PeterRS

FIrst the facts. The Study was carried out by Ipsos, the world's third largest research company, in only 30 countries between February 17 and March 3 and involved only 22,514 adults under the age of 75. It is therefore hardly very wide-ranging. But it does seem to indicate a trend. It found that Millennials and Gen Zers were more likely to identify as queer, bisexual, pansexual, omnisexual or asexual than older generations. I think this is hardly surprising as study after study in Asian countries like Japan, Taiwan and elsewhere have identified the older generations as being more anti-gay. This was certainly true in Taiwan where religious and older groups tried hard to block the gay marriage legislation. It is also no doubt true in Singapore where it is the relatively recent rise of mega-evangelical churches which, according to a 2009 Report in the Singapore Straits Times, count for a whopping 10% of the city state's charities. Why these churches should benefit from charitable status beats me, when their shenanigans have included one so-called pastor, Kong Hee of the City Harvest Church, and some of his church leaders being jailed for having misused $50 million of church funds. More than half of that amount was uselessly spent trying to develop the pastor's wife's singing career in the USA. In Los Angeles, this woman rented a $28,000 a month apartment and gave $1.9 million to rapper Wyclef Jean to produce an album - that totally bombed! When Kong was in jail, the congregants somehow permitted his wife to become the pastor! And tens of thousands still believe these thieves and their homophobic utterances. Anothe pastor, Lawrence Khong of the Singapore Faith Community mega-Baptist Church, is a magician - literally. When not screaming about gays and calling "the homosexual act the greatest blasphemy against the name of God", he runs an entertainment company and presents magic shows. Many wish he would include a disappearing act and just emerge in a puff of smoke. Thankfully, despite their best efforts, these bigots failed in their attempts to persuade the government to retain the notorious anti-gay Section 377A of the penal code. Back to the Ipsos Study. 56% said that gay marriage should be allowed legally. Women were more in favour of gay marriage than men. https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/02/us/adults-identify-lgbtq-survey/index.html The full interesting detail of the survey is here - https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2023-05/Ipsos LGBT%2B Pride 2023 Global Survey Report - rev.pdf

I hope the phone lines are properly manned to cope with demand. Those for airlines like British Airways which has recently been cancelling many dozens of flights are impossible to get through. And I wonder about the quality of English spoken. What about French, German and other tourists whose primary languages are neither Thai nor English?

There were indeed quite a few of these booklets, often with interesting information. But with respect I think your memory is not quite accurate regarding the Australian taken to Court. If we are referring to the same incident, there is an excellent report of it here - https://web.archive.org/web/20050606015724/http:/www.yawningbread.org/arch_2005/yax-435.htm For those not interested in wading through a very long article, the bare bones were these. Some may recall a travel company in the early 2000s named Utopia Tours with its office based in the Tarntawan Hotel (it actually started business in 1998). It organised gay-themed tours to various parts of Asia with gay guides, although only the guides for the evening tours took patrons to gay venues. I remember it well because it organised excellent tours to Phnom Penh and Luang Prabang for me. In March 2004, police raided the company's office alleging they were on the lookout for companies arranging sex tours for pedophiles. This was total nonsense. It was based on the flimsiest of grounds and only because they had seen some free gay magazines on a table in the shop. It was titled 'Thai Guys'. All the company's computers and files were removed and all but one of the staff detained overnight. As is usual in this country, the following day there was a media conference with the 'evidence' placed in a table in front of the accused directors, Douglas Thomson, John Goss and Robert Scobie, whose apartments had been raided. And again as usual, the police painted a lurid picture of the men engaged in sexual enslavement of children and arranging prostitution. Had it all been so simple and the full facts discovered, perhaps everything might have died down. Unfortunately Robert Scobie had been on the Australian Federal Police Watch List, although his fellow directors were not aware of this. While Deputy Ambassador in Hanoi in the 1980s, Scobie had been linked to questionable photgraphs sent in the diplomatic bag. For several years, according to the article, there had been a "simmering paranoia" about Australian pedophiles in Asia. Questions had been asked in parliament. It was alleged there were at least 20 diplomats engaged in such activity. It seemed that Scobie was being "nailed", rightly or wrongly. For a time the Australian police had a team based in Thailand to investigate the general accusations. It is even suggested that once Scobie had been arrested, the Australian ambassador went to the Immigration Department to congratulate them on the raid on Spice Trade travel (the formal name of Utopia Tours). Goss, a US citizen, and Scobie had their passports confiscated. Eventually they were returned and the case basically dismissed! But the Australians were incensed. Pressure was put on the Thai government and the case was reopened - to be heard not in the High Court where cases regarding pedophilia would normally be heard, but in the lowest Thai Court which would normally hear cases dealing with traffic offences. The trial took place in November 2004 before one judge. Extraordinarily, he gave an order that the media could not take written notes on pain of imprisonment! Scobie's private files from his home were entered into evidence even though they had nothing to do with the Spice Trade trial. At the trial it was established that Spice Trade did not publish Thai Guys. Further that the publishers had not been arrested. In Thailand porn is not acutally illegal. Trading in it is. Yet, Thai Guys was a free magazine! Scobie was sentenced to 7 months in prison and a fine of 10,000 baht; Goss got 8 months and 20,000 baht. But both were suspended and some employees had work visas cancelled. By now the Tourism Authority of Thailand had become involved. It suspended Utopia Tours licence to trade for 6 months. Perhaps oddly, the Thais really wanted the case to disappear. It was the Australians who kept pressing for more and more action. Utopia Tours eventually returned under a rebranded name (I believe it was Purple Dragon). But the damage had been done. It could not last. The company died. John Goss gave his own version of the story with much more detail in another very long article - https://web.archive.org/web/20050731080446/http://www.yawningbread.org/guest_2005/guw-098.htm

