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I recently saw a news reporting documenting how hard it is to visit China these days with all payments going through WeChat and that there is no Google service in the country including map.  Ticket to Forbidden City need to be bought by an app with Chinesse number

Also, do you know when you visit a hotel in China you have to report yourself to local police in 24 hours? 
 
Report by CNBC 
 
 
 

Hey everyone,
just for a public service announcement- a new massage store is opening. Conveniently located beside OnNut. Some boys look familiar, but some look new too.
the decoration is in chinese style. It has 7 rooms over 4 storeys but no private washroom. The shop is considered: H style (hard).
 
location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/uip6udcetJbhnHYi6?g_st=com.google.maps.preview.copy
X account: fafaspa_bkk
 

So I have been on the forum for sometime to collect tips / lessons learned from the different posts here, as well as refering to external resources. I thought it would be great just to share my observation on best practices in the forum. Hoping that this could be helpful for first timer gay visit to Bangkok. If you have anything else - feel free to add. 
A mandatory read it of course the Shameless Mack travel log - https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog/category/bangkok/. God bless his soul for being a faithful  field reporter of his escapades in Bangkok with lots of charm and character.  The forum here also contains many trip report which are written by forum veterans … (Vinapu and others)
Massage Parlor
Understand that there are different type of massage parlors.  Not all massage parlors are created equal:
Booking or not: Parlors along Silom area tend to operate on walk-ins (VCK Club, Arena massage) while Saphan Khwai operate on booking basis (KMAN, Phetboy, One, etc).  You must have LINE on your phone and add individual massage parlors on LINE to make prior booking.  From what I gather, the booking need not to be made too far in advance - a day or two before is probably sufficient Tipping:  It is important to understand what is the minimum tips required for each shop.   Whereas the massage parlor state a minimum tip of 1000 baht+ - this signals that some sex is included - if you are not sure and want to have an exact activity in mind, be sure to ask in advance.  The common courtesy here is to tip above minimum (up to 50%+) if service received is good.   General thai massage parlor:  Some stores along Silom are just a general massage place (like Green Massage by way of example). Here there will be a negotiation with the masseur if you want additional service and what that entails Not all massage parlors have “happy ending”.  For instance, Prime Massage is known for their quality massage and unlikely you’ll have happy ending here.  Some men-oriented massage is targeted at high end of the market and will not have sex involved (e.g. Prestige massage, MSense Massage) comes to mind There are tons of massage shops out there - some are geared toward tourist with tried and true business model (VCK, Prince, Ssense, Gannymede, Arena) while some are geared toward local (KMan, Aura, One, etc). There are stores further out too that are just not in tourist area (Taywa, Master Gallery, etc).  VCK club is likely the most famous shop among foreigners - I’ve heard that the service in this store has gone down with it being too mechanical. You’ll likely be in and out well below the time purchased If receiving masseur photos in advance, be cautioned that the photo has been enhanced in post-edit - just to keep expectations realistic.  The profile of the masseur will often indicate HEIGHT/WEIGHT/ Orientation (Gay/Straight/Bisexual) / Tool size.  Generally have cash ready for tips and to purchase the massage. Do not bring valuables or too much cash. Gogo Bar (The One, Dreamboy, Moonlight, etc)
GoGo bar is another way (beside Massage parlor) that enable you to have an ‘encounter’. Each bar has its own forte and the reports by various forum members here describe the type of performers are there. Sometimes you can also check out their TikTok to see the lineup of guys there. 
There is typically en entrance fee (500 Baht+) that includes a drink  The shows typically start late 10p+ During the show, you will have an opportunity to interact with ‘mamasan’ or ‘papasan’ to see which boy you are interested to take with you at the end of the night The best practice here it seems is to have a quick chat with the boy first (with mamasan/papasan help, or just wave at him). If you have a chat with the performer, then you need to buy him a drink and maybe a small tip like 100 baht (if you dont end up taking him) During the negotiation, the best practice is to ask how much is his service be depending on your preference (Short time - couple of hours, or Long time - until next day). This is to avoid surprise of tip amount at the end.  If you absolutely need certain activity to be carried out, it also does not hurt to ask now I believe the rate for ST here is about 1500baht-2000baht whereas long term can be as much as 3000-3500baht. You will also need to pay a bar fine 500baht typically when you take the boy away If the boy end up leaving earlier than anticipated, you adjust the tip accordingly (advice per forum member here) Based on my guestimation, the time you will be able to take the boy off with you is likely well past midnight - therefore this method is less than ideal to those who tend to like to sleep earlier  Apps (Grindr/Hornet/JackD/etc)
App is a very common way to find ‘encounter’. Of course, this is probably one of the more uncharted territory that comes with its own risk and reward.  
It is important to state your boundary if you have any (Such as no drugs, no alcohol, etc).  Pay attention to emoji / description of the profile If you encounter money boy, looks like the rate is similar to the rate quoted above for Gogo Boy I heard some hotels as safety measures are more strict with guests and that you may have to register him. I think that’s totally cool and add layer of protection Sauna / Baththouse
Some famous sauna in Bangkok comes to mind like Krubb, Sauna Mania, R3,  etc. 
These saunas involve an entry fee (500baht?) and has the typical feature of a gay baththouse: change room, dark room, shower, onsen, sauna, movie room, lounge area, etc You can see in advance which day the sauna may have a ‘special peformance’ that night which may involve some group activity which you may participate / just see As with any visit to any gay bathhouse, it is 100% YMMV (Your Mileage may vary).  However, if you go in with the expectation just to experience it - especially during night of performance - that on its own can be rewarding to some extent Safety / STD:
This need not to be said that you need to pay attention to it.  Best practice for STD prevention should be top of mind. 
 
At the end of the day, just as with any trip, you may have good experience on certain days and encounter hiccup on another - so don’t worry. We are just learning from each experience and most importantly to have fun
Feel free to add any other tips that I may be missing 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Hey everyone,
just for a public service announcement- a new massage store is opening. Conveniently located beside OnNut. Some boys look familiar, but some look new too.
the decoration is in chinese style. It has 7 rooms over 4 storeys but no private washroom. The shop is considered: H style (hard).
 
location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/uip6udcetJbhnHYi6?g_st=com.google.maps.preview.copy
X account: fafaspa_bkk
 

Hey everyone,
just for a public service announcement- a new massage store is opening. Conveniently located beside OnNut. Some boys look familiar, but some look new too.
the decoration is in chinese style. It has 7 rooms over 4 storeys but no private washroom. The shop is considered: H style (hard).
 
location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/uip6udcetJbhnHYi6?g_st=com.google.maps.preview.copy
X account: fafaspa_bkk
 

