Self Deportation

[Novarunner]

My research indicates that I can invest R$1,000,000 which is less than $200,000 (or at least it is for the time being until the current administration finds a new and improved way to drive the economy off a cliff) in Brazil and obtain permanent residency.  Could I buy an Airbnb as an investment in Ipanema, hire someone to manage it in the near-term while I sort out what exactly the terms of my divorce with Merica are going to be and then, um, drink caipirinhas and stare at the ocean and exchange bodily fluids with nominally 28 year olds that have a toned swimmer’s body and a mocha complexion until the sun explodes or I die, whichever comes first?

If you are curious, I am in my early 40’s but have skills that can be employed remotely.  I am also very comfortable owning real estate as an investment.

Has anybody out there done this?  It seems almost too easy.

[floridarob]

I just read this after replying to your message....

So yeah, that's it...however, I wouldn't describe doing anything in these countries as "easy", with the bureaucracy.   

[Primeone385]

I thought I was the only one that wanted to move and just relax and be on the beach.

[Novarunner]

I don’t do much cooking and I almost never bake but last week I had cause to buy chocolate chips for someone else that does do that sort of thing.  The bag of chocolate chips was almost $15 USD.  I’m not actually sure how much chocolate chips are supposed to cost but that certainly feels like too much.

Yes, I’ve planted a cocoa [probably a tree but I’m not really sure] on my rooftop deck while I’m waiting for the widget and cog factory down the street to be built so that I can get a job there but it doesn’t seem to being doing so well.

My life in fake-America was good but it is time for a change.

[Xclay]

Sorry you are so very unhappy. But it is wise of you to move and see if you are happier elsewhere -- especially since you are pretty young!

My only suggestion is -- just to be sure before making the leap! -- first try living six months (two back to back 90 day stays) as a resident in your top Brazilian locale. (Of course if you have already done something like this, nevermind.) 

By the way, if you have not already, you might like to check out the forum here dedicated to politics, economics, and so forth:  https://www.gayguides.com/forum/5-the-beer-bar/  It can get interesting. Cocoa prices have indeed surged since 2022 and the poor harvests in Ghana and the Ivory Coast. And Investopedia.com says cocoa prices jumped up 30% in December 2024 alone. I hate that too.

Anyway, if you do move, good luck🤞 and keep us posted on how it goes.

[Novarunner]

Thanks for the kind words and point taken.  In a feeble attempt to make up for my posting indiscretion I will share my activities from yesterday which was a Sunday in São Paulo.

Two laps around Ibirapuera Park in the afternoon.

Dinner at Simbalae Bar & Burger on Rua Guaiçuí.  Simbalae is overpriced for what it is but I’ve been eating there occasionally for years now and I like the bartender and it’s what I happened to be in the mood for last night.  There are numerous other restaurants to eat at on this small street and the whole place always has a festive atmosphere.  Even if I can’t whole heartedly recommend Simbalae to all, I would recommend visiting this street when in São Paulo.

Arrived at Lagoa around 6:30 and met Rian from Minas Gerais.  He has a gorgeous pau with a lean toned body and is versatile.  If he wasn’t a smoker, he would be perfect.  Still, I left happy around 9:00 with plans to see him again possibly today.  The going rate at Lagoa these days seems to be 200.

@Xclay are you an expatriate of some sort?  De onde?

[Xclay]

Good exercise, good food, good drinks, and great sex! Wonderful to hear you had an excellent upbeat day in Sao Paulo.

Me? Along with visiting other countries, I spend a couple of months every winter and a couple of months every summer in various cities and towns in Brazil -- but two weeks maximum in any one place. I have to have variety -- in cities and in saunas.

In contrast, I have friends who have lived happily in Rio for a decade and have the same stable of studs year after year. Definitely not for me but good for them.

[floridarob]

5 hours ago, Novarunner said:

The going rate at Lagoa these days seems to be 200.

if you accept it....200 at my apt within a block of Lagoa, more fun and private....150 in Lagoa 🤷‍♂️

[Latbear4blk]

5 hours ago, floridarob said:

if you accept it....200 at my apt within a block of Lagoa, more fun and private....150 in Lagoa 🤷‍♂️

I agree. Same prices in Rio.

[Latbear4blk]

On 10/19/2025 at 6:20 PM, Novarunner said:

My research indicates that I can invest R$1,000,000 which is less than $200,000 (or at least it is for the time being until the current administration finds a new and improved way to drive the economy off a cliff) in Brazil and obtain permanent residency.  Could I buy an Airbnb as an investment in Ipanema, hire someone to manage it in the near-term while I sort out what exactly the terms of my divorce with Merica are going to be and then, um, drink caipirinhas and stare at the ocean and exchange bodily fluids with nominally 28 year olds that have a toned swimmer’s body and a mocha complexion until the sun explodes or I die, whichever comes first?