I should have made this my first point! @thaiophilus makes a very imporant and indeed serious point.

There is a timely article on today's BBC website. Although it refers to art stolen from Jews prior to and during WWII, this particular painting ended up in Japan. About to go to auction, it was spotted. It has now been returned to Poland. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65779417

The problem about airing this problem on any chatroom site is that you are going to get a wide variety of opinions. Which should you consider appropriate to your situation? It's impossible to say. Further, we know almost nothing about you apart from the fact that you mention you are living in Singapore. Are you Singaporean or an expat enjoying a bigger apartment and a better salary that most salaried Singaporeans? For my twopenny worth, it's too easy to fall in love - or to develop a strong attraction for a bar boy - on first meeting, no matter the number of nights you spend together. Put simply, I'd say that's infatuation. It's not love. With respect to you and your feelings, you need to spend 2 or 3 more visits and a lot more time with him before you can really understand what your true feelings are for him. It also helps to find out who his good friends are here. What other posters have said is perfectly true. More than one boy has been known to "love" several farang at the same time and to have each send money for his room or his family. Please also remember that Myanmar is presently in the middle of a ghastly army crackdown with many murdered and no end in sight. China is probably the eminence gris in this scenario. The last thing it wants is problems on its borders. So it feeds cash to the Myanmar army to enable it to purchase weapons - and so on and so forth. That will not end any time soon, in my view. You must also think what might happen in the future if you find your feelings for him are indeed love. Are you happy for him to continue to be based in Bangkok with all the temptations open to bar boys here? Or will he return to what I assume will be poverty in Myanmar. Would you consider asking him to move with you to Singapore - or wherever you are because Singapore is actally 1,800 kms from Bangkok but you mention 3,000 kms which is more like Jakarta? If you'd like him to move back with you, how do you get him a visa to stay more than a very short time? Can he get a work visa? Does he have any work skills that will be welcome where you live - now and in the future? If the answer is no, how do you see the relationship developing? You move to Bangkok? Or you just visit perhaps more regularly? Just thoughts.

Doing some very late Spring cleaning this morning, I came across a Bangkok Gay Guide for June 2007. I believe these were printed monthly and given out free in most of the go-go bars and other gay venues. Usefully Bangkok was split up into various sections to make it easier to find venues.Equally usefully each sub-map has a box with the main venues listed in them. It is not always easy to locate them but if you look closely they are there. I have tried to take photos of several with my phone. I see that Soi Twlight was listed under its proper name, Soi Pratuchai. Sad to see how many are closed. Yet some still survive even if not in the same locations.

What memories! I recall watching a vdo of the first edition of the British Queer as Folk and being quite amazed that it was shown on a regular TV channel, albeit very late in the evening. Hunnam was then drop dead gorgeous! I read that casting of that character had proved extremely difficult and he was only discovered a few weeks prior to commencement of filmlng. I am sure half the gays in the UK were drooling at that first fully naked gay sex scene between Hunnam as a raw 15 year old (he was 18 at the time of filming) and the older, experienced Aiden.

