SolaceSoul

.... and, to be perfectly clear, I never even asserted this.

Just like clockwork. A hit dog will holler. Nice try Jan, but this thread is not about debating the legality of consenting legal adults performing sex acts on each other, or even consenting legal adults buying / selling sex. Also, “bigotry and ageism”? I can easily argue that the real ageists are the old men who exclusively seek sex with barely legal young men. Why must they discriminate against men much closer to their own age?

@mvan1, I believe it is erroneous to compare same sex attraction to sexual attraction to significantly younger partners. You may not realize this, but you’re dangerously close to making the same arguments as the organization NAMBLA — which advocates to abolish age-of-consent laws criminalizing adult sexual involvement with minors, under the premise that men and boys of any age should be free to be in relationships that are mutually consensual — no matter the age of the boy or the age difference between the man and boy. Of course, @mvan1, I know that this is not your personal position and that you personally would not support such a platform or an insidious organization such as the North American Man/Boy Love Association. I dismiss this notion that a 25 year old man who is attracted to 21 year old young men (I’m purposely using an arbitrary age here, for discussion purposes) will always be exclusively attracted to 21 year old young men, even when that 25 year old becomes 45, 60 or 70 because he is “pre-wired” to be attracted to an age group. Perhaps it is like that for some (I would agree that is probably true for pedophiles and pederasts), but for the overwhelming number of mature, healthy adults, it is not. No, it is not common for emotionally mature adults to remain fixated on acquiring much younger partners. To answer your question about what age is permissible for a young man to engage in prostitution (which is a pliable trade that is legalized in certain countries like Brazil), of course, the answer for that is the legally pernissible age — which in Brazil is 18. Therefore, any client who is over 18, even if he is 118, has the legal right in that country to hire a consenting hooker who is any age above 18. However, I don’t think the legal right to do something like this (in Brazil) was ever up for debate here. What I found alarming (not simply singling out one poster here, as this can be a recurring theme on this forum) is an unhealthy fixation on youth in sex partners from significantly much older men that skirts the borders of pederasty. Bragging about seeking out a 45 year age difference between partners just set me off — but I am fully aware that there are quite a number of posters / readers here that are fond of that kind of thing — to the point of exclusion. Often times, one can read comments here from aged posters who like to tell readers that there are young, barely legal garotos who enjoy the company of elderly men and actively seek them out for sexual pleasure. There could be some truth to that, and some of it could be wishful thinking, fantasy and projection. I usually find such talk harmless and only remark when it seems like someone may be engaging in predatory-like behavior. I found Rio’s defense whataboutism regarding the scenario of a 40-something hooking up with a 21-25 year old when he is old enough to be his father as nothing but a diversionary tactic. The original topic was about Glenn Greenwald and David Miranda, who were reportedly 38 and 20 when they hooked up. That’s an 18 year age difference, and depending on the circumstances, would raise some eyebrows and in others, wouldn’t even make a shoulder shrug. Obviously, the scale slides as the age gap widens. A 20-year gap is less brow-furrowing than a 30-year, which is less than a 45-year, which is even less than a 50-year. I do not enjoy or entertain “slippery slope” arguments, as they often engage in fallacies that ignore the possibility of middle ground. His retort was also concerning to me, because it assumes that everyone is like him and only seeks out men who are fresh out of their teens. There are working men out there (in saunas, on the apps, on beaches, on apps) that are in their late 20s, 30s , and 40s. I’ve mentioned before that I have a preference for masculine men with muscular, athletic builds, who are preferably but not always men of color. A few of my favorite garotos have absolutely incredible builds and are not very far off from my own age (I’m in my mid to late 40s). Of course, in general, the more melanin in your skin, the more youthful your appearance remains as well. But to actively rule out men who are closer to one’s age and exclusively seek out young garotos who are fresh out of their teens, especially when you yourself came of age during the Truman or Eisenhower administrations, to me, seems problematic. Call me crazy.

