The Murders of Rob Reiner and his Wife: and the Issue of Anger

[PeterRS]

9 hours ago, vinapu said:

a I only one here who thinks you both deserve good spanking ?

In this case, i am sorry but that is rubbish! Why should two posters deserve a spanking when all one has done is report percisely what was written in the media and the other has called him out for being a liar? Sometimes your sitting on the fence is misplaced!

I have never doubted @unicorn's qualifications. I myself am from a very medical family as I have pointed out here before. My grandfather, father, all my uncles, brother, sister, niece and two of my cousins are members of the medical profession and my late brother-in-law was in charge of a hospital for the mentally challenged. I have nothing but praise for those working in the profession. But I will not have one poster call me a liar when it is perfectly plain that i did no such thing!

[unicorn]

I never accused @PeterRS of lying. I found his posts, however, ambiguous in their meaning and easy to misinterpret. If what he meant to say was that the parents erred in NOT following professionals' advice, then we agree completely in this matter. 

[vinapu]

in meantime  Mrs. and Mr. Reiner are still dead I presume

[floridarob]

26 minutes ago, vinapu said:

in meantime  Mrs. and Mr. Reiner are still dead I presume

BTW, What are you doing sitting on the fence.... not what I expect of someone with your age and stature.....

[khaolakguy]

2 hours ago, floridarob said:

BTW, What are you doing sitting on the fence.... not what I expect of someone with your age and stature.....

And not good for the fence!

[jimmie50]

I have no idea about the accuracy of the news article, but I was reading Daily Beast online and they reported that Rob Reiner had mentioned to a few close friends after the argument at Conan O'Brien's holiday party and Nick was asked to leave that he was a little afraid of Nick and concerned for his safety.  The article did not provide names of these close friends also in attendance at the party.  That would contradict previous reports that while they were concerned about Nick and his well-being, there was no hint that he could become violent.  I suppose the truth is somewhere in between, but we will never really know.  

[PeterRS]

15 hours ago, unicorn said:

I never accused @PeterRS of lying. I found his posts, however, ambiguous in their meaning and easy to misinterpret.

And you were about the only one to so misinterpret what was perfectly obvious. Where was the ambiguity you mention?

[Suckrates]

5 hours ago, jimmie50 said:

I have no idea about the accuracy of the news article, but I was reading Daily Beast online and they reported that Rob Reiner had mentioned to a few close friends after the argument at Conan O'Brien's holiday party and Nick was asked to leave that he was a little afraid of Nick and concerned for his safety.  The article did not provide names of these close friends also in attendance at the party.  That would contradict previous reports that while they were concerned about Nick and his well-being, there was no hint that he could become violent.  I suppose the truth is somewhere in between, but we will never really know.  

I am not sure WHY we are all trying to diagnose Mental Illness ?    Are we psychiatrists or analysts ?   I realize its curiosity to understand the reason behind such a senseless family tragedy,  but lets leave it to the experts and not speculate.   I am sure the answer is somewhere between our imaginations and reality ?  

[vinapu]

11 hours ago, floridarob said:

BTW, What are you doing sitting on the fence.... not what I expect of someone with your age and stature.....

if they were just ordinary people , likely son would be locked down   long ago . This is what I think.

sitting on the fence comes from simple fact that first I heard about those people is in this thread

[floridarob]

13 hours ago, vinapu said:

sitting on the fence comes from simple fact that first I heard about those people is in this thread

Do you own a television?

Reminds me of a roommate I had years ago, from Pakistan. He never got any of my references to Green Acres, the Beverly Hillbillies, Burn and Allen.......things we take for granted that people in our age group can all relate to. Then I have this friend, he grew up in Arkansas and had strict parents that wouldn't allow him to watch TV, even though he grew up basically like the Clampett's or on Green Acres, he didn't get the references either  🤷‍♂️

[unicorn]

18 hours ago, PeterRS said:

And you were about the only one to so misinterpret what was perfectly obvious. Where was the ambiguity you mention?

In your original post, you stated the parents were responsible for the murders due to "...a misunderstanding on the part of the boy’s parents on how to deal with such very substantial on-going substance abuse, and a steady build-up of anger." You later stated stated that the parents "took their son to endless doctors, psychiatrists or whoever they believed qualified and thereafter took their words as gospel," which, to me, implies that you blame them for placing too much value on professionals' advice. It appears as though the parents originally followed the professionals' advice and later maybe didn't. If you want to clarify your beliefs, would you clearly state your position? Was the parents' error in following the professionals' advice too closely, or was it due to their ultimate (apparent?) rejection of such advice?

[Suckrates]

 

In recent comments by MAGA mistress of ceremonies Meghan Kelly, she believes that Nick, the sons defense is going to be that HE was sexually abused for his dad, Rob, for years, up until the present.... And mom KNEW and allowed it to happen......

