you told him how much you were going to give him, how would he have any idea how much you might have given him? Either way, once a boy commits to an off, whether another customer wants him or not he's still supposed to go with the person with whom he accepted the off. For me, that's a new one.

I believe in some bars it used to be like that, but I also believe that's a thing of the past. I don't think the bars, with the possible exception of a very few, do that anymore. I base that on having witnessed boys refusing an off and I've also had boys tell me they won't go with someone who is excessively drunk or is behaving like some kind of nut. In other words, for the boys I believe it's an "up to you" whether they go with a customer. The boys also know most of the bars are in need of more boys. If someone is trying to pressure them into going off with someone they don't want to go with, the easiest thing in the world for them would be to switch to another bar. Also, many boys are freelancers, meaning they're not actually employed by the bar, but work in the bar just to try to get an off. As I understand it, some bars don't pay freelancers at all. Some give them about 100 baht on nights they show up to work. I don't think there is any particular standard to how it works. The point is freelancers are under no pressure at all. I know one boy who has a regular job, but occasionally dances in the go-go bars when he wants to try to supplement his income a little bit. I wish one of the boys who showed up at my house yesterday was one of them. I had a plumbing problem caused by the city water company's equipment. A team of 3 workers was sent over to repair the problem. One of them was my idea of wow! Unfortunately for me, when I was chatting with him it turns out he is married and has two daughters. He didn't set off my gaydar at all. Damn!

As far as I'm concerned, I couldn't care less who they prefer or what age group they prefer. I've never even asked any of them. If they're with me, they're with me by their own choice. Nobody is twisting their arms or holding a gun to their heads. Whether it's for money and/or other reasons, it makes no difference to me. I have a good time with the boys I see and they seem to have a good time with me. If I ask them to come again, they always are happy to come again. Often, they call me to ask if they can come. What else really matters?

Absolutely right. Not only that, but even plenty of money boys are also interested in each other. Does anyone really think the first time these boys ever had sex it was with a farang, especially an aging farang, and they never had sex with anyone until they started working in the bars? Even more ridiculous.

If they are speaking only for themselves, then they have no reason to lie unless it's a money boy telling you what he thinks you want to hear. Don't forget, not every gay or bisexual Thai boy in the whole country works in the bars or comes into contact with farang. There are certainly plenty who don't work in the bars, have never seen the bars, and live in areas where if they even see farang, it's unusual. Who, then, are they into? Seems to me they are either into other Thais or they abstain from sex. Which do you think it is? I'm not going to get into the "It's all about money" debate. That has been discussed on the boards more times over the years than Carter's has Little Liver Pills. You either believe that's the case or you don't. Nothing anyone says is going to change already made up minds. I'll leave that aspect of it to you gents.

Yes. Don't feel bad. When I first heard the term, it took me some time to figure out what the hell a "roundabout" is. "The United States and Great Britain are two countries separated by a common language." - George Bernard Shaw

Now that people are asking about foam mattresses, I'll look for them when I'm out and about. If I spot them somewhere, I'll post where and the price - but on a new topic. I don't want to hijack this one . . .

A foam mattress? I don't know what use I would have for a foam mattress. I've never looked for one. So I'm sorry, but I don't know where to buy one. But if I were looking for one I know where I'd start - Index Furniture - on Sukhumvit, just north of Pattaya Klang - northbound lane.

Why not? Most of Bangkok's go-go bars are in the same general area. You could easily walk in, take a look around, and if you don't like what you see, just walk right back out again. Don't you do that anyway?

Absolutely right. Not only that, but I like to judge for myself as to how attractive the boys are. I see too many posts saying good looking boys are in this bar and not in that bar. Wrong. Doesn't it occur to those posters that not everyone has the same ideas as to what constitutes good looking? I'll decide for myself, thank you very much. And the only way I know to do that is to do exactly what firecat69 says - go to the bars and see for yourself. Do any of you really avoid certain bars because someone else said the boys are not attractive?

I too thought your post was excellent. As for the part I quoted, the owner, Raimond, is there every night. If the boy ordered a drink without your permission, you would have been well served to inform Raimond. Knowing him, I believe he would have removed the drink from your bill and later would have had a little 'chat' with the boy who did that - and that behavior would not be repeated. If he has boys doing that, he needs to know it. That's the kind of behavior that drives customers away. And you saw for yourself - the Sunee Plaza bars can ill afford to be driving customers away these days. It's one thing if you order a "drink for boy," but the boys don't get to order their own drink without the customer's permission - in any bar - especially if he plopped himself down with you uninvited. You don't have to put up with that.