You just bragged about a 45 year age difference between you and your pursuits. That’s not “aging”, that’s “aged”. That train has already left the station. Since we’ve gotten into memes as a viable communication method, there are some pretty funny but true memes posted by those crazy kids on the interwebz that state what kind of mature man they seek for pleasure and profit:

That’s true. But I do. I keep very detailed records —- primarily because I don’t trust this fascist administration. Also, I have a list of the banned establishments. Basically, it’s anything that is not a private establishment. It includes many popular tourist spots, like the rooftop of the Ambos Mundos Hotel (where Ernest Hemingway stayed) and the Nacional Hotel. It’s beyond ridiculous

I still see that one can still fly there commercially under the “support for the Cuban people” category. Which is how I went last year after his first ban.

But a 45 year age difference? Come on! Isnt there a 50 year old, even a 40 year old. Hell, a 30-something! Not necessarily this poster, but what’s seriously icky are the posters who reject much younger garotos because of their age (too old, like in their 30s) —- and these fuckers are around 70 themselves!

Was there a 45 year age difference? Was he hooking up with boys 45 years younger than him when he was 46? So Herbert liked 1 year olds? Rationalize away.

And you’re boasting? That’s 45 years. A 45-year age difference is seriously disturbing. For your sake as well as theirs, I hope they are all, at the very least, of legal age (as defined in the USA — 18). But still. Ewww..... That’s a 25 year old with a 70 year old.

Sounds to me like coded language for “I look WASP-y”.

In Brazil, it’s highly probable that he would not self-identify or be identified as black. In the USA, however, he would definitely fit under the umbrella of “black” (like most Afro-Latinos in America) — our “one-drop rule” here. And the circumstances not only of their age / class differences, but also of their meeting somehow strangely always seem to get glossed over and made to seem so romantic and magical. My conclusion is that my it’s because it’s two males. Had David been a barely 20 year old favela high school girl named Daniella, you just know that every reporter and gossip blogger would be commenting on it and investigating.

Great Minds Think Alike. Also, there’s the retired garotos, or the ones that refuse to or no longer work at the saunas in Brazil (for personal reasons), but will magically appear at these European saunas during a visit paid for by.a client / temporary sugar daddy. Personally, I would not finance a trip that results in others sampling the goods I that I imported / transported there, but to each his own. Viva le difference!

Often, when talking to Brazilian garotos (whether in saunas or out), you’ll find some who have visited these places and more — usually either to work at the saunas and/or at the behest of a European sugar daddy who’s sponsored the trip in exchange for goodies.

Curiosity killed the cat. You’re right. Hardly anyone can “live up to my incredibly high standards”. However, I have found a number of them to keep me company. Especially, but not necessarily limited to, Brazil. If we are never going to sleep together, why does it matter to you what I like? Are you a professional matchmaker? If you’re comfortable with your preferences, and I’m comfortable with mine, and neither of us have any issues landing what we like, then that’s all that should matter. Right?

You might appreciate this photo more. I wouldn’t exactly throw him out of bed if he ended up there, but I wouldn’t chase him down on the beach and offer to upgrade him, either. Face is A* but body is meh. I’m sure that’s the absolute best that Greenwald will ever get, though. I say, good for David, for working it. This is the kind of story that many posters here dream would happen to them. All it takes is some good luck, great timing, and the bank accounts of a senior partner in a litigation law firm that cashed out his millions, started blogging and moved to Rio!

That’s their story and they’re sticking to it! BTW, anyone who’s a semi-regular at the beaches along Posto 8 and 9 (especially the gay section) already knows that it would be almost logistically impossible for a volleyball game to interfere with where the beach dwellers are sitting / laying down having drinks. Unless that beach dweller is trolling really, really close to the volleyball net, cruising the players!

1. David Miranda is a handsome garoto, but he isn’t my physical type at all. Maybe he is yours. One could certainly do worse. 2. Greenwald looks like a toad that jumped out from under a pond rock. What you’ve mis-detected is disgust for his physical appearance and disdain for his role in politics. He (and David, and kids and dogs) have a nice place in Gavea, though.

