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Recently, I was talking with a friend and referred to D.J.Station as a 'disco'. His response --"my god, How old ARE you?" P.S. I'm actually SO old that I think of a club as something one has to be a member of.

continued…Installment 8: Will not bore everyone with details regarding what we did playing tourist for two days. Basically, it was filled with temples, markets and shopping malls…all of which are in ample supply around Bangkok. Did visit some areas of the city where I had never been before. One market in particular I did not care for and probably would never return. Chaktuchak Market is not your typical temporary stalls or booths, but rather a more permanent and concrete structure. It does consist of small shop after shop after shop, most filled with multiple fish aquariums filled with all sorts of tropical fish in various shapes, sizes and colors. All offered equipment for purchase to set up home aquariums as well. Also to be found were large assortments of birds, including chickens and ducks, all crammed into crates barely able to move around. Saw many turtles of various sizes, from tiny that you could hold in the palm of your hand up to giant that must have weighed over 100 pounds! Other things included monkeys, lemurs, rabbits, squirrels, mice…many types of rodents. Didn’t see any snakes, but wouldn’t surprise me at all if there were some for sale here. The market is huge with so many shops selling exactly the same thing. I don’t know how they make any money or manage to stay in business. The facility is all one level. Next door is the big red building which is maybe six stories filled with typical merchandise you find in most night markets. Again, shop after shop selling exactly the same thing. One floor was like a giant food court that only contained food booths. The nice thing about this facility is it was all indoors and air conditioned. I would go back to the indoor market, but have no desire to visit the outdoor zoo ever again. Paradise guy was so excited to show me these places that I had to be careful about what I said. Anyway, it was a pleasant two day adventure hanging out together. However, by the time Friday evening arrived I was ready for a break, and he probably was, too. That was the most time we had ever spent together long term, and to be honest it was quite exhausting. He was heading off to his friend’s birthday party, and I had something else in mind for myself…naturally. There would be plenty of beer, so he would either end up passing out there with his friends or just head to his apartment after the party and pass out there. After a quick power nap and shower, I decided to make an unannounced visit to Hotmale. In other words, I didn’t text Cam ahead of time to make sure he was working or letting him know I might stop by. I got there right around 9pm and 8 or 9 number boys were doing their rotation parade on stage with no customers at all. lol. I did not see Cam on stage or waiting for his turn to go up. Mamasan almost immediately realized why I was there and tried to assure me that he would be there, but arrives later. Rather hilarious, actually, because mamasan kind of went into panic mode and was afraid I would leave. She started texting and calling Cam to let him know someone was waiting for him, then would update me as to his updated arrival time. I really had to laugh about the scenario. He had the biggest smile on his face once he arrived and saw me. He came in with a bowl of something he had picked up on the street to eat before work. I didn’t even give him a chance to change out of his street clothes. Told him to give the bowl to one of his buddies to enjoy and we would go get some dinner elsewhere. I don’t think he eats out much other than street food, so when it came to making a decision about where to go for dinner, we ended up going with what was most familiar to him…Foodland. While enjoying a meal together, he said it was early and suggested we go visit Soi 4 and possibly see a show over there. Since I had only walked around that Soi during daylight hours when it was totally dead, I was interested to experience it at night. I assumed since it was a Friday night that it would be a lively place, and that assumption was accurate. One thing that struck me as odd, though, is the outside areas of the clubs were packed, as was the actual street. Wall to wall people. You could barely walk without bumping into someone. However, there were very few people actually inside the clubs. Pride restaurant seemed to be the most successful at engaging people in the actual show, because they brought the show outside to where people were sitting. Noise was a big factor with all of the clubs having the music cranked up as much as possible. You couldn’t make a distinction about what club was playing which music. It would seem it was all about being seen and getting noticed…a face off between the right hand side and left hand side. Reminded me of the old time contest of who is going to blink first. lol. The other thing I didn’t care for about Soi 4 is all of the smoking. Even though all of the bars had signs up outside indicating ‘no smoking’, these were ignored completely. The bars even had ash trays on the outdoor tables. At Cam’s recommendation, we decided to watch the show at Banana Club. I believe the main reason for that is several of the boys who were at this club are also from Cambodia and they are buddies. Show had already started when we got there, so probably missed a good 20 minutes of it. Counted a total of 12 customers inside, including us. Mostly males, but two females with male companions. Not sure if you refer to the entertainers as lady boys or drag queens. They seemed to do their numbers in groups of two or three rather than solo work, and each act would only perform one number. It followed a pattern of two singing acts, interspersed with a sexy boy act. Sexy boy acts were also done with two or three performers, not solo. Boys did show some cock, but all with condoms that appeared to be blown up quite a bit…literally blown up like with a bicycle pump or some such device. I don’t recall ever seeing that before. lol. The same three boys appeared in all of their sexy acts, but there was probably 18-20 number boys that paraded on stage during the 15 minute re-set from first show to second. I also noticed that some of the waiters had number tags, so I assume they could be taken off as well. Several of the boys looked older and perhaps should have considered retiring a few years ago. There were a few mid-20’s guys that I would describe as twinks, and one in particular I thought was cute, but otherwise they were all late 20’s to mid-30’s and a bit too muscular for my taste. THB 380 drink price for admission. We only had one drink each, waited for the second show to get started, then decided to leave and head back to the condo. Still rather early, but didn’t want to deal with BTS so took taxi. Cam was going to spend the night, so we took our time exploring each other completely. He has figured out what I really enjoy, and let me say he is very good at it. Since we left Hotmale almost immediately upon his arrival, I only paid the cost of my initial drink, THB 400, and his off fee, THB 500. Got up the next morning and grabbed some breakfast together before he headed off to exercise. We had never actually discussed fee, but I offered THB 3000 and he was very happy with that. Definitely plan to see each other again.

