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as explained in my post above I definitely don't agree with your statements. It could be a theft but definitely neither 'exactly' nor 'clearly'

welcome to the forum and don't worry about posting in the wrong board, you placed your post where it belongs. fact that you used quotation marks in "theft" shows me and probably all others that you are decent man. All my remaining hair are grey for long time but I still consider worst day on my life when as first -grader I was accused of stealing an expensive pen, which of course turned out to be never taken to school by girl I was sitting with and who accused me of theft. But that day was true horror for me 7 y.o. and even now typing it 50 odd years later I think my blood pressure is rising to 220/150 at recollection. Never accuse anybody of stealing unless you are 100 % sure it was a case. ChristianPFC on his blog recently reported theft by the boy but since all is on camera that's fair, not to mention he likes the boy and still is willing to see him , next time with better lock I presume In what you described chances it was premeditated theft are rather 10 not 100 % . First, we are not even sure bottle was there, somebody above described such a case and I had the same at BBB Inn when I noticed an invoice in my key slot on reception for a beer which was not even in the fridge when I checked into room. I just shrugged it off noticing absence but it was not a smart move as one can see. Fortunately hotel took my word for it and invoice was voided. Second , even if boy took it , it would be rude move not asking for permission but hardly theft for two reasons : 1. he may not to be as worldly to know that contents of bar are chargeable to occupant , instead of assuming that whatever is there is like soap or shampoo in the washroom or free water provided by hotel , disposable thing to be taken if one desires or 1a. he may be actually worldly enough to be entertained already in some higher end hotel where contents of bar were free or he was told by generous patron they they are free so he could assume now is the same case. Second reason and this definitely applies to all boys who were hosted by me is: 2. he assumed that whatever is in a fridge is actually yours, I like to stock my fridge with some Hong Thong, can or two of beer , few juices and milk drinks so he may think you do the same. Helping himself is rude but as Z909 noticed above , not offering him a drink is rude as well so we have pot and kettle case. Whatever happened I'd chalk it off to experience and definitely would not ask a boy if he knows bottle's whereabouts. Armed with that BBB experience if fridge is full I always check contents with the inventory list and report discrepancies. If hosting boy , I'm not shy to tell him what he can drink / mine / and what he can't / hotel's/ and by showing him price list , explain why. Never had complain or face although from time to time boy grabs in the middle of the night drink he should not but it's hardly disaster although I rather give that extra 100 baht to him than to fat capitalists owning hotel. Uff, blood pressure back to 120/80

I'm of firm believing that such mandated mournings are actually disrespectful to a deceased and patronizing , like grown people are assumed to need an instruction how to behave and dress during funeral.

I agree that mooks are very unsightly but sometimes one needs to take bad with good. At least two of the boys I still remember good while after I saw them last time including one I count best of them all, had them. Silicone deformed cock is even worse but again if rest is perfect I take whole inventory. For me it seems that even angels in the paradise have some deficiencies at times. But I understand that both mooks and silicone may be reasons to sent boy back to the stage or even home with some tip of course as I consider getting acquainted with boys privates tipping activity as long as we made the move.

Amen / with wind in the back I know literal meaning of 'too much of good thing' saying, in my younger years while hiking mountains with heavy backpack I was still knocked down by the said wind being no more than 2 meters from the chasm , still have goose bumps at recollection/

that would be an exaggeration but she has her advantages like pricing and 3 reasonable priced hotels in the thick of the action. I wish we had the same in soi Twilight. There's something to be said about Pattaya though - second trip in row I liked Pattaya part a bit better than BKK one but no, when comes to vibrancy Bangkok wins big time.

you got it right !

