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I'm still thinking hard about visiting Brazil. Prices for business class tickets in November seem to good to be true. I'm choosing November because there is a small chance on a F1 Grand Prix. From Amsterdam to Sao Paulo Lufthansa, Iberia and Swiss airlines cost only a little bit more. Has anyone seen these prices before?

I guess I'd be in for a double date. You take Will and I Jaden

Interesting! Have you ever tried to find things that your guys have in common, other than being men? I'm genuinely interested because it took me some time to figure that out.

In the case of my friend, I can tell you that it is about how paying would make him feel. He is not greedy but always wants to feel wanted. He never put me down for paying. I'm pretty open about that. Your last point, there are some pretty messed up scams going on in Havana. I'll explain how it works in the next post. Some of you might already know it. In short, some guys pretend to be police (they might even be) and try to get money from you because you are walking with a Cuban boy.

Agreed, I should have said Havana because I've not been anywhere else. Your second point is valid too. But some people like the drama...as my friend does. I rather pay and know that I owe them nothing else. I knew that quote, never knew it was from Charlie Sheen.

hehe, That's surely true for short-term memory. In this case, I am talking about summer 2019. The only reason i still know so much is because I've spoken about it with people who were there on multiple occasions, afterwards.

Hi Guys, I've been busy for a while and writing doesn't come that easy for me. For those of you who are interested: Let me clarify the situation with my friend first. He is 53 and believe it or not, he doesn't pay for sex. I've known him for 20 years and this never changed. For people who are used to paying for sex, it might come as a surprise that a 53-year-old can have so many young guys, but he really can. I've seen boys follow him from Asia to Europe at their own expense. When he goes to Thailand, he goes to meet Chinese boys. These guys have their own money. He is always very clear about the money part. He usually gets his boys through the apps during the day and at night he goes out to drink and then sleep alone. I am the opposite. Back to Cuba... I read @macdaddi 's post about $15 for a night out in Cuba. This is not my experience. Cuba is crazy expensive in more ways than one. But I can not speak for other people's experiences. Day 2 was a Friday. In the daytime, we didn't do that much. At night Blondie came to pick us up to go to Pico Blanco. We had to pay some kind of entrance fee and then with the elevator to the top floor. I remember that the room was rather big with a single bar. There was a stage with many tables and chairs in front. We decided to sit at the right side of the stage but as far back as possible. I don't think it was overly expensive compared to the other places I've been to in Havana. It was not busy when we entered but there were some cute guys. One was my friends' type and he didn't waste time going after him. I stayed at the table drinking with Blondie till my friend came back with the boy. He was cute, had light skin, short straight dark hair, and a tongue piercing. Ugghhh, I'm not into piercings. The worst is when they have a nose ring. The boy, whose name I don't remember was very nice. He spoke fluent English and was interesting to talk to. In the meantime, the place filled up and Camilo also walked in. If you remember, he was the guy I met a night before and planned to meet this night in Pico Blanco. He looked just as cute as the night before. I invited him to come and sit next to me and we had some drinks. Around that time the show also started but that is all a blur to me now. I only remember that we had fun and we went in a group in an old Caddilac (could have been a chevy) to Mixto. Mixto was as much fun as the night before. After a while, Camilo came to me and asked why I wanted a threesome. I was not sure what he meant. i told him that I wasn't interested in a threesome. Then he told me that Blondie had asked him duhhhh... yeah, I had asked Blondie to find a boy, but obviously not a boy that I was already on a date with. Elian was in Mixto, too. HE WAS PISSED! And I don't mean drunk. As I said, he was 27 but looked very young and he was very small too. He was just cursing at my friend, who had dumped him the night before. I spoke to Elian a couple of times that night. He was intelligent and also fluent in English. He explained that he had dated my friend a couple of days prior, and he was disappointed that my friend went with so many other boys. This is really the story of the 20 years that I've known my friend. I lost count of how many boys came to me with the love problems they had with my friend. Pretty amazing! Especially when you know how many really nice boys he just dumped. Again, not one time was it about money. To be honest, this second day is hard for me to recall. Camilo went home with me and I did have a little crush. He had a perfect face and a perfect body... a great night. Besides this, no major crazy things happened. I think it all started to get crazy from day three. I might write about day three when I have a few drinks. Somehow it's easier to remember those things after a few :-)

thanks Rob, I'll get back to your questions in a couple of days.

