Guys Familiar with Both Colombia and Brazil: Comparing Hiring in Bogotá/Medellin with SP/Rio

[Canadianbtmguy]

An avid Brazilophile, I have limited experience with Colombia. Yet, in a couple of weeks, I will find myself in Medellin for 4 days, followed by Bogotá for another 4. My time will be limited bc my unslutty husband will (atypically) be with me, the trip occasioned by his need for 4 more Hyatt nights (and thus we'll staying at the Hyatt Place in Bogotá, undecided in Medellin)

Enough boring background--my fear is that with my limited time (only parts of 8 days, basically daytimes while my husband hits the museums), I'm going to stagger around (figuratively) wasting a lot of time.

I've read all the Colombia posts from the last year, and it seems options for "beginners" in Colombia are somewhat limited. A first-timer to Brazil can be off the plane and at the sauna within the hour. It seems that options are much more diffuse for beginners In Medellin (Fercho's +57 (312) 2717925)  and Bogotá (a service reachable by Telegram, account: 3057512990; the St. Moritz/Gigolo Erotic House, and Teatron) These seem much less discussed in the Colombia forum than the saunas are in the Brazilian one, so I infer they are not as widely used as the saunas in Brazil.

I'm interested by whatever differences between the Colombia and Brazilian experience of hiring (and meeting, having sex with...)scorts/GPs, though I am (self-interestedly) most interested in discussions of differences that will help me to navigate my Colombian experience and find the Colombian(s) of my dreams😎

I admit I'm a little worried that after reviewing about 100 mileroticos ads I found only one I would be very excited to meet, (and another 7-8 fairly excited), whereas of 100 garotocomlocal ads, the numbers would be much higher--although so often lately I click on their Whatsapp only to find out I already met them!🤣  I seek as many as possible of the following: >180cm (nearly mandatory) strong features, fit to muscular (not skinny), good kisser, 20cm+, endurant and preferably bbk. A much higher proportion of the Colombians on the respective sites seemed to be twinks. I also found a spectacular one in rentmen which can give an idea of my type: rentmen.es/Josephtormo (195cm!) 😋

[Chucky]

So, you are correct in some ways, the saunas in Colombia are not really about hiring, although some of them have guys for massage that can be contacted reasonably quickly. The saunas in Colombia are busier socially and in line with Brazil around the end of the working day. I've always enjoyed the saunas in Medellin but its a very different vibe from say 117 or 202 in Rio. In respect to your type, again not necessarily so easy in Colombia, in general the men are less tall than in Brazil average in Colombia is around 177cm but they are well endowed so that shouldn't be a problem. 

If you are around Poblado and go on Grindr or Scruff there will be some guys who are available for hire, and will often message with their services.

Bogota the same, but you do have as you mentioned the St Moritz option, but the last few times I was there, the guys were definitely more twinkish. 

[12is12]

MacDaddi is THE expert with the answers. However, 2 the best of my knowledge, in medellin there is also el silon rojo club, and about 6 more saunas and bars.

 

[Canadianbtmguy]

Would these be client-client saunas, not saunas with boys?

[macdaddi]

1 hour ago, Chucky said:

So, you are correct in some ways, the saunas in Colombia are not really about hiring, although some of them have guys for massage that can be contacted reasonably quickly

@Chucky is locally based in Medellín and offers sound advice and insights. As I have posted here in the past, the scene in Medellín is a tougher nut to crack for the first timer. From the trip duration and expectations you described, I am going to suggest you organize a couple of encounters with Rent.men rather than chase down the local happenings. Once you are in contact, ask those guys if they can recommend other scorts with your desired attributes.  Most of those escorts have connections with the guys they do threesomes (and more-somes) with, and will have short list of recommended providers. 

Since the Mileroticos listing left you cold, I would also suggest checking back. Many of the scorts on offer travel around Colombian cities, or even do the circuit of Mexico-Panama-Colombia. So new listings are frequent, plus the Mileroticos algo is weird, does not always show the newest listings. Try searching the city listing using heights, starting with your minimum of 180cm.

Good luck.

 

[macdaddi]

1 hour ago, Chucky said:

If you are around Poblado and go on Grindr or Scruff there will be some guys who are available for hire, and will often message with their services.

Bogota the same, but you do have as you mentioned the St Moritz option, but the last few times I was there, the guys were definitely more twinkish. 

This ^^ is absolutely true. On the weekends you will get a smorgasbord of stunning listings that will be "new" to you. At least 30% of these are escorts. This is not a bad option when you are there.

[Chucky]

20 hours ago, macdaddi said:

 I am going to suggest you organize a couple of encounters with Rent.men rather than chase down the local happenings. Once you are in contact, ask those guys if they can recommend other scorts with your desired attributes.  Most of those escorts have connections with the guys they do threesomes (and more-somes) with, and will have short list of recommended providers.

 

@macdaddihas given good advice here.With your limited time the above should allow you to have some good encounters and if you treat the guys well and establish a good rapport with them, they usually have "mates" in the same line of work, and with photos of them on their phones. Let us know how you get on.

