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Do they really open at 8 PM? I'm guessing all the boys won't be there yet? Has anyone here come this early?

So I just got out of Tawan an hour and a half ago, and noticed a new (to me) face - #1. Anyone have any experience offing him? He is built like a truck and looks like bodybuilder competition ready and no ounce of fat in him.

Great start vinapu, keep them coming . It's 39 hours till I land in BKK (not that I'm counting), and your report has added to my excitement and anticipation. Maybe if I don't get stuck in a long BF experience I may write a report as well. Tawan will be my first stop because of this post.

This is amazing novelle, this is so spot on. I’ve dealt with this negative stereotyping all my life. I grew up in Southern California, and I was a super twink in my 20s. Probably 90% of the guys who hit on me want to fetishize and feminize me, assume I am a certain way, because I was young, Asian, and a twink. Sometimes I would go with it, being naïve and gullible and all that, but a few encounters have been degrading and pathetic. When I turned 30 I decided to put on muscle, as an unconscious way of masculinizing myself to people. I soon realized that I was doing it for the wrong reasons, and I was trying to fight negative stereotype of the “weak feminine Asian man”. This stereotype pervaded not only my personal life but also is reflected in popular culture. I do see my Asian brothers pack on the muscle as well for the exact same wrong reason as I did. I am glad things are changing, Like what you see in Taiwan and Thailand. Now I am more comfortable in my own skin. I’m still muscular sure, but because I’ve owned it as part of who I want to continue being, not because I am trying to break stereotypes, or satisfy anyone’s idea of what an Asian man should be. This thread has hit close to home because I am reminded of what negative stereotypes are still out there, and how it continues to affect my life.

I don't know if you think that 35 is old, but I'm Asian(-American) and go for young (18-25) farangs (white boys). I've never paid for boys here in the US, and do not get as much attention from the young ones as much as when I was in my 20s, but I do get the occasional nibble from time to time, especially when on travel (and when I do it's always unexpected, because it's when I do not pursue the boy). But then I do cast a wide net, as I am also attracted to men in their 30s and 40s, as long as the overall attractiveness (for me) and swagger is there, and would prefer hot sweaty intense sex with a gorgeous 45 yr old leather daddy, than a beautiful 20 year old white twink who just lays there and does nothing but expects a BJ from you.

I have a good friend who is in his late 20s (half Asian, half white) whose optimal partner is white guys between 40-mid 50s. He says late 40s is his sweet spot. He likes hairy white guys, with facial hair, who are stout and muscular and don’t mind if there’s a belly as long as it complements the whole package. I guess that's why he drags me to the Eagle (a leather bar in Los Angeles) every chance he gets. He’s told me more than once that he can’t wait to be the same age as his sex partners, because normally he gets hit on by younger white guys, who he entertains but does not like, and gets ignored by the silver muscle daddies because they go for guys similar to them. Once in a while I get a 18-22 year old on Grindr wanting sex (this is in California). Asking more questions reveals that they want someone old and more experienced to teach them the ropes and practice having sex with guys. I’ve gotten over the fact that, at 35 years old, that these kids think I am “old”, and just relish the fact that there are kids their age that still want me. Conversely, sometimes I do not have the patience to be the “teacher” and just want to get my rocks off by someone who knows what they’re doing. A common complaint with some of my friends who like having someone young, but do not like the bad sex. And it’s just not the young inexperienced once, there are guys who've just come out and are not experienced with gay sex yet, so there’s that. I guess the beauty (or downside, pick your poison), of getting boys in Thailand is that they have been around the block more than once, so they probably know what good sex feels like. I certainly do not feel that I go to Thailand and pay for sex to “not settle for less”. I find white guys more attractive than Asians (not by much tho), which explains why my BF is white and close to my age. We met when he was 26, when he was a tall lean twink then. Now he is more muscular and a little bit more mature (at 34) but I find him more attractive now than in his mid-20s. So if I was going to “not settle for less”, then I guess I would have to troll around the college campuses on Grindr, or go to Prague or Rio De Janeiro to rent my knight in shining white armor. But I choose to go to Thailand because of the overall scene. The weather, the beaches, the food, the overall mood, and yes, the beautiful boys, free or not, all add up to my idea of paradise. If it was just sex for me, I would just stay here in Los Angeles. But I always find myself going back to Thailand for more.

Awesome trip report ggobkk! Wish I could be as concise as you when I write . Your report has made me really excited about my own BKK trip in June. Looking forward to spending more time at Hot Male. I've flown ANA my last two trips to BKK via Tokyo as well (flying United to and from LAX) and have been able to change my seat assignment weeks before my flights. All you need is the ANA record locator (the six digit alphanumeric number) and put in your name and you can change your seat assignments on the ANA website. I've found that the layover security check at Narita is fairly uneven (sometimes fast, sometimes slow, regardless of the number of people going through) so yeah anything less than a two hour layover is nerve-wracking.

What is a good time to have a stroll at the park to see guys working out? Is it true that some Tawan guys work out there?

