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That says more about the state of your arse hole than it does anything about Asians.

You are conflating things. My comment had to do with the personal cleanliness of the Thais, not the state of public lavatories. Most Thais bathe twice a day, at least, and they wash themselves after taking a crap. Thais are fastidiously clean. The state of some of the public lavatories is actually a result of that. In lower-end place where you have a hose to wash with, water is going to keep dribbling even after you have switched the tap off. Even in places where you have a hand held douche, they tend to get worn out from heavy usage and there may be water on the floor from dripping or leakage. That has nothing to do with the personal hygiene of the Thais. Wet floors may be unpleasant, but if it’s a trade-off between a wet floor and a clean arse, the latter is preferable. In some higher-end venues they have got around this problem by installing those little jets for washing directly into the WC, so there is no dripping or leakage. As noted by Ichigo above, the Crowne Plaza is one such venue. You see the same with most native people in Southeast Asia. You will also see that when travelling through Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia etc. Loos are wet precisely because the people are clean - because there are washing facilities. Of course, as noted earlier, that does not always apply to the Chinese residents of the region. Even after several generations of being in a region where washing is expected, many still don’t wash. In Farangland, lavatories may be clean and dry, but that is because of a lack of washing facilities. The trade-off in many places is dry floors for dirty arses. Thankfully, that isn’t true of all countries though. Bidets are legally mandated in Italy, for example. It is in the heretical, Protestant countries that things are at their worst. By contrast, I can assure you that the pope has a clean bottom. Of course, in China it is the worst of both worlds. They walk around with dirty, unwashed arses yet they have dirty loos as well. To tie this tangent back to the OP’s original question, I will share this little anecdote. When in Chiang Mai last December, I went to the Michelin-recommended Paak Dang restaurant. It is owned by a Singaporean Chinese couple. Chiang Mai was fairly quiet and the restaurant almost empty. The only other table was a party of mainland Chinese - seven or eight of them – being very loud. It was slightly irritating but we were all there for a good time and it would have been churlish to hold it against them for enjoying themselves the way that they do. Anyhow, they eventually finished their meal and left, giving us some peace and quiet. Perhaps half an hour later, as we also prepared to leave, I went to use the loo. It was an absolute disaster zone. I won’t go into details but, inter alia, there were shoe prints on the toilet seat and tonnes of wet tissue on the floor and the douche lying on the floor in a puddle. The flush must also have been an alien contraption to them. These were people who could afford to travel abroad and dine in a Michelin Guide restaurant. I went to the lady owner and said that she might want to take a look at the loo. She asked “why?”. I said “well, you had a party of mainland Chinese here earlier…”. As soon as I got to “mainland Chin”, she audibly groaned. Her reaction was not a bad as that of the two Thai boys she brought along to clean-up the mess, though. Ask those Thai boys what they really think of the Chinese.

Many Thais dislike the Chinese. They find them loud, rude, pushy and dirty. Bar boys complaining about the Chinese not washing their arses after taking a crap and merely wiping with paper is hardly uncommon. The Chinese only wash when they bathe - and that holds true of many "diaspora" Chinese as well. To the Thais, who are ultra-clean, that is pretty revolting. Ask your favourite bar boy what he thinks of the Chinese when it comes to hygiene and you will rarely get a flattering answer. Of course. poor anal and genital hygiene among he Chinese is an issue that usually only impacts bar boys and girls. For most of the Thais, their dislike of the Chinese has to do with attitude and behaviour - rude, pushy, noisy and inconsiderate. Added to that has been the growing sense among many Thais - particularly smaller traders - that the Chinese are stealing business and opportunities from them by running illegal businesses in the country. A good many businesses in Chinatown are now owned by mainlanders, acting in concert with local nominees who are usually village idiots who have been paid a few thousand baht to sign a piece of paper. Some of that is covered in this Bangkok Post article. https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2632507/rough-start-for-new-chinatown?utm_campaign=Article&utm_source=article_suggestion_thailand&utm_medium=reccommended&utm_content=suggestion-article Of course, there is a limit to how much anti-Chinese sentiment can be expressed in the mainstream media, given that most of it is owned by "Thai Chinese". For every negative opinion about the Chinese they publish, they will be sure to publish one or two positive comments. Opinion on the street is less flattering, though. There is also growing resentment among the middle-class about Chinese pushing-up property prices and rentals. Considering what the Thais actually think of the Chinese, it is no surprise that your Thai friend wants to get out that building. It would have been a greater surprise if he had been keen on staying. So, "How do Thais View the Chinese?" - not very positively. Incidentally, many Thais dislike the Vietnamese for many of the same reasons - rude and aggressive. To quote one popular Tawan boy, "You know, many Thai people no like Vietnam(ese)". Admittedly, that was before he met a rich, attractive, young Vietnamese woman. On the issue of poor Chinese anal hygiene, see this bitch fight on a Singaporean forum. Note that the guilty parties don't deny it; they would just rather that it was not mentioned: https://www.blowingwind.io/forum/topic/36263-where-to-find-date-caucasians-ang-moh-g-w-m-in-sg-compiled/page/7/#comment-2707863 Bar boys will take their money, but they are not fond of the Chinese.

