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As Amazon ebooks, they seem to be available now on the UK not US sites. Easy to change your country settings for a one time purchase. Edit: Private Dancer also available in paperback too, this is about the bargirl not barboy scene.

Had a feeling I was going to get trolled LOL. If Tolstoy wrote a compelling saga of love, murder, hatred and politics on the sois of Silom, bring it on.

The question is, do these farang women off the boys? I know some of the Asian women do. Or are they just one-off giggly tourists? I read an interesting article (on Stickman I believe- will try to find the link) about farang women living the bohemian life on Pattaya beaches and getting pregnant by local boys.

I have just finished Bangkok Boy Bar by Richard Vohl and Private Dancer by Stephen Leather. Both great reads and highly recommended, though the former is slightly romanticised and ascribes a far greater conversational depth to young bar boys than I know they are capable of, particularly those newly from the countryside without much English. Any other recommendations to while away long weekends? Non-fiction guides also welcome - I was inspired to ask by paborn’s mention of guide books to Bangkok’s early 80s gay scene in another thread.

I understand and fully agree, with the one caveat that the boy in question has been asking to visit my home country - in which case, most definitely he is the one on vacation not me. Yes of course I have the pleasure of his company, but I already have that in Bangkok which is the overall more enjoyable location for me.

Fantastic report ggobkk, can’t wait for the next chapter! Particularly enjoyed your description of Soph, I am only surprised he wasn’t the first item on your Pattaya agenda with assets like these. Is it usual to have so many females in Pattaya bars? I was under the impression that only Bangkok bars like Jupiter, Moonlight, Dreamboy etc attracted the Asian female demographic.

Apologies for the lapse, you are absolutely correct I meant Silom under the Sala Daeng BTS tracks. There were two separate occasions I nearly had a heart attack crossing the road near Twilight, one was by myself on Silom and the other was when the boy made me rush across Surawong for a taxi.

paborn, you expressed it so much better than I could hope to! That is it, exactly.

. I plugged his name into Google and did not turn up any wank photos, but noticed he seems to be a regular feature of this MAN OMG publication. While already very good looking on stage, you would not imagine just how well the camera takes to his face! Stunning. Apart from Babe, the other Moonlight models are not as photogenic especially Tam who would make a fortune if his in-person charisma translated in pictures.

I know we have covered this extensively in another thread, which I shall look up too. What is the protocol for this? Do you tip boys daily or just operate on the understanding it is a holiday with expenses covered?

Just crossing Surawong road alone can be nerve wracking, it is one of my least favourite parts of bar hopping. I have tried in vain to persuade boys that if we happen to be trying to flag a taxi willing to go in the other direction, we really do not need to charge across the road. We can pick up a taxi on the same side and make him do a U-turn. But this type of logic never appeals, it makes more sense to them to cross the busy Surawong with cars honking to save exactly zero baht. Edit: there is no traffic crossing as far as I can see, members will know which part I am talking about, under the BTS tracks. In Vietnam at least you know the traffic will slow for you and drivers are always looking out for pedestrians. But no such assurances in Bangkok!

Just watched the FB video showing his debut. Not exactly my type but I can definitely see the appeal - I think my friend will love him and can see him rushing back to Moonlight to make his acquaintance. He did well for his first model catwalk though it must have been intimidating to have Tam show up right after to loud screams and tip. There was also another new model Mr “Khun”(??) who made less of an impression. I wonder what happened to “See” and a couple of forgettable others who appeared for 2-3 shows and then vanished. I wish they would bring back Tee with the long earring and the Cambodian who did those raunchy photshoots. Those boys have far more star quality. With our recent conversation in mind, I did notice Fluke was showing well and seems to have more confidence than in the early Moonlight days. Good for him.

On Fluke’s time wasting habit....some boys prefer to take a shower at the bar which may account for delay. Did he shower again at the hotel?

Ah but Moonlight does have this type of act. There is a femme boy who not only pole dances but also does aerial acrobatics - truly impressive. However he does not perform every night so I felt lucky to catch him on my last visit. Another piece of trivia I picked up from my friend, Moonlight has hired a new dance instructor so we will be seeing some fresh routines too. The model he heard this from was not one of their best dancers and was feeling rather defeated by these new acts LOL.