Day 9 Quite early breakfast left me some time to catch up with news and internet and then leisurely walk to Bali Hai to catch my ferry to Hua Hin. I was a bit later than recommended 9 a.m., boarding procedures airport like . In the shaded waiting room there are no facilities and no bar so make sure you have something to drink if you think you may need it. For trip there I opted for business class on the upper deck where party room with 8 seats which can be booked for 14000 one way is also located but I did not see any takers. Seats are assigned , we were treated with refreshing towel and two drinks and on the dot at 10 a.m. ferry sailed toward Hua Hin. Sea was quiet, weather sunny and whole trip was very uneventful I even dozed of for a while . It took exactly 2 hrs to get to Hua Hin pier where passengers were greeted with multitude of taxi touts. Apparently fare downtown is fixed at 200 baht but me , having only 1 hr in disposal admired climbable rock rising out of the sea right at pier and strolled about the beach , quite quiet at that noon hour. Boarding procedures the same, on return trip I economized by taking economy class , at 1250, 300 baht cheaper than business one and comfortable enough. No need to splurge unless one is inclined to or ferry would be crowded which was not a case today, perhaps 20 % of seats were occupied only , if that much. We were treated with drink. It looks that there are facilities for a bar on the ferry but nothing was operational so again bring your own refreshments. Again smooth sailing , just 2 hours from 1 to 3 and Pattaya emerging from the sea looked actually quite impressive on that sunny day. Very positive experience and highly recommended as bus trip probably would take 5-6 hrs. Ferry is very comfortable and while 1250 fare is not exactly cheap for Thailand found it good value for money considering comfort and time savings. For those vacationing at either end it provides an option for nice break for day or two in somebody is inclined. After spending good part of day so far sitting I gladly had a circular walk to BT by way of Tuk Com, passing by quiet Sunee on my way and treating myself with banana pancake somewhere. Back in hotel shower and walk across the soi to Body Club at Ambiance where since arrival I’m spying very hunky masseur so time to succumb to his mutilations. Other boy I had massage with 2 days ago seemed disappointed it was not him this time but all deserve their access to my pocket and hunks have kind of priority. Great body and strong massage , what was surprising for boy with such a massive muscular body he was a bit feminine in behavior and speech or at least that was my impression but with this kind of body I feel he deserved 1500 baht tip. Well massaged went to metal table restaurant near XBoys/ I’m sure she has name , I just did not get it / for my usual monodietc treat of chicken with cashew nuts although as remarked before , in Pattaya Wiener schnitzel from Alt Heidelberg gives cashews run for money. Then my daily beer and fun conversation with boys at Oscars and after a while jump to BBB hoping Art will be available for 2-3 hr session but he was sitting with some Oriental lady in the first row helping her to empty sizable bottle of whisky. I noticed one extremely handsome faced boy in track pants on the stage , from mamasan I learned he is Cambodian and I must say so handsome that I just could sit and look at him to no end. Unfortunately after I slipped 100 baht in his pants he disappeared , presumably in preparation for the show and I decided to check 360 bar as they advertised also show at 10.30. Very neat and modern , strangely shaped but I liked it. Only 5 spectators , show brief with three numbers but quite well presented and erotic and I liked it. Another, after ferry and massage at Ambiance with the hunk positive experience , I’d say 360 would be my 2nd choice as a bar after BBB in Pattaya. Distant second but still second. Sure XBoys has more explicit show but is smoke and loud music infested so only fits on the podium as third . Drink 200. About 8 boys , next door type and definitely off material if only I was in PTT longer. Tipped 100 baht one best looking on departure as is my habit and returned to soi 3 since previously I arranged that I take Ko , the masseur for Copa who did not show up few days ago for long time. Very energetic at massage and almost as good looking as his co-worker Kao. Not exactly quiet night which taking into consideration his energy was expected. 2000 plus 400 off fee in case they will charge him even if I took him at end of his shift another energizing encounter funded by well spent money.. And I did not waste an opportunity to secure his presence for next night tonight, I don’t even recall who suggested it first , me or him but certainly it was good idea. I like Pattaya more and more. So day 9 finished with breakfast together , today for fun he had my American breakfast and I his Asian one.