Do you know why Kaohsiung was stripped of the right? Was it stripped or did Washington just pip it at the post? (I have no idea - merely asking!) I have been a few times. I agree it's a pleasant city and it does have its own annual Pride Paade with tens of thousands participating. But it does not have a lot of very active gay venues. As it's not at present regarded as a major gay centre, I do question whether it would actually rival such an entrenched and huge event as the Sydney Pride. I agree thouands would descend on the city from around Asia - but from elsewhere? Just curious.

Both Soi13in and Hans are in the centre. I am sure, like Bangkok, there will be other saunas in other parts of the city with a goodly number of twinks. You are correct on two counts. I have not yet been to Soi13in. That's partly a result of lack of time and partly a concern I had when it opened that I would be too far above the average age. I understood the owner of that sauna had previously run Rainbow sauna (very close to where Hans now is located) which I did visit on a couple of occasions. Some of the guys there definitely had an attitude against older foreigners which made it feel somewhat uncomfortable. Next time I'll look forward to a visit. As for my Mandarin skill, it is very basic. Not really enough to hold a conversation.

Am I right in thinking last year it started from close to Samyan MRT station? My own view is that if a Parade is going to be a regular annual event, the starting point - and preferably the route - has to be the same each year. In Taipei with one exception the Parade has always started near the Presidential Office Building close to New Park. I recall only one year when it was switched to an open space close to Taipei 101. That did not prove popular and so the start was moved back. Even though numbers most recently were around 200,000, there was still room for almost all the marchers. Wherever it is located, there should be room for hoped for expansion of numbers in future years.

I made 2 trips to South America from Asia - one to Brazil and the second to Argentina, Chile and Peru. Both were wonderful although neither would have been possible financially had I not had a ton of air miles for business class. Both required 2 overnight flights there and back. I believe it can now be done with much better connections. Rather than fly through Europe I would probably go via Sydney or Auckland. I wish I could return as I loved almost everything on those trips. But with my now having few air miles to use, like @zombie it would be impossible, no matter how much I would love to do so. Getting back to the topic, though, I have also found air fares to Europe from Bangkok have risen quite dramatically. Inevitably, when combined with high inflation rates and massive losses from years of covid, this has to have an effect on numbers travelling long distances to Thailand. On the other hand, during my regular travels in Asia I come across so many younger guys who have first or return trips to Thailand planned. But in general these guys do not replace the slowly disappearing expats and visitors from Australia and the west as their nightlife interests are mostly different. Massages with HEs, saunas with their friends to meet other Asian guys and dancing at clubs like DJ station seem much higher on their wish lists.

I have no doubt this is correct. But will not most of the airport workers - and I stress 'most' - be travelling relatively early in the morning and then returning relatively late in the afternon or evening? This will tend to coincide with rush hour for passengers and so trains are invariably full. The local airport train as opposed to the ditched non-stop express was always intended also for local travellers who would be travelling between stations. No idea how many of these there will be but I always see a lot getting on and off at Ramkhamhaeng. However, my point is merely that they pay a good deal less for such distances than those travelling on the Skytrain and MRT.

From my understanding, the majority of local travellers are not so much those working at the airport. Quite a number embark and disembark at the interediate stations especially Ramkhamheang.

I stand rightly corrected, thank you. Dandolo was elected Doge at the age of 72 when already aged and blind. He was 84 when he led the Fourth Crusade and looted Constantinople. He died there the following year and was buried in Hagia Sophia. His tomb was subsequently destroyed by the Ottomans.

The original airport express had no stops between Makkasan and the airport as far as I recall. The intention had always been to make Makkasan an in-town terminal similar to Hong Kong and some other cities. But only Thai and 1 or 2 other airlines were ever interested. So Makkasan became a huge white elephant and the original non-stop express discontinued. Another reason was the trains on the express service were always breaking down and requiring maintenance! I agree about the iocal fares having to be reasonable. But I believe they are actually too low, the more so when you compare them with those for the Skytrain and the MRT. Travel 8 stations on the Skytrain and this costs 47 bahtI have no idea of the distance covered by 8 Skytrain stations, but looking at a map it seems Phaya Thai to Ramkhamhaeng on the airport train is very roughly the same distance as Saphan Taksin to Phaya Thai on the BTS. The Skytrain costs 47 baht. The maximum on the airport train is 17 baht. Surely the airport train is too cheap!