So I have been on the forum for sometime to collect tips / lessons learned from the different posts here, as well as refering to external resources. I thought it would be great just to share my observation on best practices in the forum. Hoping that this could be helpful for first timer gay visit to Bangkok. If you have anything else - feel free to add. 
A mandatory read it of course the Shameless Mack travel log - https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog/category/bangkok/. God bless his soul for being a faithful  field reporter of his escapades in Bangkok with lots of charm and character.  The forum here also contains many trip report which are written by forum veterans … (Vinapu and others)
Massage Parlor
Understand that there are different type of massage parlors.  Not all massage parlors are created equal:
Booking or not: Parlors along Silom area tend to operate on walk-ins (VCK Club, Arena massage) while Saphan Khwai operate on booking basis (KMAN, Phetboy, One, etc).  You must have LINE on your phone and add individual massage parlors on LINE to make prior booking.  From what I gather, the booking need not to be made too far in advance - a day or two before is probably sufficient Tipping:  It is important to understand what is the minimum tips required for each shop.   Whereas the massage parlor state a minimum tip of 1000 baht+ - this signals that some sex is included - if you are not sure and want to have an exact activity in mind, be sure to ask in advance.  The common courtesy here is to tip above minimum (up to 50%+) if service received is good.   General thai massage parlor:  Some stores along Silom are just a general massage place (like Green Massage by way of example). Here there will be a negotiation with the masseur if you want additional service and what that entails Not all massage parlors have “happy ending”.  For instance, Prime Massage is known for their quality massage and unlikely you’ll have happy ending here.  Some men-oriented massage is targeted at high end of the market and will not have sex involved (e.g. Prestige massage, MSense Massage) comes to mind There are tons of massage shops out there - some are geared toward tourist with tried and true business model (VCK, Prince, Ssense, Gannymede, Arena) while some are geared toward local (KMan, Aura, One, etc). There are stores further out too that are just not in tourist area (Taywa, Master Gallery, etc).  VCK club is likely the most famous shop among foreigners - I’ve heard that the service in this store has gone down with it being too mechanical. You’ll likely be in and out well below the time purchased If receiving masseur photos in advance, be cautioned that the photo has been enhanced in post-edit - just to keep expectations realistic.  The profile of the masseur will often indicate HEIGHT/WEIGHT/ Orientation (Gay/Straight/Bisexual) / Tool size.  Generally have cash ready for tips and to purchase the massage. Do not bring valuables or too much cash. Gogo Bar (The One, Dreamboy, Moonlight, etc)
GoGo bar is another way (beside Massage parlor) that enable you to have an ‘encounter’. Each bar has its own forte and the reports by various forum members here describe the type of performers are there. Sometimes you can also check out their TikTok to see the lineup of guys there. 
There is typically en entrance fee (500 Baht+) that includes a drink  The shows typically start late 10p+ During the show, you will have an opportunity to interact with ‘mamasan’ or ‘papasan’ to see which boy you are interested to take with you at the end of the night The best practice here it seems is to have a quick chat with the boy first (with mamasan/papasan help, or just wave at him). If you have a chat with the performer, then you need to buy him a drink and maybe a small tip like 100 baht (if you dont end up taking him) During the negotiation, the best practice is to ask how much is his service be depending on your preference (Short time - couple of hours, or Long time - until next day). This is to avoid surprise of tip amount at the end.  If you absolutely need certain activity to be carried out, it also does not hurt to ask now I believe the rate for ST here is about 1500baht-2000baht whereas long term can be as much as 3000-3500baht. You will also need to pay a bar fine 500baht typically when you take the boy away If the boy end up leaving earlier than anticipated, you adjust the tip accordingly (advice per forum member here) Based on my guestimation, the time you will be able to take the boy off with you is likely well past midnight - therefore this method is less than ideal to those who tend to like to sleep earlier  Apps (Grindr/Hornet/JackD/etc)
App is a very common way to find ‘encounter’. Of course, this is probably one of the more uncharted territory that comes with its own risk and reward.  
It is important to state your boundary if you have any (Such as no drugs, no alcohol, etc).  Pay attention to emoji / description of the profile If you encounter money boy, looks like the rate is similar to the rate quoted above for Gogo Boy I heard some hotels as safety measures are more strict with guests and that you may have to register him. I think that’s totally cool and add layer of protection Sauna / Baththouse
Some famous sauna in Bangkok comes to mind like Krubb, Sauna Mania, R3,  etc. 
These saunas involve an entry fee (500baht?) and has the typical feature of a gay baththouse: change room, dark room, shower, onsen, sauna, movie room, lounge area, etc You can see in advance which day the sauna may have a ‘special peformance’ that night which may involve some group activity which you may participate / just see As with any visit to any gay bathhouse, it is 100% YMMV (Your Mileage may vary).  However, if you go in with the expectation just to experience it - especially during night of performance - that on its own can be rewarding to some extent Safety / STD:
This need not to be said that you need to pay attention to it.  Best practice for STD prevention should be top of mind. 
 
At the end of the day, just as with any trip, you may have good experience on certain days and encounter hiccup on another - so don’t worry. We are just learning from each experience and most importantly to have fun
Feel free to add any other tips that I may be missing 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Is it true for generalization below for guys available at the "grab and go" shop
 
VCK: Gym fit, late 20s/early 30s, fair skinned
Arena: Muscular, mature (late 30s), dark skinned
Senso: Young, toned, early 20s
Prince: Similar to VCK but more mature?
 
 

So I have been on the forum for sometime to collect tips / lessons learned from the different posts here, as well as refering to external resources. I thought it would be great just to share my observation on best practices in the forum. Hoping that this could be helpful for first timer gay visit to Bangkok. If you have anything else - feel free to add. 
A mandatory read it of course the Shameless Mack travel log - https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog/category/bangkok/. God bless his soul for being a faithful  field reporter of his escapades in Bangkok with lots of charm and character.  The forum here also contains many trip report which are written by forum veterans … (Vinapu and others)
Massage Parlor
Understand that there are different type of massage parlors.  Not all massage parlors are created equal:
Booking or not: Parlors along Silom area tend to operate on walk-ins (VCK Club, Arena massage) while Saphan Khwai operate on booking basis (KMAN, Phetboy, One, etc).  You must have LINE on your phone and add individual massage parlors on LINE to make prior booking.  From what I gather, the booking need not to be made too far in advance - a day or two before is probably sufficient Tipping:  It is important to understand what is the minimum tips required for each shop.   Whereas the massage parlor state a minimum tip of 1000 baht+ - this signals that some sex is included - if you are not sure and want to have an exact activity in mind, be sure to ask in advance.  The common courtesy here is to tip above minimum (up to 50%+) if service received is good.   General thai massage parlor:  Some stores along Silom are just a general massage place (like Green Massage by way of example). Here there will be a negotiation with the masseur if you want additional service and what that entails Not all massage parlors have “happy ending”.  For instance, Prime Massage is known for their quality massage and unlikely you’ll have happy ending here.  Some men-oriented massage is targeted at high end of the market and will not have sex involved (e.g. Prestige massage, MSense Massage) comes to mind There are tons of massage shops out there - some are geared toward tourist with tried and true business model (VCK, Prince, Ssense, Gannymede, Arena) while some are geared toward local (KMan, Aura, One, etc). There are stores further out too that are just not in tourist area (Taywa, Master Gallery, etc).  VCK club is likely the most famous shop among foreigners - I’ve heard that the service in this store has gone down with it being too mechanical. You’ll likely be in and out well below the time purchased If receiving masseur photos in advance, be cautioned that the photo has been enhanced in post-edit - just to keep expectations realistic.  The profile of the masseur will often indicate HEIGHT/WEIGHT/ Orientation (Gay/Straight/Bisexual) / Tool size.  Generally have cash ready for tips and to purchase the massage. Do not bring valuables or too much cash. Gogo Bar (The One, Dreamboy, Moonlight, etc)
GoGo bar is another way (beside Massage parlor) that enable you to have an ‘encounter’. Each bar has its own forte and the reports by various forum members here describe the type of performers are there. Sometimes you can also check out their TikTok to see the lineup of guys there. 
There is typically en entrance fee (500 Baht+) that includes a drink  The shows typically start late 10p+ During the show, you will have an opportunity to interact with ‘mamasan’ or ‘papasan’ to see which boy you are interested to take with you at the end of the night The best practice here it seems is to have a quick chat with the boy first (with mamasan/papasan help, or just wave at him). If you have a chat with the performer, then you need to buy him a drink and maybe a small tip like 100 baht (if you dont end up taking him) During the negotiation, the best practice is to ask how much is his service be depending on your preference (Short time - couple of hours, or Long time - until next day). This is to avoid surprise of tip amount at the end.  If you absolutely need certain activity to be carried out, it also does not hurt to ask now I believe the rate for ST here is about 1500baht-2000baht whereas long term can be as much as 3000-3500baht. You will also need to pay a bar fine 500baht typically when you take the boy away If the boy end up leaving earlier than anticipated, you adjust the tip accordingly (advice per forum member here) Based on my guestimation, the time you will be able to take the boy off with you is likely well past midnight - therefore this method is less than ideal to those who tend to like to sleep earlier  Apps (Grindr/Hornet/JackD/etc)
App is a very common way to find ‘encounter’. Of course, this is probably one of the more uncharted territory that comes with its own risk and reward.  
It is important to state your boundary if you have any (Such as no drugs, no alcohol, etc).  Pay attention to emoji / description of the profile If you encounter money boy, looks like the rate is similar to the rate quoted above for Gogo Boy I heard some hotels as safety measures are more strict with guests and that you may have to register him. I think that’s totally cool and add layer of protection Sauna / Baththouse
Some famous sauna in Bangkok comes to mind like Krubb, Sauna Mania, R3,  etc. 
These saunas involve an entry fee (500baht?) and has the typical feature of a gay baththouse: change room, dark room, shower, onsen, sauna, movie room, lounge area, etc You can see in advance which day the sauna may have a ‘special peformance’ that night which may involve some group activity which you may participate / just see As with any visit to any gay bathhouse, it is 100% YMMV (Your Mileage may vary).  However, if you go in with the expectation just to experience it - especially during night of performance - that on its own can be rewarding to some extent Safety / STD:
This need not to be said that you need to pay attention to it.  Best practice for STD prevention should be top of mind. 
 
