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>I find the whole idea of Obama being a viable presidential >candidate in 2008 fascinating and just a little absurd. The >man will have only been in the U.S. Senate for four years >besides having no experience in any executive government >position. But why is government experience the only experience acceptable. We constantly critcize "politicians" and then we get a fresh, intelligent face and we brush him off because he is not an experienced politician. Bring on all the political hacks we criticize yet continue to elect to office. I'd say he has a lot more experience than Edwards 6 years in office (less than that when he ran for VP) and time getting rich on personal injury cases. That is part of what makes him so different, not your usual politician. He has life experience, so what if he has not been a politician, I've had enough of them. Ever thought...how much experience did Abe Lincoln have? It is time for someone different...right now I think I am on the Obama train...don't know for how long, but it is time for a new kind of person to lead this country...hope it is him.

>You are so right. The nation should avoid as it would the >plague the consideration of any lawyer, hence snakeoil >salesman, for the candidacy to the presidency. The issue is not that he is a lawyer...it is that he is a personal injury attorney that has made a fortune from personal injury lawsuits. Images of TV lawyers call 1-800-whatever doesn't play too well with some. Doesn't mean he wouldn't be a good president...just a big negative for some...not all. If I didn't vote for lawyers for public office I'd have very few people to choose from. Most of the politicians around here are lawyers.

The Historic Stonewall Inn has been saved. When I hired escorts Rick Munroe and Derek to give me New Yorker's tour of NYC a few years ago it was part of my tour. Link to the full story: http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3478.html

>I was appalled by Conway's nasty innuendoes, about him being a >trial lawyer and this and that. Well that is a negative, his biggest negative and it doesn't play well with alot of people. It is also true that he did not run for re-election in NC because he had very negative poll #'s there. Hillary is slipping in some area's because Obama and her, appeal to many of the same voters. Obama seems to be getting alot of attention around here. We'll see how far it will go. After your comments, I see why TY is not thrilled with political conversation. Don't know why people can't disagree about politics in a civil manner.

It was very good and funny. I couldn't keep from noticing how his arms bulged out of that dress. Thanks for the link...I haven't watched SNL in years, sorry I missed it.

Thanks for the update. I can hear Burt Parks singing already.

>The Craigslist ads answered by the officers offered sex acts >in exchange for “donations” or “roses,” police said. The ads >featured photos of unidentified women. > >In an e-mail to the Chicago Tribune, Craigslist CEO Jim >Buckmaster said the site prohibits illegal activity and >intends its erotic services page for “legal escort services >and sensual massage providers.” A Las Vegas Escort that recently was arrested in one of that city's escort stings said the police used Craiglist, where he and others had posted their services.

>Interesting story perhaps, but what has it to do with the >Escorting? Nothing, but this section is for all topics that don't fit elsewhere. From the "Pub" Forum page intro: "Open to general topics not covered elsewhere including Current Events. No Politics or Religion please. The line is thin but bright. Discuss the topic, not the policy or personality" Even though we probably come here because we hire, or maybe are, Escorts, we have things in common other than sex and being gay. To discuss things with other gay men in an open forum can add for interesting discussion. Let me also welcome you and hope you can add to the conversation, escort related or not.

This quote is from a story in the Bangkok Post about Tourism and the Coup's effect upon it "By late October, a little over a month after the coup, researchers forecast that as many as 3.4 million foreign tourists were likely to visit Thailand during the last quarter of 2006, a 2 percent increase on the same time last year, although slower growth than earlier in the year. If those projections are accurate, full-year foreign tourist arrivals this year will be 13.4 million, a 17 percent rise on 2005, generating an estimated income of 450 billion baht, up 22.5 percent from last year's 367 billion baht. That is not to say there are no challenges, many of which existed long before the events of 19 September."

So what was the decision? Are we going to have a beauty contest or not?

So does Tigger assault this kid or not? ... Watch and decide http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/wmv/vod.ibsy...685850.200k.asx I'm sure these actors get tired of putting up with these kids all day..but they shouldn't have the job if they can't deal with them.