[macdaddi]

Thanks @Chucky agreed. @Canadianbtmguy if you prefer, send me a DM and. I can connect you with some alternative options. You didn’t note your working level of Spanish. Do know that is a real differentiator in Medellín. Despite a growing foreign tourism boom, they are just catching up with demand for English language services. If you are comfortable with Spanish, I can make some introductions. Your move. 

[Canadianbtmguy]

Sent--thanks!

I typically stay in AIrbnbs when I go to Brazil, but in CO, the Bogotá portion is because my husband needs more Hyatt nights, therefore Hyatt Place/Convention Center, and in general he prefers hotels (he might be more open to AIrbnbs if only I would just make him breakfast😋) so in Medellin we may stay at the (Accor) Tribe in tourist central. 

Unless anyone knows these hotels in particular, in Colombia is there a typical policy of midrange chain hotels regarding visitors? In such hotels in Brazil I've stayed in, visitors would just come and go, like any guest, although the elevator/lift may require a key. The check or keep the ID of visitors would be ideal; the forbidding of visitors worst (although in a large hotel I dont know how that could be enforced)

[floridarob]

2 hours ago, Canadianbtmguy said:

the forbidding of visitors worst (although in a large hotel I dont know how that could be enforced)

Don't be surprised... @macdaddi can affirm, Hotels are very strict with visitors. I've always booked a room for 2 even though I travel alone, even so I've had some try to charge an extra guest fee, to which I've told them to just register him. 

The Hampton Inn Medellin refused a Venezuelan guy because he didn't have his VZA passport or a Colombian ID.... we had to go to a sex motel. The Airbnb I rented the next trip, they let him in with his VZA id....

I'm ok with taking, registering ID's... even in places like Thailand where the risk is lower. But Colombia doesn't play around and if you room is for 2 and you invite someone, be prepared to pay or stand firm that they're visiting and not staying overnight,,,, 

[floridarob]

I forgot to mention, even though they get their ID, doesn't mean you will be scott free of problems.

In Bogota I had 2 guys up, the guy that I was in contact with didn't give his "friend" his fair share of the money, so he tried to come back to the room to get more money from me... the front desk called and said your friend is coming back up, I told them he's not allowed up and security threw him out.... they've seen it all, this was at Embassy Suites.

[Canadianbtmguy]

49 minutes ago, floridarob said:

Don't be surprised... @macdaddi can affirm, Hotels are very strict with visitors. I've always booked a room for 2 even though I travel alone, even so I've had some try to charge an extra guest fee, to which I've told them to just register him. 

How does this exactly happen in a large hotel, thought?--I can't picture it--there's no way the reception can know who is and isn't staying there.  So if the Venezuelan went straight for the elevators or you met him outside and accompanied him (if the elevator requires the key) how would anyone know he wasn't staying there?  (Of course, there's the odd idiot who, even though you say just walk straight through to the elevator, somehow can't find it and goes to reception🙀)

[floridarob]

Security at the door or elevators.... they're not new at this, they've seen it all, more with straight clients.... the stories the security at the hotels, reception and Airbnb have told me, I'm glad I'm gay.

Apart from not knowing about the VZA guy not having a Colombian ID, which I was unaware of at the time was a law to stay in a hotel.... I'm glad they do ID checks.

 

[macdaddi]

4 hours ago, Canadianbtmguy said:

How does this exactly happen in a large hotel, thought?--I can't picture it--there's no way the reception can know who is and isn't staying there.  

They don't, but to @floridarob point, all have protocols in place. Many will ask to see your room key when entering the lobby --no key, see ya!  The larger hotels use cards to access the elevator which is easier to bypass. You likely will have better luck in Bogotá where the vigilance is slightly less. In Medellín, particularly in El Poblado and surrounding zonas (Manila, Castropol, Provenza, Las Lomas, etc) they are looking for any hint of sex tourism. So the first visit might be okay, the second and the third? The front desk staff will be in your business. Chisme is the national sport, it won't take long for the staff to all know what you are up to. As noted, they have seen it all, and just want to avoid any drama.

[Canadianbtmguy]

Interesting, kind of alludes to differences between Colombia and Brazil. I don’t think Brazilian hoteliers, at least anywhere I’ve been, are looking for hints of sex tourism (so long as it doesn’t involve children). And of dozens (ok, probably hundreds by now🙈) of guys I’ve met in Brazil, with few exceptions, drama doesn’t really come to mind. Haha.

Incidentally on Tuesday I sent this to the Tribe Hotel Medellin but they never responded. I just resent in Spanish: 

Hola, buenas noches, 
I have two questions:
1.) I wanted to confirm that I can use my Accor points to pay for the reservation? This happens at checkout? 
2.) What is the procedure if I have a friend who would like to visit in the afternoon? Is there a fee involved?
Muchas gracias!

