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Since you already know where you wish to stay, why not ask them? I would find out before committing to a booking. There are certainly plenty of other places to stay if you're not pleased with what they tell you. High end hotels might not allow it. I really don't know. Obviously the gay hotels all allow 'guests.' So do many guesthouses and mid-level hotels. Some might charge a joiner fee, but the most popular hotels among where gay farang stay usually don't. Many will require the boy to submit his ID card to them before he'll be allowed to go anywhere beyond the front desk. Usually the hotels will check with you first, before giving the ID back to the boy, to make sure there are no problems, so make sure he has ID. If the boy cannot or will not produce ID, wrong boy. Find someone else. There will be differing opinions about how much to tip a boy. In my own opinion, in Pattaya a good tip amount for "short time," which means the boy leaves right after taking care of . . . well, you know, is 1000 baht. For "long time," which means he stays overnight with you is 1500 to 2000 baht. I advise making sure you and the boy agree on the amount - and make sure he understands - before you leave the bar or wherever you've met him. I also advise making sure he understands and agrees to whatever it is you wish for him to do with you sexually. Gay spas often will suggest tip amounts. If the boy tells you he wants more than those amounts, "up to you" whether you're willing to pay it, but those are the amounts I usually tip and I've never had any complaints. Most Pattaya boys are quite satisfied with those amounts. Remember, this is how these boys make their money. Gifts, dinners, nights out, drinks, shows, or whatever else - all might be appreciated, but those are not substitutes for their tip. No matter how much you might spend on them, you still need to give them their tip in addition to it. Also, if he needs to take a motorbike taxi or even a baht bus to get to and from you, give the fare to him too. You might also try the Sansuk Sauna. Tipping or money otherwise changing hands is not permitted at all there. I haven't been there in quite a long time, but people who do go tell me the best times of day to find willing boys is between 3:00pm to 6:00pm. It's hit or miss there. Sometimes there will be several available boys and sometimes there won't be any at all.

Your problem won't be finding plenty of willing boys. That will be the easy part. In Bangkok, Pattaya, or wherever you're going to be, if you talk to a bar manager or mama-san, they can easily arrange willing boys for you - for a fee. Your problem will be where to do it. Unless you plan to rent out an entire bar for a private party, which would be a very expensive proposition, where were you planning to do this? In your hotel room? I doubt many hotels would be keen on letting you just waltz in with a stream of boys in tow. If this isn't a hoax and you're really serious about it, maybe a bar manager, a mama-san, or the boys themselves can arrange a location. The bar itself might be available if you do this during the day, hours before the bar would normally open, although if word gets out you risk the possibility of an unwanted visit from the police right in the middle of the activities. The bar might not be willing to take that risk. You might also consider chartering a boat. You would need to tell the boat captain your intentions. Offer him enough money and he would probably be quite willing to take you and the boys out to sea and let you do your thing.

I've been honest in my opinions about what you present in you magazine. If you write something I can agree with, I'll say so just as I've done when I disagree. However, when the very rare occasions occur when I can post that I agree with you, I feel like the man whose wife has just died. The funeral director asked if he would consent to ride to the cemetery in the same car with his mother-in-law. The man said, "I'll do it, but it will ruin my whole day."

Incredibly enough, for once I agree with your article.

As a board owner, I was going to write a response to your latest article, which you asked board owners to do, but it's not worth the bother.

http://bangkokbois-gay-thailand-blog.com/2015/02/26/5-things-james-barnes-doesnt-want-you-to-know-about-out-in-thailand/

Like hell you're not putting people down because of their age. The way you wrote your garbage, you're damned right I "deny this." According to your "outwebmaster," you're pointing out the truth. Really? Your idea of truth is what you simply made up. As far as I'm concerned there are two words that best describe someone who would write that kind of utter insulting nonsense, let alone try to pass it off as truth. The first word is Horse's. You know what my opinion is. Don't worry, I won't post anything else on this topic. I'm too old, jaded, drunk, sad, and miserable to bother.