I'm pretty sure it was a case as they meant business and did not come to Pattaya for shopping and dining that's right , I had big fun those two days / and two LT offs for just 2000 each/ some people like to splurge on shopping , others on dining and others still on fancy room in hotels and that is all fine. I stay in executive room which was a bit bigger and bit more expensive than standard one and completely sufficient for what I need. I rarely have a need to fancy accommodation and my selling poit to book New Cafe was breakfast for two included in a rate so I fed myself and most of my boys. Actually one of those days that breakfast was only meal I had in the whole day. I don't think I claimed that off was lousy because I paid only 2000, I just noticed that this trip my best offs by some distance were those I overpaid ( raising some blood pressures as by product ). But yes , day 8 boy was lousy , I think he did not like me for some reason and that's fine. it's why when he decided to go to buy some food in middle of the night I gave him 1000 and truly hoped that he will not return but he did so I decided to stick to my side of bargain as well. BBB yes but still about half if not more boys available are staying inside. Usually those who are working long time there are those who are seen on the veranda during show. Tawan no, I don't recall boys loitering outside other than drinking on the steps of 7/11 on the corner after bar closes. As for cute twinks to my surprise on of those nights Tawan presented boy # 8, real twink completely out of sync with other boys so quite possible they are looking at diversification. They always had some smaller boys on duty , after all Boy #15 I offed several times from there was not a hunk nor bodybuilder at all.

there's no better time than first time, you will have FUN / Fucking Until Numb/

no problem at all for simple reason, according to sources I trust none of those 203 deaths was actually me despite being in Thailand 3 times in 2016.

I don't think z909 questioned data at all, just it's frivolous / sensationalist interpretation by ABC

at 49 baht it's not a bargain, bottle or can cost less

Day 8 Today is last day I have hotel reservation in New Café Royal and one I planned to make a decision what to do in next two days- stay in Pattaya or return to Bangkok. If stay in Pattaya , question to answer is where, still in BT or move to either Sunee or Jomtien. This was plan devised before I came here. This morning in view of last two days I don’t have any doubts what I want to do - stay here in BT where I belong and have fun so far. Handsome receptionist in New Café Royal was kind to leave me in the same room for the same price I paid originally with benefit of breakfast for two as in original reservation. I paid 2720 for those additional two nights and took motorsai taxi to Bali Hai pier to buy tickets for ferry to Hua Hin and back. This I had planned in case I will stay in Pattaya. I don’t have any interest in Hua Hin but for fun wanted to see how this new acclaimed ferry works. Ferry has separate ticket office in the pier building on the 2nd floor and is very well posted, There was no problem with getting ticket but girl there seemed to find exotic an idea of me sailing there and immediately back in the same day and called another girl with better English. I can swear that Thai words she said to her were something like ‘ this farang is so stupid I can’t believe so you better confirm if I’m hearing him right” . Confirmed that this is what I really want I got my tickets . For trip there business class for 1550 and for sailing back economy one for 1250, total of 2800, sounds like off fee, drink and boy’s tip. I was instructed to be at pier 1 hour before once a day 10 a.m. departure. Rest of day spent wandering lazily here and there about Pattaya sois and Beach Rd with sole aim of wasting time and energy. After al today is breaking point of my trip and from evening I’m closer to departure than arrival. Just before sun set another dinner in Alt Heidelberg restaurant. Wait for my meal shortened by being chatted up by typical example of one of sad faced Pattaya expats with litany of complains how expensive it is and how demanding and greedy girls become in comparison to glory days of past and even my habitual phrase that in the past even water was more wet was met with approving and compassionate understanding. Then is was time to return to soi and as usual have a seat at Oscars where I found williewillie parked already boys in conversation with freshly arrived in Thailand two young Russians. I did not waste that opportunity to switch to Russian if only to impress them and boost my self-esteem by them being impressed. It worked, LOL. Since they expressed an interest in special show we instructed them to check XBoys . In meantime I kept an eye on goings around BBB and for a good reason - I wanted another massage from Art .As it turned he also was keeping watchful eye and as soon as he saw me he came to make sure I’m still interested in his company tonight. Mutual understanding at it’s best. At 9.00 p.m. I went to the bar , paid off fee of 500 and we marched back to hotel , not sure who was happier but we both were. Still he did not want long time but was not in the rush to leave so we had good 2.50 – 3 hrs together not exactly spent discussing world peace but some conversation we had. Again great , fast paced , long stoked massage and great time together, another candidate for only hand holding session. I actually never did it but for my personal use if I classify boy they I could off him only to hold hands with him , dressed or not, it means he is top of top of the line for me. There are few of those brilliants still in business and at end of day primary reason to fly half globe across. Just before midnigt he left and I was in no mood to sleep in the cold bed so decided to check only bar in the soi I did not visit this trip, you are right – Toy Boy. Since there’s circulating opinion that those lingering outside are just bait or available for girls only I was not even in the mood to check accuracy of those claims and went inside. As before and it was not my first time in that bar on offer are mostly twinks , among them one Vietnamese boy discussed and showed in this forum not long ago. Nice face but slim bodied I kind of had problem to chose one I’d like to take with me , few were smiling at me , making inviting gestures etc so finally settled on one who had hair style I like. If can’t have muscle at least I will have some face to look at. Waved over drink bought to smooth up an interview process. Long time OK wants 2500, 2000 offer accepted. Usual question ‘ do you want et something?’ answered ‘yes” ,” where you want to go?” , ‘up to you” so we went to my favorite metal tables on corner of soi where XBoys are but half way to, all of the sudden he changed mind that he is not hungry and we can go to the room. So we went and it was quite OK but after few hours , it was like 4 a.m. he woke me up asking for some money because he wants to go to Wat Chai to buy some food because he’s hungry. Not a good sign so I gave him half agreed tip / 1000/ and went to bed not even sure he will return- I had cases like that ending with no-show. But after while knock to door wake me up, he was back. Then in 15 minutes he needs to smoke, OK open window and smoke. Back to bed for ½ hr. perhaps , he needs to go to 7/11 to buy some cigarettes and a beer. Firm candidate to one of worst offs ever thought I and when he returned , opened beer for me and him and after few gulps asked whether he can go I gave him my permission and other 1000 of agreed tip, happy him and happy me that he is gone. So much for those economical long time rates I thought. Since it was 6 a.m. already I decided on early breakfast and waiter did not say anything but clearly was a bit surprised seeing me sitting alone . Not exactly thrilling end of day 8 but look at full half of glass – at least it was over.