[Primeone385]

This is why I use Airbnb’s from my second visit moving forward depending on where I am visiting. Cause every time I had a bootycall from grindr or from random walking around and  striking up random conversations. The hotel that I was staying at my 1st trip. Made it virtually impossible. To bring anyone up. I even had booked the room as two guest. So that I wouldn’t have to register hookups. But they registered every last one of them. Gave me the stink eye every time. So I went with an Airbnb. Which allowed me to bring guys from pointe, 212, and other random guys I met back with no problem. The lobby guards never said a word didn’t have a problem either. I also tipped the guys every once in a while. They were cool looking out for me. But if you don’t feel safe doing that then hotel it is. I’m doing another Airbnb next year in the month of may for my Brazil trip. 

[Canadianbtmguy]

So I might as well turn this thread into my trip report…
Starting with a practical point, if you want a local number for your WhatsApp you can buy a Tigo eSIM at home. I started the activation at home, and I guess not surprisingly at some point it got stuck, but the surprisingly thing was it finished it’s installation on its own when I was connected to the airport WiFi. 
 

Armed with a local WhatsApp and a macdaddi edited greeting (mine, adapted, from my Brazilian one, was too informal for the mannerly Colombians, he said) I hit the mileroticos. You (or maybe I should just say I) think there are pages and pages of ads, but I guess they have to renew them every day or something so there are A LOT fewer than I thought. And not great diversity in types. I would say no more than 5% are over 80 kilos, for example. Not that it mentions their weight (or, vexingly, their height) in the ad. it shares an annoying feature with garotocomlocal that there’s no organized fashion of presenting theInformation, as for example, rentmen. Dick size is typically mentioned, except probably when it is unremarkable. Unfortunately, over the course of a couple days, I made it through the ads back till mid November, contacting about 10-15 that Interested me. About 2/3 responded.,a little higher percentage than Brazil, Most did not meet my height threshold (180cm) And a couple more stymied by my thicket of questions about what I’m into. Two Survived, One of which I told that I would be moving hotels later in the day to one where I could receive guests but he said that if we could meet, then he would pay for the hotel because he was desperate for money. Mileroticos revealing that he had been advertising at least a year, That struck me as a very inauspicious sign (true, yes, he might’ve had an emergency) But after a year, he should not be hurting for money.  The second one, I realized that he had managed to take pictures of everybody part and every angle except for his midsection; When I asked for a shirtless pic, he said there were plenty of pics already thereand to please not waste his time if I was not interested in meeting….

I think I managed to annoy Fercho, although the feeling was mutual. He kind of lets the guys out like a leaky sink one drip at a time, and even though my first requirement is 180cm he kept sending me ones that weren’t. Actually I thought he had ghosted me but in fact he just sent me a whole bunch of messages, just now. He speaks so fast I have to get someone to translate them. He does have a guy at only 175 that I can’t seem to forget about, and since many of the guys claiming 180cm are actually 175, I may have to go for it. 

Macdaddi was kind to refer me to Otoniel, the polite term for which could be a curator. He is super super nice.  Met 2 in his “stable,” nice guys, friendly, good at sex, but neither great. At least for my type, the “stable” is not large/he has a “shallow bench” however you want to put it, because after the two today he had never met before. I don’t know where he is finding them. Yesterday’s guys were very nice if a bit lackluster in sex. Whereas, the first one today spent the first half hour taking a shower and finding straight porn that he liked, but finally when he turned (at least some of) his attention to me, he did give a really great fuck for about 15 minutes but then said something about his rate being 250 (it was 200) and if he went on, it would be another 250. That’s definitely the value of having a middleman: Otoniel told him no no, 200. The second one charged an extra 100 to kiss,  (in Brazil, bareback sometimes attracts a supplement, especially outside SP/Rio, and very occasionally a GP will say sorry I don’t kiss, but I have never, in probably at least 1000 conversations had a single guy ask for a supplement to kiss) I should’ve known right there to stop. Oddly, no supplement to bareback. He was so boring, not at all helped by the fact that his dick was a fraction of the size claimed. The 100k kisses were no more intimate than you’d give abuela. While I was with him, Which couldn’t have been more than 15 minutes, Otoniel came up with a super hot guy with a great body and 1.88, but again it was, someone had never met, And who asked for 400–which did not seem out of place, certainly not in relation to the misery I had just endured for 300. But he also wanted a kissing supplement. At that point it was up to 550. I’m still thinking about that one for tomorrow, but the kissing supplement seems very inauspicious, And certainly if I go through with it, and it’s bad, I’ll be thinking didn’t I learn my lesson with the first guy? It’s a pity that Otoniel has not screened the guys, I guess he doesn’t have 400 laying around, but in that case, I am really the guinea pig, and and he’s not really a curator anymore. A wingman and security, which are valuable, to be sure. But there’s no higher chance of success than if I was just picking the guys, from mileroticos or whatever…

Now that I have a place that takes guests, my thoughts keep turning to why don’t I have the great sex guy from this morning come over (as I have dozens…um, ok, well…hundreds of times in Brazil without serious event but I keep remembering if that was him being on his best behavior when my “chaperone” was there, imagine how he’d be without him. 

[12is12]

Canadian, whats the average milerotics rate, without additions?

200,000 cop ?