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What a silly little post. The world didn’t begin when you signed-up on this site, Nor did leases on Soi 4 didn’t begin when you signed-up on this site If you had actually read what I posted before posting your “response”, you would see that have I have not suggested that one year leases are something new and that in fact, I have not suggested anything at all. That was a quote from Stickman from back in 2018 – before you signed-up on this site. So yes, the Soi 4 venues have “always” been on one year leases for as long as you have been on this site to share with us the remarkable knowledge and insight that you have gained while travelling to Thailand for discounted sodomy.

KMan is a knock shop and virtually no one from there hires for overnight; therefore they won't put an overnight price there on their regular bulletins. Overnights are possible though - if the particular boy is agreeable to it. Just message the shop on LINE and ask whether he is available to do overnight. You have a better chance of him agreeing to it if you message and arrange ahead of time rather than at the moment you want it. He may need to adjust his own plans to accommodate an overnight. Also, as overnights are not standard in these places, the price quoted may have no apparent relation to the hourly rate. Short-time prices on the Thai side of things are visibly lower than what you pay in foreign-focused places. That advantage often disappears when you book for an overnight.

That reminds me of the horror stories from boys who end-up in bed with customers who snore loudly and then complain when the boy tries to convert the overnight job into a short-time so that he can get out of there and actually get some sleep. In most cases it's not as if these boys who agree to overnights know what they are in for until they get into bed with - or try to fall asleep with - these customers. Even if they have actually been in bed with that snoring horror before, the snoring may have got a lot worse without the old fart realising it. Some of these stories are fairly recent and my sympathy is usually with the boy.

No, sugar puff. Your conclusion was that the closure of Soi 4 is imminent - which is complete and total rubbish that you pinched from a C-grade blog. That was your conclusion. Just one more example of the nonsense that you regularly post on here.

Bangkok Seven doesn't know his arse from his elbow. That fat clown showed-up in Bangkok a couple of years before Covid and started a blog trying to sound like a Patpong insider when, in fact, he barely knew the history of the area, the owners or the ownership. The fat clown had no idea even what Cosmos was all about while trying to blog like a pro - very much like a certain obese reader on this forum. If that is your source, I rest my case. With regards to the bars and "speculating where they will go", as I said There is no speculation about where they will go, or recommendations on where they should go. I have simply pointed-out that they won't be going far, regardless of where they end-up. The application of licensing laws mean that they will stay in that grid and there is no shortage of places for them to relocate. Therefore, the fears that led to comments such as Spoon's quote below are quite unfounded. The bars aren't going anywhere "imminently" and they aren't going to be going very far even in the future. Don't worry. There will be plenty of reasons to keep visiting Silom.