>http://www.EdenGay.com > >Get's me off everytime. HOT. Me too, great site.

>So, is this a solo discussion? is there anyone there? I live in the states but would enjoy reading about what Europe has to offer. I am planning to a few trips to Europe this year and Prague, Rome, and Athens are possibilites...so who is there to see? I saw Sean in London... Hot... here is a link to his review: http://www.maleescortreview.com/index.php?...rt_id=206050008

>I would hope that my escort does not keep detailed records, >as that’s a danger to himself and to clients. Certainly, he >should not keep track of phone numbers. > Over the years I've found escorts to keep e-mail and phone #'s. Also note in the article where they got tipped off on the group of female escorts... an Escort review site. From the article: The prosecutor's office said it was tipped off to the Web site by The Gwinnett Daily Post, after an editor got an anonymous call from someone who pointed out Web sites where Taylor's alleged customers could rate her services.

My horse is still dead on this subject but wanted to thank you for a detailed civil response. Don't quite get the fruit salad thing and will add that NOTHING will get me to enjoy reading about str8 sex, that does not make me a bigot. >KY you’ve stated that it’s nothing more than sex, not a civil >rights issue. That in my opinion is very self serving and >short sighted of you, with all due respect to you. Forget the review and alittle change of the subject. Because I have few stories about civil rights and lived thru those days with a bigoted father in the south, I am very sensitive to being compared to anyone that discriminates. But here is story for you. I remember the day the first black kid walked into my High School. Everyone stared and in the lunch room I found her sitting in a corner by herself. I was class President that year. I told a couple of people sitting at my table to come on and let's move. We moved to her table and asked to sit. She never sat alone at lunch again after that day and made a few friends that day. The stares stopped after a few days and she was gradually welcomed by most. Sadly not all but no one even dared to think about messing with her after that day. Comparing that to ones likes or dislikes in reading str8 sex reveiws cannot even be compared to me.

>Of course not but you're getting your (excuse the pun) panties >in a twist over something that is just a matter of opinion. >If you don't like to read about straight sex, don't read about >it -- it's pretty simple. But you don't know it is about STR* sex until you actually read the review. If I knew it was about str8 sex, I wouldn't have. And why is my expression of my opinion getting my panties in a twist. I have no right to an opinion. God knows you have plenty, should I say the same about you sweetheart. >With this line of commenting you're being the epitome of >everything wrong with the gay community engaging in the eating >of our own. Not all gays are exclusive homosexuals and by >admitting to that nobody is advocating people be anything >besides themselves. And you aren't, the way you always attack anything gay that doesn't agree with you. You are the one that lacks respect of other gay males just because their opinion is not yours. >If I say I'm registered does that mean that I'm registered at >Tiffany's, Target, and Saks? No. It means that I am >registered somewhere. Since we where talking about this site, I assume he meant registered here. Are you registered with Tiffany's...does it matter here? >>So you think everyone should be bi-sexual? > >Gee that’s not an obscene extreme response. Are you in the >same camp that if gay marriage is passed then animals should >be able to marry humans as well? They may not be sharing a >tent but the fallacy of your comment shares the same camp. No but that is an extreme thought that has never entered my head. >You don’t have to make a federal case out of it. Bigot might >me a strong concept but the fact that you have a problem >reading a potentially USEFUL review about an escort simply >because it involves a woman shows some degree of >discrimination. Don’t read it or let it matter to you if it’s >that big a problem. But to say that all female reviews should >be rejected sounds a bit like out of left field. You still don't get it. It is about str8 sex on a gay website. And because I don't enjoy reading about it and express my opinion about my not liking it I am accused of discrimination, being a pussy-phobe and other comments that insinuate I have a hatred for women that write reviews. Give me a break. I respect and enjoy other opinions and debate but this first time its been insinuated that I'm a hate monger or bigot because I don't enjoy nor wish to read about sex between a man and a woman. Now that is extreme. >Supposed gay sex site is right. Oz and Ty obviously knew what >they were doing when they posted the review. Maybe this is a good time to insert a paragraph from this site's Home page introduction: No membership is required to browse this new site. That includes access to all escort reviews and to all escort profiles including contact access. Free & easy anonymous membership is required to post reviews and is a prerequisite for access to the message center. Be a part of the up & coming premiere MALE 4 MALE review site on the net. The next wave in M4M escort review is here. >I also wanted to add that at this time clients are not paying >to use this site. It goes back to the age old argument back >when it actually was male4maleescortreviews ... if you're not >paying for it, suggestions are far better considered than >outrage. I don't consider my opinion to be outrage at all. You have an opinion, I have an opinion. I respect yours, you obviously don't respect my opinion that str8 reviews belong elsewhere. I am here because I am Gay. You make it sound like gay men should be ashamed to be gay and frequent gay sites because they are gay sites. But it comes down to: Why is a review about str8 sex, whether it be by a man or a woman on a Gay site? The owners asked for opinions. I gave mine and after that have only responded to those that think because I don't agree with them I am over the top. Guess I know why they compare opinions to assholes... everyone has one. Here in Kentucky, horse capital of the world, we know about beating dead horses. So putting my whip back in the saddle, my whipping is done. It was my intention to express my opinion, not change yours or attack you. I've expressed mine and respect yours even though they are not the same. Though I am still straching my head that according to you and others because I have an opinion that is different than yours I am... What is wrong with the gay community, over the top, outraged with twisted panties, pussy-phobing bigot that discrimaintes against women ALL because I don't want to read str8 sex reviews written by them on the one gaysite I support and frequent the most...WOW My horse is dead.