I am. Seems obvious enough to me. Don't you just love it when someone decides to pass himself off as the real expert, brushes off opinions expressed on the boards as coming from people who don't really know much of anything, and puts people down because of their age? Great idea - write an article that's going to alienate a lot of your own readership. There you have it, folks. Don't come to us "sad, jaded souls and trapped in their misery" anymore - not when you now know just where to find the real, high quality information. Mr. Barnes, would you mind explaining just what qualifies you as more knowledgeable than everyone else? My advice, which I already know will be disregarded and rejected, but I'll give it anyway - next issue, write a retraction and an apology.

I both agree and disagree. If I had been victimized or jeered at, certainly I would never return. But boycotting or voting with your feet might not help anything because boys so often move from bar to bar. Maybe they also move from massage shop to massage shop too. I don't know. I never go to gay massages. If I want a massage, the easiest thing in the world is to get a Gay Romeo boy to come over. I feel much more safe from theft and feel much more in control in my own place. I also see no reason to be paying for use of their room. I've got a room. Also, a boycot won't help much unless the venue being boycotted knows why it's being boycotted. I think the boy's story is an obvious lie, although he had to cook up some quick story when caught red handed. The wallet just happened to fall out of the pocket and onto the floor? Right when biguyby was in the shower? Bullshit. Even if that actually happened, then how did the boy know into which pocket to put the wallet? How did a couple hundred baht magically disappear from the wallet? I realize that biguyby reacted to the situation the way many of us would have reacted, but I wish he had gone ahead with the massage. That way, when it came time to tip the boy, he could have said, "You've already got your tip. You decided for yourself how much it should be." There are some rules I follow when I go to a venue or even have a boy come to my home. I stated Rule 1 above and repeat it now: 1. NEVER leave your wallet or any other valuables unattended or out of your sight. 2. NEVER carry more cash than you'll need and/or can afford to lose. 3. When it comes to money, trust no one.

Unfortunately, you learned a lesson the hard way. NEVER leave your wallet or any other valuables unattended or out of your sight. If you're going to be someplace where you will be taking a shower, take a plastic bag with you, put your wallet and valuables inside, and take it in with you. If all you lost was 200 baht, you were lucky. Even if the boy was telling the truth, why should you trust him or leave any temptations within easy access?

There are other boards besides this one and mine. If he was banned somewhere it had nothing to do with me or my board. What I think you don't realize is that I have great respect for firecat69 and I hope, at least to some degree, the feeling is mutual. Sure, we often agree, often disagree and argue, and sometimes even say not very kind things to each other. That doesn't mean we're at some kind of war. He's a strong willed personality and so am I. Sometimes our personalities clash. I understand that and I think so does he. In any case, I have absolutely no reason to ban him just because we're arguing now. We've had arguments before and it's inevitible that we'll have future arguments too. So what?

You have given me opportunities? You? Am I supposed to care about or be interested in opportunities you have given? I hate to break the news, but I don't owe you an explanation about a thing. By the way, weewillie, firecat69 has not been banned on my board. What makes you think I banned him? He's welcome to post on my board any time he wishes and always has been since the day he became a member. Just because we're having a minor word skirmish doesn't mean I have any intention of banning him.

Including this one, 3. Which topic are you referring to, the feedback about the maps topic or the one one it became 36 posts ago?

Make that 33 posts ago . . . Maybe that's the wrong way for me to say it. I think I ought to say it the way firecat69 usually does: Make that 33 posts ago!!!!!!!!!!!!

I remember when this topic was supposed to be feedback requested by Mr. Barnes about his maps. The last time I saw any such feedback was 26 posts ago . . .

Probably the least complicated way is to click on "More Reply Options," right next to the "Post" icon. You will see how to attach files.

There's a very simple way for you to resolve those problems. Contact Nicky's and ask permission to copy his information and maps and use them for your own web site and magazine, attributing the credit to him. His information is always accurate and up to date - and he doesn't seem to have any problem keeping it that way. The good news is even I'm feeling that I'm posting about this 'ad nauseum.' I've made my opinion clear. This will be my last post on this topic. Yay!