I really wonder why you suggest that. Taipei started its Gay Pride Parades in 2003. It did not pass a law permitting gay marriage until 2019 in which year 200,000 attended the Pride Parade. Which comes first? There is absolutely no doubt that the develpment of the Taipei Pride Parades, each of which had a different social message about inclusion and education, helped in a major way to overcome the prejudices held by those with anti-gay feelings on the island.

Yes, I agree entirely. Colonial looters were just one group. I am sure that each country with looted artefacts had plenty of locals who were very happy to steal and loot for the cash provided by rich fat cats both from their own and other countries. But somewhere we have to draw a line. We can not rewrite basic history. Nor can we change basic historical facts. You mention Haghia Sofia. But that is not an artefact. That is a building in a specific place that was built at a specific time. Sure, it was built as a Christian Church by a Christian Emperor. And the Byzantine Christians were able to hold on to it for almost a millennium. Indeed, they might have held on to it longer had it not been a result of the attempt by other Christians led by the octogenarian Archbishop Dandolo of Venice during the Fourth Crusade, a man now despised by history. While answering the call to help Constantinople, this wily thief changed course and had his fleet sail up to the city state. The end result was not only his massively looting the city but, by so weakening its defences, rendering it far more vulnerable to later attack by the Ottoman Turks. It's no accident that since the early years of the 13th century many of Constantinople's treasures are to be found adorning Venice! So much for Christian against Christian. But that's another subject! Since you mention it, on the two occasions I went round Hagia Sophia it was a dedicated Museum. We all have the ultra nationalist Turk leader Erdogan to thank for changing its status back to a mosque. But this brings us to another point. Modern day Turkey is the legitimate ruler of Istanbul. The leader of Turkey made the change. Does the world have a right to mandate that the ruler of a country does not have a right to do what he might say he has been elected to do? Another long subject! Going back to looted treasures. I believe the world as a whole has to start somewhere. So nations of the world should be the first to show an example. In the colonial era lasting several centuries, they were by far and away the largest looters and thieves. Their governments at least have an electorate behind them which may eventually take up this cause. It's useless to expect the fat cats to start the ball rolling. Indeed, I doubt if anything other than very large bags of cash would persuade them. So that's just a lost cause. Nations, though, are another matter altogether.

I'd be happy to, but I have covered quite a lot of ground already, mostly in this forum on this site - https://www.gayguides.com/forums/forum/25-gay-china-taiwan-hong-kong-macau/ May I suggest that you first take a look at the various threads that relate to Taipei and Taiwan. I think these will give you a reasonably good idea. Thereafter, do please ask for any more specific detail and I will be delighted to answer here. I hope you manage to read the thread/s about the annual Taipei Gay Pride Parade which is always held on the last Saturday in October. I think it is the most fantastic day (week-end if you are relatively young and into rowdy gay parties with loads of handsome young shirtless guys). Taipei becomes packed with relatively young - but all age groups really as I am way at the other end of the age spectrum and I have been at 7 Pride Parades - gay guys from all over Taiwan and indeed from many countries in Asia. Apologies to those who have seen these photos posted before. The other thing is that as an island, Taiwan is scenically very beautiful. About 7 years ago I took a 5-day coach tour around the island. Although I had known Taipei since 1986, I knew little else about the island - and was stunned.