At the end of the day, just as with any trip, you may have good experience on certain days and encounter hiccup on another - so don’t worry. We are just learning from each experience and most importantly to have fun
Feel free to add any other tips that I may be missing 
 
 
 
 
 
 

So I have been on the forum for sometime to collect tips / lessons learned from the different posts here, as well as refering to external resources. I thought it would be great just to share my observation on best practices in the forum. Hoping that this could be helpful for first timer gay visit to Bangkok. If you have anything else - feel free to add. 
A mandatory read it of course the Shameless Mack travel log - https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog/category/bangkok/. God bless his soul for being a faithful  field reporter of his escapades in Bangkok with lots of charm and character.  The forum here also contains many trip report which are written by forum veterans … (Vinapu and others)
Massage Parlor
Understand that there are different type of massage parlors.  Not all massage parlors are created equal:
Booking or not: Parlors along Silom area tend to operate on walk-ins (VCK Club, Arena massage) while Saphan Khwai operate on booking basis (KMAN, Phetboy, One, etc).  You must have LINE on your phone and add individual massage parlors on LINE to make prior booking.  From what I gather, the booking need not to be made too far in advance - a day or two before is probably sufficient Tipping:  It is important to understand what is the minimum tips required for each shop.   Whereas the massage parlor state a minimum tip of 1000 baht+ - this signals that some sex is included - if you are not sure and want to have an exact activity in mind, be sure to ask in advance.  The common courtesy here is to tip above minimum (up to 50%+) if service received is good.   General thai massage parlor:  Some stores along Silom are just a general massage place (like Green Massage by way of example). Here there will be a negotiation with the masseur if you want additional service and what that entails Not all massage parlors have “happy ending”.  For instance, Prime Massage is known for their quality massage and unlikely you’ll have happy ending here.  Some men-oriented massage is targeted at high end of the market and will not have sex involved (e.g. Prestige massage, MSense Massage) comes to mind There are tons of massage shops out there - some are geared toward tourist with tried and true business model (VCK, Prince, Ssense, Gannymede, Arena) while some are geared toward local (KMan, Aura, One, etc). There are stores further out too that are just not in tourist area (Taywa, Master Gallery, etc).  VCK club is likely the most famous shop among foreigners - I’ve heard that the service in this store has gone down with it being too mechanical. You’ll likely be in and out well below the time purchased If receiving masseur photos in advance, be cautioned that the photo has been enhanced in post-edit - just to keep expectations realistic.  The profile of the masseur will often indicate HEIGHT/WEIGHT/ Orientation (Gay/Straight/Bisexual) / Tool size.  Generally have cash ready for tips and to purchase the massage. Do not bring valuables or too much cash. Gogo Bar (The One, Dreamboy, Moonlight, etc)
GoGo bar is another way (beside Massage parlor) that enable you to have an ‘encounter’. Each bar has its own forte and the reports by various forum members here describe the type of performers are there. Sometimes you can also check out their TikTok to see the lineup of guys there. 
There is typically en entrance fee (500 Baht+) that includes a drink  The shows typically start late 10p+ During the show, you will have an opportunity to interact with ‘mamasan’ or ‘papasan’ to see which boy you are interested to take with you at the end of the night The best practice here it seems is to have a quick chat with the boy first (with mamasan/papasan help, or just wave at him). If you have a chat with the performer, then you need to buy him a drink and maybe a small tip like 100 baht (if you dont end up taking him) During the negotiation, the best practice is to ask how much is his service be depending on your preference (Short time - couple of hours, or Long time - until next day). This is to avoid surprise of tip amount at the end.  If you absolutely need certain activity to be carried out, it also does not hurt to ask now I believe the rate for ST here is about 1500baht-2000baht whereas long term can be as much as 3000-3500baht. You will also need to pay a bar fine 500baht typically when you take the boy away If the boy end up leaving earlier than anticipated, you adjust the tip accordingly (advice per forum member here) Based on my guestimation, the time you will be able to take the boy off with you is likely well past midnight - therefore this method is less than ideal to those who tend to like to sleep earlier  Apps (Grindr/Hornet/JackD/etc)
App is a very common way to find ‘encounter’. Of course, this is probably one of the more uncharted territory that comes with its own risk and reward.  
It is important to state your boundary if you have any (Such as no drugs, no alcohol, etc).  Pay attention to emoji / description of the profile If you encounter money boy, looks like the rate is similar to the rate quoted above for Gogo Boy I heard some hotels as safety measures are more strict with guests and that you may have to register him. I think that’s totally cool and add layer of protection Sauna / Baththouse
Some famous sauna in Bangkok comes to mind like Krubb, Sauna Mania, R3,  etc. 
These saunas involve an entry fee (500baht?) and has the typical feature of a gay baththouse: change room, dark room, shower, onsen, sauna, movie room, lounge area, etc You can see in advance which day the sauna may have a ‘special peformance’ that night which may involve some group activity which you may participate / just see As with any visit to any gay bathhouse, it is 100% YMMV (Your Mileage may vary).  However, if you go in with the expectation just to experience it - especially during night of performance - that on its own can be rewarding to some extent Safety / STD:
This need not to be said that you need to pay attention to it.  Best practice for STD prevention should be top of mind. 
 
At the end of the day, just as with any trip, you may have good experience on certain days and encounter hiccup on another - so don’t worry. We are just learning from each experience and most importantly to have fun
Feel free to add any other tips that I may be missing 
 
 
 
 
 
 

So I have been on the forum for sometime to collect tips / lessons learned from the different posts here, as well as refering to external resources. I thought it would be great just to share my observation on best practices in the forum. Hoping that this could be helpful for first timer gay visit to Bangkok. If you have anything else - feel free to add. 
A mandatory read it of course the Shameless Mack travel log - https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog/category/bangkok/. God bless his soul for being a faithful  field reporter of his escapades in Bangkok with lots of charm and character.  The forum here also contains many trip report which are written by forum veterans … (Vinapu and others)
Massage Parlor
Understand that there are different type of massage parlors.  Not all massage parlors are created equal:
Booking or not: Parlors along Silom area tend to operate on walk-ins (VCK Club, Arena massage) while Saphan Khwai operate on booking basis (KMAN, Phetboy, One, etc).  You must have LINE on your phone and add individual massage parlors on LINE to make prior booking.  From what I gather, the booking need not to be made too far in advance - a day or two before is probably sufficient Tipping:  It is important to understand what is the minimum tips required for each shop.   Whereas the massage parlor state a minimum tip of 1000 baht+ - this signals that some sex is included - if you are not sure and want to have an exact activity in mind, be sure to ask in advance.  The common courtesy here is to tip above minimum (up to 50%+) if service received is good.   General thai massage parlor:  Some stores along Silom are just a general massage place (like Green Massage by way of example). Here there will be a negotiation with the masseur if you want additional service and what that entails Not all massage parlors have “happy ending”.  For instance, Prime Massage is known for their quality massage and unlikely you’ll have happy ending here.  Some men-oriented massage is targeted at high end of the market and will not have sex involved (e.g. Prestige massage, MSense Massage) comes to mind There are tons of massage shops out there - some are geared toward tourist with tried and true business model (VCK, Prince, Ssense, Gannymede, Arena) while some are geared toward local (KMan, Aura, One, etc). There are stores further out too that are just not in tourist area (Taywa, Master Gallery, etc).  VCK club is likely the most famous shop among foreigners - I’ve heard that the service in this store has gone down with it being too mechanical. You’ll likely be in and out well below the time purchased If receiving masseur photos in advance, be cautioned that the photo has been enhanced in post-edit - just to keep expectations realistic.  The profile of the masseur will often indicate HEIGHT/WEIGHT/ Orientation (Gay/Straight/Bisexual) / Tool size.  Generally have cash ready for tips and to purchase the massage. Do not bring valuables or too much cash. Gogo Bar (The One, Dreamboy, Moonlight, etc)
GoGo bar is another way (beside Massage parlor) that enable you to have an ‘encounter’. Each bar has its own forte and the reports by various forum members here describe the type of performers are there. Sometimes you can also check out their TikTok to see the lineup of guys there. 
There is typically en entrance fee (500 Baht+) that includes a drink  The shows typically start late 10p+ During the show, you will have an opportunity to interact with ‘mamasan’ or ‘papasan’ to see which boy you are interested to take with you at the end of the night The best practice here it seems is to have a quick chat with the boy first (with mamasan/papasan help, or just wave at him). If you have a chat with the performer, then you need to buy him a drink and maybe a small tip like 100 baht (if you dont end up taking him) During the negotiation, the best practice is to ask how much is his service be depending on your preference (Short time - couple of hours, or Long time - until next day). This is to avoid surprise of tip amount at the end.  If you absolutely need certain activity to be carried out, it also does not hurt to ask now I believe the rate for ST here is about 1500baht-2000baht whereas long term can be as much as 3000-3500baht. You will also need to pay a bar fine 500baht typically when you take the boy away If the boy end up leaving earlier than anticipated, you adjust the tip accordingly (advice per forum member here) Based on my guestimation, the time you will be able to take the boy off with you is likely well past midnight - therefore this method is less than ideal to those who tend to like to sleep earlier  Apps (Grindr/Hornet/JackD/etc)
App is a very common way to find ‘encounter’. Of course, this is probably one of the more uncharted territory that comes with its own risk and reward.  
It is important to state your boundary if you have any (Such as no drugs, no alcohol, etc).  Pay attention to emoji / description of the profile If you encounter money boy, looks like the rate is similar to the rate quoted above for Gogo Boy I heard some hotels as safety measures are more strict with guests and that you may have to register him. I think that’s totally cool and add layer of protection Sauna / Baththouse
Some famous sauna in Bangkok comes to mind like Krubb, Sauna Mania, R3,  etc. 
These saunas involve an entry fee (500baht?) and has the typical feature of a gay baththouse: change room, dark room, shower, onsen, sauna, movie room, lounge area, etc You can see in advance which day the sauna may have a ‘special peformance’ that night which may involve some group activity which you may participate / just see As with any visit to any gay bathhouse, it is 100% YMMV (Your Mileage may vary).  However, if you go in with the expectation just to experience it - especially during night of performance - that on its own can be rewarding to some extent Safety / STD:
This need not to be said that you need to pay attention to it.  Best practice for STD prevention should be top of mind. 
 
