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Thats about 5.5k baht a day. As a comparison, im quite sure i spend 8-10k a day during my travel, though my trip is more of a week at a time.

Happy to report both nation has agreed to a ceasefire. Even more happy that it happened in malaysia https://www.reuters.com/world/china/thailand-cambodia-agree-ceasefire-malaysia-pm-2025-07-28/

Geez, so many to pick what to say. Luckily, most people here already says a lot so ill try to cover what people havent said yet. First. No request of money by text when you are at home, but keep complaining about no customer. For me, if the guy is one of my regular guy, thats something i would appreciate to know. But since you've only took him once, so if its were me, id be put off already. Even guy who i took once, but kept bugging me daily to come to his bar, would make me think twice revisiting him on the same trip lol but this is just me. Like @ichigo mentioned above, why settle with one guy when there are so many choices in bangkok? Second. Requesting to spend a day with him for 5k. Not sure if i miss anything, but from reading your post, he asked you to spend a day with him for 5k, or did he asked to spend your whole trip with you for 5k a day? Or did he just mentioned his day rate is 5k and you assumed/ or you yourself wanted to take him for the whole month? Anyway, why i asked might have something to do with his refusal to negotiate the rate. If he is the one who asked you to take him off bar for your whole trip which is a month, i figure he should be more willing to accept a discount. I dont want to go into how much money is worth the rate for hin as i know nothing about him and his quality of service and i dont think all guys in the bars should only charge a fixed rate, regardless how popular they are. You yourselves should be the best person to judge how much he is worth for you, or how much you are willing to pay him for his company. If you were the one that asked him about staying with you for the whole 30 days when he brought up the daily rate topic, then before he even want to think about accepting lower rate, he probably think about all the things he need to change, any plans or future customer who already told him they are coming, or maybe a trip back home for a sister birthday he might miss etc so his 4k a day request might be what he think the rate that is worth all the trouble. As you say, he is straight, so spending a month with another guy might not be his first choice, despite the money, unless the money is worth the hassle.i suppose? Third. Did you go further in details with him what does staying for a whole day really means? Basically the arrangement. How many sex a day? What is your plan for the day and the night? Will he need to pack his clothes and basically move in with you and stay for the whole month, or he is allowed to go back to his apartment daily? Seems like petty but i think this discussion is important to have before i even consider taking someone on a long term hire. Usually if its my regular, a lot of these questions i already know the answer to, and he probably already know what im expecting of him too, so my discussion will probably more on logistical things during daytime. And by having this discussion, you could see his reaction on your demands and plans, and can probably see if hiring him all day long term is a good thing or not. Going straight to negotiating rate for me, is a tad forward and seems to tell him that he cant do anything to earn more, just what you are willing to pay. Lastly, all the behaviour you see after you insist and 2.5k and him at 4k, i see that as he already gave up on the idea of you hiring him daily, in fact maybe even for you to continue to be his customer, so he just taking as much as he can before he bails, or you bails, whichever comes first. If you still want him, he would just stick to that 5k overnight rate you gave him. If not, at least he already extracted as much baht as he can from you so he can move on too. To him, why stick to one customer when there plenty more to come. My advise, only do long term hire with someone you are already comfortable with, and have hired few times overnight or have taken a short trip once or twice before. And be clear with your expectation when hiring him longer term. And on the price, if both of you cant arrived to the same agreement, move on. He clearly did. I know we want the boys to understand our logic of bulk discount but im sure he also has some doubts that there will be all smooth sailing for the whole 30 days so that 75k you consider as guaranteed income, for him, might not be guaranteed as he only knows you for merely 1 night and one short time before.

Its all about priority. If you regret spending those money travelling to thailand, maybe u should stop going, as you seems to prioritize upgrading bathroom more than travelling to thailand for boys.

Most likely those incident happened in the disputed land at the border where both countries are claiming that land are theirs.... I thought that is the main reason of the conflict?

I wouldnt discount vck, in soi ari, not that far from silom but definitely further away than your choice of senso, prince or arena.

I share the same opinion with regard of age but im more picky with the physiques lol

I had the chance to do the same as you and visit tawan and atlas recently and arrived to the same conclusion. Ive visited atlas once before and thought they need to get more boys in their line up, and they do deliver this time. Granted i visited atlas on a saturday night, and tawan on a sunday night, so might not be an apple to apple comparison, but atlas has better line up of boys, both the body builder and the regular/twinkier guys. I even had an eye on one of the regular guy who is really handsome, but unfortunately he was already with a customer when i enter the bar. I waited for a while, until that customer offed him before moving on to a diff bar. I didnt find any candidate in tawan on sunday night.

This measure definitely made it not worth the hassle to cross border and pay the transfer fee plus the bib fee, having only 7 days (5 days if discounting travel day) even for the famous ones especially on low season period. I feel that we forum members should visit phnom penh and siem reap and help the guys there hehe. Seems like some of them did move to work there. How i wish someone in the know would grab these handsome cambodian guys to work in malaysia hehe.

Usually i would advise to have an escape route in case of things like this. Another option is to voice your dislike about him fixating on the phone. But that wont solve the part where he is sticking with you all the day time too hehe.

With the current exchange rate, seems like hiring guys from japan is comparable to hiring guys from jupiter or muscular guys in KL... I might need to rethink my next destination lol Just did the comparison, 16000 yen for 100min service inclusive of travel and outcall. Thats barely over 3.5k baht... Or usd100 or rm450...

Did you looked back with a different lense the time you visit mexico vs living in mexico before you decided to move to mexico? Maybe during that time, that wise man havent given his advice yet? Hehe

interesting. Atlas and the one still surviving is already music to my ear

Not for fun means im here to work. Sometimes they use abbreviation NFF, which can mean both not for fun and not for free.

Interesting. Recently, we have an issue that i believe falls under this in malaysia. Would love to hear your opinion about it, and perhaps, it can become a topic for the moot competition lol.