Good news, counter top dancing has been reintroduced at Rainbow Dragon Bar. Depending on appetite, 2 to 3 shows an evening. 1773049735641.mp4

Thanks so much. It is exactly as you have described. Not sure why street view in Google maps shows some dilapidated pink shack. So weird. FYI...I didn't need to go up a flight of stairs. You walk up maybe two steps to the ground floor where there was seating and a reception desk. Host had me sit and showed me the price list. Provided me with slippers and water. Once it was settled on the type of massage, there were three guys sitting on the other side of a makeshift fringe curtain that the host invited over for me to view and make a selection. Once all was arranged we went up one flight to what most of us call second floor but they refer to as first where they had two massage rooms and a communal restroom. Very helpful info indeed!!! Will share more about my experience in detail on another post.

On Silom, starting at Saladaeng BTS you will see Wisdom and two or three different Olivia shops. They all have mostly male, but also female therapists and several twinks. The problem with these shops is...depending on time of day and who is in charge at that moment, they use a queue system and do not allow you to select which masseur. Even if there are twinks within the group sitting outside, there is no guarantee that is who you will actually get. Also, if you go earlier in the day, choices are limited. They get busier late afternoon into the evening and have more staff available. Just off Silom at Soi 4 is usually a barker for The Adam Massage. If you continue down Silom to Soi 6 you have 9-Teen. Turning onto Soi 6 you have two more locations for 9-Teen, Sun, Relax, Paradise, Maha, and Climax. Prime is also located here with three buildings, but it is strictly legitimate. There will be no happy endings or hanky panky at Prime. They usually are booked solid, too, so plan in advance. Soi 6 does not go all the way down to Surawong, but there is a connecting road which takes you past the old Tawan bar. Once on Surawong you will find Avarin (2 shops), Green, and another Olivia location. I have seen twinks at all of these. I have also been able to choose my masseur at Avarin and Green. Olivia will be hit or miss on that front. You should really check out a travel blog done by @macaroni21. Here is the link: https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog Look for Maps he has created for Silom/Surawong area. They are extremely helpful and relatively current.

Considering the things I have put in my mouth and the places where I put my mouth in, I do not think yours would be among my concerns.

the name Big Boy may have been chosen to follow the names of other bars in Bangkok - Freshboy, Dreamboy, Good Boy.

I had arranged dinner gathering at G's at 8pm with forum members. There were 6 of us in total. My plane arrived on time unlike the previous weekend when it was delayed one hour. I took airport train and transferred to BTS. I reached Sala Daeng at 7.55pm. Not enough time to check into room at Raya so while still carrying backpack, I proceeded straight to G's to meet forum members for dinner. Some of them I was meeting for first time while others were well known.

The city that's so good they set it to music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqGJr2Bgo5w&list=RDnqGJr2Bgo5w&start_radio=1

Posted in the Bangkok section, so only possible explanation is "Krung Thep Mahanakhon Amon Rattanakosin Mahinthara Ayuthaya Mahadilok Phop Noppharat Ratchathani Burirom Udomratchaniwet Mahasathan Amon Piman Awatan Sathit Sakkathattiya Witsanukam Prasit".

They should offer private dances too.🤪

Yes let's all meet! @jimmie50 come along!

Nice report, thanks for posting and reaffirming my thoughts on Ganymede. Ganymede has always been high on my list of massage shops (along with Arena, Senso and Prince) and can't wait to get back there. @vinapu his advice is the best and works the best for me "go and see for yourself", I find it part of the adventure and discovery, sure sometimes there is disappointment but more often than not a very enjoyable experience 😉

One or two members here post about too much attention being gven to the "old days". We live in 2026 and should just enjoy what is on offer for gay men today. To a certain extent I agree and disagree. Enjoy the moment should be everyone's motto. But we should never forget that the "old days" for those of us who were around then were quite amazing and surely worth the occasional reminiscence. For had we not had the "old days", perhaps there would be little to enjoy today.

just about the same thing, no?

This is an H place and tip rates are all-inclusive of full service and rates are stated very clearly for each masseur on their Line feed. Indeed tip rates will vary for each individual but going from 1000-1200, up to 3000 B in some rare cases.

hope you have any skin left , lol you adventure in Ganymede proves again and again that only way to grade the guy and his skills is not the look, not the enthusiastic or negative reviews but actual experience. It's why I always advise all who listen ' go and see for yourself". Occasionally I was happy with guys my trusted friends advised me against engaging and from time to disappointed with ones trusted friends recommended. Truth is sometimes we ma be disappointed with guys we already tried many times before. We all have good and bad days and so do boys.

I tried MMASSAGEBKK twice. They all look amazing, but you have to be careful when choosing a straight top guy, they are really straight, and so they really don't like sex with men. I had Dolla (IMG_1338.jpeg (854×1280)) and Pee (apparently has left since): both were super sexy to me, but they were really not into it, I could feel that touching my cock was a real chore to them. 2 beautiful straight guys, who hated their job, and it really showed. I have not had a chance to try the gay guys, they may be a much better experience.