>WOW. The unthinkable has happened: > >I'm speechless :-X > >That was so un-be-fucking-believably on point I can't even >begin to say ... RIGHT ON! So you think we should all be bi-sexual and that we discriminate and are bigots if we don't like to read about str8 sex?

>First time poster here. Thought I'd register and chime into >this very interesting controversy. Let me be the first to welcome you here. >I basically have two >thoughts on the topic of this site accepting reviews from from >female clients highlighting their experience with registered >male escorts at this site. Note that the escort is NOT "registered" here, he merely has a review posted from a female. You will find no profile link for the escort from the review, therefore not "registered". >1- There are over (from what the total members count on the >homepage reflects) ten thousand members here. My observation >over the past few months is that there are less than twenty >active posters in this forum, which seems to be where all the >discontent is coming from. I don't know if the forums drive >the business, but unless there is a considerable drop off of >membership, I'd listen but not overact to the minority. But many lurkers and I find it cool that this thread has brought some out to make a comment. Hope many like you continue to comment. >2- If this site chooses to accept reviews from females, >reviewing registered male escorts here, then it seems to me to >be a double standard to make such comments as, "if they >get to be too many, then we will stop them" or something >to that sentiment. That speaks to a lack of vision and control >as to what this site wants to be or become. Again, the guy ain't registered! >Personally, if people cannot seperate gay and straight reviews >when doing their search, then they perhaps shouldn't be >relying on an open ended data base which is simply in place to >provide information. How would one seperate them without reading each review narrative since there is not a gay and str8 section? >I remember the days when I was excluded from most things >simply because I was openly gay. Those days, espicially with >the internet, whether you're gay or unfortunately str8, (hehe) >should be so far behind us that our furture vision(s) should >not even entertain them. Gay, str8, bi, transgendered >etc..should no longer be walls of sexuality seperating us for >what and who we are, but great avenues of open-ness and >opportunity for all of us to exist, and simply be ourselves, >in a free and fair society. So you think everyone should be bi-sexual? >Tiny pockets of repressed people, within varied areas of our >society, will most likely always exist in our world. But those >are the people which would still have blacks in slavery, women >with no ability to vote or work in the marketplace and gays >being arrested for engaging in consentual sex, in private, and >behind closed doors. We are not talking about who was made to sit in the back of the bus. We are talking about SEX, plain and simple. You make it sound like since a gay guy doesn't like to have sex with a female or read about it on a supposed gay website then he must be a bigot. Give me a break. So all us guys that don't have sex with women discriminate I guess. Oppression and discrimination are terrible things. I remember the deaths of the freedom marchers and not just from documentaries. I still live in an area were being gay can cause you serious problems. But wakeup and smell the coffee, We are talking about a description of str8 SEX on a supposed gay SEX site. It is nothing more than SEX, not a civil rights issue...geesh. No oppression, no descrimination. I just don't like sex with women...sorry. >If women reviewing men scare people here, perhaps it has >everything to do with YOU and NOT the review....... Who said they were scared, I just think they don't like to read about someone eating (or not eating because it stinks in this case ) pussy. Nothing more, nothing less. Doesn't make them a bigot as you imply. I really had to think twice about responding to this but since I've made several comments here I figured your comments were sent in my direction as much as anyone. I am NOT a bigot because I don't like to have sex with women nor do I wish to read about sex with women nor do I wish to watch str8 porn. >Thanks and peace. Same to you.