Haha, that started on day two. Well, don't forget there already was a lot going on in and outside Mixto that night. While I would call blondie more manly than the boys I am normally into, my definition of "macho" is much more masculine. But I agree, he was definitely borderline. His age, at least perceived, and drinks might have given him the nod. I can write what happened on day 2 of 7 in a couple of days. It took me 2 hours to write this last post and I'm done for today. Wait, I do want to give my definitions to clarify my taste: X Straight: i guess this speaks for itself. However, they could also fall in most categories below. X Macho: manly acting guys that are muscled. * Manly: manly acting guys that are on the slimmer side. When, then I prefer them with soft facial features. ** Boyish: They don't have specific manly or feminine features. Max age I would say +/- 25 * Feminine: Is OK for me if they don't wear make-up or are too slim. They shouldn't be to extrovert either. X Lady boys: I guess this also speaks for it self. They X-es are not for me. The * are very welcome and I had a lot of fun with them. The ** are butterfly in the stomach material. The above is based on looks and motor coordination.

I'm not good at telling stories but I can try recollect a much information as possible. That first night i arrived late. My friend had already spend a week in Havana, so when I arrived I took a taxi straight to the Airbnb. I must have arrived at there between 09.30 PM and 10:30 PM. We stayed a couple of hundred meters from Mixto. After bringing up my suitcases, I took a shower, got dressed and we were on our way. We walked from from the apartment the long way around via the Malecon to the intersection of Infanta (where Las Vegas is) and Avenida 23. This place was crazy. There were literally hundreds guys hanging around there. This was such a shock but at the same time a very pleasant surprise. I mean, all types of boys were present there. Darker skinned, lighter skinned, older, younger, slim, slim fat, muscled and so on. Many groups had their own drinks with them and were just having a good time. It was very easy to make contact and guys often walked up to us to say hello. A heads-up, while there is always gay activity at night around that intersection, I've never seen it as busy as in mid August 2019. We only stayed about 30 minutes and flagged down a taxi to take us to that restaurant bar I was talking about. I will have to ask my friend (if anyone is interested) the name because I really don't remember. What I will never forgot is it's location. It was in the middle of a normal neighborhood. It was a quiet backstreet with villas, or at-least bigger size houses, no flats. The music was booming, and I don't know how that was allowed. Anyway, we went inside and my friend might have paid an entrance fee for us. The doorman let us in and when we walked through the gate we came into a courtyard already full with people. This was the outside section with seating on the left, on the right side of that people were standing. Even more right people could walk up and down and on the most right was a section with a back drop were you could take pictures. it was like you see on those red-carpet events. Just a backdrop with some advertising on it. We actually spend most of our time standing there. Unintentionally, I might ad, but it was a great place because everyone would take their picture there and many people asked us to be in their pictures. Because I've only been there 1 time, I cannot tell you if this was a special event. This night however, which was on a Thursday was busy and fun. Someone approached us when we entered to stick a number on our chest. I'm really doing my best to remember how it worked but COVID-19 really did a number on my brain. I think you could write notes, or maybe even leave notes somewhere, or buy a drink for someone. Honestly, I can't remember. There were two bars if memory serves me right. One of them was in the outside area and the other inside. We met interesting Cuban guys but also a guy from Scotland. Honestly, it was to early for me to feel as comfortable with everything as I did from the second day. Actually, you could say until I was drunk that night. You must know, I lived in Luton, England at that time and it was quit a culture shock, straight out of the plane. We had a good time, did a lot of flirting and many guys flirted with us. Nevertheless, we didn't stay long because we had other places to see. We got into a taxi and were off to mixto. For those of you who like dark skinned muscle boys, you will love the doormen at Mixto. Besides great bodies, some of them were extremely good looking. it is my understanding that these guys are straight, but don't pin me on that. I'm not sure how to explain this, but the entrance to Mixto is very interesting. The doormen our outside. When they let you in, you first have to go up one or two steps. Then you have 2 or 3 meters to the door. That outside space i also a couple of meters wide. You were not allowed to bring glasses there but you could put you drink in a plastic cup, and take it there. Why is this important? It was were we spend a lot of time. People who smoked (not us) could have a sig there and it was a great please for chatting. I noticed that they don't always have plastic cups on subsequent visits. My advice, bring one if you like to hang around outside. Anyone, it was early for Mixto standards when we came in. When you open the door, there is a black curtain that you have to go through. My friend took the lead and I followed. On the right side of the door (inside) was a boy standing alone. He must have been 23. Funny, I never asked him his age. But yeah, he was a bit manly, but other than that he was handsome enough. His hair was dyed blond, something that looked really good on him. My friend kept walking and I followed him. Mixto is not that big and the bar is immidiatly at the left. My friend ordered drinks and it came as no shock that they spoiled mine. I don't like lime in my drink at all. Normally when they put a lime in accidentally, you can just take it out. It will still taste of lime a little but it's drinkable. In Mixto however, they poor lime juice in and that make a Cuba Libre undrinkable for me. Great, I had a reason to contact the boy. he was standing there without a drink so I went over and gave him mine. I just asked him