We had all agreed to go to Jupiter tonight after dinner. But 9pm was too early to go inside Jupiter so we went to Circus first for drinks and we watched their coyote dancers and ladyboy diva shows. Some of the coyote dancers received 100 baht tips from appreciative forum members in our group. At half past 10, we made our way to Jupiter. We were led to seats at right side where we had a good view of the Jupiter models changing area and mini gym. We also had a good view of a particular lady Chinese customer in front row facing us with big boobs that threatened to pop out! Models at Jupiter were handsome as usual. Show was entertaining. But somehow I wasn't feeling the vibe. I miss my guy. I stepped out for a good 15 minutes for a smoke break with Jupiter Vietnamese waiter. He knows my guy as they were together in bar in soi Twilight years ago. He works as waiter now. I give him a tip for old time's sake.

Thanks, you gave me some courage to book, so I booked ssense 2 days before. When I asked for booking on line, they sent a ranking of their masseurs. The ranking is basically how many bookings they had in feb,...wow they are just promoting who is already more famous and ditching the one not famous. I kind of didn't understand why they are doing that in the starting and just chose one masseur C from the list who is kind of in the middle of the ranking. I booked a 2 hour Aromatheraphy Perfume Lotion + Signature sport Massage 120 min for 1690฿ My day started with sleep depravation. Was awake till 2 in the night, slept for one hour and woke up to catch my flight at 6:30 in the morning from Phuket to Bangkok. Reached my hotel at around 8:40 while my booking is at 12:30, so slept for another 1 hour in between. When I was first booking the cab, it showed that that I will reach there by 12:20, but Bangkok's traffic made me reach there by 12:50. The starting was good, they reception was very cordial, they called the masseur and he took me to a different building in another alley where the massages happen. He asked me to shower and after 15 minutes of my shower I asked him to come inside. Everything was going good until here, but then he started massaging. His massaging skills were a complete dud...and all through the dreading massage the only thing I could think was, Is this the reason why they promote the ones who are already famous more? Is this the reason C who is very good looking even in person is ranking in the middle,/lower middle? I was already very sleepy, I wasn't feeling any pressure from the massage he is doing and he was doing that back massage for eternity. After I don't know how much time, he asked me to turn to front side and directly asked if I want body to body massage ( he didn't give any sort of signal till now). I said ok and he went to washroom for 5 minutes. I thought body to body massage means everything minus anal. But no, I can't kiss on his body anywhere, I can't touch his nipples because they are too sensitive(WTH). He basically started to grind for like 2-3 minutes and after that it basically went on to me giving him hand job and him giving me hand job. The experience till now has completely put me off mood, so I asked him to stop and asked him to just cuddle for 5 minutes. After 40 seconds of this cuddling, he says he will get up and bath first which he did and after that asked me to take a bath. Remember in between all this he never massaged my front side at all. I just gave him 1000 and wanted to end this disappointment. Came back to the hotel right away and started checking H type spa's to remove that afternoon disappointment. After searching, finally chose Ganymede Spa because it has body to body massage with scrub in it's menu (may be I was trying to overcome that morning body to body massage disappointment with this name). First I asked for a person whose photo I saw in a twitter review. But I was told he was not there. Then I chose from the photos provided, but even that was not confirmed. All I was told to was come and see here. I became skeptical but I took my 5th shower of the day and went to the place by 7. When I went there, the owner who talked with me was not present at that point of time and only 2 masseurs were present at that point of time(The one I chose on Line is not there). Among the two I was neutral for both and just went with the one who showed me the menu card and showed more enthusiasm. He took me to a room in first floor, and took me to showers afterwards. He also showered in the cubicle next to me and went back to the room together. After asking me to lay down he started the massage and I was jolted awake, like man that was so so much better than the afternoon one. And this was supposed to be a H Place and that afternoon one more Massage centric. He was hitting all the correct points and I was so immersed in the massage that he had to forcibly give me signals reminding that this is an H place. His massage was very good, Body to body massage was amazing and over all a great happy ending. After that I had taken my 7th shower of the day and best one of the day as he joined in with me. Overall an amazing experience. After coming back to the hotel messaged the owner back if the one who I saw in the twitter review will ever comeback. But he said he has permanently moved away. But the owner right away replied that the one I chose afterwards would be there tomorrow and would I like to book him for tomorrow. My hands which did not even give my mind to process the information typed yes. so looks like I will be going there again today.

Phayathai BTS station, use exit 2 at its southeast corner. Walk down to pavement and continue walking south for about 100 metres. Look out for Pathumwan Resort, walk into its private driveway and follow the row of shops/cafes on the driveway's north side. Some distance in, the door to Ganymede's stairs should be on your left. I don't think the sentry box is ever manned. Even if it is, the guard won't bother with pedestrians.

