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all that messaging back and forth seems to do more harm than good as it gives an opportunity for excuses and huge wastage of time. I tell them be here at that time and it seems to be working very well. Few times they missed their time I was gone and found new opportunities ie. my money went somewhere else. I know lesson was learned. I'd take that absence as warning sign but still would give him a chance but whole phone thing showed clearly he is not interested and I'd cut it out very fast, but as OP noticed , lesson learned

it could be worse, imagine him clinging to you every second of each day ( Ok, bathroom breaks excluded ) and at end getting very emotional at good bye part. At least you got your freedom

Room at IResidence looks quite nice. Never stay there but passed by it many times on my way from Chong Nonsi to soi 3. Location is superb indeed. Sorry to hear your QBE / quasi boyfriend experience / did not work. But if we don't try we will not know, right? It's one thing to have fabulous 1-2 hours massage or short time but long time is different matter. You right that guy don't need to spent every waking hour with you in such arrangement although in the room I'd say he should be available all the time. Its wise though to give him free time outside hotel. When I took Z from Pattya to BKK in Sept rule imposed on him by me was that during day he is free man but at night time he should be with me in the room ( it did not work quite lie that but we were close catching for lost night time in a broad daylight). Your smoking was likely not reason for his behavior although it's always nice to be considerate. Yes you could communicate better what you expect, it always works as guys are not mind readers and signals we send may be misinterpreted. If you enter room together and and your first moments are spent on the phone instead of on him, that is unmistakably signal that he can do the same - not sure it was a case. Strong prolonged hug, including wandering had here and there ( although not THERE ) it's always first thing i do after door are closed. I get feel of him and he gets reminder what he is here for. No, you did not need to spoil him more , guys are coming with us not to be spoiled , they expect cash compensation and spoilage and gifts are not substitutes for it, just icing on the cake even if very generous. Whole phone thing could be avoided either by communicating clearly he should put it away or if you shy to do it , by placing your hand on the screen so he can see that you don like of what he is doing. Works for me 100 % 1000 and even 2000 for a whole night is not overwhelming tip for BKK standards but if that's what he asked for that's fine. refusing that 1000 / plate buffet was right thing , it would sent wrong signal as to your spending habit and potential. After few good days , yes, but not at the first try In my opinion you did not do anything wrong other that not stopping phone nonsense immediately . As often , memories of first encounter for both of you did not translate into anything exciting after months of absence. One of those cases when we wonder what we saw in that guy at the first place. In future it will most likely happen again with other guys as well. Don't worry about anything , just carry on with burden of fun. If he contacts you looking for another time together if you feel like seeing him forget about malls and restaurants , bring him right to the room and tell him to leave that phone off moment he pulls it from his pocket.. Do the same with yours. If you don't want to see him , just tell him that it's not option for now, don't lie about seeing in few days if you don't have such intention. If he asks why, mention that phone " you like your phone more than me' for example. Have fun and don't forget about us here, we are waiting ...........

I did not have anybody particular in mind but it happens very often in all places , I hope guy at least will look at me and fake a smile but to no avail so I'm forced to pass him on. It's why I offed only two Moonlight models (plus one who was not model yet when I offed him ) even if I like a look of almost all of them

don't look for excuses, look for ways of doing it, LOL For plenty of us here English is not a first nor even second language so don't worry

that can be safely said about any model and in fact any guy, there will be always those who look at him with awe all the way to those who will never get what's so attractive about this or that guy. This is lesson I learned from multiple visits of bars in company of other members. It's why recommendations as well as bad reviews must be always taken with pinch of salt and gulp of cold water. Picture says even less than words, two dimensional guy may look differently than live and warm on stage in three dimensions with broad smile ( and a shoulders ) or on opposite side with grumpy look " I don't like being here and I don't like you either" dissolving in acid all handsomeness or/and cuteness impression.

thank you for the link, I also noticed that Asian or at least south-east Asian guys don't like prolonged eye-contact and always are asking ' what?" when I look intense into their eyes but I soothe them with ' you are so handsome' response

you are waiting for your trip and we are waiting for your report , LOL I don't know about Philippines but you should have very pleasant weather in Thailand in January

from what I recall he was non offable model

I did it last year as reported - I messed up and booked both Zing and Ambiance for the same 2 nights, as both were non refundable but also cheapest rooms I kept both and actually , since my offs were from Boyztown I used Ambiance for entertaining them at night

to be honest , when I was typing my report I was actually surprised to realize how much fun I managed to squeeze in. I generally sleep very little like late Margaret Thatcher and in Thailand even less. "Other activities" were generally restricted to business hours and with two exceptions there were no early meetings. When looking in the mirror - I even envy myself thinking about that trip . No , luckily for me I did not need to use parallel hotels. Only case of parallel was day 5 when I paid for Baan Suoy but finished up at VSpace but it has nothing to do with 'other stuff ". I , for one, if conditions will be requiring it would consider parallel booking wise and workable idea. It's better than constantly looking behind my back . Specially in Thailand where both hotel and taxi prices are very user friendly. Check also PM