At the end of the day, just as with any trip, you may have good experience on certain days and encounter hiccup on another - so don’t worry. We are just learning from each experience and most importantly to have fun
Feel free to add any other tips that I may be missing 
 
 
 
 
 
 

First of all: Thanks to veteran members here @vinapu, @macaroni21, @bkkmfj2648, @reader that inspire this trip to begin with. This is the first Bangkok gay-oriented trip for me ever.  I am coming back in June 2025 so will save some of the bars / onsens experience to that part of the trip. This trip is mostly focused towards gay massage experience - variety of it.  I am venturing out to off beaten paths shops - reviewed / non-reviewed shops. 
[B]First, some burning Q&A about massage shops in Bangkok that I answered during my trip[/B]
Q: How does one broadly classify gay massage experience in Bangkok?  
A: All stores involve to some degree of sexual activities. The massage shops can be broadly classified as follow: Pricing (Low to High), and Activities included (Soft only, Soft but hard could be included, or Mandated Hard)
 
Q: About pricing. Why would anyone go to high end stores (1500B+) if one can get the same pleasure from stores charging fraction of the price?
A: Facilities at higher end shop feels a lot more comfortable in terms of cleanliness, private bathroom - even a bathtub with full service included.  However, what is often not talked about here is the quality of the boys.  Boys at lower end shop is doing it for the money at whatever bare minimum.  I noticed that they are more mechanical (you can see in my review below).  Higher end shop boys seems to be enjoying their job because of their pay - much more likely to go above and beyond what is required.  They are less subject to revolving doors phenomena that the shop just hire whoever is available.  Guys at higher end shop, especially in non-freelance model, takes pride on what they do and bank of repeat business. 
 
Q: About activities. Why would anyone go to soft shop / hard optional shop if one can go to shops where hard activity is guaranteed?
A: This is the nuanced that I also had to appreciate. Hard shops which tend to have mandated higher tips - will deliver exactly that. A hard activity (either T/B).  I found that in these shops, by nature, the service do feel more mechanical.  The boys already have earned his/her tips as long as he does the activity. In a softer shop, the boys exercise discretion on what activitiy to deliver to earn his tips. I found that kissing/affection factor is higher in softer shop versus hard oriented shops. I guess you cannot win them all! 
 
Q: What is the best predictor whether the masseure will kiss ?
A: Their sexual orientation is likely the best predictor. Without fail, all the masseur who is gay will kiss a lot more willingly. A top / straight masseur will not kiss. How do you find out their sexual orientation then?  The massage review group on X disclose their orientation or sometimes the shop does too, and you may ask the shop directly when booking. 
 
Q: Negotiation during soft shop session
A: This is to be expected when stated minimum tips is 200B or some other nominal amount.  The boys can/do exercise discretion and will offer extra service. If the boy does not speak English at all, it is possible to use the translate app and be clear on what you are asking in the beginning (B2B, handjob, etc). 
 
In the next post, I will go into more depth on the six shops that I frequented during my trip.  [B]To be continued[/B]. 
 
 

First of all: Thanks to veteran members here @vinapu, @macaroni21, @bkkmfj2648, @reader that inspire this trip to begin with. This is the first Bangkok gay-oriented trip for me ever.  I am coming back in June 2025 so will save some of the bars / onsens experience to that part of the trip. This trip is mostly focused towards gay massage experience - variety of it.  I am venturing out to off beaten paths shops - reviewed / non-reviewed shops. 
[B]First, some burning Q&A about massage shops in Bangkok that I answered during my trip[/B]
Q: How does one broadly classify gay massage experience in Bangkok?  
A: All stores involve to some degree of sexual activities. The massage shops can be broadly classified as follow: Pricing (Low to High), and Activities included (Soft only, Soft but hard could be included, or Mandated Hard)
 
Q: About pricing. Why would anyone go to high end stores (1500B+) if one can get the same pleasure from stores charging fraction of the price?
A: Facilities at higher end shop feels a lot more comfortable in terms of cleanliness, private bathroom - even a bathtub with full service included.  However, what is often not talked about here is the quality of the boys.  Boys at lower end shop is doing it for the money at whatever bare minimum.  I noticed that they are more mechanical (you can see in my review below).  Higher end shop boys seems to be enjoying their job because of their pay - much more likely to go above and beyond what is required.  They are less subject to revolving doors phenomena that the shop just hire whoever is available.  Guys at higher end shop, especially in non-freelance model, takes pride on what they do and bank of repeat business. 
 
Q: About activities. Why would anyone go to soft shop / hard optional shop if one can go to shops where hard activity is guaranteed?
A: This is the nuanced that I also had to appreciate. Hard shops which tend to have mandated higher tips - will deliver exactly that. A hard activity (either T/B).  I found that in these shops, by nature, the service do feel more mechanical.  The boys already have earned his/her tips as long as he does the activity. In a softer shop, the boys exercise discretion on what activitiy to deliver to earn his tips. I found that kissing/affection factor is higher in softer shop versus hard oriented shops. I guess you cannot win them all! 
 
Q: What is the best predictor whether the masseure will kiss ?
A: Their sexual orientation is likely the best predictor. Without fail, all the masseur who is gay will kiss a lot more willingly. A top / straight masseur will not kiss. How do you find out their sexual orientation then?  The massage review group on X disclose their orientation or sometimes the shop does too, and you may ask the shop directly when booking. 
 
Q: Negotiation during soft shop session
A: This is to be expected when stated minimum tips is 200B or some other nominal amount.  The boys can/do exercise discretion and will offer extra service. If the boy does not speak English at all, it is possible to use the translate app and be clear on what you are asking in the beginning (B2B, handjob, etc). 
 
In the next post, I will go into more depth on the six shops that I frequented during my trip.  [B]To be continued[/B]. 
 
 

First of all: Thanks to veteran members here @vinapu, @macaroni21, @bkkmfj2648, @reader that inspire this trip to begin with. This is the first Bangkok gay-oriented trip for me ever.  I am coming back in June 2025 so will save some of the bars / onsens experience to that part of the trip. This trip is mostly focused towards gay massage experience - variety of it.  I am venturing out to off beaten paths shops - reviewed / non-reviewed shops. 
[B]First, some burning Q&A about massage shops in Bangkok that I answered during my trip[/B]
Q: How does one broadly classify gay massage experience in Bangkok?  
A: All stores involve to some degree of sexual activities. The massage shops can be broadly classified as follow: Pricing (Low to High), and Activities included (Soft only, Soft but hard could be included, or Mandated Hard)
 
Q: About pricing. Why would anyone go to high end stores (1500B+) if one can get the same pleasure from stores charging fraction of the price?
A: Facilities at higher end shop feels a lot more comfortable in terms of cleanliness, private bathroom - even a bathtub with full service included.  However, what is often not talked about here is the quality of the boys.  Boys at lower end shop is doing it for the money at whatever bare minimum.  I noticed that they are more mechanical (you can see in my review below).  Higher end shop boys seems to be enjoying their job because of their pay - much more likely to go above and beyond what is required.  They are less subject to revolving doors phenomena that the shop just hire whoever is available.  Guys at higher end shop, especially in non-freelance model, takes pride on what they do and bank of repeat business. 
 