continued…Installment 7: I am going to be out of pocket for a couple of days. Paradise guy is taking two days off for our so-called ‘trip’. My idea of a trip and his are entirely two different things. Guess that’s what happens when my Thai is non-existent, and his English is very limited. lol. I had envisioned we were going someplace exotic and relaxing outside of the city. His definition of trip was taking me to various places around Bangkok for two days that he wanted to make sure I saw or experienced. Anyway, that’s taking place Thursday and Friday until the evening. One of his buddies at the shop has a birthday on Friday and they are having an after-hours party once the shop closes at midnight. To be fair, he did invite me but I politely declined the invitation. I am pretty sure he knew I would, as well as was probably hoping I would! Basically I am the tourist and he is my guide. I actually laid low during the day on Wednesday. Considered going to Saphan Kwai area, but very indecisive about which shop. Ultimately decided it was perhaps a good idea to do some laundry if the next two days would be completely occupied. Actually connected with another forum member who happens to be in town now and we made plans to meet for drinks later in the evening. It will be nice to actually meet with someone in person. I headed over to Silom planning to arrive around 8:15 or thereabouts. I knew the other forum member had special plans late afternoon and would probably be at dinner around that time. I wanted to walk around and check out some of the other venues. As I was walking past Rainbow Dragon, I was stopped by their barker and I took a quick glance at their menu. I had no idea what type of club it was, and before I knew it he had grabbed my arm and was dragging me inside. It is a small place with perhaps 8 booths that can hold four persons in each, long bar with stools, and that’s about it. I sat in the first booth and ordered one drink. I was not planning to stay long. In the next booth was a gentleman who had to be at least five years older than me. Oh, and for those who may not know, this is a host bar. There was one bar tender, one host sitting with the older gentleman, the barker outside and one other person who acted as a waiter. Turns out he was also a host. There was a group of four persons sitting at the last booth down, but they left shortly after I arrived. A couple soon arrived and occupied one of the other empty booths. I finally asked the guy who took my drink order what his official position was, and he said he was one of the hosts. So, I invited him to join me and bought him a drink. We chatted for a good ten or fifteen minutes. He was just my type, too. He said the owner is from California originally and that all of the guys working there are from Myanmar. English was quite good. During our conversation, the older gentleman got up to leave. As he was heading to the exit, his host actually followed him outside. From this I kind of assumed that the host was going home with the gentleman. So, I asked the guy sitting with me if that, in fact, was taking place. He explained the owner does not allow the employees to be taken off during hours. What they do after the bar closes is their own business, but during open hours they socialize but never go off with customers. Naturally, I had to pursue that just a bit further and asked if he ever arranged to meet customers for some fun after the bar closes. Answer was affirmative, so I went one step further and asked if he would like to get together with me. Everyone saw this coming, didn’t you. lol. Exchanged contact info, and he said he actually preferred meeting people before going to work instead of when the bar closes. Closing time is 3am, so rather late to try and connect he said. That certainly works out better for me as well. So we exchanged contact info and will plan for a time to meet next week. By this time I had heard from the forum member asking if I was in the area now and where did we want to meet. He had already been to Freshboy and Goodboy, so would prefer someplace different. Options considered were Hotmale, Moonlight or Dreamboys. Neither of us were really keen on Moonlight, and I was wanting to check out Hotmale anyway to see if the young man I took off with me in October was still working there. So, we agreed to meet at Hotmale, which was right down the soi from my current location. Took me less than five minutes to wrap things up at Rainbow Dragon and head on over. Be about 30 minutes before the other forum member would get there. I knew it was early, so didn’t think there would be many customers yet. When I went inside, there were no other customers. I was the one and only. Probably about 12-15 guys in house doing their rotation on stage with no customers. lol. I still do not understand the thinking behind that. Anyway, I recognized my October tryst right away. He was still there, and he recognized me as well. Had this great big smile on his face. Couldn’t resist and did not hesitate to invite him over right away. I wasn’t about to take any chance that someone else would come in and scoop him up before I could make my move. Didn’t even bother to discuss business with mamasan. Warned the forum member that when he arrived I was already inside and might have some company with me. Also let him know that we might be the only customers for the first show. Checked with my guy to see if he would like to go with me for some playtime and he readily agreed. Only doing short term tonight. No idea what time Paradise guy will show up at the condo in the morning. Deal is sealed and paid the off fee so when we were ready to leave everything was taken care of in advance. Show started at 10pm. There were a few more customers by then, but not many. Some stayed, while others came and went…mostly went. I think at the most there were 12-15 number guys…well, minus one now. Mostly familiar faces from when I was there in October. First show as ok. Rather short. Stayed for the second show and it was actually much better. Performers seemed to enjoy the second act more as well, and it showed in their energy level. After the second show we said our goodbyes and will try to connect again in another week or so. I am occupied the next two days with Paradise guy, and the other forum member is traveling elsewhere in Asia. He will return to Bangkok in about one week. Also think one or two other forum members might be here then as well, and the mention of possibly some karaoke. Headed to the condo for several hours of glorious fun. He definitely remembered things I enjoy doing. For those curious, bar drinks at Hotmale are THB 400. Off fee was THB 500. Gave Cam THB 2000 for short term of three hours, which included tip. That did not include travel time to/from condo. Opted for taxi this trip. More time with Cam at the condo. Exchanged contact info and will definitely be seeing him again. Dang…all of these contact numbers and repeat business. Time is slipping away!

According to The Men of Thailand circa 1997, it was in Silom soi 4, but "in late 1993 the owner of Rome Club began refusing entrance to patrons thought to be gay" and the action moved to soi 2.

I read somewhere there was a Rome Club in that soi many years ago but it had burned down or something.

Pattaya is where the queens go to meet their ladyboys-in-waiting. For hunks and muscular guys, @vinapu has presented you with a few options and I believe @emiel1981 has had some success meeting muscular guys online. Note that Boyz Boyz Boyz is a host bar where customers go to get drunk with the hosts. Any sexual activity off the premises is entirely subject to negotiations with the host. They can and do say no. Mama-sans and the venue don't usually get involved.

me and Olddaddy remember parties Nero and Caligula were throwing in soi 2 when, what was then called Siam, was part of the Roman Empire. You youngsters don't know what you had missed !

while there's occasional muscle guy here and there ( BoyzBoyzBoyz , Dreamboys and XBoys are your best options ) for boy hunting part of the trip stay in Bangkok

Then they have expanded. Even on my last visit they only had the first floor, not the ground floor. Now they've taken up the ground floor too, it seems. "most of us"? You must be American 🤣 In many places around the world, the floor aligned with the street is referred to as the ground floor (French: Rez-de-chaussée; German: Erdgeschoss; Spanish: Planta baja) First floor is the first floor above that. (French: premier étage; German: Erste etage; Spanish: primer piso). I particularly love the totally logical way some lifts are numbered in Europe: (yes, lifts to me, not elevators). 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 -1 -2