If you are curious, I am in my early 40’s but have skills that can be employed remotely.  I am also very comfortable owning real estate as an investment.

Has anybody out there done this?  It seems almost too easy.

I will be probably residing in Rio starting sometime on the second half of next year. Perhaps we will be neighbors! We will be able to share our findings more fluently!

[Axiom2020]

On 10/19/2025 at 7:24 PM, Xclay said:

Sorry you are so very unhappy. But it is wise of you to move and see if you are happier elsewhere -- especially since you are pretty young!

My only suggestion is -- just to be sure before making the leap! -- first try living six months (two back to back 90 day stays) as a resident in your top Brazilian locale. (Of course if you have already done something like this, nevermind.) 

By the way, if you have not already, you might like to check out the forum here dedicated to politics, economics, and so forth:  https://www.gayguides.com/forum/5-the-beer-bar/  It can get interesting. Cocoa prices have indeed surged since 2022 and the poor harvests in Ghana and the Ivory Coast. And Investopedia.com says cocoa prices jumped up 30% in December 2024 alone. I hate that too.

Anyway, if you do move, good luck🤞 and keep us posted on how it goes.

This is superb advice for one interested in moving and settling in another country as well as in a town or city of his native land!

[Primeone385]

Well since I live in Central California ( what I call it ) 15 minutes from Apple HQ. I have been looking for houses since the pandemic and can't find anything. I have been thinking about buying a investment property myself in Rio. Because of it being a destination a lot of people around the world want to go to. But I can't find a website like zillow. That I can look at stuff. Even then Still have to see if I could own one as a non citizen of Brazil. For a place to retire to in my older age. LOL. Unless I hit the lottery then sooner .

[Xclay]

Check out these websites (all needing the browser translator:

  VivaReal (vivareal.com.br)

  Zap Imóveis (zapimoveis.com.br)

  Imovelweb (imovelweb.com.br)

  OLX Imóveis (olx.com.br/imoveis)

  Quinto Andar (quintoandar.com.br)

  Chaves na Mão (chavesnamao.com.br)

[Xclay]

Yes — United States citizens can legally buy property in Brazil, including apartments, houses, land, and even commercial real estate. Apparently you can't buy rural property especially near the border, but I doubt you were looking for a farm way out in the country.

More details are summarized here:

https://chatgpt.com/share/68fcc67f-e714-8010-9fcd-e658f0c6c5f9

[hornyfrog]

On 10/19/2025 at 6:20 PM, Novarunner said:

My research indicates that I can invest R$1,000,000 which is less than $200,000 (or at least it is for the time being until the current administration finds a new and improved way to drive the economy off a cliff) in Brazil and obtain permanent residency.  Could I buy an Airbnb as an investment in Ipanema, hire someone to manage it in the near-term while I sort out what exactly the terms of my divorce with Merica are going to be and then, um, drink caipirinhas and stare at the ocean and exchange bodily fluids with nominally 28 year olds that have a toned swimmer’s body and a mocha complexion until the sun explodes or I die, whichever comes first?

If you are curious, I am in my early 40’s but have skills that can be employed remotely.  I am also very comfortable owning real estate as an investment.

Has anybody out there done this?  It seems almost too easy.

I moved to Rio on an investor visa. I bought an existing business (from a retiring local) and an apartment in Ipanema — each one was over the R$ 1 million threshold needed (R$ 700,000 in NE Brazil) for the investor visa — and I used the business to qualify for the investor visa. But I most definitely could’ve used the property purchase, it just needs to be structured as a business purchase (creating an LLC like structure in Brazil for yourself and that company making the property purchase that way, same way you would with a business). It’s definitely best to use a local knowledgeable lawyer in Brazil, because there are a lot of steps. If you need a referral, feel free to send me a private message.

More of my expat friends here have done either the retirement visa, the investor visa, or the marriage / family visa, and converted them later to permanent residency. There are a few others here I know who are here on digital nomad visas, but those are temporary (a year, renewable for 1 more), student visas or are here on work visas with international companies (none of these are permanent and immigration status has to be adjusted to stay after expiration). I know a couple of foreigners here on arts or sports visas, but those are rare and usually require documented lauded skills. 

I will also add that being in your 40s may sound young to do this, and for a retirement or investor visa it surely is, but most of the digital nomads and student visa recipients here are younger than that. So, it’s not completely out of the ordinary. One of the foreigners I know here on a retirement pension visa did it right before 50, another on an investor visa is about 50, too. 

 

[Latbear4blk]

5 hours ago, Xclay said:

Check out these websites (all needing the browser translator:

  VivaReal (vivareal.com.br)

  Zap Imóveis (zapimoveis.com.br)

  Imovelweb (imovelweb.com.br)

  OLX Imóveis (olx.com.br/imoveis)

  Quinto Andar (quintoandar.com.br)

  Chaves na Mão (chavesnamao.com.br)

Zap is my fav