I am quite fond of David Miranda, but am not a fan of Glenn Greenwald, not in the least. But I do love how Glenn Greenwald somehow always seems to get the press to gloss over the circumstances of their meeting. David Miranda was a 20-year-old Ipanema Posto 9 beach hustler high school student living in a very poor favela and Greenwald was a 38 year old rich Harvard-educated attorney American tourist trolling the gay beach, while staying in an Ipanema penthouse. You know exactly what this was about! “His life changed, he says, one day in 2005, when he was playing volleyball on Ipanema beach and accidentally knocked over an American tourist’s drink. That tourist was attorney Glenn Greenwald, better known today for his journalism. Miranda and Greenwald got to talking, fell in love and moved in together after just five days. “We’ve been together constantly since,” Miranda says. Greenwald, now 52, helped support Miranda going back to school. In 2014 he graduated from ESPM, a publicity and marketing school in Rio de Janeiro.“ http://time.com/collection-post/5584910/david-miranda-next-generation-leaders/?xid=fbshare

Yet another American death, this time a couple found dead in the DR. Maryland Couple Found Dead at Dominican Republic Resort https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Maryland-Couple-Found-Dead-in-Dominican-Republic-Resort-510698631.html

Eastern Europe is probably more suited for you.

And this happened at an all-inclusive Punta Cana resort: https://6abc.com/amp/woman-shares-story-of-survival-after-dominican-republic-attack/5323526/

Thanks for the update, @BlkSuperman, as well as for acknowledging the respect for anonymity of sex workers — especially in a culture like the DR where community and family shame and even violence can result from exposure. And none of us want these hot guy to STOP providing us services out of fear of reprisal. So, again, nice job. Course correction is a sign of character. Two comments: (1) Paco’s / Grand’s clandestinely acts as a cambio for exchange of USD (I assume also CAD and EUR, but not sure). And they provide as close to the actual exchange rate as I’ve seen. If you have a reasonable (not really huge) amount of US dollars and you need them converted into DOP (or vice versa), also try Paco’s since it’s open 24/7. (2) You stated that you and your spouse tend not to have guys spend the night after you heard about the DC attorney being killed in Santo Domingo by a guy he was dating. As I’m familiar with the facts as well as the person you’re referring to, allow me to clarify: The DC attorney (Van) owned an apartment right outside of the Colonial Zone in Gazcue where he stayed alone and had guests when he regularly visited. He was not murdered from an overnight stay. The Dominican was a regular that he saw who came to visit him in broad daylight, and the Dominican (presumably unexpectedly) brought along another guy with him who he said was his cousin. The DC attorney opened the locked gated door for both of them. He was then tied up, robbed, tortured and murdered by strangulation with some items the two had bought at a store earlier (so the murder/robbery was pre-planned). Before Van died, the two got him to open his safe. With that money (approximately $1500 USD, some electronics, cell phones and clothes, the two went and bought a motor bike. Van was in his mid 50s. The Dominicans were 20 and 19. I only state all of this to emphasize that the DC attorney’s murder had nothing to do with an overnight stay. But yes, be wary and be cautious in all situations, and always watch your back. The DR can be a beautiful place with gorgeous, friendly people, but there is also an underbelly of it that is grotesque and unforgiving.

Also, some bodies, marks on the body and parts of the body make a person easily identifiable. And then there’s names being attached to these photos. Is it too much to not post any photos or identifying information in a public space unless you have the advance consent of that person? The Golden Rule (“Do Unto Others As You Would Like Others To Do Unto You”) should apply.

Corrected. I hate not being able to edit after 2 hours!

I ditto everything in this post, and can confirm what’s in the boldface — as it was stated to me directly on my last trip just a few weeks ago. But you always have some self-centered entitled tools who just don’t seem to care about the lives they leave behind the places they visit — as long as they get a bunch of likes on their posts. Don’t be That Guy.