One takeaway for me is how Ezra Klein mentions the need for genuine politicians and then circles back to the idea that genuineness will appeal to voters who have sensed they are not listened to. In Texas, people such as Beto O'Rourke and James Talarico fit that quality. For me, some other genuine public figures are the two I mentioned in my post above as well as Pete Buttigieg, Zohran Mamdani and Justin Jones. Overall, one might say about the piece is that hindsight is 20/20. Perhaps you are correct we should just wait. Me, I'm anxious to strategize, like Paul Wellstone did when he had a campaign booth at Gay Pride staffed with really hot young guys. Find out what works. Be genuine. Part of Democrat's problem IMO is how the GOP playbook and messaging paints an extremely radical picture that may not be true, yet as the piece shows, is now believed, that we have shifted hard left. The Dems have nothing to counter that and corporate media lets the GOP get away with it. Another clip in the piece discussed how one can't defeat peoples emotions. You can't tell a voter not to feel a certain way. Yet there is still a need for a better playbook that appeals to voters and fact checks GOP lies.

Not 100% true. John Major was clearly keen to offer Patten some kind of promotion for without him he would have lost the election to the Labour Party. He was offered a senior government position. He turned it down. He was offered a key seat in the House of Lords. He turned it down. The only job he wanted was to be Governor of Hong Kong. Yet unlike ALL previous governors, he had no experience of China, spoke no Chinese dialect, had never worked in the Beijing Embassy, and was a politician and not a diplomat. He had one aim and only one aim - to find a way of becoming some sort of hero by finding loopholes in the 1984 and 1990 Agreements by leaving Hong Kong virtually as a democratic state. Sorry but again not true - and recall I had been in Hong Kong for five years at that time and knew quite a number of civil servants (indeed, as you may well have - I just do not know). It was, let's also recall, basically only Margaret Thatcher who was determined to get the Chinese to maintain Hong Kong's status quo after 1997. She listened to neither of her two previous governors - the incredibly-wise in Chinese affairs Sir Murray MacLehose and Sir Edward Youde. She listened to none of the senior civil servants from both Westminster - notably Sir Percy Craddock her senior Hong Kong advisor - and Hong Kong (yes, many Hong Kong representatives sat in on those negotiations, including the Governor). Virtually every one was perfectly well aware that the Chinese under Deng would never accept her proposals. Thatcher came out of those negotiations with some egg on her face. In 1979, my first year in Hong Kong, there was water rationing. Then Hong Kong turned north to China who agreed that a pipeline be built to channel to Hong Kong all the water it needed from Guangdong Province. When Deng Xiao Ping told her to her face that China would have Hong Kong returned as mandated in law come hell or high water and could at a switch turn off 90% of Hong Kong's water, Thatcher idiotically proposed that the Hong Kong government would just convert oil tankers to water tankers and have them sitting in Hong Kong harbour. Yes, she really said that! At a media conference in Hong Kong after her last visit to Beijinig, she spouted a number of outright lies and poor Sir Edward Youde had to crrect her "version of discussions"! One senior Hong Kong civil servant, Barrie Wiggham, told me that Deng was adamant. Nothing Thatcher said moved him. She was left gutless having initially promised that Hong Kong would remain in British hands. Yet - and this is key - in 1984 there was no Democratic Party in Hong Kong and only a handful individuals speaking out about the need to establish democracy before 1997. And that, with all respect, is a total non sequitur. In both cases i wrote the truth. I do condemn the USA and Britain for much of their colonial deeds. The CIA getting rid of the PM of Iran is one thing. I did certainly believe that Hong Kong people did not seek democracy for they had never in their lives known what democracy meant! Almost 90% of Hong Kong citizens had emigrated from China's one-party state. But I never used the word "deserve". I was quoting a long-time senior civil servant of the territory. Surely that was obvious. Why therefore is that "surprising"? It isn't. But again you have made an innaccurate allegation. Few senior figures in Westminster wanted democracy for Hong Kong when Patten was appointed, apart from Douglas Hurd, the Secretary of State for Commonwealth and Foreign Affairs. Yet, according to Hansard, the official record of statements in the House of Commons, he had stood up in parliament and stated on July 1 1992 in a reply to a member about the increase in the number of elected members of the [Hong Kong] Legislative Council in the 1995 elections as agreed with the Chinese - "We have said that we shall discuss the 1995 elections with the Chinese, with the aim of ensuring as much continuity as possible." Note the word "discuss". Patten never discussed anything with the Chinese government. Further, the formal agreements with China already ensured an increase in directly elected members so that 50% would be directly elected by 2003. That is all in writing in agreements lodged not only with the United Nations but in Chinese law. The intention of both parties was that there be a "through train" so what was in place on 30 June 1997 would continue after 1 July 1997, the sole exception being that the Chief Executive of Hong Kong would be a Hong Kong citizen. Most British civil servants, the legal profession, the police etc. would remain in their jobs. As stated by Sir Percy Craddock, the Chinese government negotiators in 1989 had made clear that any unilateral attempt by Britain prior to 1997 to change the agreements regarding any increase in democratically elected seats in the Hong Kong legislature would result in the Chinese scrapping the agreement to increase directly elected seats to 50% and instead would impose their own conflicting arrangements. If that happened, Britain could do absolutely nothing about it. In other words, there was a procedure in place to increase democracy in Hong Kong substantially. But Patten's ham-fisted and unilateral non-discussions killed it! It has been said, although I have to add I can find no official writings about it, that John Major was incensed not only at Patten's changes but at the devious way he had gone about them. He tried to recall him back to London twice, but Patten refused. Major and many in his government were concerned, understandably, about the effect on Anglo/Chinese trade once Britain had broken its agreed promises on Hong Kong. The irony really is that very few in Hong Kong (well under 5%) had any interest in democracy after the signing of the Joint Agreement in 1984. As Sir Percy Craddock wrote in an April 1997 issue of Prospect magazine - All who look beyond the headlines will wonder why Britain, with its long and rich experience of China, should reserve its biggest mistake for the last act of the play.