If by "sex show" you mean a full-on fuck show, the answer is that there are none left in Bangkok, at least as far as I know. Patpong used to be the centre for that, but there are no longer any ladyboy bars in Patpong following the pandemic. Of the two on Soi Cowboy - Cockatoo and Shadows - neither has fuck shows. Come to think of it. I don't even remember whether Shadows reopened or not. Cockatoo is still there, but there are no fuck shows. The main centre for ladyboy bars is now Nana Plaza. There are several of them and Obsession, on the ground floor, is the most popular of them, by far. All these bars have dudes with boobs / chicks with dicks, of the type that you are looking for. Just go there, spend a bit of time and tell them what you are looking for. If all you want is to fondle a ladyboy's breasts though, you can do that in almost any katoey bar on Soi Cowby or Nana.

More worrying than the disappearance of "Scam Dick" is the Chinese script on the signage. The last thing we need are hordes of them descending on Boyz Town. BBB should serve as a warning on the outcome.

Oh? What has Monkey ToysClub changed its name to and is it still the same format and ownership? Is 181 for sale as a going business or is it just the venue that is for sale?

Did she have a penis? Was she a ladyboy?

That is not a gift, but a trap. That is a black magic object of the type that bar girls - and, less commonly, bar boys - use to trap a client into a long-term relationship for their benefit. Your "I decide that his little statuette deserves, if nothing else, some cash at least" statement suggests that it already seems to be doing its job. If you are still in Thailand, I suggest that you give it to a monk at the nearest temple. If you are already at the airport and flying to your home country (which is obvious enough, though it need not be named), give it to the Thai temple there, if they are willing to accept it. Either way, get rid of it respectfully. Don't just throw it away, but do get rid of it fast. That is not a good object. Everyone is free to believe and do what they will, of course, but it would be remiss of someone who has some awareness of these things to remain silent in a situation like this.

The mamasan will tell you whatever is necessary to close the deal. If he thinks you're a top, he'll tell you that most are gay. If he thinks you're a bottom, he'll tell you that most are straight. A minimum of 2,000 for a short time in most Pattaya bars would be...generous. Or was that for an overnight? The boys at Nice Boys are nice. Even if they are not the most handsome by conventional standards, most have great attitudes. The customers, on the other hand, are often the bottom of the barrel - emphasis on bottom, although quite a few of them also resemble barrels. Alas, that bar, more than any other, attracts a lot of lowlifes. Should be an interesting first visit.

Actually rather nice to read an actual trip report that isn't just another tedious litany of "when and where I got fucked in the arse", - or the pursuit thereof - which is, effectively, what most of them are these days. Let us hope it doesn't go south from here...

Tawan started-out as a twink bar when it was on Surawong Road in the 80s. It only gradually became a muscle man bar. It was several years before the first muscle men started showing-up and they had both twinks and hunks alongside each other for several years. That is the original location. The others are all branches. Mango Tree is owned by the same people who own that Chinese restaurant across the road from it; or at least it was.