I did not notice reservations in Moonlight so far and better they don't start that nonsense but truth to be told neither in Aug nor on last trip I did not go to those comfy seats in the back , I like those in second row from the sage close to the shower stall. You are right about that Jupiter right side , this is where we were on day 8, on another hand on day 3 with Gold and Anddy we were seating at front of the stage it it was too loud as well.

I did not mean by ordering expensive dishes they abused me but rather abused situation. I invited them and don't mind paying but still find it odd when bill is say , 800 baht and out of that 200 is for what I consumed and 600 is for what my guest did so warned readers to watch for what is ordered. Certainly I will be watching my beef is not as much size of the bill as discrepancy between how much was my and how much was guy's part. I noticed this excessive ordering as well and I'm pretty sure it's cultural thing - boy is expecting that what he orders will be shared between us, way Thais are eating. I, on another hand order what I want to eat and don't need to supplement it from 'communal' dish. Usually I just say clearly 'order what you want to eat , I will have chicken with cashew nuts or whatever"

# me too , if only because his younger look is gone forever

Day 9 and final notes In the morning we did not drag things as I had flight to catch at noon, another in-style trip to Foodland in time for me to get that coveted 65 baht breakfast deal, rest of 450 bill were for whatever Oud consumed to maintain his musculature. 50 baht change went to hand of lady who served me and my boys quite a few times this trip , I don’t even start to think of what kind of reputation I have in her eyes but at least she must have noticed I like muscular specimens. Back to hotel, fact packing, last peek at the forum and off to Swampy by regular BTS / Airlink train way. I budgeted very well this trip without a need for last minute ATM withdrawals and found only 11 baht leftover change in my pocket. With no cleaner in sight I just placed it in tip box in one of food stands at the airport. Window seat to Taipei with very good view over Thailand , Laos and Vietnam and then over Taiwan. Connection time was short , just enough to check e-mails and forum and return flight was without any doubt my best long-haul flight ever ! Economy class was quite empty so I had whole row of seats in the middle section for myself enabling me to sleep in almost normal position . Out of my grand plans to read 4 numbers of THE ECONOMIST and 300 pages book only 1 ½ of magazine was utilized, rest I spent sleeping just like bourgeoisie in the business class. On arrival upon learning I’m coming from Thailand I was directed to go to regular channel for further interrogation but other officer was more sensible and just waved me away. 24 hours short of 5 minutes from time I closed door at Baan Silom I entered home , returning from Thailand for 20th time. Final reflections This was second time I went all the way just for 1 week, last year I had my doubts about sensibility of such short trip but it worked well. This time only confirmed what I knew already , yes it makes sense even with such long flight. GGOBKK once commented that on short trip we are more focused and I agree. GoldMember in another thread responded to 18past19’s query that ‘ short trip is better than no trip “ and I agree even more. With every day being different and being entertained by different guys and meeting so many members for the first time and few meeting again after some absence it actually feels I was there much longer than I did. So chances are in future I may repeat such a treat again and again. Going back in 27 days from return from previous trip was less a treat. Sometimes I had feeling that wow! and novelty buzz factor was bit diminished. Couple months gap would be better but nothing I could do, I learned about that opportunity only few days after I booked my end of Aug trip. So I could say yes or no but I only look stupid so yes was only option and I’d do the same tomorrow. If I knew earlier I’d probably just stay longer after end of this trip as coming earlier was not an option. Strong baht stings a bit and BKK prices are becoming serious, specially tips for long time . On another hand and it may be just coincidence at the moment , guys seem to drop time watching. It was almost universally me who was chasing them out of bed in the morning. With exception of Moonlight #9 I engaged only known quality and it worked. Pocket felt it but performances were worth expense. I had feeling that those guys really appreciate repeat custom and not because shortage of customers. It was first time ever then guy came to the room to apologize in person that he is not able to keep his side of agreed deal, usually they were no-show or decided in the room to announce change their mind. What I noticed also was that with one exception and even that was in the morning after we waked up anyways , none of the guys I was hosting turned on TV There’s some of sour grapes too. I universally ask my long time off if they are hungry before we go to hotel and also treat them if they wish with breakfast. I noticed some signs of abuse ie. they picked up most expensive dishes , usually seafood. It’s not fair when say 75% of 800 baht restaurant bill is spent on treating one’s guest. I did not mind so far but when it become too blatant and visible I resolved to watch that and veto if dish is too expensive or state up front that I have only 500 or whatever on me so watch what you order . Meeting with members is always pleasure and highlight of every trip , this time stars aligned even more and I managed to see for the first time Drim Voiz, CTCI8F,18past 19, Gold Member and reader after exchanging messages and reading reports for years. I’m happy Anddy become part of my adventure quite a few times this trip and that I managed to see Paulsf again as he arrived few days after I departed in Sept and kept seat warm for my return just 2 days before his departure. My apologies to Pattaya based members- williewillie , aussie_ and biguyby that I did not report my arrival but nature of this trip was such that I was not even sure I will be able to come to Pattaya at all until day before. Now back to great unknown: when will be next trip? I do my best next year as always but 2020 will not be my usual year and there are some fundamental things I need to take care of before I venture to LOS, But I will, that’s sure.