Q: About activities. Why would anyone go to soft shop / hard optional shop if one can go to shops where hard activity is guaranteed?
A: This is the nuanced that I also had to appreciate. Hard shops which tend to have mandated higher tips - will deliver exactly that. A hard activity (either T/B).  I found that in these shops, by nature, the service do feel more mechanical.  The boys already have earned his/her tips as long as he does the activity. In a softer shop, the boys exercise discretion on what activitiy to deliver to earn his tips. I found that kissing/affection factor is higher in softer shop versus hard oriented shops. I guess you cannot win them all! 
 
Q: What is the best predictor whether the masseure will kiss ?
A: Their sexual orientation is likely the best predictor. Without fail, all the masseur who is gay will kiss a lot more willingly. A top / straight masseur will not kiss. How do you find out their sexual orientation then?  The massage review group on X disclose their orientation or sometimes the shop does too, and you may ask the shop directly when booking. 
 
Q: Negotiation during soft shop session
A: This is to be expected when stated minimum tips is 200B or some other nominal amount.  The boys can/do exercise discretion and will offer extra service. If the boy does not speak English at all, it is possible to use the translate app and be clear on what you are asking in the beginning (B2B, handjob, etc). 
 
In the next post, I will go into more depth on the six shops that I frequented during my trip.  [B]To be continued[/B]. 
 
 

First of all: Thanks to veteran members here @vinapu, @macaroni21, @bkkmfj2648, @reader that inspire this trip to begin with. This is the first Bangkok gay-oriented trip for me ever.  I am coming back in June 2025 so will save some of the bars / onsens experience to that part of the trip. This trip is mostly focused towards gay massage experience - variety of it.  I am venturing out to off beaten paths shops - reviewed / non-reviewed shops. 
[B]First, some burning Q&A about massage shops in Bangkok that I answered during my trip[/B]
Q: How does one broadly classify gay massage experience in Bangkok?  
A: All stores involve to some degree of sexual activities. The massage shops can be broadly classified as follow: Pricing (Low to High), and Activities included (Soft only, Soft but hard could be included, or Mandated Hard)
 
Q: About pricing. Why would anyone go to high end stores (1500B+) if one can get the same pleasure from stores charging fraction of the price?
A: Facilities at higher end shop feels a lot more comfortable in terms of cleanliness, private bathroom - even a bathtub with full service included.  However, what is often not talked about here is the quality of the boys.  Boys at lower end shop is doing it for the money at whatever bare minimum.  I noticed that they are more mechanical (you can see in my review below).  Higher end shop boys seems to be enjoying their job because of their pay - much more likely to go above and beyond what is required.  They are less subject to revolving doors phenomena that the shop just hire whoever is available.  Guys at higher end shop, especially in non-freelance model, takes pride on what they do and bank of repeat business. 
 
Q: About activities. Why would anyone go to soft shop / hard optional shop if one can go to shops where hard activity is guaranteed?
A: This is the nuanced that I also had to appreciate. Hard shops which tend to have mandated higher tips - will deliver exactly that. A hard activity (either T/B).  I found that in these shops, by nature, the service do feel more mechanical.  The boys already have earned his/her tips as long as he does the activity. In a softer shop, the boys exercise discretion on what activitiy to deliver to earn his tips. I found that kissing/affection factor is higher in softer shop versus hard oriented shops. I guess you cannot win them all! 
 
Q: What is the best predictor whether the masseure will kiss ?
A: Their sexual orientation is likely the best predictor. Without fail, all the masseur who is gay will kiss a lot more willingly. A top / straight masseur will not kiss. How do you find out their sexual orientation then?  The massage review group on X disclose their orientation or sometimes the shop does too, and you may ask the shop directly when booking. 
 
Q: Negotiation during soft shop session
A: This is to be expected when stated minimum tips is 200B or some other nominal amount.  The boys can/do exercise discretion and will offer extra service. If the boy does not speak English at all, it is possible to use the translate app and be clear on what you are asking in the beginning (B2B, handjob, etc). 
 
In the next post, I will go into more depth on the six shops that I frequented during my trip.  [B]To be continued[/B]. 
 
 

First of all: Thanks to veteran members here @vinapu, @macaroni21, @bkkmfj2648, @reader that inspire this trip to begin with. This is the first Bangkok gay-oriented trip for me ever.  I am coming back in June 2025 so will save some of the bars / onsens experience to that part of the trip. This trip is mostly focused towards gay massage experience - variety of it.  I am venturing out to off beaten paths shops - reviewed / non-reviewed shops. 
[B]First, some burning Q&A about massage shops in Bangkok that I answered during my trip[/B]
Q: How does one broadly classify gay massage experience in Bangkok?  
A: All stores involve to some degree of sexual activities. The massage shops can be broadly classified as follow: Pricing (Low to High), and Activities included (Soft only, Soft but hard could be included, or Mandated Hard)
 
Q: About pricing. Why would anyone go to high end stores (1500B+) if one can get the same pleasure from stores charging fraction of the price?
A: Facilities at higher end shop feels a lot more comfortable in terms of cleanliness, private bathroom - even a bathtub with full service included.  However, what is often not talked about here is the quality of the boys.  Boys at lower end shop is doing it for the money at whatever bare minimum.  I noticed that they are more mechanical (you can see in my review below).  Higher end shop boys seems to be enjoying their job because of their pay - much more likely to go above and beyond what is required.  They are less subject to revolving doors phenomena that the shop just hire whoever is available.  Guys at higher end shop, especially in non-freelance model, takes pride on what they do and bank of repeat business. 
 
Q: About activities. Why would anyone go to soft shop / hard optional shop if one can go to shops where hard activity is guaranteed?
A: This is the nuanced that I also had to appreciate. Hard shops which tend to have mandated higher tips - will deliver exactly that. A hard activity (either T/B).  I found that in these shops, by nature, the service do feel more mechanical.  The boys already have earned his/her tips as long as he does the activity. In a softer shop, the boys exercise discretion on what activitiy to deliver to earn his tips. I found that kissing/affection factor is higher in softer shop versus hard oriented shops. I guess you cannot win them all! 
 
Q: What is the best predictor whether the masseure will kiss ?
A: Their sexual orientation is likely the best predictor. Without fail, all the masseur who is gay will kiss a lot more willingly. A top / straight masseur will not kiss. How do you find out their sexual orientation then?  The massage review group on X disclose their orientation or sometimes the shop does too, and you may ask the shop directly when booking. 
 
Q: Negotiation during soft shop session
A: This is to be expected when stated minimum tips is 200B or some other nominal amount.  The boys can/do exercise discretion and will offer extra service. If the boy does not speak English at all, it is possible to use the translate app and be clear on what you are asking in the beginning (B2B, handjob, etc). 
 
In the next post, I will go into more depth on the six shops that I frequented during my trip.  [B]To be continued[/B]. 
 
 

First of all: Thanks to veteran members here @vinapu, @macaroni21, @bkkmfj2648, @reader that inspire this trip to begin with. This is the first Bangkok gay-oriented trip for me ever.  I am coming back in June 2025 so will save some of the bars / onsens experience to that part of the trip. This trip is mostly focused towards gay massage experience - variety of it.  I am venturing out to off beaten paths shops - reviewed / non-reviewed shops. 
[B]First, some burning Q&A about massage shops in Bangkok that I answered during my trip[/B]
Q: How does one broadly classify gay massage experience in Bangkok?  
A: All stores involve to some degree of sexual activities. The massage shops can be broadly classified as follow: Pricing (Low to High), and Activities included (Soft only, Soft but hard could be included, or Mandated Hard)
 
Q: About pricing. Why would anyone go to high end stores (1500B+) if one can get the same pleasure from stores charging fraction of the price?
A: Facilities at higher end shop feels a lot more comfortable in terms of cleanliness, private bathroom - even a bathtub with full service included.  However, what is often not talked about here is the quality of the boys.  Boys at lower end shop is doing it for the money at whatever bare minimum.  I noticed that they are more mechanical (you can see in my review below).  Higher end shop boys seems to be enjoying their job because of their pay - much more likely to go above and beyond what is required.  They are less subject to revolving doors phenomena that the shop just hire whoever is available.  Guys at higher end shop, especially in non-freelance model, takes pride on what they do and bank of repeat business. 
 