Before every queen starts clutching her pearls at the prospect of Soi 4 and Patpong being torn down, you should perhaps stop to consider the credibility of the claim of imminent destruction. Here we have a reader who is a habitual poster of all manner of nonsense telling us “Silom Soi 4 closing seen imminent”, supposedly “based on a tip" from another reader. We are further told that “however, a blogger claims that developers have their eyes set on Patpong”, without even being told which blogger it is so that we can evaluate the accuracy of the said blogger’s claims by looking at what other claims he has made on his/its blog. As far as that reader actually having any insight of his own into what goes on in the Silom/Patpong area, do bear in mind that this is the same joker who told us in September 2024 that “A reliable source reports that Good Boy bar (formerly Screw Boy) is giving serious consideration to relocating to the site last occupied by SOL bar (and its short-lived successor) opposite Hot Male's Midnight bar on Patpong 2.” Of course we all know how that turned out. Screw Boy didn’t move, while it is Atlas that now occupies that location. Also, bear in mind that the rumours of Soi 4 and Patpong being simultaneously taken-over and redeveloped have been going-on since at least the middle of the last decade. Here we have Stickman reporting in 2018: Something is going on at Patpong and some business owners in Bangkok’s oldest bar area are worried. And it’s not just in Patpong where business owners are concerned, but the wider area. What is going on in Patpong and its surrounds? The worry was magnified when word got out that bars were being offered just one-year leases… The first sign that something was up came a few years ago when word leaked from the Patpong Group about a so-called new development. That was all anyone knew – two words: new development. No details, not much of anything, everything pure conjecture, but worrying nonetheless. But it was not just Patpong. Across the wider area, other business owners reported that they too had only been offered one-year leases. The rumour mill went in to overdrive. The next soi up Silom Road from Patpong is Silom soi 4. It has long been known as a gay soi – though these days it is more a dining soi than a gay pickup area. All the bars and restaurants in Silom soi 4 are now on one-year leases too. And it is believed these are one-year leases with no extension clause. So what that means is that as it currently stands, businesses in Silom soi 4 have leases through until December 31st, 2019 with no guarantee that they will be able to run their business from their current location beyond then. One Silom soi 4 restaurant changed hands in the last month for just a million baht. Based on the numbers it was doing, you would have been expected it to go for several times that. Both the seller and the buyer are well aware of the short leases and the shadow hanging over the area – and that is attributed as the reason for the low price it changed hands for. See: https://www.stickmanbangkok.com/weekly-column/2018/11/whats-going-on-at-patpong/ None of this means that it won’t happen at some point. Just because this reader habitually posts nonsense doesn’t mean it won’t happen After all, even a broken clock tells the right time twice a day. It is inevitable that Patpong will be redeveloped at some point. That land is too valuable to be given over permanently to go go bars and, in any event, the pandemic and years of neglect have resulted in many of those properties now lying empty. Does that mean that the closure of Patpong, let alone of Soi 4, is imminent? No. Closure, after all, has been “imminent” for a decade now. The fact that the fat Australian queen who owns Pride has been flogging his bars on Soi 4 may be a sign that something is up, but as noted in that Stickman article, business owners on Soi 4 were flogging their bars and restaurants or relocating even nearly a decade ago in the belief that closure was imminent. When redevelopment eventually does happen, it will not mark the end of Silom/Patpomg as the main gay area for foreigners though – because the bars have nowhere else to go. The Patpong Entertainment Area - which goes beyond the narrow confines of Patpong 1 and 2 - is one of the three officially designated entertainment zones in Bangkok, along with RCA and Ratchada. These were designated during Thaksin’s time as PM. Take note that Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy are not officially designated entertainment zones and it is not possible to open new bars there. All supposedly new bars there are simply trading on old bar licences that they have bought - i.e. bought and rebranded old bars. With RCA itself now set for redevelopment and Ratchada too out of the way for foreigners, the gay bars will have to stay in that section of Silom. While the Patpong entertainment area was designated, its boundaries are not formally defined. However, it is generally accepted by the police to begin at Rama IV Road and run to Decho Road from right to left and from Surawong Road to Silom Road from top to bottom. Obtaining a bar licence within that grid is easy and venues within have generally been allowed to operate to very late hours. That is why, for example, Screw Boy was, traditionally, able to stay open long after the Soi Twilight bars closed. The gay bars won’t be leaving that area. There is no shortage of space within that grid – there is space on Thaniya 2, on Soi Wall Street and in the Soi 6 area, particularly on Anumanrajadorn where the Golden Cock is located – including the former Golden Cock building itself and the venues on the lane where Super A is. In times past, you had bars like Super Lex, Mamasan and King Diamond there on that lane. The only problem with Soi 6 is its distance from Soi 2. Right now, the proximity works nicely, creating a rather nice buzz. Then again, maybe some distance between the off bars and the gay social venues may not be such a bad thing. However, worrying about where bars may eventually end-up in the event that redevelopment actually happens is pointless. They aren’t going to be going very far. You may have to walk or waddle a little further than you do now, but that is hardly going to be the end of the world – and, no, nothing seems imminent.

