NIrishGuy

I have a horrible feeling Christian wasn't actually joking there perhaps ?? Christian, care to confirm or otherwise ?

Farang are of course always welcome in Ya Ya Bar but you're right if a crowd of Thai's sit around the front it can look like a "closed shop", I mentioned this to Bas one evening in conversation and he's aware of it but he also was very clear in reminding me that they also have Thai customers and it's not a case of just him and his mates sitting bored stringing out their drinks all night waiting for the next farang to come along and I hope he doesn't mind me saying this but he did point out that typical Thai customer/s are great business for him as in his own words when Thai's go out to party amongst themselves money is a non issue and they'll spend just whatever and maybe between 5000 - 10,000 baht on a night out ( with a lot of that going into his till ) without a second thought, whereas maybe he'll bunch them up to free up some space for the one lone one farang walking along the Soi who will then come in and totally ignore everyone else ( perhaps to be fair as maybe they don't "feel" welcome) and they'll proceed to nurse one or maybe two beers for the next two hours whilst complaining that the beers not 99 baht. So as a business man I can see his dilemma and I think in general he does get the balance about right and I've never seen him not go out of his way to make EVERY customer feel welcome even if it means him leaving his "profitable" company for a while and I've had many enjoyable nights there with him and the boys and some other passing farang ( and those very same Thai friends of his who joined us or me them). So I guess the thing is us remembering that we farang aren't some bars ONLY source of custom anymore on any given night and actually much to my own surprise and amazement on my last trip a go go boy friend of mine called me to say he was out with 3 mates and did I want to join, me of course expecting the farang pays all rule to kick in said no thanks and when he realised what I was thinking said NO ! we not working, come out and join us just for fun, so I did and sat in delightful shock as over the course of the night each of the boys paid their way and bought their rounds - and bottle of whiskey ( as did I of course) but all totally equally and shared in turn AND as the bar was aware the Thai guys were paying we got everything at a MUCH lower price then if I'd of been paying too ( including my rounds I'm pleased to say) so when we see Thai guys sitting about drinking there's a fair chance they're out of the rip just like we are, but just spending a lot more money whilst doing so perhaps ! But mainly I'm with Anon on this one as if there's already a table full of Thai guys all drinking then just pull up and chair close to them, say sawatdee and smile and sit back and and see where the night takes you :-).

Just for an update to this thread as mentioned on other boards it appears that DAVE Club has now closed, apparently ( allegedly) due to the illness of the lady owner, time will tell as to whether this is the reason or will it perhaps open again closer to high season or be bought over ( by the police ? :-)....but either way as of Sept 2014 Dave is currently closed it seems.

Yes that activity is a pain in the ass and not for any shy reasons as like your self I couldn't care less but I find it DOES impact on quality of sex you can have as the Asian guys are in my experience terrified of someone watching them and several times right in the middle of a damn good fuck session with me they've stopping dead to look up to the top of the walls to ensure that they're not being watched (or filmed on phones) which is off putting to say the least. They should / could perhaps have an area where people who don't care about being watched can go and so that those who want to watch can go and all get off thus leaving all the rest of their patrons who do quite rightly expect and deserve SOME sort of privacy when in a cubicle get it - and now I'm at it what about putting a bloody lock of some sort on the doors to avoid all that effort of having to pull the bed across to jam the door shut, which as they've heavy beds could nearly put one's back out if you're over 40 or so, in mean what is THAT all about ?

Without giving too much info anyway let's just say it came from just one down from the horses mouth so to speak i.e. from a Copa go go himself who's has only fairly recently Copa to go work elsewhere ( totally away from the go go scene) and who has been a friend of mine for a few years now and who passed that info on to me in a totally non vindictive way and certainly without any malice intended towards the place etc. Actually I don't disagree with you about how the water "looks " but I'm guessing that once those powerful stage lights hit that /any water just about anything would look sparkly and clean no matter what the truth was perhaps, however when I said something about it looking refreshing on a hot day I got a very screwed up face and the comment about "noooo, that water dirty and freezing etc, as the water is not heated in any way I believe. But hey I'm always open to be corrected, so, ok, so which of us are volunteering to go for a dip first and report back ! ? :-)

In which City ? If you mean Pattaya Copa I guess would be the obvious choice there I guess - where I have it on good authority that the water in that particular tank is both freezing cold and none to clean ( actually the word filthy was used when being described to me ) so rather them than me !

Pity that water seems to be a shitty brown colour and hadn't got more of a Red tint Moses or you could have organised a quick parting or two for them while you were there perhaps ! :-)

Yes RIP - and worse as I assume his lung infection was perhaps linked to some other initial cause such as TB ( or worse) ....and if so so sad as that and whatever else if the case could and should have been curable if treated early and consistently :-(

The last time I checked ( about 4 months ago now) I was told that they hadn't their website up yet and that it was "under construction", but I got the feeling that that was the Thai version of under construction ie well you might see one someday but I wouldn't hold your breath on that for a while perhaps.