BILL MAHER 3/6/26: “In the State of the Union address, Trump was bragging that he was ending wars, that the gas prices were going down, the stock market was through the roof, jobs were doing great.”

Ezra Klein to the rescue! But before I get to Ezra, I will answer with one four letter word: WAIT. Incumbent parties all over the world got shellacked because of the huge list of grievances that sprang from COVID and then inflation. It is why Trump lost in 2020, and why he won in 2024, I think. So now all the same forces are working against him. Democrats need to just let it play out. What is remarkable is that Biden and the world had no choice, I think. Neither COVID nor inflation could be stopped. Yeah, Biden did inflationary stuff. The economists I find credible say it added fractions of one percent to global inflation. Everything Trump is doing is by choice. He did not have to cut health care. Or start a war. Speaking of which, a second three letter answer: OIL. It has now spiked to $120 a barrel. Trump is fucked. This is on the girl killing girl raping war mongering felon. He is a threat to economic growth, and a threat to civilization. And now on to Ezra: Ezra Klein: This Is How Democrats Win I think that's a great piece. There are three things that struck me the most. 1. The fact that Ezra Klein is saying this is part of the problem. It confirms that college educated liberals who read the New York Times are not who we need to worry about. He quotes books with lovely phrases that people in Montana who did not go to college didn't read and don't care about. Ruben Gallego does better when he talks about young Hispanic men who want to buy big ass trucks. 2. Elitist or not, Klein understands people won't vote for a party that does not respect them. Or that they feel does not respect them. And this is hard. Newsom, who has pretty good approval ratings, goes to red parts of California all the time. And he knows that there is nothing he can say or do that will change the minds of people who have an aversion to him for who he is. 3. That said, build the biggest fucking tent we can. It is not either/or. This is exactly what makes good politicians good. Biden was very good at this, in his day. Were he younger, and had there been no COVID + inflation, things might have been different. We need a leader that can unify different ends of the party. This is why I like Newsom. Whatever his flaws, he has demonstrated he can do that in the fourth biggest economy in the world, get re-elected, and maintain decent approval ratings. I'll add one more. Be Paul Wellstone. He is now revered in Minnesota politics. When I knew him, because I consider him my mentor, he was a left wing Jew college professor who people saw as an unelectable gadfly. Democrats had not been elected Senators for over a decade. Paul convinced farmers and union people that his opponent was a rich fat cat and he would fight like hell for them. And he did. Minnesota went from a red state to a blue state on his watch. And as a US Senator he had a lot to do with it. AMLO did the same in Mexico, which was a decades long labor of passion and love. These are two examples that show it can be done. Si se puede.

Part of the Phisicus chain here in Colombia, this is a large and very busy location. Spread out over three floors, you will find a wet zone and small swimming pool, a dark room with adyacente cabañas that gets very busy, a social zone that has just enough nooks for furtive play, and a massage room that is used by the attendants present. Full sexual services on offer. The famous groping wall shared with the Relax Men’s Clb can be found on the third floor. The place is dark and hot, ensuring the crowd stays sweaty and loose. There are drinks and beer sales at the reception. Lots of group action in the dark room. You will see all types here, including many freelance escorts who will let you know the cost after letting you sample the goods. Like most things in Cali, this place goes late on weekends (noon until 4am) and Sunday - Thursday (noon until 9pm). Location: Av. 3 N #13-19, Granada, Cali, Valle del Cauca WhatsApp +57 311 3980907 Instagram. Sauna_phisicus21

I have a question for you Democrats. I mentioned before, I attended a local event with my fellow libtards and radical leftists, how our Asian American congressional rep. spoke, that he mentioned the difficulty of pleasing everyone and how expectations can be frustrating for him. I was in the second row. I caught the vibe, that he was saying Democrats (like the one that had just stood up to force him into a corner on some issue) have this expectation that Blacks, Asians, Latinos, gays and women should sit their ass down on the far liberal end of the Democrat teeter totter where they belong. Afterall, they owe everything to "us". All that said, in the end, my rep encouraged us to get in touch with our thoughts on the issues. That brings me to my question, below, in two parts. If a shift from Red to Blue is coming, then what might be a winning playbook that will keep the Democrats in the majority? and What is an issue you want the Democrats to solve? For example, I believe in a path to legal status for long-term undocumented immigrants, as well as enhanced border security. I don't mean building more walls. Imagine the improvements in monitoring the border that could have been made using the money Trump is spending in Iran and on ICE. Trump has fucked up so much that all tasks ahead for the Democrats are daunting. A winning playbook is tricky. For example, endless blaming gets old. Yet voters need to understand enough not to prevent a return to the MAGA election denier crowd. Perhaps enlist the likes of Jack Smith and Stacey Abrams.

