vaughn

Firstly, great report. It's a very heartwarming read, I also really enjoy your observations about your relationship and difference in perspective with Bangkok Guy. I found myself wanting to learn some basic Thai to help my communication as well, although I am only 3 months in I have found the option that is working best for me is an app called Ling. I had also tried Youtube and looked for other apps with Thai as an option, but Ling is so far the only one I have found that has helped me gain a few new words and phrases for my vocabulary. There is a Thai massage boy I see in my hometown back in falangland, I'm considering asking if he wants to earn a little extra and spend some time with me to practice when I have a bit more confidence in my tones and pronunciation.

Koh Larn is also a good day trip or overnight destination for Pattaya if you feel the desire for (clean) beaches, the ferry or speedboats take off from Bali Hai pier. I enjoyed a day trip with a boy over to Koh Larn on new years day in 2020 to escape the Pattaya crowds, I would certainly do it again. We took the speedboat option and were dropped at Nual Beach where we rented a motorbike, then spent the day eating at the beachfront restaurants and lounging around at various beaches.

They're both good in their own way, so I usually split my time between them. Bangkok has better attractions for tourist activities and some really great restaurants and shopping. Pattaya gives me more of a holiday feeling for me, it's a more relaxed vibe with a slower pace but can get boring if I stay too long. As a generalization, the twinkier boys in the gogos and non-p4p boys I meet are more attractive in Bangkok. The exception to this was my last trip in April because Pattaya had more venues open so more variety of boys, but I'm hoping that by the time I return later this year things will be a little more 'back to normal'.

When I was there it was still fairly quiet, but I noticed 3-4 other guests who seemed to be long-term stays. I had a room facing the street with that legal office opposite so I could just see up to the corner of Tuckom from the balcony which helped me keep an eye on when the massage boys were coming in for the day. It looked like the room had a fresh paint job, but it was my first stay so I can't say how recently. I had no complaints about my stay, I spend a lot of time at Winner Boys so I will be back to stay there again next time.

https://www.namstaxiladydrivers.com/services I've posted this a few times, but Nam's is my go to for Bangkok to Pattaya and back.

Yes, I stayed there in April

If I'm going somewhere solo I will take mototaxi, 75% of the time I remember to ask for a helmet. Mototaxi's are plentiful in all areas, but I try to pick the older riders because they are usually safer. If I'm taking a boy from one area to another I will usually get a bolt car, the prices are pretty comparable to mototaxi but it just takes a little longer while you wait for them to arrive.

Thanks for the update, was it banana boys bar (upstairs) on soi 4? I think i recall that bar was split in two with an upstairs and downstairs. I hadn't heard that it has opened again, but I enjoyed that bar in 2019 because it had quite a few twinkier guys back then.

When I want to stay near Sunee and the massage places behind Tuckom I stay at Mosaik serviced apartments. In Jomtien Complex I stayed at Agate and Posoiden, I think I liked Agate more just for the price. The restaurant at Posoiden was really good and the owner makes you feel very welcome looking after guests and chatting, so it is a very nice option if you want to spend a little more.

Great news, one of my favorite bars finally allowed to go back to the gogo setting. I can't wait to go back

Pupen Seafood is probably my favorite restaurant in Jomtien/Pattaya, It's a Thai seafood restaurant with a big menu and a good atmosphere. The restaurant at the Posoiden hotel in Jomtien Complex served some nice German food, but a bit expensive. I'm yet to try Yupins across the soi. Dick's Cafe in the complex is my default dinner option, nothing to write home about but tasty, well priced and friendly staff. Tinnies are my second default when I want western food, I'm Aussie so lots of home comforts to be found on the menu. I'm still searching for a good breakfast menu in the Jomtien area, O Delices was good for coffee and a light breakfast.

That alley was my savior one night trying to dodge a clinger I spotted a few meters ahead 😅 With that said the alley doesn't do much, the walls whisper and everyone knows everything among the boys.

Really good info, thanks for the post and please keep us updated on your discovery as you make your way through the list.

'The House on Sathorn' below the W Hotel was another favorite dining experience from my last trip, it's a little more relaxed than Blue Elephant but still on the expensive side. Great food and service, in a really beautiful courtyard of a heritage home. https://www.thehouseonsathorn.com/ Worth adding to the list for anyone who hasn't been there.