I did talk to my Burmese boy last April about Aung San Suu Kyi and democracy in Myanmar, but then again it wasn't in a bar, and he is not a bar boy (yet, I think he is close to being one). When we first met (at a restaurant), he asked me these same standard questions. It's probably the universal icebreaker for all the boys in Thailand when getting to know farang.

For sure orson. I've booked a 1 bedroom condo in Silom and looking now at my options in Pattaya near Boyztown area. I'll report on what I find and my experience when I'm done with my stay, but thanks to a few posters (you know who you are, you guys are awesome), who have given me tips through PM. I do feel though like I've unlocked another BKK/Pattaya component that has previously been unexplored by me. Since I'm going to have a potentially longer stay this fall/winter I'm eager to tap into the rental condo market, though I am sure these properties are perfectly fine for shorter stays as well.

It's the Marriott on Beach Rd/Second Rd, which is a very short walk to Boyztown, not the Courtyard Marriott in South Pattaya, although the Courtyard is walkable to Sunee Plaza.

Thanks firecat69! paulsf has graciously PM'ed me about his experiences. A couple of other posters have PM'ed me as well. Looks like I am going to give this a try in June .

So it's May (or almost May where I live), and I am preparing for my 3rd trip to Bangkok this year set for late June. I've always stayed at the Crowne Plaza or Holiday Inn Express Sathorn whenever I stay in the Silom/Surawong area of Bangkok, because I have free points that I can use. But I want to mix it up this trip, and decided to look for a condo rental or AirBNB rental. Some requirements: 1) has a gym and (maybe) a pool 2) no problem taking a different boy to the room every night or even at daytime 3) a safe - to store passport and money I'm sort of doing research as well because I might have a one month stay coming up in the winter, and a condo would be a little bit more comfortable for a longer stay, because most of them have kitchens as well. I've been looking at AirBNB listings for the Silom area near BTS Sala Daeng/Chong Nonsi, and also close to Surawong Rd, and some of them are promising (some one-bedrooms for $40 - $55, which is a great deal). Anybody have any experience and possible recommendations?

I want to join the chorus of support that the others have given and say that this too shall pass. I've been lucky with my BF of 8 years (albeit we are both Americans, but that shouldn't make a difference), and would be devastated if ever our relationship were to end. While I do not know the circumstances of the causes of your separation with you man, but an unexpected one is probably the worst of them all. Going by my experience the last few times I've visited Thailand, I know that there are a lot of Thais/Asians looking for love out there, both sex workers and free boys. I hope this experience does not dissuade you in visiting Thailand again, despite many things that will probably remind you of your ex. Like you, I am most happy when in a relationship, and can't seem to stop forming close relationships with boys whenever I am in Thailand. It will only take one right boy to get you back on your feet again, even if it is just a rebound, so I hope you start trying soon!

I haven't been monogamous with my BF since close the beginning of our relationship, because it worked for us and we knew that the love we have is different from the sex we (mostly me) have with other people. Loving someone else, like a BF, is something I try not to do, since I already have a great thing going with my man. With my time with my Burmese buddy, my mind played games on me, and there were moments when I thought I'd like him to be my BF as well. During our time together in BKK two weeks ago, whenever we would see or meet some hot Thai guy at Fake Club or GCircuit, my BF would joke around about getting him as a Thai "houseboy" to stay with us at our house in California. I told him good thing we are not married yet, because this meant that we would have to marry the boy to get him a Green Card so he can live with us. He just laughed at this (preposterous) idea, and never thought I was serious. I'd think that it will be an unnecessary complication to put on our relationship, which has been really great since Day 1. So I may not be monogamous, but being polygamous, or having two or more BFs, is something I might not be ready for yet, or ever. This week back has been interesting, since I've been overcompensating with the tenderness and love for my BF (and I missed him too, since I was gone a week to go to Phuket, so it was easy), at the same time been trying to limit my Line messages with Burmese boy, as to not lead him on.

On the contrary, everything was hot and heavy from Day 1. Hanging out with a young and cute boy for 8 days in a romantic city doing very romantic things is not good for anyone who already has a boyfriend, so I was definitely playing with fire. He seemed to have grown fond of me as well, and he cried on our last night together, before I had to hop on a plane. Lesson learned: I need to just keep it within fuck buddy terms (something I have a problem doing, since I love the boyfriend experience), or just stick to gogo boys, preferably a different one a day (like a multivitamin, and equally good for my health lol).