@Tartegogo Thank you! Yes, those are the guys 🙂

I am writing this trip report about my second weekend Bangkok trip this year about 8 weeks later. I have been too lazy to write. But I have to write it now because I will be going to Bangkok for third weekend trip this coming Friday! Second weekend trip in fact happened one week after that first trip! It was booked in advance back in mid December when I found out @vinapu itinerary. I didn't get a chance to meet him in 2025 (in fact I missed him by a few days during one occasion) so I had to catch up with him in 2026. It also coincided with @ichigo trip. So we resolved to meet for weekend. Lo and behold, after I booked my trip, my guy informed me later that his visa was expiring in second week January and he would be gone in Vietnam for half a year. I ended up going to Bangkok to meet him for a memorable farewell fuck as documented in trip report at beginning of this forum topic. Many guys in bars were surprised to see me so soon and they asked, "Last week you come. This week you come again?" While the flight from Singapore to Bangkok is short, it is not cheap. It was US$350 because it was a Friday evening flight. Many people flying for the weekend. I took the same flight for two weekends in a row!

Yes. Forum member is me. Will be in Bangkok this Friday to next Tuesday.

Since it had been years since I last visited Kuala Lumpur, I decided to stop over there for two nights. I stayed at the Ibis Styles Bukit Bintang. The location is great, right on the food street, which gets very lively in the evenings. The hotel has the advantage that you don't need a key card in the elevator (there is a card reader, but it doesn't work). So you can let young people up to your room without having to pick them up downstairs. Otherwise, I was a bit disappointed with the hotel. I've stayed at Ibis Styles hotels in several cities, including Bangkok's Silom, but this one in Kuala Lumpur really doesn't meet the standards you expect from this brand. Not that there was anything particularly wrong, but with an Ibis Styles, expectations are somewhat higher than what this hotel delivers. Not only about how the hotel and rooms look, but also with regards to choices.at breakfast buffet that were limited in my opinion. As soon as you turn on Grindr in Kuala Lumpur, the messages start pouring in. Plenty of choice. Both free offers and moneyboys. And both from good-looking guys. In my case, bottoms eagerly looking for tops. According to one of the guys, Kuala Lumpur has a surplus of bottoms and not enough tops. Maybe that's why I was so popular. The moneyboys' asking prices varied enormously. I had two asking 500 Malaysian Ringgit, but also offers of 180 MR for massage and sex and 200 RM for sex from two also very good-looking moneyboys. I didn't figure out what the big difference was. Because again, both the expensive and the cheaper moneyboys all looked good. I met a guy on Grindr and met him about a year and a half ago in Bangkok. We'd had a great time that time, so I invited him back to my hotel room. He was the money guy who charged 200MR for his services. A very good offer. And the service he provided was indeed as good as I could remember from our meeting in Bangkok. As you've come to expect from me, here's a picture of him:

Bit like shooting fish in a barrel!

Last day D walked me to Foodland but he is not a breakfast guy we parted ways in front of it. Somehow, after month of travelling, today I don’t have an idea how to feel the time. Boat to Icon Siam but I don’t like crowds so returned back right away, Tried to visit Madrid but it was shut , looks that for good. So I landed in Sarica for their excellent chicken with cashews, very tasty but I think their servings are too big and I had trouble of finishing all – I’m not fan of leaving uneaten food on the plate. Afternoon I spent in the room , busy doing nothing and after dark I went to Foodland again for chat with reader, soon Kiwi306 joined us. Since I did not visit Fresh boys this trip so far , Kiwi and me agreed to meet there later on. I went to Midnight bar hoping Pey and new Lao boy will be there, Pey was , other guy had day off and I must had long , disappointed face because Pey laughed at me. That did not prevent me from offering him a drink. Then upstairs to Fresh Boys, even if toady was only Thursday bar was packed, they squeezed me in front row and I was worrying where Kiwi will be seating when he comes . Fortunately somebody left and created space that way. One of boys on the stage noticed kind of my interest and did not waste any time , as soon as his rotation finished he cam, all smiles to claim his double red tip. Kiwi suggested we check White Cat again so off we went. The same three boys in the bar but only Tae on the stage as there was another client who had both resident twinks with him , helping to finish bottle he opened. True to the form , he seemed more enamored with guy I considered much less attractive than another one . Tae come down to claim his drink and tip but neither Kiwi nor me were in offing mood so after hour there we left. In the morning I was splitting hair who will be my last companion D or L but that issue solved itself with pre-emptive message from D that he is not available tonight so L it was. Looked that he noticed I was bit disappointed yesterday afternoon and even if he did not, certainly he made for it tonight, he was so clingy and kissy that I started wondering where that will lead. We had great time , great finish to great trip and additional bonus was I did not get much sleep if any which is what I prefer before long trek home as it makes easier to catch some sleep aboard. It worked , I got about 4 hours of uninterrupted sleep at one point , enough to have very little of jet lag after arriving. Fact that arrived home at 10.45 helped. After 25 hrs and 15 minutes door to door I was finally where I started. It was great trip with Bangkok and Phnom Penh parts boy infested while Singapore , Da Nang and Phu Quoc were more or less ( 2 massages in Da Nang ) celibate and touristy. Siem Reap has always special place in my heart, boys or not, since I consider it my ultimate travel destination. You may be surprised, although likely you don’t care at all, but those 4 days there I consider my best during that eventful month. Experiment with duo diet, alternating between 2 guys was excellent idea and hope I repeat it in the future whenever it will be. It’s owing to both guys , D and L sensing well what my favorite stamps are and having excellent customer skills. They both knew what it takes to secure next appointment.