Q: About activities. Why would anyone go to soft shop / hard optional shop if one can go to shops where hard activity is guaranteed?
A: This is the nuanced that I also had to appreciate. Hard shops which tend to have mandated higher tips - will deliver exactly that. A hard activity (either T/B).  I found that in these shops, by nature, the service do feel more mechanical.  The boys already have earned his/her tips as long as he does the activity. In a softer shop, the boys exercise discretion on what activitiy to deliver to earn his tips. I found that kissing/affection factor is higher in softer shop versus hard oriented shops. I guess you cannot win them all! 
 
Q: What is the best predictor whether the masseure will kiss ?
A: Their sexual orientation is likely the best predictor. Without fail, all the masseur who is gay will kiss a lot more willingly. A top / straight masseur will not kiss. How do you find out their sexual orientation then?  The massage review group on X disclose their orientation or sometimes the shop does too, and you may ask the shop directly when booking. 
 
Q: Negotiation during soft shop session
A: This is to be expected when stated minimum tips is 200B or some other nominal amount.  The boys can/do exercise discretion and will offer extra service. If the boy does not speak English at all, it is possible to use the translate app and be clear on what you are asking in the beginning (B2B, handjob, etc). 
 
In the next post, I will go into more depth on the six shops that I frequented during my trip.  [B]To be continued[/B]. 
 
 

First of all: Thanks to veteran members here @vinapu, @macaroni21, @bkkmfj2648, @reader that inspire this trip to begin with. This is the first Bangkok gay-oriented trip for me ever.  I am coming back in June 2025 so will save some of the bars / onsens experience to that part of the trip. This trip is mostly focused towards gay massage experience - variety of it.  I am venturing out to off beaten paths shops - reviewed / non-reviewed shops. 
[B]First, some burning Q&A about massage shops in Bangkok that I answered during my trip[/B]
Q: How does one broadly classify gay massage experience in Bangkok?  
A: All stores involve to some degree of sexual activities. The massage shops can be broadly classified as follow: Pricing (Low to High), and Activities included (Soft only, Soft but hard could be included, or Mandated Hard)
 
Q: About pricing. Why would anyone go to high end stores (1500B+) if one can get the same pleasure from stores charging fraction of the price?
A: Facilities at higher end shop feels a lot more comfortable in terms of cleanliness, private bathroom - even a bathtub with full service included.  However, what is often not talked about here is the quality of the boys.  Boys at lower end shop is doing it for the money at whatever bare minimum.  I noticed that they are more mechanical (you can see in my review below).  Higher end shop boys seems to be enjoying their job because of their pay - much more likely to go above and beyond what is required.  They are less subject to revolving doors phenomena that the shop just hire whoever is available.  Guys at higher end shop, especially in non-freelance model, takes pride on what they do and bank of repeat business. 
 
Q: About activities. Why would anyone go to soft shop / hard optional shop if one can go to shops where hard activity is guaranteed?
A: This is the nuanced that I also had to appreciate. Hard shops which tend to have mandated higher tips - will deliver exactly that. A hard activity (either T/B).  I found that in these shops, by nature, the service do feel more mechanical.  The boys already have earned his/her tips as long as he does the activity. In a softer shop, the boys exercise discretion on what activitiy to deliver to earn his tips. I found that kissing/affection factor is higher in softer shop versus hard oriented shops. I guess you cannot win them all! 
 
Q: What is the best predictor whether the masseure will kiss ?
A: Their sexual orientation is likely the best predictor. Without fail, all the masseur who is gay will kiss a lot more willingly. A top / straight masseur will not kiss. How do you find out their sexual orientation then?  The massage review group on X disclose their orientation or sometimes the shop does too, and you may ask the shop directly when booking. 
 
Q: Negotiation during soft shop session
A: This is to be expected when stated minimum tips is 200B or some other nominal amount.  The boys can/do exercise discretion and will offer extra service. If the boy does not speak English at all, it is possible to use the translate app and be clear on what you are asking in the beginning (B2B, handjob, etc). 
 
In the next post, I will go into more depth on the six shops that I frequented during my trip.  [B]To be continued[/B]. 
 
 

First of all: Thanks to veteran members here @vinapu, @macaroni21, @bkkmfj2648, @reader that inspire this trip to begin with. This is the first Bangkok gay-oriented trip for me ever.  I am coming back in June 2025 so will save some of the bars / onsens experience to that part of the trip. This trip is mostly focused towards gay massage experience - variety of it.  I am venturing out to off beaten paths shops - reviewed / non-reviewed shops. 
[B]First, some burning Q&A about massage shops in Bangkok that I answered during my trip[/B]
Q: How does one broadly classify gay massage experience in Bangkok?  
A: All stores involve to some degree of sexual activities. The massage shops can be broadly classified as follow: Pricing (Low to High), and Activities included (Soft only, Soft but hard could be included, or Mandated Hard)
 
Q: About pricing. Why would anyone go to high end stores (1500B+) if one can get the same pleasure from stores charging fraction of the price?
A: Facilities at higher end shop feels a lot more comfortable in terms of cleanliness, private bathroom - even a bathtub with full service included.  However, what is often not talked about here is the quality of the boys.  Boys at lower end shop is doing it for the money at whatever bare minimum.  I noticed that they are more mechanical (you can see in my review below).  Higher end shop boys seems to be enjoying their job because of their pay - much more likely to go above and beyond what is required.  They are less subject to revolving doors phenomena that the shop just hire whoever is available.  Guys at higher end shop, especially in non-freelance model, takes pride on what they do and bank of repeat business. 
 
Q: About activities. Why would anyone go to soft shop / hard optional shop if one can go to shops where hard activity is guaranteed?
A: This is the nuanced that I also had to appreciate. Hard shops which tend to have mandated higher tips - will deliver exactly that. A hard activity (either T/B).  I found that in these shops, by nature, the service do feel more mechanical.  The boys already have earned his/her tips as long as he does the activity. In a softer shop, the boys exercise discretion on what activitiy to deliver to earn his tips. I found that kissing/affection factor is higher in softer shop versus hard oriented shops. I guess you cannot win them all! 
 
Q: What is the best predictor whether the masseure will kiss ?
A: Their sexual orientation is likely the best predictor. Without fail, all the masseur who is gay will kiss a lot more willingly. A top / straight masseur will not kiss. How do you find out their sexual orientation then?  The massage review group on X disclose their orientation or sometimes the shop does too, and you may ask the shop directly when booking. 
 
Q: Negotiation during soft shop session
A: This is to be expected when stated minimum tips is 200B or some other nominal amount.  The boys can/do exercise discretion and will offer extra service. If the boy does not speak English at all, it is possible to use the translate app and be clear on what you are asking in the beginning (B2B, handjob, etc). 
 
In the next post, I will go into more depth on the six shops that I frequented during my trip.  [B]To be continued[/B]. 
 
 

First of all: Thanks to veteran members here @vinapu, @macaroni21, @bkkmfj2648, @reader that inspire this trip to begin with. This is the first Bangkok gay-oriented trip for me ever.  I am coming back in June 2025 so will save some of the bars / onsens experience to that part of the trip. This trip is mostly focused towards gay massage experience - variety of it.  I am venturing out to off beaten paths shops - reviewed / non-reviewed shops. 
[B]First, some burning Q&A about massage shops in Bangkok that I answered during my trip[/B]
Q: How does one broadly classify gay massage experience in Bangkok?  
A: All stores involve to some degree of sexual activities. The massage shops can be broadly classified as follow: Pricing (Low to High), and Activities included (Soft only, Soft but hard could be included, or Mandated Hard)
 
Q: About pricing. Why would anyone go to high end stores (1500B+) if one can get the same pleasure from stores charging fraction of the price?
A: Facilities at higher end shop feels a lot more comfortable in terms of cleanliness, private bathroom - even a bathtub with full service included.  However, what is often not talked about here is the quality of the boys.  Boys at lower end shop is doing it for the money at whatever bare minimum.  I noticed that they are more mechanical (you can see in my review below).  Higher end shop boys seems to be enjoying their job because of their pay - much more likely to go above and beyond what is required.  They are less subject to revolving doors phenomena that the shop just hire whoever is available.  Guys at higher end shop, especially in non-freelance model, takes pride on what they do and bank of repeat business. 
 
Q: About activities. Why would anyone go to soft shop / hard optional shop if one can go to shops where hard activity is guaranteed?
A: This is the nuanced that I also had to appreciate. Hard shops which tend to have mandated higher tips - will deliver exactly that. A hard activity (either T/B).  I found that in these shops, by nature, the service do feel more mechanical.  The boys already have earned his/her tips as long as he does the activity. In a softer shop, the boys exercise discretion on what activitiy to deliver to earn his tips. I found that kissing/affection factor is higher in softer shop versus hard oriented shops. I guess you cannot win them all! 
 