Ah paborn, so I am I. One of my boys is a champion cuddled...which means I am putty when he gives me puppy dog eyes and says “I call my friend?”. And before you know it, I am being presented with the bill for Johnny Walker Black Label.

Jasper, that scenario sounds VERY familiar. I have been in that position exactly. Time to nip this in the bud before it goes too far. I don’t mind giving the main boy “face” - I tip the mamasan and waiter well when he sits with me precisely because of this. But at the price of buying mediocre bottles in too noisy clubs (sometimes more than one), I could invite him somewhere really nice for dinner and feed him properly. I think I will point this out to him - and other boys- next time.

That’s the spirit Jasper, you will land him next time. No need to feel humiliated, quite likely you were not rejected by Fluke at all but played out by mamasan. Who knows, maybe Nicky has tipped mamasan to secure him more customers? Or gives him a cut of off fee and Fluke does not? I do not recognise that mamasan, try the manager when you visit again. I am still amused you think Nicky looks like your aunt! I could only hope my aunt resembles a Moonlight model.

Jasper, did you not try again for Fluke on your second visit? Which mamasan did you request him from? I shared your comments with my expat friend who is now something of a Moonlight regular, he doesn’t off the models but each time he visits he will call one or two models down for a drink and chat. According to him, there is a complex system of politics in the bar (Moonlight not quite as bad as Jupiter apparently, where the owner enables mamasan power play). The boys say not all mamasans “are good” and they each are closer to some boys than others. Mamasans who do not like a certain boy may be more lax at procuring him business though if customer insists (and tips!) they will have no choice. The trick is to get the mamasan working for you, rather than their preferred boys. Though I have to say I am in agreement with Jasper, if a request was made and not delivered upon, I don’t see why mamasan should be tipped in advance - bit of a catch 22. It helps when you are repeat custom. The short fat manager was praised as generally being fair. And he agrees that Fluke is friendly and humble, so thinks your request may not have made it through or there may have been other factors involved, such as a second mamasan securing him for another customer. He encouraged you to try again and go early, before 10 pm well ahead of the first show when the boys are relaxed and there are fewer customers to compete for attention. The models go on stage from 9.15 - 9.30 pm onwards so it’s easy to point Fluke out- go through the short manager if possible and definitely not the long haired mamasan Linda. Usually in between rotations they are just sat backstage playing with their phones and bored, so they are happy for a diversion. Also to say you want to buy him a drink or give him a tip, not that you want to off him from the start as that can actually scare some boys when they don’t know the customer. He also found it amusing that quite a few of the models insisted they didn’t have sex with customers and were paid from “show, dancing, drinking”, when we all know they are happily available for offs. Despite citing evidence to them, he wasn’t able to persuade them to change their line, with the exception of Nicky, who apparently has the most hustle in him, “I no sex with customer, but I go with you” without batting an eyelid.

What are your experiences with going out with boys? Sometimes when I’m in the mood for a night out, I’ll suggest a second venue for drinks - boy’s choice. I’ve been brought to some interesting places I’d never have ventured to on my own. It’s great fun. There are a couple of boys who are now comfortable enough with me to suggest “I call my friends?”. They enjoy themselves alot more when they have friends to chatter with, not just the boring farang with a language barrier. I never say no (extra boys with no tip!) but since we have been on the subject of tipping, the drinks do tend to add up especially when I see main boy light up when I open a bottle for them. I don’t have the heart to deprive him of (me) treating his friends, but I may start to suggest some lower cost alternatives if a larger group shows up. Any ideas on what these could be?

Goes the same for punters too...I think many now prefer knowing the tip up front. I made the amateur mistake of overtipping for long time and since I still enjoy offing the same boy, have had to grin and bear the fruits of my mistake. Add: Thai boys it seems, are forgetful about just about everything apart from how much you tipped them before. Then they are elephants!

Or simply because they enjoy the company of their bar friends more than yours?

First time I have heard of customers tipping boys even when they are not there to enjoy the show, or after-show delights!

What I mean is that he is very muscular which gives the illusion of size, but his frame is actually quite small.

What did he need the list with numbers for? Surely he has eyes to see which boys he wanted to tip?

I am pretty sure he could get away with murder with that smile!