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I'm not a Pattaya guy but I admire the effort the owner puts into promoting his place and making it attractive to punters. He's providing an opportunity for his crew to earn a living in a welcoming setting. It's the kind of business that deserves support and I wish him well.

Always. That's what separates us from the animals: we take money. 🙂

Some shops update their on-line presence daily albeit with slightly different twists. All understandably use photos of their guys as their main draw. KK Massage is perhaps the more inventive, using stills pics and videos to entice customers. As for the shop amenities, the SK shops are pretty basic. Most I've encountered I found acceptably clean but basic Some offer those mini containers of mouthwash (BT House, KK and K-Man come to mind) that I appreciate and nearly all offer bottled water or tea. The Silom Soi 6 shops have en suite showers and most have massage tables except for those opting for Thai massage. The Silom-Surawong shops differ from SK in that their staffs are always on site. Most on display outside the shop or just inside the entrance. You're right about the go-go bars. They may employee a handful of barkers out on the soi to corral passers by but do next to nothing on line. In this day and age, it's puzzling at best. Moonlight is probably better than most with periodic Facebook postings. I often wonder if owners really understand their client base. It seems if they did they'd offer user choice of language. In any case, I think we agree that there's no substitute for the in-person visit.

Telling someone that they're a great dancer is never poorly received. I'm confident more than a few would welcome an invitation to perform--especially in Bangkok. 🙂

You list a ton of reasons why the Saphan Kwai shops are a lousy business model, Mac. I can only offer one in their defense. I go there 2-3 times a week when I’m in town so they must be doing something right.

Well don’t keep us in suspense. Just tell us what is this phenomenal interest of yours.

Nothing succeeds like excess!

You just did 🙂

KK Massage posted a page of Top and Bottom masseurs today. It's not an exhaustive list of their offering; just a sample. Here's a video of a selection of all types of offerings also posted today. KK.2.mp4

From The Nation Loading... Transport Minister Suriya Juangroongruangkit has ordered interprovincial bus operator Transport Co and other relevant agencies to urgently address all issues raised about the Bangkok Bus Terminal. This order was in response to complaints raised by Move Forward Bangkok MP Suphanat Minchaiynunt after he visited the terminal in Bangkok’s Chatuchak district. Suphanat listed the following problems: • 5 broken escalators • No lifts • 10 of 15 available fire extinguishers are broken • Inaccessible first-aid room • Inaccessible room for breastfeeding • No air-conditioning at bus platforms • Nobody using ticket vending machines • No ease of access for people with disabilities • Low lighting • Intruders in empty areas in the terminal • Defective toilets • Defective signboards • Taxi and motorcycle taxi drivers demanding expensive fares • No connection to BTS station Suphanat said he had raised these issues earlier and called on the authorities for action, but to no avail. Suriya responded on Saturday, saying that the Transport Ministry and other relevant agencies have acknowledged the complaint and are getting ready to address the issues as soon as possible. He also pointed out that the Bangkok Bus Terminal is linked to the Krungthep Aphiwat Central Terminal (Bang Sue Grand Station), which is in line with the ministry’s policy to make travelling easy for locals. The minister also said that relevant agencies have been instructed to deal with unscrupulous cabbies and motorcycle taxis, as well as intruders in empty spots in the terminal. https://www.nationthailand.com/thailand/politics/40034260

From Bangkok Post Health officials are looking to tighten preventive and control measures after finding higher rates of syphilis and gonorrhoea among young people, says Public Health Minister Cholnan Srikaew. Continues at https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2715383/alarm-sounded-over-syphilis-infections

Definitely want to go there with a list. I'd advise against choosing anyone in the shop at time of visit. My experience has been that they are likely to have already serviced other customer(s) before you. Would also avoid accepting mamasan's suggestions. Otherwise, a good, reliable shop. You can reserve your choice on day of visit in advance by phone or on line without request for deposit. However, have 3-5 guys in in mind. Shop has been good getting back to me with availability.

"One Spa". Before this evolves into a "Who's on First?" routine, that's the name of the shop: One Spa. Located on Sutthisan Winitchai Rd. opposite Esso Station at Soi Inthmara 3, it's about a 15 minute walk from Saphan Kwai BTS. When I checked today, the layout was 12 guys to a page, filling 21 pages. If you go to link below, you can click on individual pics for additional photos. Here's a screenshot of a random page. https://onespa.love/ Spoken like someone who's never been there. As you can see from website, they're all the real deal. If you can pull yourself away from Pattaya, check it out. 🙂 Having sampled many of the offerings, I can recommend it.👍

Age anyway 🙂 Here’s a tip that may help you conserve time.: One Spa in Saphan Kwai at last check has 28 pages (9 guys to a page) of masseurs posted on line. Has to be biggest in town.

You don't necessarily have to do nasty things. This thread may give you some ideas.

You might inquire what your hotel would charge to arrange it. I'd expect it would be at least twice the taxi fare but might be worth it for your peace of mind. Personally I take the train if it's running on my arrival. Excellent safety record and great people watching.