but only when I'm in Kao San area which is not too often

some sexy legs there

Day 8, almost last We weren’t in rush to leave bed but finally at 9.30 stomachs alarmed that it’s past breakfast time so we rushed to Foodland where surprisingly A ordered exactly the same American Breakfast I did. As it was past 9 it cost us whooping 81 baht a piece instead of 65 baht special offered between 5.30-9. Today “other thing’ took me to Kao San area so I used an opportunity of being nearby to walk length of that world- famous backpacker street before I returned to Silom civilization. Not sure it’s coincidence or bad luck but it was third time in row I was in that area in last few trips and it’s always during quite heavy rain. Even more surprising was to learn upon return that that rain stopped somewhere because Silom area was completely dry. What surprised me at Kao San as I was looking for a shelter and nice internet café would do, there was none. 10-15 years ago there was probably one in every third unit but now thanks to smartphonery even in such backpacker ghetto they were extinguished to oblivion. Another thing I noticed was that tourists trinkets and souvenirs were in my opinion more varied and innovative than the same stuff at Patpong night market, no wonder crowds at Patpong are mostly absent. Returned to hotel by tourist boat for 60 baht almost in time for A’s scheduled 3-5 visit so we could continue exploring world affairs and our bodies . Than another, last one ‘ other things ‘ meeting and at 8 p.m. return to Madrid Pizza for a dinner with Anddy and CTCI8F. Again we shared our selection and talked till 10 or so , no doubt to delight of ladies there. One of advantages of Madrid is that place is quiet and discreet so no need to hush voice while combing through patrons . Then at my suggestion we went to Jupiter as it’s my last night and I was hopping Oud , transplant there from Tawan will be present so we can have our 12th reunion. As I stated before while show is excellent and guys super handsome Jupiter is NOT my favorite bar . Dearth of smiles on boy’s faces, loud, talk-preventing music and obnoxious practice of reserving the best seats and not factors I particularly like . But there Oud was pumping some iron so I walked to him right away and he did not waste time by asking ‘I go with you after show?”. It’s always nice and efficient to deal with known quality. Invited him for a drink of course. In meantime guys were presenting themselves , always eye pleasing sight. It looks that my # 9 from Moonlight from day 5 found his way to Jupiter to become # 23 although I’m not 100% sure as he seem to overlook my presence . Mekhin is still there looking great although less muscly than before. As usual ladies in attendance attracted most of guy’s attention , nothing new there but at least they behaved and it was fun to watch as they pretended to be shy when boys approached them up close. But like at Dreamboys level of sound bordered on idiotic and I feel sorry for guys who go through that night after night. At one point we said good bye to CtCI8F who is leaving early tomorrow and at midnight Anddy , Oud and I left bar as well , we say good bye to Anddy on Silom and then on Oud’s motorcycle ( gift from lady customer ) we traveled in style to Foodland to get some meal before continuing to Baan Silom to complete our reunion. Oud confided then at one point in bar he was approached by the girl about an off but he decided to be loyal to his previous commitment of going with me. I thanked him warmly but also told him that it was smart move as if he reneged on a deal chances would be I will never off him again. He is great guy , in Tawan was one of overlooked also-runs but move to Jupiter did him good and he stands out as one of bigger guys there and feature of few shows every night. In 12 meetings I never had any problems with performance or timing so when in the room he asked for a rise of my regular tip I gladly accepted such modest request. Great and very warm night , nice to be back thought I falling into his muscular embraces.

and it worked !