As stated many times before I tend to fix tip beforehand, Sure , time is very important to me but I don't bother with LT / ST classifications. "I will stay till 4 " , "how much you want" is negotiation's tune I employ. I doubt I'm kind and don't mind to be classified as having good heart , I'm just not as preoccupied with compensation issues as to count every satang. I like to be happy and boys to be happy too , at end of day it works for me. Few nights this trip were really fabulous but at times , yes, boys are pissing me off. See day 8 report in few minutes. Brutal truth about last trip is - most expensive offs were the most enjoyable, market economy at it's best it seems as I got what I paid for.

Ambiance massage is called Body CLub I guess. As long as I remember all three, Copa , Body Club and Scandic were always collecting boy minimum tip up front. I always check with boys what is their share and tip accordingly i.e . if his tip is 500 from price I paid I give him at least 500 since my usual rate for 1 hr massage is 1000 at least , more if I like boy or massage or both better. I don't think shops are cheating boys, those I had more than once would say something I guess When I took Kao from Copa , receptionist asked him how much he should charge and I paid 400 requested. Thus I know what is boy's share,presumably Kao told him I'm safe and he is sure I will tip him fairly / he got 1200 /

I'm glad you liked Alt Heidelberg it and hope they still be around when I return.That signature dish there it's just as one I remember as Sunday dinner from home. Twinks are not my style but I'm not ideological about that like some members who are proud of never setting foot in say , Tawan . From time to time I give twinks a chance and visit their bars regularly. Sure it was not illusion, you saw it rightly , employing them to lap sitting position is my way of saving them, from starvation. When visit bar and expect to sit there for a bit , usually I call some boy over just to have somebody warm sitting beside. Doesn't cost much and we both happy. that's my assessment as well even if I like Tawan boys better It can't as far as I can see but I go to Thailand to enjoy good /. eventful LT with the boys and can't care less about having good night sleep. How I do it , I don't even know , it must be an adrenaline but I sleep very little and as illustrated still drive big hunks to a desperation , LOL Boys are not machines and activities need to be tailored to their ability. From my experience , even those who need to leave early are not against early morning activities. That hunks are against morning activities , that's novelty to me. you will be happy with either one for sure. Yes , BBB are packing an audience nightly just like Dreamboys. And if pricing level is too high there are other bars within 10 m radius. But 800 off fee for the show boys even such liberal person as me considers unreasonable but if needs to be paid I rather gnash my teeth and pay instead of missing a date with boy I like.