An up-to-date map would have to be no more than two weeks old, since that new bar, Sol, only opened a little more than two weeks ago. All maps are out of date. As you noted, things are more spread-out now and, although it doesn't include a map, the most useful guide that I am aware of is that Sawatdee thread that I linked to before in the new Dreamboy thread on here. It covers most of the bars, the renamings, relocations etc. and is quite detailed about where what is. It hasn't been updated for quite a while though and there are several changes that have occurred since then but it is useful because it is both comprehensive and concise. See: https://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?22922-Bangkok-Scene-All-Change-but-Same-Same The changes since then are: Screw Boy reopened about six months ago, in its old location on Patpong 2. A new bar, called Sol, opened on Patpong 2 in the ground floor location that was previously occupied by Dream Boy a couple of weeks ago. See: https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/39457-patpong-comings-and-goings/?do=findComment&comment=362729 9-Teen Massage has opened on Soi 6, alongside the other massage parlours near the Silom Road end of that soi. I think that makes it five of them in that short stretch. Also, the New Twilight Bar (aka Queen Club) mentioned in that thread has plunged into the abyss. That's the only one on that list that is no longer around. Finally, the excellent Surawong Cafe that is recommended in that thread has rebranded as Alley's, and the pizza is as good as described. If anyone is aware of an up-to-date map or a more up-to-date overview of the scene, please share.

Thank you making my point about the pointlessness of having a separate "Gay Thailand Businesses" section which is missed by most readers, viewers and visitors. It is often overlooked; even by someone like you who has been on this site for eight years... SOL is indeed a new bar that has opened in the old Dream Boy location.

Into the Gay Thailand section, I meant, obviously.

In some Thai venues a situation like this would be very quickly dealt with with a bottle to the head of the twat. Here is a particularly satisfying video of a pair of idiots getting their due for bad behavior. I particularly like how everyone else carries-on with business as usual. The bouncers are a pretty hot bunch as well... Shocking moment British father and son are brutally beaten by bouncers as they are kicked out of a bar in Thailand's 'Sin City' Daily Mail Online (1).mp4

An excellent thread, but many casual visitors will miss it since most never realise that there is a separate "Gay Thailand Businesses" section. I have never really understood the logic of that. You do, after all, have people posting about visits to massage parlours in the Gay Thailand section as well as massage place reviews here. There is no natural division. This thread would probably sit more sensibly in the Gay Thailand Businesses section, particularly since you have had people adding in what are essentially trip report notes rather than actual Comings and Goings of Bangkok venues. Besides, it would definitely be of broad and general interest. Nice to see the old Dream Boy site coming back to life. I miss having my view blocked by that giant pillar.

Many thanks for that.

It is standard for to be charged for the time that a host or hostess spends with you in Thai-style host bars or karaokes. The charge will either be on an hourly or half-hourly basis, depending on the policy in each venue. The going rate in most Saphan Kwai hostess bars is about 200 baht per half-hour, per girl that you invite over to sit with you. Not sure how that compares with what you had to pay at Hi Club, but I assume that it was somewhere along the same lines.

Thanks for the update on how Circle Pub is doing. Could you give an idea of which host bars the guys from New My Way are now working in? That was, essentially, what I was asking. My question is specifically about the guys from New My Way, rather than about AA or Shan bar boys in general. Where are the guys working now? Which bars and where are those bars located? My question was initially directed at Jens as I assumed he might have an idea. An answer from anyone with direct knowledge would be welcome though.

Very happy to hear that Adam's Apple is doing well and that Circle Pub has reopened. Sad to hear about the owner of New My Way. I thought that he might have moved back to the South. Do you have any idea where most of the boys from New My Way are working now or which bar has similar types of guys?

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No idea what planet you are travelling from but those prices seem out of this world. Prices from NYC to Bangkok in January on business class can still be had for under $4,000. Skyscanner.com has great deals, as usual. I looked at some of the options and put in the dates of 17.01.2023 for departure and 31.01.2023 for the return and the best options seem to be on Turkish Airlines. which is a perfectly good airline. Some of the results below. 26 hours on the way up and 24 hours on the way back for $3,844. Pay a few hundred more ($4,150) and Turkish Airlines will even get you there in 21 hours and 45 minutes. Skyscanner.com ...infinitely better than lying Google.

Ah well, at least people can take a walk down memory lane now, even if it's only halfway down the lane. Hopefully they won't build some big monolithic building and we will still be able to identify the former locations of our favourite bars when walking through whatever it is that eventually gets built. Since Bangkok is expecting a major glut of office space over the next two or three years, perhaps they won't start work on anything permanent for a while to work. More of those open-air "spaces" would be welcome in the meantime.

Since no other pictures of the interior of the new Dream Boy have appeared here, I have just plucked and posted one from that Sawatdee thread (with permission and attribution). It's a lot bigger than the previous location and a big improvement as well without that pillar blocking the stage Source: https://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?22922-Bangkok-Scene-All-Change-but-Same-Same