Q: What is the best predictor whether the masseure will kiss ?
A: Their sexual orientation is likely the best predictor. Without fail, all the masseur who is gay will kiss a lot more willingly. A top / straight masseur will not kiss. How do you find out their sexual orientation then?  The massage review group on X disclose their orientation or sometimes the shop does too, and you may ask the shop directly when booking. 
 
Q: Negotiation during soft shop session
A: This is to be expected when stated minimum tips is 200B or some other nominal amount.  The boys can/do exercise discretion and will offer extra service. If the boy does not speak English at all, it is possible to use the translate app and be clear on what you are asking in the beginning (B2B, handjob, etc). 
 
In the next post, I will go into more depth on the six shops that I frequented during my trip.  [B]To be continued[/B]. 
 
 

First of all: Thanks to veteran members here @vinapu, @macaroni21, @bkkmfj2648, @reader that inspire this trip to begin with. This is the first Bangkok gay-oriented trip for me ever.  I am coming back in June 2025 so will save some of the bars / onsens experience to that part of the trip. This trip is mostly focused towards gay massage experience - variety of it.  I am venturing out to off beaten paths shops - reviewed / non-reviewed shops. 
[B]First, some burning Q&A about massage shops in Bangkok that I answered during my trip[/B]
Q: How does one broadly classify gay massage experience in Bangkok?  
A: All stores involve to some degree of sexual activities. The massage shops can be broadly classified as follow: Pricing (Low to High), and Activities included (Soft only, Soft but hard could be included, or Mandated Hard)
 
Q: About pricing. Why would anyone go to high end stores (1500B+) if one can get the same pleasure from stores charging fraction of the price?
A: Facilities at higher end shop feels a lot more comfortable in terms of cleanliness, private bathroom - even a bathtub with full service included.  However, what is often not talked about here is the quality of the boys.  Boys at lower end shop is doing it for the money at whatever bare minimum.  I noticed that they are more mechanical (you can see in my review below).  Higher end shop boys seems to be enjoying their job because of their pay - much more likely to go above and beyond what is required.  They are less subject to revolving doors phenomena that the shop just hire whoever is available.  Guys at higher end shop, especially in non-freelance model, takes pride on what they do and bank of repeat business. 
 
Q: About activities. Why would anyone go to soft shop / hard optional shop if one can go to shops where hard activity is guaranteed?
A: This is the nuanced that I also had to appreciate. Hard shops which tend to have mandated higher tips - will deliver exactly that. A hard activity (either T/B).  I found that in these shops, by nature, the service do feel more mechanical.  The boys already have earned his/her tips as long as he does the activity. In a softer shop, the boys exercise discretion on what activitiy to deliver to earn his tips. I found that kissing/affection factor is higher in softer shop versus hard oriented shops. I guess you cannot win them all! 
 
Q: What is the best predictor whether the masseure will kiss ?
A: Their sexual orientation is likely the best predictor. Without fail, all the masseur who is gay will kiss a lot more willingly. A top / straight masseur will not kiss. How do you find out their sexual orientation then?  The massage review group on X disclose their orientation or sometimes the shop does too, and you may ask the shop directly when booking. 
 
Q: Negotiation during soft shop session
A: This is to be expected when stated minimum tips is 200B or some other nominal amount.  The boys can/do exercise discretion and will offer extra service. If the boy does not speak English at all, it is possible to use the translate app and be clear on what you are asking in the beginning (B2B, handjob, etc). 
 
In the next post, I will go into more depth on the six shops that I frequented during my trip.  [B]To be continued[/B]. 
 
 

First of all: Thanks to veteran members here @vinapu, @macaroni21, @bkkmfj2648, @reader that inspire this trip to begin with. This is the first Bangkok gay-oriented trip for me ever.  I am coming back in June 2025 so will save some of the bars / onsens experience to that part of the trip. This trip is mostly focused towards gay massage experience - variety of it.  I am venturing out to off beaten paths shops - reviewed / non-reviewed shops. 
[B]First, some burning Q&A about massage shops in Bangkok that I answered during my trip[/B]
Q: How does one broadly classify gay massage experience in Bangkok?  
A: All stores involve to some degree of sexual activities. The massage shops can be broadly classified as follow: Pricing (Low to High), and Activities included (Soft only, Soft but hard could be included, or Mandated Hard)
 
Q: About pricing. Why would anyone go to high end stores (1500B+) if one can get the same pleasure from stores charging fraction of the price?
A: Facilities at higher end shop feels a lot more comfortable in terms of cleanliness, private bathroom - even a bathtub with full service included.  However, what is often not talked about here is the quality of the boys.  Boys at lower end shop is doing it for the money at whatever bare minimum.  I noticed that they are more mechanical (you can see in my review below).  Higher end shop boys seems to be enjoying their job because of their pay - much more likely to go above and beyond what is required.  They are less subject to revolving doors phenomena that the shop just hire whoever is available.  Guys at higher end shop, especially in non-freelance model, takes pride on what they do and bank of repeat business. 
 
Q: About activities. Why would anyone go to soft shop / hard optional shop if one can go to shops where hard activity is guaranteed?
A: This is the nuanced that I also had to appreciate. Hard shops which tend to have mandated higher tips - will deliver exactly that. A hard activity (either T/B).  I found that in these shops, by nature, the service do feel more mechanical.  The boys already have earned his/her tips as long as he does the activity. In a softer shop, the boys exercise discretion on what activitiy to deliver to earn his tips. I found that kissing/affection factor is higher in softer shop versus hard oriented shops. I guess you cannot win them all! 
 
Q: What is the best predictor whether the masseure will kiss ?
A: Their sexual orientation is likely the best predictor. Without fail, all the masseur who is gay will kiss a lot more willingly. A top / straight masseur will not kiss. How do you find out their sexual orientation then?  The massage review group on X disclose their orientation or sometimes the shop does too, and you may ask the shop directly when booking. 
 
Q: Negotiation during soft shop session
A: This is to be expected when stated minimum tips is 200B or some other nominal amount.  The boys can/do exercise discretion and will offer extra service. If the boy does not speak English at all, it is possible to use the translate app and be clear on what you are asking in the beginning (B2B, handjob, etc). 
 
In the next post, I will go into more depth on the six shops that I frequented during my trip.  [B]To be continued[/B]. 
 
 

First of all: Thanks to veteran members here @vinapu, @macaroni21, @bkkmfj2648, @reader that inspire this trip to begin with. This is the first Bangkok gay-oriented trip for me ever.  I am coming back in June 2025 so will save some of the bars / onsens experience to that part of the trip. This trip is mostly focused towards gay massage experience - variety of it.  I am venturing out to off beaten paths shops - reviewed / non-reviewed shops. 
[B]First, some burning Q&A about massage shops in Bangkok that I answered during my trip[/B]
Q: How does one broadly classify gay massage experience in Bangkok?  
A: All stores involve to some degree of sexual activities. The massage shops can be broadly classified as follow: Pricing (Low to High), and Activities included (Soft only, Soft but hard could be included, or Mandated Hard)
 
Q: About pricing. Why would anyone go to high end stores (1500B+) if one can get the same pleasure from stores charging fraction of the price?
A: Facilities at higher end shop feels a lot more comfortable in terms of cleanliness, private bathroom - even a bathtub with full service included.  However, what is often not talked about here is the quality of the boys.  Boys at lower end shop is doing it for the money at whatever bare minimum.  I noticed that they are more mechanical (you can see in my review below).  Higher end shop boys seems to be enjoying their job because of their pay - much more likely to go above and beyond what is required.  They are less subject to revolving doors phenomena that the shop just hire whoever is available.  Guys at higher end shop, especially in non-freelance model, takes pride on what they do and bank of repeat business. 
 
Q: About activities. Why would anyone go to soft shop / hard optional shop if one can go to shops where hard activity is guaranteed?
A: This is the nuanced that I also had to appreciate. Hard shops which tend to have mandated higher tips - will deliver exactly that. A hard activity (either T/B).  I found that in these shops, by nature, the service do feel more mechanical.  The boys already have earned his/her tips as long as he does the activity. In a softer shop, the boys exercise discretion on what activitiy to deliver to earn his tips. I found that kissing/affection factor is higher in softer shop versus hard oriented shops. I guess you cannot win them all! 
 
Q: What is the best predictor whether the masseure will kiss ?
A: Their sexual orientation is likely the best predictor. Without fail, all the masseur who is gay will kiss a lot more willingly. A top / straight masseur will not kiss. How do you find out their sexual orientation then?  The massage review group on X disclose their orientation or sometimes the shop does too, and you may ask the shop directly when booking. 
 