if he wanted it, he said yes, I gave it and walked away again. First contact was made and he seemed to be pleased. This is also they guy I took home later that night, but before that, there were many hours of fun with other guys. Across the street from Mixto is a small park. At a certain moment I went outside to look around. I had just arrived in Cuba and i wanted to see a little more than clubs. There were also many guys sitting in the park and that might have played a roll to for my eagerness to get out there. Making contact was extremely easy especially as I had a little more to drink now. As I understood, most of the boys outside couldn't get into Mixto. It was fun flirting with them and I'm sure I could have taking a couple of them home. At that time, I already knew that I wanted the blond guy. After some good chats I went back inside and met someone who would be my date for the next night. I don't feel comfortable with sharing names so let call him Camilo. My god, he was a student and lived a couple of hundred km from Havana. Like many other guys he was on a summer holiday. He was short, had a great body and eyes to die for. He looked a younger than that he was. If i remember correctly he was 21, but he looked like he was 18. We agreed to meet the next day in Pico Blanco, a club in the penthouse of a hotel that had gay nights on Friday. Sadly, it's closed a few months after my first visit. Back too Blondie! If you've never been to Cuba, you have to know that boys are very pushy when it comes to asking for drinks. You would almost think they are getting paid a commission. Where I am used to feeling lucky if a boy likes to drink and party in some Asian countries, in Cuba, I had no such worries. Blondie would feel no shame in asking me for drinks. Actually, that first drink I gave him he must have drank under protest. After that, I've never seen him drink anything else but beer. When Blondie would get a beer, he would always offer a sip to his friends when they walked by. Mixto was full of guys who just didn't have drinks. Not weird, if you consider that they were not cheap. Again, i am not sure but I think 4 or 5 CUC. Which is crazy if you think of it. On the other hand, Mixto is so small that cheap drinks might attract too many people. There were also some big spenders who would have a table near the dance-floor or upstairs on the balcony. They would have one or more bottles of hard liqueur in front of them. I already feel like I am writing a book so I'll try to finish the story of my first night. i really cannot say how many boys I've spoken with and who were very willing to go home with me. It was truly insane. It's not that Cuba was my first rodeo. Other than the Thai gogo/ host bars and clubs like DJ station, I've not often seen. maybe Cabaret Tito in Mexico city in the early 2000, but I was at my peak myself what looks and age is considered. So yeah, Havana was something really special and it brought back feelings I hadn't had for many years. Even I wanted to, I couldn't recall all the things that took place that night. There was a lot of flirting, kissing (openly), ass grabbing and hands that disappeared in trousers. Ugh, I wanted to end this but I just realized what else happened when we went home. There is a whole story that leads up to this but I want to keep it short. My friend was talking to a guy (Elian) and I told him I was going home with blondie. He said he would go home too. LOL, so drunk me invited Elian that he was talking too to come with us. Elian agreed and we started walking. Like i said, it was only a few hundred meters to our apartment so a few minutes later the four of us were sitting in our living room. Elian was 27 years old. He looked no day over 21 and maybe even younger. We had some drinks and i asked if they would like some chocolate, and both said yes. I'd bought a lot of treats because I knew about the situation in Cuba. My friend told me to bring toilet paper and treats. When came back with a big Cadburry bar, Elian grabbed it and put it in his pocket. Yeah, he wasn't sharing that bad boy, lol. Blondie had a disgusted look on his face and he wasn't wrong. i told him that I would give him some later in my bedroom. That's basically were we went after that. I already had taken a shower and when blondie was in the shower there was some noise coming from the hallway. Elian was standing their naked and my friend was telling him to leave. This is not the first time this had happened to my friend. in fact, he very often invites boys but then asks them to leave very quickly. I had forgotten that I was the one who invited Elian, but this was something i would be reminded of in the days to come. Anyway, he got kicked out. I just went back to my room where blondie just came out of the shower. Nice body but a little bit bigger (not fat) than what I normally go for. He was top, which i am too, so that didn't fit. Actually, I didn't mind. He had a big tool to play with and he was a passionate kisser. That night, I already decided that I wanted a threesome with him and a bottom. I told him as much and also that he should find the bottom, this gets interesting if there will be a sequel to this post. The same goes for the stories with Elian. Blondie stayed the night, and I normally don't like that. We woke up in the afternoon. I can't remember if there was another session but when he left, I gave him some chocolate and 20 CUC. He thanked me and left. Now, I had no idea what to give him. I didn't want to give too much and not to little. What I understood from what doctors made in Cuba, 20 CUC would be more than enough. After visiting there on multiple occasions, I am still not sure. Boys never complained and never asked for money, other than the ought CUC for phone credit or taxi. Now don't think I'm cheap. it's just that i didn't have the normal John experience when I was in Cuba. For example, my friend doesn't pay for sex and his boys kept coming back because there was actually no money needed. I'd rather pay to be honest. These were just some of my memories of the top of my head. I am not sure what you are specifically interested in. Some might want to hear more about the sex, personally, I think that I shared more than I normally would :-) Lastly, I wrote this and I'm not going to Grammar or spellcheck. People who have a hard time dealing with this kind of writing will have to suck it up, hehe.