The nicest thing about the supposedly overly spread out, overly sedate Chiang Mai scene is how it deters the worst sort of sex pests from visiting and now the worst sort of sexpats from settling. Chiang Mai is charming and the absence of these people is part of its charm.

When Tawan first opened, which was either at the very end of 1986 or the beginning of 1987, it was located on Surawong Road, opposite the Tawana Hotel, which at that time was still the Tawana Sheraton. It was on the 1st floor, not the ground floor It wasn't a muscle bar in the beginning, That only started a few years later. In the beginning it was just regular guys of the type you found in Bangkok bars in those days, including a few guys who would not meet the current minimum age for working in a bar. It was a couple of years before the bodybuilders first started appearing and, even then, it was a mixed crew of muscle men and regularly guys. It was a gradual shift to becoming a muscle man bar. Tawan only moved to Soi Tarntawan at the beginning of the 90s - it was either in 1990 or 1991 - into that building in your picture , but it was quite a different place then - much smaller. Originally, it only occupied half of that building and it used to be very blue on the inside. It was some years before it expanded to take over the whole building.

Indeed there was - and they would certainly know a thing or two about "invading and occupying other nations and being proud about it." So much so, the oppressed and frustrated natives of Pai are now referring to their town as "Pai-les-tine". https://www.pattayamail.com/thailandnews/pai-les-tine-phenomenon-israeli-influx-causes-concern-in-mae-hong-sons-pai-district-491322 The Bangkok Post also adds that "there could be as many as 30,000 Israelis living in the area — easily outnumbering the town's 21,000 local residents." and that "a number of businesses in the town, including several motorcycle riding schools, are illegally operated by Israeli citizens." What finally got the media's attention was "One incident saw four Israelis break into and vandalise Pai Hospital's emergency room." Pai used to be great fun. So laid-back. It sounds like the Israeli invasion has turned it into a real crap hole, though.

Well, this is an amusing post. Here we have a former Sunee bar owner saying exactly what I said in my 2023 post and yet for actually daring to say it out loud, I was rewarded with 6 red arrows from the Sunee fans. Hilarious. As I said: Sunee Plaza began to die when the police finally began to get serious about cracking down on underaged boys in the bars and those who used to hang around that area, generally. No, not all the bars in Sunee offered underaged boys and not everyone who went there was into that sort of thing but Sunee was a hotbed of that kind of thing. Once the police started cracking down in earnest, the gaps started showing very quickly.

That book was written a long time ago - 2008 according to Amazon - and he stopped doing walking tours a long time ago. Chai Pinit eventually opened the Scorpion beer bar on Soi Twilight in 2011 that was towards the back of the soi, past Ocean Boy. Another beer bar soon opened next door to him but then they merged under the Scorpion name and he was part-owner. He used to sell copies of Bangkok Boy at Scorpion. He sold the Scorpion bar a couple of years later and it was renamed something else that slips my mind. It was more fun with Chai there though. He was still to be seen in Soi Twilight and Patpong for some time after that, but I haven't seen him around for ages. As far as the authenticity of his memoir goes, he said that the English ghost writer added a lot of exaggeration. He didn't make very much from it either. Apparently the contract that he signed with the publisher was not favourable to him - or so he said, anyway.

No surprise that the first "like" on this idiotic post came from some fellow who regularly seems to speak out of his distended rear end. Birds of a feather flock together. Idiots give likes to idiotic comments. 👇👇👇

I would really love to see the police do a sting and sweep of everyone on the apps who is openly advertising the sale and/or use of these drugs. Considering that these people are openly advertising their criminal activity, it would be a very easy thing to do. The only reason that they haven't is because it will lead to screams of "homophobia" by the drug users and the "I can shoot a rainbow out of my arse" brigade. The lack of enforcement has allowed this scourge to become embedded in the gay scene, with devastating effect. It is time for a crackdown - a global crackdown. The owners of the apps who are allowing this to flourish on their platforms ought to be arrested and the apps ought to be seized. The dealers ought to be traced, which should be easy enough given the electronic links and conversation records. Time for a crackdown. Those who will screech about this being homophobic are the biggest danger to the well-being of men on the gay scene.