That was partly the argument for many stolen artefacts being stolen in the first place by colonial looters - that they would be safer and better looked after in Museums in the colonial countries. And sorry @vinapu, I regard that as total rubbish! What right did colonial powers have to steal anything from the countries they colonised. They were nothing but thieves out for personal glory - as so many books by so many experts now agree. Lord Elgin stole the "marbles" from The Parthenon in Athens "to protect them from being destroyed by The Turks." (The Turks in that age ruled Greece). That is what he told a Parliamentary Commission in 1801, but in prising some of the artefects from The Parthenon, Elgin's agents inflicted considerable damage to them. He always stated he had a letter from the Turks agreeing to his taking them as he was in the British foreign service. But Elgin was not an official diplomat and had no right to claim them for the British Crown. The British government eventually paid £350,000 for the marbles which ended up in the British Museum where they are displayed today. Did any of that money find it's way to Greece? Of course not. Lord Elgin used it to pay off his creditors! In 2013 British Prime Minister David Cameron stated he was totally against "returnism"! So much for official British policy! Another example. The Koh-i-Noor diamond is now located in the crown which the British Queen wore at her husband's recent coronation. But it had been tactfully removed prior to the public ceremony. This was a result of embarrassment of how the diamond came to be in the royal collection. It was originally mined in India, for centuries the only country in the world where diamonds were mined. In 1739 it was stolen by the Persian ruler, Nader Shah, in a mass looting of gold and treasure that left tens of thousands of Indians dead. In 1813 by which time the British East India Company held sway in India, the diamond was finally returned to the Sikh ruler Ranjit Singh. Noted Indian historians Anita Anand and William Dalrymple wrote an excellent book 5 years ago Koh-I-Noor: The History of the World's Most Infamous Diamond. In this they finally unearthed how Britain came to "own" this most precious of gems. "For the British, that symbol of prestige and power was irresistible. If they could own the jewel of India as well as the country itself, it would symbolize their power and colonial superiority. It was a diamond worth fighting and killing for, now more than ever. When the British learned of Ranjit Singh’s death in 1839, and his plan to give the diamond and other jewels to a sect of Hindu priests, the British press exploded in outrage. “The richest, the most costly gem in the known world, has been committed to the trust of a profane, idolatrous and mercenary priesthood,” wrote one anonymous editorial. Its author urged the British East India Company to do whatever they could to keep track of the Koh-i-Noor, so that it might ultimately be theirs." And that is precisely how Britain came to steal the diamond. In 1849 the British imprisoned one of Singh's heirs, 10 year old Juleep Singh, and his mother. In return for their freedom, they forced him to sign over the Koh-i-Noor diamond. The boy duly signed. The diamond was given to Queen Victoria in London. To suggest that this was anything other than outright blatant theft is utter nonsense! And further to suggest that Britain should still keep it is monstrous! I give high praise to many of Hong Kong's top Chinese businessmen. Many have been buying back priceless Chinese artefacts stolen by western powers and then donating them back to China. As anyone who has visited China knows, museums like the Shanghai Museum in People's Square are world class facilities. To suggest that stolen artefects would today be destroyed by their return as the Bamyan Buddhas (I cannot find any reference to Banyan Buddhas) were by the Taliban is a completely false argument, sorry to say. These Buddhas had not in fact been stolen!

Thanks to my partner's checking on some of the South American sites, I am staggered at how amazingly handsome many of the Columbian boys are. On my two South American trips (from Asia) I kick myself for not having included Columbia on the itineraries! As for Asia, I hope more readers will start to think about Taiwan and especially Taipei instead of always it being Thailand or The Philippines. I realise there will be concerns about not knowing the city and its gay places, not being able to speak Mandarin or read signs etc. Yet just on the apps alone there are many very cute Taiwanese young guys looking for the company of a westerner - often an older one.Most will speak reasonable English. On my trip last week, I had one young 20s guy all but desperate to travel up from Taichung (170 kms away) to spend a day with me! Taipei now has a plethora of gay venues from busy gay saunas and hot springs to gay bars and cafes, fetish clubs, gay dorm-type hotels with single and double rooms but where most guys walk around naked - and so on. Other cities are not so well endowed (sic) with gay venues but some are well worth a visit for a day or two. There it's the apps that will be humming and calling you! Plus travel is now so easy with the inexpensive high speed train linking Taipei in the north and Kaohsiung in the south in less than two and a half hours. For first time visitors it's probably best to consider a gay guide to take you around for the first couple of days. Or if you're adventurous, just look at some of the gay websites and get a map. Or even look at posts made here. I have no idea about flight costs from Europe and the USA. All I know is that Bangkok/Taipei flights on China Airlines are still what they were pre-covid and will continue as far as November year - less than 10,000 baht return including one 20kg bag and a large meal on board. And the service is excellent.