Q: Negotiation during soft shop session
A: This is to be expected when stated minimum tips is 200B or some other nominal amount.  The boys can/do exercise discretion and will offer extra service. If the boy does not speak English at all, it is possible to use the translate app and be clear on what you are asking in the beginning (B2B, handjob, etc). 
 
In the next post, I will go into more depth on the six shops that I frequented during my trip.  [B]To be continued[/B]. 
 
 

First of all: Thanks to veteran members here @vinapu, @macaroni21, @bkkmfj2648, @reader that inspire this trip to begin with. This is the first Bangkok gay-oriented trip for me ever.  I am coming back in June 2025 so will save some of the bars / onsens experience to that part of the trip. This trip is mostly focused towards gay massage experience - variety of it.  I am venturing out to off beaten paths shops - reviewed / non-reviewed shops. 
[B]First, some burning Q&A about massage shops in Bangkok that I answered during my trip[/B]
Q: How does one broadly classify gay massage experience in Bangkok?  
A: All stores involve to some degree of sexual activities. The massage shops can be broadly classified as follow: Pricing (Low to High), and Activities included (Soft only, Soft but hard could be included, or Mandated Hard)
 
Q: About pricing. Why would anyone go to high end stores (1500B+) if one can get the same pleasure from stores charging fraction of the price?
A: Facilities at higher end shop feels a lot more comfortable in terms of cleanliness, private bathroom - even a bathtub with full service included.  However, what is often not talked about here is the quality of the boys.  Boys at lower end shop is doing it for the money at whatever bare minimum.  I noticed that they are more mechanical (you can see in my review below).  Higher end shop boys seems to be enjoying their job because of their pay - much more likely to go above and beyond what is required.  They are less subject to revolving doors phenomena that the shop just hire whoever is available.  Guys at higher end shop, especially in non-freelance model, takes pride on what they do and bank of repeat business. 
 
Q: About activities. Why would anyone go to soft shop / hard optional shop if one can go to shops where hard activity is guaranteed?
A: This is the nuanced that I also had to appreciate. Hard shops which tend to have mandated higher tips - will deliver exactly that. A hard activity (either T/B).  I found that in these shops, by nature, the service do feel more mechanical.  The boys already have earned his/her tips as long as he does the activity. In a softer shop, the boys exercise discretion on what activitiy to deliver to earn his tips. I found that kissing/affection factor is higher in softer shop versus hard oriented shops. I guess you cannot win them all! 
 
Q: What is the best predictor whether the masseure will kiss ?
A: Their sexual orientation is likely the best predictor. Without fail, all the masseur who is gay will kiss a lot more willingly. A top / straight masseur will not kiss. How do you find out their sexual orientation then?  The massage review group on X disclose their orientation or sometimes the shop does too, and you may ask the shop directly when booking. 
 
Q: Negotiation during soft shop session
A: This is to be expected when stated minimum tips is 200B or some other nominal amount.  The boys can/do exercise discretion and will offer extra service. If the boy does not speak English at all, it is possible to use the translate app and be clear on what you are asking in the beginning (B2B, handjob, etc). 
 
In the next post, I will go into more depth on the six shops that I frequented during my trip.  [B]To be continued[/B]. 
 
 

First of all: Thanks to veteran members here @vinapu, @macaroni21, @bkkmfj2648, @reader that inspire this trip to begin with. This is the first Bangkok gay-oriented trip for me ever.  I am coming back in June 2025 so will save some of the bars / onsens experience to that part of the trip. This trip is mostly focused towards gay massage experience - variety of it.  I am venturing out to off beaten paths shops - reviewed / non-reviewed shops. 
[B]First, some burning Q&A about massage shops in Bangkok that I answered during my trip[/B]
Q: How does one broadly classify gay massage experience in Bangkok?  
A: All stores involve to some degree of sexual activities. The massage shops can be broadly classified as follow: Pricing (Low to High), and Activities included (Soft only, Soft but hard could be included, or Mandated Hard)
 
Q: About pricing. Why would anyone go to high end stores (1500B+) if one can get the same pleasure from stores charging fraction of the price?
A: Facilities at higher end shop feels a lot more comfortable in terms of cleanliness, private bathroom - even a bathtub with full service included.  However, what is often not talked about here is the quality of the boys.  Boys at lower end shop is doing it for the money at whatever bare minimum.  I noticed that they are more mechanical (you can see in my review below).  Higher end shop boys seems to be enjoying their job because of their pay - much more likely to go above and beyond what is required.  They are less subject to revolving doors phenomena that the shop just hire whoever is available.  Guys at higher end shop, especially in non-freelance model, takes pride on what they do and bank of repeat business. 
 
Q: About activities. Why would anyone go to soft shop / hard optional shop if one can go to shops where hard activity is guaranteed?
A: This is the nuanced that I also had to appreciate. Hard shops which tend to have mandated higher tips - will deliver exactly that. A hard activity (either T/B).  I found that in these shops, by nature, the service do feel more mechanical.  The boys already have earned his/her tips as long as he does the activity. In a softer shop, the boys exercise discretion on what activitiy to deliver to earn his tips. I found that kissing/affection factor is higher in softer shop versus hard oriented shops. I guess you cannot win them all! 
 
Q: What is the best predictor whether the masseure will kiss ?
A: Their sexual orientation is likely the best predictor. Without fail, all the masseur who is gay will kiss a lot more willingly. A top / straight masseur will not kiss. How do you find out their sexual orientation then?  The massage review group on X disclose their orientation or sometimes the shop does too, and you may ask the shop directly when booking. 
 
Q: Negotiation during soft shop session
A: This is to be expected when stated minimum tips is 200B or some other nominal amount.  The boys can/do exercise discretion and will offer extra service. If the boy does not speak English at all, it is possible to use the translate app and be clear on what you are asking in the beginning (B2B, handjob, etc). 
 
In the next post, I will go into more depth on the six shops that I frequented during my trip.  [B]To be continued[/B]. 
 
 

First of all: Thanks to veteran members here @vinapu, @macaroni21, @bkkmfj2648, @reader that inspire this trip to begin with. This is the first Bangkok gay-oriented trip for me ever.  I am coming back in June 2025 so will save some of the bars / onsens experience to that part of the trip. This trip is mostly focused towards gay massage experience - variety of it.  I am venturing out to off beaten paths shops - reviewed / non-reviewed shops. 
[B]First, some burning Q&A about massage shops in Bangkok that I answered during my trip[/B]
Q: How does one broadly classify gay massage experience in Bangkok?  
A: All stores involve to some degree of sexual activities. The massage shops can be broadly classified as follow: Pricing (Low to High), and Activities included (Soft only, Soft but hard could be included, or Mandated Hard)
 
Q: About pricing. Why would anyone go to high end stores (1500B+) if one can get the same pleasure from stores charging fraction of the price?
A: Facilities at higher end shop feels a lot more comfortable in terms of cleanliness, private bathroom - even a bathtub with full service included.  However, what is often not talked about here is the quality of the boys.  Boys at lower end shop is doing it for the money at whatever bare minimum.  I noticed that they are more mechanical (you can see in my review below).  Higher end shop boys seems to be enjoying their job because of their pay - much more likely to go above and beyond what is required.  They are less subject to revolving doors phenomena that the shop just hire whoever is available.  Guys at higher end shop, especially in non-freelance model, takes pride on what they do and bank of repeat business. 
 
Q: About activities. Why would anyone go to soft shop / hard optional shop if one can go to shops where hard activity is guaranteed?
A: This is the nuanced that I also had to appreciate. Hard shops which tend to have mandated higher tips - will deliver exactly that. A hard activity (either T/B).  I found that in these shops, by nature, the service do feel more mechanical.  The boys already have earned his/her tips as long as he does the activity. In a softer shop, the boys exercise discretion on what activitiy to deliver to earn his tips. I found that kissing/affection factor is higher in softer shop versus hard oriented shops. I guess you cannot win them all! 
 
Q: What is the best predictor whether the masseure will kiss ?
A: Their sexual orientation is likely the best predictor. Without fail, all the masseur who is gay will kiss a lot more willingly. A top / straight masseur will not kiss. How do you find out their sexual orientation then?  The massage review group on X disclose their orientation or sometimes the shop does too, and you may ask the shop directly when booking. 
 
Q: Negotiation during soft shop session
A: This is to be expected when stated minimum tips is 200B or some other nominal amount.  The boys can/do exercise discretion and will offer extra service. If the boy does not speak English at all, it is possible to use the translate app and be clear on what you are asking in the beginning (B2B, handjob, etc). 
 
In the next post, I will go into more depth on the six shops that I frequented during my trip.  [B]To be continued[/B].