Will taking a page from the Menendez Brothers work for Nick ?  

[vinapu]

6 hours ago, floridarob said:

Do you own a television?
 

Of course, it's just standing there and , when dusted off , looking pretty, all 32 inches of it.

I don't have any cable nor Nextlix etc though which ensures backwardness I guess.

[vinapu]

6 hours ago, floridarob said:

Reminds me of a roommate I had years ago, from Pakistan. He never got any of my references to Green Acres, the Beverly Hillbillies, Burn and Allen.......things we take for granted that people in our age group can all relate to. Then I have this friend, he grew up in Arkansas and had strict parents that wouldn't allow him to watch TV, even though he grew up basically like the Clampett's or on Green Acres, he didn't get the references either  🤷‍♂️

this makes me wanting to tell the story.

Picture this , mid 80ties, China slowly opening to the world after years of isolation and still firmly Third World country . Overnight train from Lanzhou to Golmud. Despite of being well past midnight ,  very noisy, people talking loudly, loudspeaker  broadcasting  some radio program even louder. Inside , among sea of locals , me and my friends fascinated by the spectacle but also increasingly tired without chance of catching a sleep or at least nap .

Then song started in the speaker and all of the sudden all becoming VERY quiet other than few  people murmuring along. When it was over , mayhem resumed but we realized that  we all independently  had the same thought - there's some singer in China , outside world knows noting about and yet here there's billion of fans who stopped in their tracks to to hear her singing.

There are thousands  celebrities we in the West think whole world puts on pedestal high for all to see and yet majority of world including many well connected never heard about and never will, for whom Paris Hilton is just a name of hotel in French capital just for starters.

In this forum probably only @Moses and me knows who Lyudmila Zykina was and yet , when she died,  Russian government felt compelled to sent detachment of soldiers for her funeral to ensure such popular singer was sent off in well deserved style.

[vinapu]

2 hours ago, Suckrates said:

 

In recent comments by MAGA mistress of ceremonies Meghan Kelly, she believes that Nick, the sons defense is going to be that HE was sexually abused for his dad, Rob, for years, up until the present.... And mom KNEW and allowed it to happen......

Will taking a page from the Menendez Brothers work for Nick ?  

yes , he will be electrocuted with higher voltage 

[Suckrates]

1 hour ago, vinapu said:

yes , he will be electrocuted with higher voltage 

I highly doubt he will receive the Death penalty,  eventhough he might deserve it.

How many people did Trump and Hegseth murder in the Caribbean ?    If the DEATH penalty is warranted,  its those two !   

[PeterRS]

Error posting apologies

[PeterRS]

5 hours ago, unicorn said:

In your original post, you stated the parents were responsible for the murders due to "...a misunderstanding on the part of the boy’s parents on how to deal with such very substantial on-going substance abuse, and a steady build-up of anger." You later stated stated that the parents "took their son to endless doctors, psychiatrists or whoever they believed qualified and thereafter took their words as gospel," which, to me, implies that you blame them for placing too much value on professionals' advice. It appears as though the parents originally followed the professionals' advice and later maybe didn't. If you want to clarify your beliefs, would you clearly state your position? Was the parents' error in following the professionals' advice too closely, or was it due to their ultimate (apparent?) rejection of such advice?

Again you misquote me to fit your own narrative. I have never once stated the parents were responsible - and it is totally incorrect of you to even suggest that. How many times must I state taht what I wrote was this? "Perhaps – although this is only being hinted at and may not be fact - a misunderstanding on the part of the boy’s parents on how to deal with such very substantial on-going substance abuse, and a steady build-up of anger."

You say you "imply"! Please realise once and for all you implied wrongly and only do so to fit your version. You are wrong! If you imply, then you should state that when you make your first post - and not leave it so you can cover up your earlier inaccurate comments.

[unicorn]

8 hours ago, PeterRS said:

Again you misquote me to fit your own narrative. I have never once stated the parents were responsible - and it is totally incorrect of you to even suggest that. How many times must I state taht what I wrote was this? "Perhaps – although this is only being hinted at and may not be fact - a misunderstanding on the part of the boy’s parents on how to deal with such very substantial on-going substance abuse, and a steady build-up of anger."

You say you "imply"! Please realise once and for all you implied wrongly and only do so to fit your version. You are wrong! If you imply, then you should state that when you make your first post - and not leave it so you can cover up your earlier inaccurate comments.

In my first post on this string, I wrote:

"I hope I'm reading this incorrectly, and that you're not hinting that the parents are in any way responsible for their own deaths...".

To which you directly responded:

"With much regret I am indeed hinting this...". The fact that you later said that you were not the one who came up with this theory doesn't change what you wrote.You're simply backtracking now.