Since Aniki died 2 years ago, most of the discussion on saunas in Taipei has revolved around the relatively new Soi 13in. It certainly remains THE sauna for meeting mostly young Taiwanese and other Asians, especially at the week-ends when it always seems packed with way over 100 cute guys. But another sauna is undergoing something of a rebirth! For at least 2 decades, Hans Mens Sauna near the Red House gay complex of bars and cafes has continued to attract mostly older Taiwanese with occasional university students after classes and on a Saturday. The last time I went pre-covid it was pretty run down and sleazy, its one main attractive feature being a hot pool where you could sit and watch guys taking their showers, those having emerged from the very dark steam room often sporting sizeable erections. Four months ago it moved two blocks further up XiNing South Road into totally new premises. It now occupies the entire 8th floor of Wan Nian Building. It has obviously been designed from scratch and is spotlessly clean. It obviously hopes for a large number of patrons as I counted more than 300 lockers. I went twice, the more active being late on Saturday afternoon. Since it is so spread out, I could not accurately estimate the number of patrons but I reckon at least 70. Most seemed to make a beeline for the two steam rooms, at least to start their visits, and these were pretty active. The facilities also include a sauna, TV room with reclining loungers for relaxing and watching one of the regular TV movies, a corner with a long couch showing porn, a karaoke lounge, a decent number of private rooms (but not nearly enough if it ever gets packed) and about 4 totally dark spaces with mattresses. It also has an open-air balcony which I did not venture on to. I rarely if ever have met anyone I knew at a Taipei sauna. This time I was attracted to a young guy who came in and seemed to smile at me. After he had changed into his towel, he came up to me and said, "Obviously, you do not remember me!" I hate it when someone says that, but fortunately he went on, "It was at the hot spring about 4 years ago when I was 18. I only spoke a little English then but we chatted a little." Then the icing on the cake, "Really nice to see you here!" Needless to say, after he had showered and we had met up in a steam room, we chatted a bit and then proceeded to a dark room where we had a really great time. Afterwards we exchanged Line IDs and will keep in touch. The one thing the new Hans lacks is ambience, but then few attending will be looking for that. The walls are mostly industrial concrete and the floors linoleum. But overall I thought the clientele had moved down an age bracket or two. Clearly some guys were in their 20s but I reckoned most were between late 20s and mid-50s - except for me, that is!! To get to the sauna, probably the best way is to go through the Red House from near the subway exit to Sol Bar at the very end on XiNing South Rd. Exiting Sol, turn right, cross over the traffic intersection and walk up about 80 meters to the next intersection which is from the pedestrian area. Across the street you will see a large building in green. This is the Wan Nian Building. Find the entrance on XiNing South Road and walk through the small stores (a bit like Terminal 21 in Bangkok although these are mostly watch shops). There is no sign in English for the 8th floor, only one with two Chinese characters on a blue background. The lifts will be on your left. Entrance is now NT$400 (US$13), NT$50 more than at the old premises. I noticed there is a hotel on the 6th floor. No idea what it is like but I imagine pretty inexpensive. On a more general note, as far as the apps are concerned, I gave up on Blued a couple of years ago and was a bit surprised that some of my Taiwan friends had also ditched the app. Grindr was arguably the most active for young guys seeking older westerners, but Hornet and Jack'd were not far behind. I did venture out one evening to the gayish Hot Spring, Huang Tzu. Not as many guys as normally the case, but then it was very hot in Taipei last week and a hot spring is better suited to cooler if not colder weather. Still, there must have been 60 - 70 guys there with some as usual being agressively handsome.

I feel desperately sorry for Ugandan gays. I assume those who can afford it will elect to leave for other countries, but with many African countries holding on to British colonial anti-gay sex laws, I wonder to which countries they might consider moving.

In all my visitis to Taipei, I have never had a problem with flight times - until yesterday afternoon. Returning to Bangkok there were a lot of clouds and we had been advised in advance that it was raining at BKK. On several occasions an aircraft I was on from other destinations has had to circle for up to 30 minutes, usually around the Pattaya area while waiting for a rain storm to pass over BKK. Throughout my career and a vast number of flights, though, I have perhaps surprisingly only rarely experienced aborted landings for one reason or another. Yesterday the China Airlines flight had two goes at landing and both were aborted. So we had to fly up to Chiang Mai and sit there on the tarmac for an hour for refuelling before we could spend another hour flying back to BKK. By then the storms had passed and landing was easy. We were, though, four hours late. Several passengers were understandably very concerned about their connecting flights. Arriving at 20:05 instead of 16:05 most had missed theirs and I expect one or two might have had to wait overnight. As the rainy seaosn gears up, members who might be connecting at BKK might bear in mind the possibility of rain delays when making flight bookings.

Whenever I have taken the train it has invariably been full. Perhaps this is because most occasions were at or close to rush hour. I do feel, though, that 45 baht each way for an airport train is almost ridicuously cheap. In Hong Kong for roughly a similar length of ride it is close to 500 baht with 2 stops before the end of the line. The Nartia express in Tokyo is about the same, although the journey distance must be double with no stops, unless you take a train going beyond Tokyo station which is then a bit more expensive.