Day 7 Dam was not in the rush in the morning and neither was I but at one point I realized that I still have ‘ other things’ so hauled us out of bed and after packing up , out of hotel too. Since it turned out he lives not far from there he decided to go home, I rolled my suitcase to Baan Silom , 6th hotel I was staying in 8 days of this trip. I know it sounds excessive and in fact it is but I have fun exploring new digs as it makes impression I’m on the move. I generally don’t like stationary vacations and Thailand is very distinct exception for reason not need to be explained. To my delight room was just being made so I could check in after few minutes. Then I went to Suriwong for breakfast , I decided to try nice looking Café Club across the road from Patpong. Not a cheap place but their 399 ‘big breakfast ‘ was really big , tasty and filling, even if at check out it turned that they are adding VAT and service charge to a bill so 399 become something like 480 ( read 500 with a tip although since service charge was included I shouldn’t be so generous). Once a trip I can splurge on a meal, why not , specially that their serving kept me running well into the evening . Good that “Other things ‘ today weren’t too absorbing so I even managed to return to hotel in the afternoon for 3-5 nap. At 6 I was already exiting Phya Thai station in search of Gannymede spa nearby. No sign from main read but with map in my head it was easy to find. Captain explained me their menu and only then called guys , all 4 of them to emerge from behind the curtain. All well muscled but more athlete than hunk type and as usual, broadest smile earned 1 hr body to body massage for 800 baht with minimum tip of 1200. Good job by fully versatile bi-guy although judging by how fast he stood to attention girls are probably afterthought for him. Place is very well appointed , decorated and maintained and it’s fully recommended, they do 4 hands as well. Return to Patpong or rather Thaniya and walk to Moonlight hoping A will be there . Yes and at his best at that showing his washboard abs to sparse at that time audience. You should see his smile when I entered and motioned him over right away. Off fee paid with promise to pick him up later and I told him he is free till midnight , if he finds other admirer in meantime I will wait for his return. I finished my drink –at Moonlight you pay for drink before you enter bar unfortunately and went to Dreamboys as scheduled by me and CTCI8F yesterday. I took a bit circular way through Thaniya and Silom and surprise – I met Alek , former Tawan guy whom I took to Pattaya back in Jun 2016 for quasi boyfriend experience. We recognized each other immediately after all those years. Last time I saw him was in Dec 2016 at Tawan took hissy fit because I offed somebody else than him . Upon learning I’m going to Dreamboys he tried to join but I firmly said that I’m going with friend and only with him, So our good bye was less smiley. Oh , well. At Dreamboys I arrived first and from very beginning I was not sure whom admire more – boys on the stage, they had few hunks there new and old although #65 , my last off month ago in Sept or one of two Japanese guys sitting on bench nearby. I did not measure but at least until my friend arrived I was focusing on Japanese hunk more, one of those who would give Moonlight models run for their money . Show started at 10.15 I guess and was quite long , to a packed audience. No “special” show but plenty of performers for big cock , among them one of my eye delights Johnny, known for very energetic dancing ( and now for very impressive endowment) . Quite a few guys there are prime offing material. Bad thing about Dreamboys is that sound level is unbearable and well above idiotic , be warned and bring ear plugs. I feel sorry for the boys , it must leave some traces in their hearing abilities. Only Jupiter and XBoys Pattaya are equally stupid but Dreamboys is the worst IMNSHO. Highlight of the show were moment when ladyboys invited three participants from audience to join them and to my eternal delight one of them was my Japanese neighbor. There was also another Japanese guy who become primary victim as they undressed him completely revealing that he did not wear underwear. I did not notice any shyness on his part so common wisdom that Japanese are very adventurous when come s to those things carry a lot of weight. “My’’ guy was more reserved but still we could admire his naked ass in horizontal position and sizable bulge made many salivating I guess. It was a lot of offing traffic , both by guys and ladies but Dreamboy is well staffed bar. Just before midnight we left , I marched to Moonlight to pick up A who was already ready and waiting. I did not bother with drink this time. We went to eat some modest dinner without eye-popping seafood dishes and then straight to the hotel with A embracing me just like a boyfriend. He must like me or something thought I as he already had both off and knowledge of what his tip will be secured. Today we talked a lot too , mostly about his family and his work. They have very drastic penalties for being late like 50 baht per minute so certainly guys are kept in line. Sadness start setting in my heart when I realized that this is my second last night in BKK

he has sister

read 2nd sentence of day 1 report

I'm sure shot of gin will cheer you up.

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