Since you say you're going to be in Pattaya for 2 days, assuming your primary purpose in coming to Pattaya is the boys, I too would recommend staying in the Boyztown or Sunee Plaza area. You'll be right where the boys are and on a 2 day trip, most likely you'll be looking for boys in the go-go bars. And when you find them, you'll be a few steps from your hotel room. Where boys are concerned, you might as well forget about the beach. For whatever reasons, the boys don't go to the beach anymore. When you spend your time at the beach, if you see more than 1 or 2 available boys - other than boys who were dragged to the beach by a farang - let me know. A few days ago when I was entering Jomtien Complex, I ran into Rit, of Rit's Beach. Naturally he asked why he hasn't seen me at the beach for ages. I gave him an honest answer. I said, "If the boys come back, I'll come back." You mentioned you would have to take your stuff to the beach. How much stuff is that? Other than maybe a towel and perhaps a tablet or a book, what else do you need to take to the beach? On the other hand, if you change your mind and intend to spend your 2 evenings in Jomtien Complex rather than the Boyztown or Sunee Plaza go-go bars, then you would be better off staying in the beach area. There are plenty of places to stay in Jomtien Complex - with The Venue, Ganymede, and East Suites being the most popular.

I agree. I have seen exceptions where such relationships did work and work well, but those are rare and the odds are certainly against it - especially if the farang starts trying to control the boy's life. I've seen a great many more unhappy breakups than success stories. I'm sure some will disagree with me, but based on what I've seen over the years, the safest way to avoid heartbreak, jealousy, disillusionment, and a much lighter bank account is to adhere to what I call The Richard Burk Philosophy. Many years ago Richard gave me this advice: "If you want love in Thailand, rent it."

Consider your words duly marked. My experience is when it comes to boys seeking money, they don't give a damn if you're 160 as long as your wallet is open.

ChristianPFC leave change? That'll be the day . . .

You only have to be scared of that if I'm meeting you . . .

I don't think trying to pick up a 7-Eleven boy while he is waiting on other customers is a good idea. This is one time I would suggest holding off until he's not waiting on people. As long as you're busy making note of his work schedule, talk to him when there's nobody waiting to pay, when he's not at the cash register, when he's restocking, when he's on a break, etc. You could also just go in and buy something often enough that you can smile and say something quick as he's taking your money. He'll get to recognize you. It shouldn't take long to see if the "vibes" are good. If they are, just slip him a piece of paper with your name and phone number on it, while you're paying, and say "I hope you will call me when you have time." I've done that even when it was the first time I was ever in the store. Sometimes I do get a call and sometimes I don't.

I suspect this was a troll post all along. And if it wasn't intended to be a troll post, it was still a troll post . . .

"Cheats" on you? "Betrays you?" If this isn't some sort of hoax, and assuming the age difference between the two of you can be measured in decades, instead of simply trusting your boyfriend, you want to stalk and spy on him and are actually trying to find software to help you do it. What a wonderful relationship it must be, especially for him. You know what I would do if I were him? I'd head for the nearest 7-Eleven and get a new telephone number - and not let you know what it is. Ok, suppose you find the app you're looking for and suppose you'll know exactly where he is at all times. How is that going to tell you what he's doing and who he's doing it with? Suppose he's someplace you've decided you don't want him to be. What are you going to do, send a message to him telling him to leave? Suppose you find out that he really is having sex with somebody. So what? He's supposed to give up enjoying his life for the next six months because of some contrived sense of loyalty that you dreamed up? What will you do, first cry and then dump him? If you do dump him, based on what I'm reading that would be one of the luckiest days of his life. "the only way for me to be calm." That has to be one of the most selfish statements I've ever read on any of these boards. Are you truly expecting a young guy, or even an older guy for that matter, to be somewhere else for six months and abstain from sex just because you're not there to have it with him? Suppose he does have sex with others. Why shouldn't he? I hope he does and when you start complaining about it, due to your own incredible selfishness, I hope the first thing he does is tell you to screw off and to go try to control somebody else's life. If you're that worried about it, I have a solution for you. Go with him. Then you can follow him everywhere. He'll be delighted.

I think the kind of culture you seek is probably the best kind. I'm in Pattaya because it offers the kind of culture I seek - the worst kind . . . Aunt Esther (LaWanda Page): "You heathen! You're a dirty old man!" Fred Sanford (Redd Foxx): "Right! And I'll be a dirty old man 'till I'm a dead old man" - 'Sanford and Son'

I don't know. If there was a "rest of the story," Jim never told me. If you're curious to know if there's more to the story, you'll find Jim at the Baan Souy. My guess is because it probably never occurred to the farang that the boy might be under age. Many people, especially those who don't read these boards, simply assume if a boy is working in a bar, then he is of legal age. Even after the desk clerk realized it was his own ID card, they still didn't know. Without seeing the boy's actual ID card, how were they supposed to know whether he was under age or not? A great many Thai boys look much younger than their actual age. I'd say the farang was disappointed because he had bought drinks for the boy, paid an off fee, anticipated certain private activities - and ended up with nothing.

I should have mentioned in my post above - not only make sure he has ID, but also make sure the ID is his. Some of these boys, especially if they're under age, try to get away with using a friend or relative's ID card instead of his own. Several years ago when Madam Jim was still running The Ambiance, he told me a story about his front desk clerk. The clerk had lost his ID card. He looked all over for it, but couldn't find it. A few days later a farang wanted to bring a boy to his room in The Ambiance. The desk clerk thought the boy looked suspiciously under age. When he took a close look at the boy's ID card he had a big surprise. It was his - the one he lost! Whoops! One boy permanently banned from The Ambiance, one disappointed farang, and one very delighted front desk clerk.