Nothing succeeds like excess.☺️

From Pattaya Mail By Barry Kenyon The tweak in the Thai Revenue rules, affecting both Thai and foreign tax residents, means that income derived from assessable foreign sources is to be taxable from new year’s day 2024. The exact impact and scope remain fog-bound, but it is no exaggeration to say that the move has put the cat firmly amongst the expat pigeons who spend six months or more in the kingdom in a calendar year. The fiscal move may indeed be aimed at wealthy Thais with offshore bank accounts or profits from overseas businesses, but the typical expat risks being trapped in the crossfire. The Thai tax authority is still mulling the detail. Officers know that whatever tax is due on cash transferred to Thailand during 2024 won’t appear on an individual’s tax return until 2025. So no hurry in their eyes. Most expats, of course, have barely heard of a Thai tin (tax identification number), let alone filled one in. And that’s part of the problem. Many older expats hate the idea of being ensnared in Thai financial bureaucracy and, potentially, needing to hire a tax lawyer. Or, of course, leave the country for pastures new. It may not come to that. For example, the Revenue has not issued a ruling on whether foreign income (such as pensions) are taxable under the enforcement decree. It may come down to the detail in double taxation agreements which Thailand has made with scores of countries. But they are all different in scope and most readers will require an expert to decipher the meaning of some of the clauses. Many Bangkok-based accountancy and legal firms are already anticipating a huge rise in the number of troubled clients. What is at stake, of course, is Thailand’s future as a retirement base. Over the years, Thailand has built up a reputation as a safe and attractive home for expats. Many have bought condominium units or set up a company to purchase a house. In future, there is no guarantee that foreigners sending money for these purposes won’t be taxed on the lump sum. If so, the prospects for the Thai property market might well take a downward swing without precedent. Whether the Thai government has thought out all the consequences of the Revenue decree seems unlikely. The Thai Board of Investment has suggested that the solution is for foreigners to apply for the 10 year golden visa, Long Term Residence, as this permits most overseas income to be brought into Thailand without any taxes together, as well as granting other financial and immigration perks. But the LTR isn’t available for retirees unless their annual income is at least US$80,000 a year or they are prepared to invest mega-cash in Thai banks or securities. There is no shield from the Revenue in Elite visas or one year extensions of stay based on retirement, marriage etc. Although no formal government statistics are issued, there are believed to be 400,000 to 500,000 longstay foreigners in Thailand who could be affected by the latest Revenue move. Some of these hold authorized work permits and already have a tax identification number for their local salary. Others are freelancers conducting online activities and earning from international clients. But most are older expats, retirees existing mainly or solely on pre-taxed pension and social security payments. The challenge for Thailand now is how to maintain competiveness in the global market. In the meantime, the internet is awash with wrong information such as a fabricated claim that retirees have to prove to immigration that their 800,000 cash lump sum has already been taxed in the home country or that all visa holders over 50 must have a tax identification number when renewing their annual permit. Optimistic bloggers say that the whole Revenue business is a chimera and that nothing will happen in practice, whilst pessimists predict that any foreign cash will have 35 percent automatically deducted on arrival. None of that is true, but continued silence about the government’s intentions can only boost falsehoods, innuendos and gossip. That’s no way to run a taxation system or to market a country to the outside world.

Sadly, even actual concert goes are known to exhibit these characteristics. Book a ticket to SE Asia, a sure cure for the blues that beset you. Will buy you a suitable glass of wine and introduce you some guys who badly want to become your new best friend. Allow me to be the first to wish you a happier New Year! 😊 There is no need to thank me.

You cast a wide net, Marc. Sure there aren't any "thugs' in your own back yard you'd care to include? From Wikipedia South Asia is the southern subregion of Asia, which is defined in both geographical and ethnic-cultural terms. As commonly conceptualized, the modern states of South Asia include Afghanistan,[7] Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and in some cases, Iran. South Asia borders East Asia to the northeast, Central Asia to the northwest, West Asia to the west and Southeast Asia to the east. Topographically, it is dominated by the Indian subcontinent and is bounded by the Indian Ocean in the south, and the Himalayas, Karakoram, and Pamir mountains in the north.

I certainly hope so. 😀

So glad you watched the video 😊

Foreign tourists, reported to be of Indian nationality, engaged in a violent brawl with Thai people right on Pattaya Beach Road early today, sending shockwaves through the city just one day before its New Year’s celebration. For those interested, the video of the incident. Keep in mind, although nobody was seriously injured and the video is not graphic, extremely sensitive viewers should use caution. https://fb.watch/pd1DYdAKjL/?mibextid=Nif5oz On December 28th, 2023, at dawn, local residents and joggers running along Pattaya Beach captured the shocking incident on video, which quickly went viral on Thai social media. The roughly one-minute clip depicted Thai and Indian people, both men and women, exchanging blows in the middle of busy Pattaya Beach Road near Soi 13 in the Nongprue sub-district. The video showed individuals wielding dangerous objects like sticks over a meter long, belts, glass bottles, and even metal kitchen ladles. The aggressive behavior brought traffic on part of Beach Road to a standstill as onlookers feared getting caught in the crossfire. Despite the distressed cries of women in the vicinity, no one dared intervene, and the brawl continued unabated for an unknown period. The cause of the initial confrontation remains unclear as of press time, but the incident has cast a shadow over Pattaya’s image as a peaceful tourist destination, particularly at a time when the town is gearing up for a grand New Year’s celebration, the eyewitness said. Pattaya police have not yet disclosed if any complaints regarding the incident have been filed, but an investigation is underway. Police are expected to interview both parties involved and collect CCTV footage from the area as evidence for potential legal proceedings.

NOTE -- There are as many "lists" as there are cities and I don't put a lot of stock in any. The Mastercard one at least bases its information on cash transactions (you know you've won when they give you the money 😄). From The Nation Bangkok, Phuket and Pattaya were among the top 20 most visited cities in the world this year, according to a report by the payment-processing corporation Mastercard. Thailand’s capital topped the ranking with 22.78 million international visitors. Following Bangkok are Paris (19.10 million visitors) and London (19.09 million visitors). Phuket ranked 14th with 9.89 million visitors, while Pattaya ranked 15th with 9.44 million visitors.