As a geriatric who can barely swallow the food that he eats but nonetheless still flies 6,000 miles to be sodomised, I should hope that you are heeding your own advice

My dear dimwit, Delaney's is not next door to anything as it is no longer in existence, as I pointed out. It was in the same row as Screw Boy - which is, of course also no longer a name to be found there. Delaney's was a 10 a second walk away - although perhaps considerably longer at the pace at which you hobble along. Should I have said "practically next door" for the benefit of one as challenged as yourself?

There are no longer bars in the Walking Street area with actual straight fuck shows. The main action in that area is at the Windmill bar, if you want to see the guys in the audience doing things with the girls on stage. Unfortunately, most of the guys who go there are rarely the best looking. Hang around long enough though and you may find some horny young bugger getting it on with the birds. Windmill is anything goes...

They offered it to me for 3 million baht - almost 50% below the advertised price. So I can't imagine that it sold for more than that. They were also willing to offload a percentage stake in it, whether a majority or minority. Not only did they want out, but they wanted money fast. The existing S&M bar was owned by the same Jew who owned the Patpong Museum. He is now rotting in jail in Phuket after being convicted for his links to a paedophile ring on that island. All his businesses were shut down - the Patpong Museum, the Bar Bar S&M club, the next door The Strip go go bar, the XXX Lounge go go bar, the Black Pagoda go go bar up on the bridge and the newly-opened Delaney's Irish Pub, next door to Screw Boy. All his businesses were shut down and their names were permanently banned. Yet, shortly thereafter. the S&M club reopened under a new name - having changed from Bar Bar to Octopus - and then The Strip reopened under the new name of Kinky Girls. In both cases, the so-called buyers/new owners were women with no apparent financial capacity of their own. The word was that they were but proxies for the Jew. Now, it seems that he is confident that he will be freed on appeal (and I believe that he had nothing to do with the bad actors down in Phuket and it was guilt by association)and there is talk that the Patpong Museum will reopen if he is freed. The S&M club was actually his biggest money earner. He said that he made millions from it - millions of dollars, not baht - and that it funded most of his other ventures. So the red cage that was in the Patpong Museum sitting alongside other items from the Bar Bar S&M club is no coincidence. Let us see what happens. The reopening of the Jew's venues would be a shot in the arm for Patpong 2 and I would particularly welcome the return of the Patpong Museum.

The three main short time options in that area are the Suriwongse Hotel on Soi Thaniya 2, the Pavillion Place hotel on Patpong 2 and the Strand Inn Hotel, also on Patpong 2, but towards the Silom Road end of PP2. As noted above, the Suriwongse Hotel is 400 bath for 2 hours. The towels and bed sheets are threadbare but clean and the rooms are clean and the bathrooms have a decent shower and hot water. The lighting is white fluorescent, but you can switch that off and leave the bathroom door open if you want a bit of soft lighting... The Pavilion Place Hotel is that hotel that is directly above Screw Boy and is the place of choice for guys from that bar. It is not exclusively a short-time place. Budget travellers stay there too. I have never used it but the pictures don't look too bad. As a matter of trivia, it used to be called the Plaza Hotel when it first opened in the 1950s and it was the first hotel in Thailand to offer a telephone in every room. The Strand Inn Hotel is a good option if you actually want decent rooms. You could actually stay there quite comfortably. Ladies from the Patpong bars usually thought better of you if you were taking there for a short time, as opposed to the other two places. I haven't been there for ages but rooms used to be nice - and looking at more recent pictures online, it still appears to be decent. The have, or at least used to have, a number of cabanas on the rooftop - literal love shacks. I wonder if they still have those? If you want a quickie without feeling too cheap, this is the best option. The hotel is on Patpong 2, near the Silom Road end. A pic of one the Strand's rooms below:

S'sense would be a good choice for the type of massage you want. The Prestige Massage is another option if you don't want to go to S'sense. Both are easily accessible from your hotel. The guys at S'sense have a manlier vibe. As far as the best go go show goes, that really depends on what your taste in guys is and what type of a show you want. The days when practically every bar had dancing and fuck shows is over - or at least in temporary suspension. If you want a show that includes fucking and wanking and tonnes of nudity, then go to Atlas. Atlas is the only bar with a fuck show right now. If you want lots of dancing and attempts at being arty, you can go to Dream Boy. If what you want is to see lots of guys with great bodies in briefs in a really well-choreographed show, go to Jupiter. If you want a show that comes fairly close to the sleazier vibes of old Bangkok, go to Good Boys (previously known as Screw Boy). There is no longer any screwing in teh shows there though. As you have two nights there, I would suggest that you to Jupiter on one night and Atlas (and/or Good Boy) on the other. If it's a fuck show you want to see, make sure you ask the manager at Atlas if they are having one on that night, as they may not have one on a particularly slow night.

Perhaps your friend has a distended anus and/or unrealistic expectations? What he considered inadequate may have been more than enough to satisfy the mamasan. What exactly constitutes big really varies from person to person. One regular poster on this site, for example, has had his gruesome old anus stretched so out of shape that he is left constantly complaining about how he can't find satisfaction in Thailand but needs to go to Brazil or Colombia to get his gruesome old orifice filled (I believe it is on one of the Bali threads that the admitted to the foul state of his anus - I'd really rather not go back and check). Yet most of us on this forum are able to find what we want in Thailand. So, could the issue not be your friend, rather than a dishonest mamasan?

What a silly little comment. My calling him out for a borderline racist attitude has nothing to do with his so-called "miscommunication" with the boy. But we shall not dwell on that. The bigger issue from from this thread is the idiotic behaviour of two individuals with regards to that boy. #10 is a great guy and it is sad to see him, effectively, being denigrated by the comments of the one who approached him with idiotic expectations and one who stuck himself in the middle of something that had nothing to do with him. There is nothing irrational about a boy not being interested in engaging with a client whom he perceives as a cheapskate or a weirdo. Those are probably the best reasons not to engage with a client. A worthwhile reminder, given how some old slobs seem to think that every boy is going to disregard how unappealing they look as long as they can produce money, like a grand 100 baht note, because the boy is desperate third world denizen. Indeed, the whole impression created is that of a cheapskate and weirdo with an exaggerated sense of his own worth and desirability - and disrespect for the boy. This thread, while slightly contentious, is perhaps a good wake-up call for cheap slobs. Something good may yet come out of it.

The air quality was actually pretty bad when I was there over the last week. One week in Bangkok and I had an almost permanently irritated throat and the pleasure of mild phlegm. Then again, I am rather sensitive. On the other hand, the cooler weather this time of year, particularly at night, is rather pleasant.

Trip report?

Did you seriously think he was going to let you have his private contact details for 100 miserable baht? Let alone that he was going to contact you? Did you seriously think that he would consider you a customer worth having, given your apparent inability to understand what he is looking to earn? Given your apparent inability to afford a proper tip, maybe the flow of money should be the other way around. Your attitude borders on the racist, and not just in this post. Your attitude and behaviour certainly aren't anything I would call first world. Do you seriously think they think you know how to run a bar better than they do? Do you seriously think that they care about your opinion on the volume of the music? No, they don't; because they couldn't care less whether you, personally, show-up again or not. It's not as if you offed anyone so that they would be inclined to treat you with any seriousness.

That was not the original venue. Tawan's original venue was on Suriwong Road back in the 1980s