Thought I would expand on my comment in post above: 'Considered going to Saphan Kwai area, but very indecisive about which shop.' Been to Phoenix and would never return there. Did not care for that experience whatsoever. One and done. Been to Phetboys (now Love Boy) and would repeat, but do not like mats on the floor. No massage tables in any of their rooms. Communal shower, too, but that doesn't bother me at all. Communication wasn't a problem in scheduling appointments. BT massage has a very limited selection of therapists. I am assuming it must be a small shop with a handful of exclusive guys. They don't seem to share what I refer to as the stable of freelancers. 15M/27M does interest me, although 27M is a bit too far from BTS for my liking. For that reason I would opt for the 15M location. Share the same guys, plus they seem to be the freelancers shared amongst many shops. Kman seems like another good option, although some of the shared freelancers I am most interested in do not appear online for this shop, nor are they in their Line posts. One Spa seems like a good option, but as I recall from Google maps is also a bit far from the BTS station. Personal preference would be close proximity to the station...not that I am adverse to doing any walking. I do enjoy my exercise and a brisk walk is always beneficial. Would rather spend my energy in the massage room, though. lol. Home is another one in that general area, but difficult to find much information and they don't update on Line very often. Stars Man (previously G-beats) is very convenient to BTS and does seem to share the same group of freelancers. This shop interests me because they include the bath as part of their marketing. However, they are not good about daily Line updates...only occasionally do they seem to post. Very intrigued by Ganymede, and think I may actually give it a try this afternoon. Don't believe you need an appointment there. Different BTS station than Saphan Kwai, and location is a bit confusing from website vs. Google maps. I think it is quite possible the website is old and out of date and they may have moved to a new location within the last year. Need to check the most recent review on ShamelessMack2 for this place before heading out today to see if he has better info about how to get there. I am sure there are others I have failed to mention. Just sort of my informal list and reasons. Think it will be Ganymede today, then Stars Man up next, then definitely want to try Fafa near On Nut BTS.

I think it was the New York Times travel editor who once described São Paulo as “ the ugliest and most dangerous city you’re ever likely to love.” I have been there 9 times and echo this opinion.

This is the flag of French Guiana...the 2nd pic is a Mexican flag.... I'd love to play Trivial Pursuit against you for money 🤑

What I don't understand about these people - how can they not see that Pats is a shit-hole BEFORE they up-sticks and move there?

I agree, Fat Pang, or the Accidental Governor, only got the job as he lost his seat in the 1992 General election, so John Major as PM promoted him from party chairman to the last governor of Hong Kong. With no Foreign Office or Diplomatic experience, a classic case of 'jobs for the boys'.

I only kept it for a couple of years and then sold it - but not because of the Aussie bogans. I just decided I didn't want to go to Bali any more. But I almost doubled my money so, thank you Bali. I will always love you!

don't worry about your look. As long as you tip generously you may be uglier than older brother of Hunchback from Notre Dame. What may affect their treatment is lack of personal hygiene so don't forget to brush your teeth and shower. You will have fun for sure. add Arena and Prince to your roster

It's called Somjit Health Massage. Walked past it yesterday and had the Madame trying to invite me in. 2 boys doing the traditional phone thing, yes twinkly in stature. The one to the right as you look out from the back door of TukCom is called Relax@Me. At 15:00 yesterday, 2 boys on the outside table, both doing the phone thing. Also within a stones throw is Helios Massage. Turn right out of the back door of TukCom, walk past Relax@Me, turn left and it's the 3rd unit on your left. Colloquially known as the Blue Door, as the front door is painted blue. Believe this is the only place left in Pattaya / Jomtien you can get a 'Foamy'. Checking the number of shoes left outside the door will give you an idea of how many boys on duty. Not been there myself, but also local is Royal House Massage by Men. Out the back door of TukCom, turn left, cross over the road, and it's the second unit on your left. Entrance is on the right. Within the same unit, but on the left, is BB Gun Bachelors Club, which is a men only Karaoke club. Right up @Olddaddy 's street.

Hello, everyone! I wanted to resurrect my own thread with a short trip report. I was in Quito for six days and had a fun time. Grindr - I got a lot of messages but unlike Colombia, I was less wary about meeting up. My hotel has a guest registration policy (they had to register and I needed to confirm that they are okay to leave), which weeded out those who weren't serious. None of the guys I was with had problems with this policy. Skokka - This was the only website of the three (Rent Men and Mileroticos being the other two) that had escorts in Ecuador, and even then, it was slim pickings. Nevertheless, I met two guys for paid fun at my hotel. Like my Grindr dates, they both had no issues registering although one protested mildly after we parted ways. One insisted on condoms (the one who protested) and the other was fine with bareback sex. He said PrEP and DoxyPep are available at no cost, so long as you do your labs. Massages - I only went to Men's Club Spa once. Excellent massage and the play component was also good. Safety - I stayed in the La Floresta neighborhood and I Ubered everywhere (average cost is $2.50, the trip to the airport was $17). Drivers recommended Ubers once it gets dark, even for short distances, although they agreed that La Carolina and La Floresta are safe. At the historic center, my tour guide noticed a man who followed us for a couple of blocks, who then left when he noticed that we glared at him. I have an iPhone and he said that it's a popular item with phone snatchers and muggers. Cost - Because the country uses the US Dollar, things felt cheap since there was no need to convert. Set lunches at diner-style restaurants and cafes cost on average $5. Restaurant dinners were $10–$20. A liter of water at a bodega is $1; 50 cents from a grocery. Local beers are $1.50. Things to do - Not a lot outside of the historic center. Most visitors stay only for a night or two and then head to the country's more popular destinations like Baños, Cotopaxi, the Galapagos, etc. I had time to spend so I didn't mind being there for almost a week before continuing on.