:-) thank you for the thought that that one was down to me but unfortunately there is no credit die and that entire post was a cut a paste from the linked source I'd copied in below it. I had added my comment to the too of the post which would have made it obvious the rest was a paste but GB edited my one line contribution out but annoyingly left the rest, so credit in this instance goes to some BBC staff reporter and not me I'm afraid.

He he for a minute there I thought I was reading the venerable teachings and text from of some ancient Porn God scriptures lol :-)

Alas I wish I could lay claim to such a well thought out phrase but as anyone who reads most of my posts will agree the above is way beyond my level of a basic grasp of english ( and not even that most times lol) so someone else must get the credit for the above unfortunately but certainly not me.

^^^ Really ?? - even if a totally unelected one who secured their position by means of force or the threat of same - and that's not a comment on the activities of the current PM or otherwise but more just a question as to is it worth having a PM in ANY Country at ANY price and to hell with everything else ?

it seems to change as the day / night goes on with perhaps older guys earlier and younger later ( especially the days when the foam parties are on !! ). i have meet both of the types that you describe there and in fact I am still seeing and talking daily to one of those same twinky types that you mention and he's a really lovely guy, I never in a million years imagined I would hook up with some random guy in a sauna and a year and a half later still be in touch and seeing him and bringing him to Pattaya from Bkk etc, just shows you never know how a random sauna trip can end up, so just go, with no preconceptions and take things as they come ( no pun intended) is my advice.

I consider a trip to Babylon to be nothing more than a good exercise work out usually, with perhaps the vague chance of a fuck thrown in for good measure if ones lucky just usually, as by the time you do that whole walking aimlessly round and round and round thing like some crazed zoo animal pacing in its cage you've usually burnt off way more calories than a typical gym session anyway ! :-)

The no wallet thing is probably sound advice in general but alas for me not always practical as my massage tends to be a spur of the moment thing when I'm out and about and so inevitably I usually have some form of wallet on me already. The spreading cash between pockets thing - to be honest I'm not sure just how much use that would be, ok maybe if you only have a few thousand baht on you then perhaps, but as I was one of the guys who got dipped last year in one of those very massage places when I walked in to find the wee bugger rifling through my wallet ( and so pockets to get that) I'm not sure that not having a wallet would have helped much unfortunately and if anything might actually have made it easier for him to try and clean me out even faster than he was already doing as the thing that slowed him down was having to go through my wallet and try to work out what he could pinch without the theft being immediately noticed. He had actually totally ignored a reasonably large bunch of 1000 and 500 baht notes that I'd had in my pockets ( which he'd placed carefully on the bed to be no doubt returned carefully to my pockets intact when he was done as he obviously assumed ( wrongly) that I would be aware of just how much was there in the first place and that I was probably going to use that amount to pay him later, but so he was intent on going for the BIG money towards the back of my wallet but all whilst still carefully covering his tracks by even leaving the existing correct denomination of notes sitting to the front of my wallet untouched in case i had a quick look he unfortunately for him screwed up as for all his smartness his entire plan was blown away by being to bloody ( or deaf ?) stupid to think that I just might have intentionally returned from the shower early and was literally standing watching him the whole time while he was engrossed doing all of this ! lol If it's any help to the OP Blue Boy massage provide you with secure lockers in which you can leave your valuables and you retain the key ( although being Thailand I STILL wouldn't say that system is fool proof but it's better than nothing and I've never experienced any problems there)

Damn !! So THAT"S where I've been going wrong then ! :-(( lol

From reading it I'm guessing that was from the previous moral clean up campaign, which like all things in LOS seem to come and go like the seasons in order to benefit just whichever person happens to be in power that month when they believe it suits them / their moral crusade ( which just like the incumbent rulers all usually end up being equally all short-lived - thankfully), so based on my last visit I would say that yes Babylon is certainly worth a visit, just to say you've been of nothing else.

And be sure to watch your wallet like a hawk in at least one if not more of those venues :-(

Can anyone expand on this as Babylon was never quite that dark a place anyway so with the exception of the very small dark area there I can't imagine the lighting would or could have changed that much or at least enough to diminish the enjoyment of a visit and what of the "more rules" - what rules exactly perhaps ?

......... and the difference from many other places we all frequent would be ?? :-)

We should add that that's the name of the Go go bar and not an instruction as to how you should attend, although being Thailand that is of course up to you, but definitely not recommended. lol

While Nong is a nice guy etc if you're booking make 110% sure you tell him something like if you give me a room with a hard bed I'm checking out immediately as like you I had put my request in writing to him and both he and I know we've had that same conversation several times now and much to my annoyance he TOTALLY ignored me in the hope that I'd have just have forgotten about it by the time I got there it - which I didn't, but after my giving off a little bit to him and him then going and getting a softer mattress for me the next morning it turned I got my own back as by the time we got it sorted and up to my room I was "busy" again so I told him not to bother ( much to his annoyance at that stage) so our mutual annoyance all sort of balanced out, so do be VERY clear with him that you're not just "hoping" for a soft bed but BOOKING as a MUST and not as a hopeful request perhaps.