The green massage is still there, but I think it was closed in April. The shops across the road were open. There were a couple of massage shops open along Surrawong Rd, some more open on Silom soi 6, and I think a shop or two open around Silom soi 4. Things are changing rapidly so I don't want to recount my troubles finding the type of guys I like, but take a walk in those areas in the late afternoon/evening.

I have a new recommendation from my last trip, it's not reasonably priced and more of a stuffy fine dining restaurant. The stunning boy I took with me turned a few heads, the table alongside us had an oh-so-posh British gay couple talking about this 1880s vintage they simply must try. They gave the best side eye glance and disapproving look I'd ever seen haha. The restaurant is Blue Elephant and was one of the best meals I've ever had in Bangkok, highly recommended if you want to try fine dining Thai food. https://www.blueelephant.com/bangkok/

I had to delete my trip report, but because I started this thread seeking answers I wanted to at least provide an update on the Phuket scene in early April. 3 or 4 boy massage shops were open, but only 2 with any real selection. Blue Dolphin massage and 4massage, these two shops are in the middle section of the complex towards the Paradise hotel. Cute twinks were rare, but the boy next door and more toned guys are more common along with some heavier boys. 10-15 boys across both on any given afternoon, prices were standard 300-400 per hour + whatever you arrange with the boy in the room. 5 or 6 host bars are open in the bar street, with maybe 2 dozen boys that stand around in a group (possibly waiters?) at the start of the soi. I didn’t really spend much time at the bars, I went one night at 8pm and there were 6 or so customers spread out along the bars. I seemed to be largely ignored by all but one boy who wasn’t my type. The one boy who sat with me and chatted seemed to be looking to be offed but I wasn't into him and I didn’t really want to walk up and try my luck with the others. The layout is similar to Jomtien complex, with bars lined along each side of the soi. An outdoor drag lipsync show from 8:30-9:00. I left at 10:00, and the bars closed at 12:00 (still under government covid rules). I was told by the boy that Friday and Saturday nights have more people, so I might have just been unlucky. I stayed at Le Meridien Resort Phuket, it was nice and bringing back guests is fine, but it is more of a family-oriented place and not very convenient location-wise.

I had more than 1 taxi driver in bangkok playing some gambling slots game while driving on my recent trip, at least it made them slow down a little haha. I usually take Nams taxi service between Bangkok and Pattaya, I'm ok with 1200 baht for the comfort of door to door service and i've never had issues with the lady drivers. I just email the day before to book and they're usually already waiting for me by the time i've arranged the pickup.

Yeah, you're right. I am still in contact with the boy, so when I'm back in Pattaya I might find out for my curiosity. A lesson learned, it's unfortunate that these people exist.

Maybe in Tokyo In Japan, it sounds more like a sauna type arrangement, so I don't know what the moneyboy situation might be. The BJ bars for straights do exist in Thailand, I don't know if they survived covid but there was one in Bangkok I read about. I've never even heard anyone try to make one in Thailand for us gays.

I just had my thailand trip report shared with a pattaya boy from someone on here this week. Oz was kind enough to delete it for me, but i doubt i'll ever write a detailed trip report again. I've considered paying the boy to find out who it was, not sure if it's worth my time to find and expose them.

SuperA sign was still up as of 2 weeks ago, I saw it had the shutters open one afternoon but didn't see any activity up the stairs so probably just building maintenance.

I saw a family with a kid walking into a bar in Boyztown in 2019, I was a little shocked by that, but I was just walking past so I'm not sure if they were turned around or not. I think we'd all agree there's a line to be drawn there, but any other customers I'm fine with, their baht is just as good as mine.

Yes. Even if you just go for a couple of days, then decide if you want to stay. I was there during Songkran 2 weeks ago and it was very busy with boys and customers. Jomtien Complex is by far the busiest area, but you won't find gogo bars with pretty boys in Pattaya at the moment. It's all open fronted bars or outdoor seating right now, there are plenty of pretty boys. I am still in Bangkok now, if I didn't attach myself to a cute boy I like then I would have went back to Pattaya again rather than staying in Bangkok.

Knowing the right people in Thailand can be very beneficial.