What I found interesting about this and why I post it here is that the article mentions their use of the internet to get clients. It also mentions that those clients could face prosecution. Quote from the article: "The brothel's customers included doctors, lawyers and businessmen, and they, too, could face charges, the district attorney said, in a warning that could make men jittery across Atlanta and beyond. Taylor and her friends are accused of using their Web site to offer their services during visits to Boston, New York, Chicago and suburban Milwaukee." Link to the full story: http://home.bellsouth.net/s/editorial.dll?...&ac=6&ck=&ch=ne

>I see a lot of pussy-phobia here, but not a lot of honest >evaluation. I disagree. I am a GAY man that enjoys sex with men. This is as "honest" as I can be...I do not have sex with nor do I hire females for sex. I do not wish to know about str8 sex and cannot relate to it as far as how I could be satisfied from it,or a description of it, because I can't... I'm GAY. Why would anyone expect GAY men to enjoy reading about an escort having str8 sex? How many GAY men can really relate to it? We are GAY. Pussy-phobia sounds like a discriminatory term. Does that mean I discriminate against women because I don't have sex with them? The powers to be with this site need to decide if this a GAY site or not. If it is a GAY site then why does it have str8 reviews on it? If it is to be a mixed site then so be it. Just advertise it as such and let us all know. I don't watch str8 porn and I don't visit str8 sex websites, I visit GAY ones.

>The decision to post the 2 reviews we received was tough ones. > It came down to the decision that there was information to be >gained from the reviews. In my mind, it was not a big deal. So you will post another one. Where does it stop as women see men reviewed here. I respectfully disagree that it is not a big deal. Tell me what a gay male got from the review. He doesn't eat pussy, doesn't help me, she said he didn't kiss he said he did. So would he kiss a guy or not. >The site was established to become a male for male site. And >while 99 percent of all reviews will be from men, I think good >information can be obtained from that other percent from time >to time. It is 99% because women did not know they could review guys. Now that they can we will see how fast the % changes. I respectfuuly but strongly disagree with your decision and actually take offense as a gay male to it.

>At the risk of being a lone voice, I'd like to kindly suggest >the reaction to this review is a bit over the top. How so, just because one expresses their opinion? Should one lie about their reaction? >It's not like there have been hundreds of reviews by women. >There may have been one before but, if so, I don't recall it. >So we have exactly one review by a woman. That doesn't really >seem so threatening, at least to me. No but if this site starts accepting these reviews, where do you stop if more come in? 100, 200 etc... I will not use a review site if I go to a city listing...say Las Vegas... and have to wade thru all the reviews talking about how someone fucked or ate her pussy in order to find a man to hire for a gay man. >In fact, I found the review somewhat interesting, if only for >its different perspective. Unfortunately, I also doubted its >accuracy, so I pretty much discounted it. But I wouldn't mind >the occasional "real" review of an escort by a >woman. He responded today and says the woman was real but her pussy stunk. Really a turn on for all of us gay folk. Don't they all stink, especially after they are excited and start to secrete their natural lubricating fluid. Ever tried to get stinking pussy juice off your face or cock? WOW, look forward to reading about that more in the future. >Lots of male escorts advertise their availability for >women and mixed couples, so seeing a review of someone by a >woman might very well show some new interesting side of the >escort's personality or performance. So how does eating her pussy relate to sucking your cock? If he kisses a woman will he kiss a man? >I don't think there's any danger of reviews from women >crowding out reviews from guys... it's just more ingredients >in the pot. Guys who aren't interested in the opinions of >women can just ignore them. I hope you are right. But again if I must wade thru reviews about eating pussy in a city listing to find a guy... I'll go elsewhere. >When I read the opinions posted above, it was almost like >people were saying "I don't want anything to do with a >site that has anything to do with women." I am not a woman, so I don't see where a site about women hiring escorts relates to me. If I did I'd visit one, I understand a few exist. > I like this >site, I like the fact that the audience is composed of men who >are interested in escorts and I hope it stays that way. That is exactly why I visit and contribute as much as I can to it by providing reviews when I hire. If reviews by women keep popping up and it becomes a mixed site, then for me...no real reason to be here.

