hank75

I want to thank everyone for time and energy you have put into replying to my questions. This is a trove of valuable advice which I have read through carefully! I’m sure other questions will come to mind over the coming days, and I will keep everyone posted when my trip happens.

Paborn, good to know and I will keep that in mind. I still plan to visit the bars but am expecting my next visit to be work and on a very tight schedule, so I would prefer not to rewatch shows I’ve seen several times. Show-watching is a luxury kept for holidays or when with friends. Also I have some gay colleagues that I plan to introduce to the bar scene at some point but would prefer to keep my own offing discreet.

Perhaps I have been unlucky. On my few past visits to Jupiter the most popular boys were always fully booked by VIP groups (some were women who looked to be female escorts themselves) and there was no way to admire them up close. Yes the VIP seat practice is frustrating. Especially when entering to a packed house, being offered a seat blocked by a pillar only to see empty prime seats being ‘held’ for VIPs who do not show up till late.

I don’t feel obligated to sit through the show, but the two boys I am in contact with perform in some numbers and I imagine the bar would not be keen on them dropping out of the show on short notice. Just trying to understand bar protocol. And they would lose their show earnings. So I assume I would have go to the bar, pay off fee directly to bar (instead of to boy), let them finish their numbers at least before leaving? Or can anyone state otherwise, that show boys are able to leave early? I was not aware that I could pay the next day’s off fee in advance. Is this usual practice?

Thank you alex303, Londoner and z909 for the thoughtful and informative replies. I will take your point on not getting my hopes up for my preferred boy to be around / or available during my visit- hopefully I will be lucky. I also see that the off-fee is a must. I am not trying to save on this by any means but was just wondering if I could pay the boy, and he transfers this to the bar the next day, thus avoiding me actually having to go to the bar in person. I would much rather meet the boy elsewhere and invite him for a late dinner, or make my own plans with an arrangement to meet him at the hotel.

I am interested to hear how other members stay in touch with their favourite boys and set up repeat meetings on later trips. On my last visit, I collected a couple of Line contacts from boys who made an impression. Since then I have been receiving a steady stream of stickers, “how are yous” and the occasional selfies every few days. I respond to each message with matching levels of enthusiasm but without being overly effusive. My question is, do boys actively try to bring back a good customer they liked and actually remember who they are amongst the hundreds of offs? Or is this just an effective form of marketing that they do for every customer? The attention is flattering but I am trying not to read more into this than it is. I can imagine they wake up in the morning, and go to “work” - sending out stickers, smilies and the same selfie to every single customer in their little black book. I know for a fact the boy who stays in touch the most is very popular and I am just one punter amongst many. Toying with the idea of booking him in advance for my next trip but also wouldn’t want to plan my schedule around a misplaced sense of loyalty to a boy who possibly wont know me from Adam if we passed each other in the street. My second question - and sorry for the lengthy post - will boys agree to meet outside bars? Eg skip work and meet me at a non gogo bar or at my hotel? I may not be in the mood to sit through a whole show, knowing already who I will off. Do I offer to compensate for the bar fine and loss of show earnings on top of tip? My friend who has a Dreamboy regular usually “reserves” him over Line but will go to the bar, pay the cover, off fee and sit through part of the show before leaving with him. Given I have very limited time, a more efficient method that is also acceptable to the boy would be ideal.

Fantastic report vinapu, thank you. Look forward to hearing what tonight brings you. It still makes my head swim that the models at Moonlight are so accessible, compared to Jupiter where it is nearly impossible to get within sniffing distance of the stars. And fully agree that guys in the rotation are also appealing. Would be good business sense for Moonlight to start promoting a few of them on FB and create a few “mini stars”. I even remember a very cute young waiter (earring on right ear) who had a charming shy smile when tipped.

The situation was actually somewhere in between. The mamasan kept buzzing around asking “You want who? You want who?”. I don’t recall exactly but believe I said something along the lines “The dancer is very good”, while my friend was undecided, being blinded by the male beauty in front of him. I’m pretty certain we gave a “wait, we are thinking” response. But ten minutes later mamasan’s choice appeared anyway...they weren’t taking no for an answer... I’m afraid I didn’t stay long at Dreamboy. We only stopped by briefly for 15 minutes to collect my friend’s boy. Coming from Moonlight, the boys did not look attractive by comparison and the customers all seemed to be middle aged overweight Chinese couples! I pitied the boys who would be offed for threesomes.

To answer paborn’s question...the model was extremely good looking and my friend was delighted with him even if unlooked for. No off as friend was keen to look up his Dreamboy regular that night. But to be honest we probably wouldn’t have worked up the nerve to request any of the models on our own so it turned out well. Possibly because it was a weekday in rainy season, bar was less than half full by showtime and mamasan may have heard us debating on whether to leave for Dreamboy. They were trying their best to keep customers in their seats. So I can understand they are just doing their job and working hard to make this very new bar a success. But certainly pushier than say Jupiter. Fortunately they sent over such an attractive specimen which was very hard to reject...as they well knew! Alizizou, this was a tall fair model, no tattoos. He’s in most of the FB videos perpetually wearing a headband. But given how quiet it was that day all the models were encouraged to circulate among the customers. And the non model boys all sat in clear view on the side of the stage. Vinapu, sorry to hear your trip is not meeting expectations but I hope it will improve and you will have much luck with Sunny or any other model who takes your fancy. Waiting with bated breath for the report.

I was toying with the idea of offing him or at least inviting him down for a drink on my last visit. Dancers always appeal to me. Sadly the mamasan had other ideas and hustled in another model to sit with us. But my friends and I agreed it was worth the price of admission just to watch one of his solo dance routines. Please do report back vinapu.....in the interests of “public service” for this forum LOL

He is an amazing dancer...puts the rest of the models to shame. Also have you watched the live videos on the FB page?

Zero english is a dealbreaker for me....I need to be able to communicate basic information at least without reaching for the phone. But good to hear of a star who makes an effort and has no airs!

Nice to have a glowing review for Mr Fluke. I suspect his size, huge tattoos and dyed hair might be intimidating for most punters (certainly for me) so perhaps more may be encouraged to off him now. How was his English? I may invite him for a drink next time even if no off. As for tam he’s probably recovering from the China holidays. My friend said there were hordes of cash rich tourists in every bar over the weekend and he’s always been very popular with the Chinese.

I am happy for you that you got your wish! Two Moonlight stars in a row is surely a record. Did you off the ex Jupiter too or did you choose another model after seeing them in person? Were they both good offs?

I can answer this question - no. The regular boys have similar expectations to Jupiter and Dreamboy, around 2000-2500. Actually I don’t think the models are that inflated either (apart from Babe), only the barfine charged by Moonlight. But vinapu and OP Alizizou will know first hand so I shall defer to them.

I find Manila more expensive than Bangkok, less convenient infrastructure, fewer living and dining options etc. Unless you go to a second tier city and not sure what the scene is like there...Angeles apparently is a hellhole...

Vinapu, which model did you off? And we look forward to hearing about the ‘ride’ he took you on!

I visited Moonlight last month and saw the models you mentioned. Agree they look much better in person. It would be interesting if you are able to off the boy with tattoos, as far as I know there are no reviews on him yet and he seems to be new to the scene. The second boy was at Jupiter for several years and has received numerous reviews on various forums, mainly ranging from average to terrible with a few good ratings from those wanting to admire his physique and able to accept all the things he will/will not do. I read on a different forum just today that Babe actually does accept off (tip 5000-8000) but only decides spontaneously if he likes the customer or not. I guess due to his popularity he is able to command such restrictions. So maybe the bar is unwilling to commit on his behalf?