Guest tweety Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 Has the on-line escorting scene moved to myspace, Dlist and youtube? I have a feeling technology may have passed us by. Those of us for whom Hooboy's site was fresh and new back then probably just have forgotten that "the medium is the message"...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TampaYankee Posted October 29, 2006 Members Share Posted October 29, 2006 >Over the last five years, there has always been a major >traffic dip on labor day weekend followed by a brief recovery >and gradual slide through the holidays. That trend is somewhat >mitigated this year with a new site coming online, etc., but >here's a graphic that clearly shows the Labor Day plunge and a >gradual slide. I'm sure the same graphic a month from now will >continue to show the gradual slide towards the holidays. Based on my observations of the Message Center over the last seven years, I agree with the seasonal trend analysis for the MC. Whether or not it existed for the reviews, I don't recall any real sense of it although it is quite plausible. The MC trend was more salient with me. I didn't pay as close attention to the reviews on a day-to-day basis. It is reasonable that the End-of-Year holiday season takes a bite out of budgets thus a drop in hiring and plausibly reviews. Based on escort comments, anecdotal experice has shown that the end-of-year slowdown lags well into the beginning of the New Year as bills remain to be paid. Whether any of this extends to the number of site hits, I have no idea. Views(hits) don't cost the viewer any cash and any viewer time crunch tends to be foucsed on and close to the holidays. So it is not obvious to me. I do know that your graphic does not support in the least your site hit hypothesis. Now if it spanned five years or even three years then maybe your case could be made. However, drawing conclusions about seasonal variations sustained over the long term from a three month graphic doesn't even rise to the level of dubious. But then I suspect a 3 year or five year baseline wouldn't have highlighted what you really wanted to show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deej Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 >I do know that your graphic does not support in the least your >site hit hypothesis. Now if it spanned five years or even >three years then maybe your case could be made. However, >drawing conclusions about seasonal variations sustained over >the long term from a three month graphic doesn't even >rise to the level of dubious. But then I suspect a 3 year or >five year baseline wouldn't have highlighted what you really >wanted to show. Where does our traffic come from? Guys hiring escorts. When traffic is down, hiring is down. So where's your long term proof that I'm wrong? ;-) It actually gets a little weird. Site traffic for both of us will go down overall but will spike like crazy ON the holidays. Homos alone will be looking for vicarious fun. This is just an annual trend I've observed over the years. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jessedane Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 >Has the on-line escorting scene moved to myspace, Dlist and >youtube? Um...absolutely not. Youtube and myspace are very hard sites to do anything escort related through as they will delete you're account the moment you become too adult related. 100% of my business comes from the internet and I have never met a single client through any of those sites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TampaYankee Posted October 29, 2006 Members Share Posted October 29, 2006 >Where does our traffic come from? Guys hiring escorts. When >traffic is down, hiring is down. > I never really bought into that hypothesis. Clearly hiring clients add to the traffic. However, it is not clear to me how measurable is their contribuition to the overall page hits. IMO the correlation between those that post reviews with those that hire is 0.95 (good guess), and those that hire with those that post messages might be 0.4 (a WAG guess), and with those that only read messages might be 0.1 (another WAG). However, given the number of hits that HooBoy sustained day-in, day-out over the years, if page hits were driven significantly by active clients then escorting would have made a noticable bubble in the GDP. :+ My point is that their are vastly many many more viewers than hiring clients. They drive the page hits IMO for either site or any other free adult site. >So where's your long term proof that I'm wrong? ;-) > It's not my burden to disprove your assertion. Either it can be supported with facts or it is opinion based on anecdotal evidence or fancy. >It actually gets a little weird. Site traffic for both of us >will go down overall but will spike like crazy ON the >holidays. Homos alone will be looking for vicarious fun. > Yes, holidays are a lonely experience for many who ultimately resort to the warm embrace of their computer. >This is just an annual trend I've observed over the years. I can go with that as I had my own observations of the MC participation that shape my opinion. >Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. LOL... if only this were universally true. Alas only the bad shit seems to be repeated. x( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KYTOP Posted October 29, 2006 Members Share Posted October 29, 2006 > What is hapening? Are guys hiring less? >Are guys just NOT writing reviews? Maybe taking a look at the comments in a thread here about Kyle Foxxx adds a few clues. The guy has been escorting for some time now, has been to LA Hooville dinners and even been with another poster but the kid has NO reviews here or the other site. Well not until I wrote a No Show review on the kid. If the regulars that post, frequent these sites, and attend Hooville dinners don't write reviews, one wonders who will? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Funseeker22 Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 Many of these boys have been to Hooville get togethers however no point in posting a review if there hasn`t been some one on one or two. . I look forward to getting together with Kyle sometime. :9 :9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TownsendPLocke Posted October 29, 2006 Members Share Posted October 29, 2006 As I mentioned above I no longer participate on the Bill and Deej show-as I refuse to help out at all .I do hope it withers and dies out of non participation.No loss for me. Why did I post on this site-because a question was asked and I participated by giving an opinion.That is what we do on message boards.And the more posts-the more interest in this site. I also see Deej just could not not offer a real explanation!Just more BS-and he even made a little chart of it all-so it must be so! Your traffic is down because regular posters are not posting any more!That is it plain and simple . We got tired of the delays,the BS fluff reviews,The offering up of con men instead of real working boys etc etc etc,,,but MAINLY becausw of the continued arrogence of Deej and Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TampaYankee Posted October 30, 2006 Members Share Posted October 30, 2006 >Sorry. Did I misread this thread? >http://www.maleescortreview.com/dcscript/dcboard.php? Methinks you misread the link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lucky Posted October 30, 2006 Members Share Posted October 30, 2006 ummm, yes I did. It's amoot point since the thread is so popular that it is clear we haven't moved on, but here is what Oz said: "History and a time to move on" Tue Sep-19-06 09:04 PM by TotallyOz The bitter back and forth between myself and others on Daddy’s site is finished. It has been a very long period of time since Hooboy died and it is time to move on. It is not only unproductive to get into these little verbal spars with members on the other site but it is destructive for the integrity of this site. I do not apologize for anything I have said. I do however apologize for loosing focus. The focus should have been on moving the site forward instead of keeping it on a path which only history will be able to describe. Unfortunately, those who are the most vocal instead of those who have intelligence on the true story often shape history. If you scream loud enough and long enough, people start to believe. I kept quite too long in the beginning. I have now said my peace. I am now moving toward the future and away from the past. One of the things I hated about Hoo’s message center was all the nutty drama queens who only bitched and moaned about everything possible. I hope I have not become one of them. If so, I will have to get out and have a few wild nights to shake my system back into shape. Hooboy had a site. He died. The site died. We are here to carry on with his vision. Best of luck to Rock/Daddy/Deej in their future. Oz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest epigonos Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 My intent in starting this thread here was NOT to initiate a rehash of old grievances with the HooBoy site but rather to ask some questions concerning the lack of reviews on BOTH sites. As a whole I think most posters have attempted to address those questions. Though some may not agree with deej's conclusions regarding this matter he DID address my questions with a valid theory. One interesting thing I have observed is that far more posters addressed my questions here rather than on HooBoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marcanthony Posted October 30, 2006 Members Share Posted October 30, 2006 Epigonos: I posted this in another thread in kind of a different context... but there's also a business/mathematical model that may be the simple basic reason for the phenomenon that you have noticed... I just repost here as food for thought and another possible explanation. "if enough people find their own personal reason to participate less... it does become a noticable. The bottom line... for whatever reasons... more people are finding other things to do than there are new people jumping on board to take their place. That actually happens a LOT to novel things founded by pioneers that fills a need for only a tiny percentage of the population. It's mathematics. Initial offering... large influx of ENTIRE population that has accumulated up to that time. Over time, interest wanes for some, but only new members to the population can replace them, and that number is less. Example: 2 people at each group from 20 - 70 would enjoy this activity. Hooboy opens website, 100 people join. After that, only 1 new person from each age 20 -25 finds tinterest, and maybe one per decade after that (can't teach an old dog new tricks). So 15 new people each year. If 20 people lose interest each year... by 10 years down the road, the population of interested posters is cut in half. Ok.. shit. Now after that I really need to go back to Montreal!!!! I must be going crazy here." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TampaYankee Posted October 30, 2006 Members Share Posted October 30, 2006 Ummm... yes, that is as I recall Oz's statement. He posted on behalf of himself. I don't see that it supports at all your contention. I stand by my original response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VoxPennae Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 >My intent in starting this thread here was NOT to initiate a >rehash of old grievances with the HooBoy site but rather to >ask some questions concerning the lack of reviews on BOTH >sites. As a whole I think most posters have attempted to >address those questions. Though some may not agree with >deej's conclusions regarding this matter he DID address my >questions with a valid theory. One interesting thing I have >observed is that far more posters addressed my questions here >rather than on HooBoy. I don't know if I agree with you in regard to more responses on this site versus Daddy's. From both threads the general explanations seem to be that some people are hiring less often than in the past. Some are not motivated to post a review. Others are concentrating hiring among guys they have seen before. Then it seems there is a number of guys who find that rates are becoming too high to risk hiring certain escorts. Finally the universe of posters may never have been as large as perceived. Interestingly only this thread has been taking pot shots at the other site. If you factor out the rehashing of old grievances as you put then I don't see much difference between the theories being offered on both sites. The same topic on Daddy's site has in excess of 1100 views, this thread is not yet 600 as of the date and time I write this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tweety Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 >The bottom line... for whatever reasons... more people are >finding other things to do than there are new people jumping >on board to take their place. I think that is right, but I still think something has changed in the model. Three things come to mind. First, the reviews are for the most part only helpful in identifying "bad" escorts, rather than identifying "good" escorts. The reason for this is that the qualities that are likely to be viewed as bad are objective ones, whilst the qualities that are likely to be viewed as good are more likely to be subjective ones. As most reviews that get posted on either site tend to be positive rather than negative, they are of limited utility. This problem has become more accentuated as the time necessary to fill out a review has increased significantly on both sites, and both sites, (perhaps for understandable marketing reasons to attract escorts as a means to attract clients) tend to be more pro-escort than pro-client at least in the sense of giving the benefit of the doubt to the escort. In the end, this ends up killing the goose that laid the golden egg. If the primary purpose of the site is for escort reviews, but their credibility or utility declines so too will the visits to the site. Second, I think a somewhat related problem is revealed by the posts on the threads here and on the other place regarding Preacher Haggard. I am shocked by the number of escorts writing in to defend outing clients. This represents a serious decline in the very ethics that underpin the escort business. It is no longer just Benji N outing his priest client, it has become a trend. In this environment, it seems to me that clients will be more careful about who they hire, if at all, and who they review, if at all. I have discussed this with an enterprising escort friend from Europe who I hired for the first time in 2003 at 19 while he was visiting NY. Now he too tells me that he has been struck by the decline of the on-line escorting scene in Amsterdam, London and NY. Just as on-line escorting killed the club escort scene in Amsterdam several years ago, something is killing the on-line escorting scene now. What is it? Where are the quality escorts gone? Where have the clients gone? What happened? I think Marc's mathematical model explains what has hapened, but not why. My two points above are part of the explanation, I would suggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KYTOP Posted November 7, 2006 Members Share Posted November 7, 2006 You make some very interesting points on the subject. As for the outing of clients, I think you will have many clients thinking twice about hiring. I think a trend is starting because the media are going to jump all over some of these and giving these guys their 15 minutes of fame. The guy even gets put on the Today show and was the lead in story last week on ABC news. Law Enforcement is now looking at him. Wonder if he will laugh if he is charged with selling drugs? Wonder if his other client's info are on his computer when they raid and search his house? You have the American Idol star and now an evangilical preacher. Who is next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