Tourism is probably up but I believe gay tourism is down. Airfare and hotel prices have increased dramatically from what I paid on my first trip 2 years ago. My Hotels in Bangkok and Pattaya were full but with alot of Arab families in Bangkok and alot of European couples in Pattaya. The bars in Bangkok did not seem as full as normal. The small street were most of the boy bars are was never crowded, no matter what time I was there. Tawan and Dream boys would only fill up during show time. I was surprised to see alot of male/female couples attending the shows in Bangkok. Also in Pattaya large groups of straights attended the drag shows. The biggest difference to me was that there are alot fewer boys working at all the clubs and even the massage places. I know some guys go home for the New Year Holiday, but this is my third Christmas/New Year's there and I would say there were 1/3 to 1/2 fewer guys this year. I saw my normal guys in Pattaya and added a new one to the group. The guys were really glad to see me when I showed up at Dream Boys there.Started my trip with 3 ways with my usual boys but ended up with 4 ways the last 2 days. My new boy said it had been slow and clasped his hands and looked upward in thanks after I had seen him 2 nights in a row. His English lessions are 3000 Baht a month and he did not have the money for January until after I saw him 4 days in a roll. My Pattaya boys even surprised me with a wrapped New Year's gift my last night there. Sorry...got off the orginal subject. I think Arab and European staright tourism is up but gay tourism is done from my observation this trip.

>I may be wrong but TECHNICALLY this website is called >MALEESCORTreview.com ... male4maleescortreview unfortunately >doesn't exist anymore. Thank you for correcting me. >While I agree that the website does have a particular intent >... in theory the reviewer was within her realistic rights. At the point this site becomes a female review site of men I see no reason to visit here or any similar site. >But yeah, I think one has to question why he saw the woman in >the first place if he didn't want to work as an escort for >female clients. > >I've done threeways with bf/gf couples in the past and they >were actually really fun -- everyone's hot and the girlfriend >just wants a threeway done "her" way. In advance I >told them what my limits were and they agreed and everything >was great. But I and most of the GAY men here do not have gf's and don't relate to this at all. Who cares if you have sex with women, it doesn't relate to me hiring a MALE at all. >So I think from woman CAN say a lot that can be of use to male >clients because we (yes I hire) can figure out if an escort >will keep up their end of the bargain and their intentions. So he won't go done on her, does that mean he won't go done on me? Doesn't help me at all in deciding to hire. >HOWEVER ... reading the review halfway through this reply it >doesn't take much to see through it for what it way. Kinda >seems like an angry ex girlfriend who found out about her >boyfriend the escort and wanted to do something to get back at >him. Sort of wondered the same thing. >Donation (though the correct legal term) is definitely a >straight sex-work term that I don't think many gay male >escorts would really ever use. The reviewer seemed like she >was writing the review strictly to cause detriment to him and >I can't wait for his response since the review managed to >actually be posted. I have had 5 or 6 Male escorts use the term out of over 100 I've hired. Two of those were in Vegas.

Here is wishing you well as you make a turn in life's journey. Always thought it would have been cool to cross paths, sorry we never did. Good Luck in your future.