Really? I've been there four times in 2019. The best time for me was in August. Boy's were literally everywhere we went. Must have been 5 clubs and 1 restaurant that turned into a bar on Thursday. It was actually the night that I arrived and it was the first place my friend took me too. On entrance, we got a sticker with a number on our chest and we were off to the races. Considering that it was/is one of my favorite place, I wonder how was it better in the 90's.

Mexico also seems to be hassle free. They do not even require a PCR test. I'm not sure about the current bar situation in Mexico City. Cuba, is also great and I would love to visit during the August carnival. For now they have not decided if this will take place and bars like Mixto and Las Vegas are closed.

Thailand is perfect indeed. I'm looking for something the Americas, though. Shocking, is Brazil cheaper than Thailand?

Hey, thanks for your response. Your handle gave you away. :-) But, you seem to be representative of board members in this region. Your suggestion to look into Argentina is interesting enough. To be honest, I've never thought about that country. I'm not fluent in Spanish but I do speak it conversational. I'll do some searches on Buenos Aires. If a certain club/bar comes to mind, please let me know.

Did I misunderstand what this "Latin America destinations" thread means? Many of your suggestions (regardless of how much fun they are) would not qualify geographically. My question did not only consist of a title. Granted, I could have specified even more, but I certainly didn't ask a generic question. The thing is, if you were like-minded, you might have told me one of your favorite options and experiences there. Then, I could have decided for myself if that would be of interest to me. You went with the philosophical approach, which I would put in the same category of correcting someones spelling or grammar on a board like this.

Regardless of the price, I wonder how many people willing to travel to Thailand now would be interested in a tour-package.

I've been reading through this forum many times but I can't seem to find what I am looking for. I've said before that I'm not into sauna's and not into macho boys. When I read these threads it seems like that there is nothing else on offer in this part of the world. Bars or clubs with (twink) moneyboys would be perfect for me. Is there anyone with the same interests and maybe some tips? I'd love to hear some experiences. Thanks in advance.

Unlike many other countries, Brazil offers amazing cheap options from Amsterdam. Sao Paulo with BA Business for only 1600 Euros. But I don't know. Running around naked through a massage parlor to find a guy is not my idea of fun. I like to keep that big belly of mine nicely tucked under whatever I am wearing. Still, I find it very interesting to hear your stories :-)

Do you know anything about a metro station in Sao Paulo where there is a lot cruising and action?

I feel your pain!

It's really crazy. I'm vaccinated but have no idea how and when to book. They keep changing the rules. The only thing that might work is to book last-minute but this will of course be more expensive.

I am not sure what happened. I tried to login to toyboy.com. but I got redirected to this Thai forum. As I understand it I have to create 10 posts so i can see the South American content? I hope that isn't lost because there was a goldmine of info there :-)