Again, thanks for all the feedback. I probably won’t be doing a trip report to describe my three week BKK and Phuket trip during Songkran, GCircuit and days after, since I only had sex with two people (my BF – American, and my buddy – Burmese), so it’s probably boring compared to the other reports here . It’s my first time in Phuket, and I spent 4 days and 3 nights in Phuket with my young Burmese buddy. Some general about the city (and the trip with my buddy, in general): 1) I wasn’t prepared for the airport being as far from Patong as it was. Not as far as Pattaya is from Suvarnabhumi (I use a 900 baht car service that gets me to Boyztown), but not as close to BKK is. There is a 100 Baht surcharge on top of the metered rate if you use the taxis. I was not prepared to use public transport, and it was very hot, so was more than happy to pay the 730 Baht fate (including the surcharge), to get to the Holiday Inn Resort in Patong. 2) Patong Beach really is a much better beach than Pattaya’s, and we went there to walk all three days for the sunset. Reminded me of Waikiki beach. No desire from both of us to swim it, since the hotel pools were way more awesome. 3) The gay club scene was kind of paltry, compared to BKK’s or Pattaya’s. But at least there was one. Enjoyed ZAG and YES! Clubs. Gogo boys were much older than we were used to, but still hot nevertheless. In contrast, the girlie bars on Soi Bangla was ALIVE with activity. We even decided to have drinks at one because of all the excitement around the area. Maybe we went on off nights (non weekend, after Songkran, before Pride). 4) Grindr less commercial than Pattaya. In Pattaya, I’ll be slammed with Money Boys advertising their wares, often for really cheap. In Phuket, I got a total of one MB offering massage and “everything” sex for 1500 Baht (discounted to 1300 Baht a day later). Maybe it is a function of Songkran and boys went home for the holidays, or if it is just how Phuket is. 5) You guys were right, Phuket is better to be experienced with a friend. It is less gay, and less gay-visible, so having a buddy to explore and see the sites is better. It is also surprisingly romantic: the sunset, the vibe, the food, all lent to love being in the air. Maybe it was just me and the Burmese boy I was with, but boy, was I in trouble. I’ll probably go back again, this time with my BF. Thanks for the advice!

Cool I'll be there in 3 days!

Cool. One of the few I drink straight up. Guess I'll have to go to the ATM for that one.

I hope so . I've had that happen a few times last few trips. Thanks for the tip.

Wow 4k! That's pricey stuff. What kind of booze is it? I guess I should be thankful that the US dollar is (still, relatively) strong.

Question 3: OK, so I'll pretty much handle this like a short-time off. I'll ask the boy if it is OK to take him to DJ and/or restaurant. I'm pretty much going to tip him prevailing short time rate. 3some may or may not happen (80% might not happen), but will tip accordingly. I do not expect us to off a guy, but wanted to leave this as an option for us at least. vinapu: We might off a boy who I've offed in the past. Known quantity, and most probably worth the short time off fee. ChristianPFC: thanks for the link, interesting to see a lot of other people's perspective on the matter. Glad I am not the only one thinking of doing this. DivineMadman: the point for us is taking an "actual working gogo boy" out to dancing and food, not necessarily just have any other kind of boy for companionship. I'd like the BF to have interaction with a gogo boy not just in a bar. There will be plenty of opportunities for us to make new friends during GCircuit (as I have, with my friends, the past two parties). Who knows, we may get new Thai (or whatever) friends this way, as I hope we do. Good point about TIME being important thus my preference in paying him prevailing short time off fee, sex or no sex. colmx: again, looks like you have a ton of experience with this. Thanks for sharing your systematic way of handling a third boy. I hope we don't end up with a shit bag lol (that word cracks me up for no apparent reason). Good point about your Thai boyfriend using his advantage to communicate your wishes. I may use this tactic in Phuket with my Thai-Speaking Burmese boy.

Question 2: We probably won't do this in every bar (I do not see this happenning in Jupiter, for example). colmx: Looks like you have a lot of experience with this. Great tips thanks. I'll be prepared to pay more for mixers if need be. The point is to make the boys happy and sit with us while there is a show. gerefan: 1800 baht for a bottle seems reasonable, since accounting for both our drinks and the boys drink (350 baht X 3 or 4 = 1050 - 1400 baht), its close to that amount anyway. And its probably less money overall than we are used to in West Hollywood ($10 - $15 a drink, 5 or so drinks a night per person). Regardless, not looking to penny pinch that much this vacation. I'll let you know how much Dreamboys BKK will "rob" us . If they charge more than L.A. I'll be impressed. Hong Kong bars definitely charge more at times. DivideMadman: I'm prepared to have a roll of 100 baht these 4 nights we will be doing this . Thanks for the tip. I'll definitely do this at Hot Male now.

Question 1: Great stuff guys. So summarizing: I should not be worried about having guys sit with us as long as: 1) I tip him 100 baht, or 100 baht each for my BF and I 2) Get him a drink, or two, making boy (getting his cut) and mamasan happy (less harassment from them) 3) Tell him we are not offing him, and he is free to go if someone else is interested in him firecat69: thanks for thinking I will be generous. I do tip on the high side (I am easy to please I think), and usually have good luck picking boys who have positive attitudes.

Believe it or not, there is a ton of other stuff you can do in Bangkok other than offing hot guys. I know right, what a concept. Though that is all I did last February for two weeks, this trip is different. It's never a waste of time and money to have fun in Bangkok, whatever fun that would be, IMHO. YMMV of course . I'll be back to my whoring ways in June.