Aha! Now I get it. You're writing an article of your own. Title - "How to Be Evasive" , , , Oh well, since I'm just one of those 'Damned Yankees," you already know I'm not going to post like a refined southern gentleman. Even I don't expect them to update the maps every month. I wouldn't complain if they updated them quarterly or perhaps even semi annually. Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for them to make certain the maps are accurate even once. That hasn't happened. As far as I can tell, Nicky's Gay Thailand always manages to have his maps correct. Why can't Mr. Barnes? I have no feedback about the rest of their magazine. He didn't ask for that. He asked only for feedback about the maps.

Will we? I stand by what I said and the way I said it, Yankee or not. I think the way I said it is entirely appropriate. You seem to want to turn this thread into an "about Gaybutton" topic. It isn't about me. It's about the maps. Instead of worrying about my feedback or way I said it, how about posting your own feedback.

I don't agree with that at all. Not only is that beside the entire point of the topic, but just because you've decided to label my board as a business does not make it so. A business is there to try to monetarily profit. I don't profit at all. As a matter of fact, since I'm the one who pays for my board and everything associated with it, not only do I not profit, but I knowingly and voluntarily operate at a loss. What I do is not a profession, but publication of a profit-making magazine is. If people rely on me, it's because I at least do my damndest to keep my board accurate and up to date. When I'm wrong I admit it and take responsibility for it whether it's my fault or not. Again, that is beside the point of this topic. This topic exists because Mr. Barnes asked for feedback about his maps. I've given my feedback. Will yours be to heap praise and tell him all about the fabulous job he's doing with his maps? My opinion about his maps is they are out of date and inaccurate whether they will continue to appear in the magazine or online. All I see is a bunch of lame excuses as to why that is and I think if he can't take the responsibility to make sure they're up to date and accurate, then he shouldn't be publishing them. None of that has anything to do with me or my board. If you disagree with my feedback about the maps, then I suggest you post your own.

Yes, and I think the nastiness is perfectly justified. I see no difficulty in keeping their maps updated and I see no excuse for failing to do it. That's what they, not us, but they are supposed to be doing. If these maps are the result of relying on their readers to supply the information, then it's not quite working out, is it? I could understand if there were just one or two errors, but these maps are a disgrace. I'll say it again: It's their responsibility. If they can't keep their maps accurate, then don't publish them. That's my feedback, which they asked for, which they got, and which I fully expect to be ignored. If they want to continue publishing half-assed information and continue giving excuses for it, that's their affair.

Your entire post is my idea of a load of horse hockey. You've been appreciating our patience since the day you started your magazine. Visiting every listing personally is exactly what you should be doing or paying someone to do it for you. You're the one publishing the maps. The rest of your post is nothing but excuses for being unprofessional and failing to take responsibility for what you publish. Again, if you cannot, or will not, make sure your informantion is accurate, then since you're a profit making enterprise don't publish information you know to be inaccurate. Who do you think benefits by inaccurate information? You asked for feedback. Now you've got it. What were you expecting?

You won't get any from me. The accuracy of your publication is your responsibility, not ours. You've been told that before too. Your response was, and apparently still is, that you rely on your readers to send you the information. In my opinion that is unprofessional, especially for a profit making publication. You're the one who decided to go into the magazine business. If you are truly interested in professionalism and accuracy, go out and get the information yourself or open your wallet and pay staff to get it for you. I can't speak for others, but as for me, I'm not here to be a de facto free staff member for you.

I think that would be a very good idea for all the magazines that publish maps. Include accurate GPS coordinates for the venues listed - with emphasis on accurate. I'll return Mr. Barnes' "best wishes" once he starts taking responsibilty for the accuracy of what he publishes.

Ok, since you asked here's my feedback. Your maps are still inaccurate and incomplete. Also, if anyone wants to use the maps anyway, how are they supposed to do that if they're not in the magazine? Are you expecting people to come for a holiday and then spend time on a computer to search your maps? I've been telling you about the faulty maps ever since you first started up your magazine and to this day they're still faulty. If you cannot, or will not, provide accurate, up to date maps, then maybe you should consider entirely eliminating the maps from your publication.