and if crowded there's another salt water pool nearby, it's called the sea

I'd not like to be killed my tiny little gun holding neighbor thinking that party I'm throwing is too loud or my dog barks too often. It's better to create an environment where one can walk safe without thinking of need to buy a gun , no matter how small.

we toss the coin who goes first , I'm not big fan of crowded beds. LOL

Day 7 Today a bit cooler and cloudy day. Noonish walk along Beach Rd but last night tiring tasks got to me , returned to hotel for 2 hours nap. Age shows thought I but can’t figure better reason to feel tired. One of Ambiance massage boys is parking himself daily just in front of exit from my hotel and accosting me for a massage. Not a bad looking boy so I decided to give him a chance to clear displeasure of one of his co-workers , quite hunky so I placed him in line as well. Ambiance, like all massages in the soi is collecting boy’s minimum tip of 500 up front, I mentioned that and repeat because for uninformed 900 / hr. massage fee may seem to be very steep. Massage was Ok, perhaps even quite good and volcanic eruption at the end , certainly biggest I have seen in a good while warranted doubling his tip plus some more. As soi was coming to life again I sat down at Oscars to talk with boys over beer , this become my routine. Of course one offed previous night was showing some faces over being bypassed last night , clear disadvantage of whoring in the soi where everything is noticed and perhaps commented but I’m prepared for that and take it with humor. When comes to worst , red note will help to smooth things but at end of day it’s clearly visible that boys are used to be bypassed , that’s nature of working in entertainment position. I always buy them a drink , spoiling them perhaps but if I have fun , let them have some too. At one point one talkative reminded me casually that boys are working for money i.e. to indicate subtly that drink is fine but they expect tip as well. Warmed up by visit to Sunee last night with aussie_ I decided to check on Good Boys tonight and walked there , using shortcut past hindu temple in the first soi after baht bus stop it’s only 6 minutes from BT. Few boys were on duty , none standing out but what frosted me a bit was 500 quotation for the show , quite a hike to usual 300. It doesn’t mean more expense for me , just less fun as I have routine going there always armed with 1600, 600 for drinks and 1000 for tips. Anyways grabbed two with instruction of one by one performance and while first one was quite mechanical , was at least well equipped and delivered ! Second one was better , much more passionate choice and only fact that funds on me were limited as stated stopped me from taking him short time somewhere. His girlfriend must be very happy to have such a tool at her disposal I guess. It was another one lurking beside clearly did not get message that I’m underfunded because of rise of ticket price and shoot his load anyways but his reward was paltry 150 leftover after I paid for 3 drinks at 150 each.. I felt a bit bad but on another hand I did not invite nor engage him so it was all volunteer work on his part. So this time expected good time with good boys of Good Boys turned out to be kind of so-so but at least I did my part to support them in their hour of low season need. Walked around the plaza as always but also as always nobody even remotely interesting for me in that twink kingdom Sunee Plaza is. Wait , it was one exception in some bar roughly across from Winners, quite hunky and massive but since my funds were depleted I did not stop by anyways but even for me there’s hope in Sunee I guess. Returned to the room , armed myself with wad of notes and went about grand tour of BT bars as is was Saturday after all. Prisma , very classy décor perhaps best of them all but only few boys , two warranting departing tip of 100 but none creating long lone desire Only one other client but when I entered party of 5 was just leaving without a boy . ABomb , same same , 6 boys , all twinks, one tip , 2 more customers. It used to have more hunky boys but at least today it was just twink , twink , twink. Leaving bar I noticed one of BBB boys sitting in front of bar on motorcycle , talking to one of the boys. I took notice since he is one of their boy I pay close attention to but can’t extract a smile from. Not for much longer though as we will see. Passing by Copa I checked if Ko, another fine specimen from there is on duty as we were supposed to have LT engagement tonight but he was no show so I decided on Cupidol, never been in their new location. Another well appointed and spacious bar , quite well patronized tonight, few boys sitting with customers. Several more on the stage vying for business but again nothing for me although ever inclined to act charitable I called one of the boys, bought him a drink and allowed myself few indecent touches just to give myself excuse to tip him. At 11 p.m. they advertised show at Castro so I went , house was packed , lots of straight couples . Show nothing special but entertaining with lots of energy so drink money and a time well spent. Some lip synch singers really funny, recommended to drop by. Finished past midnight , too early so time for an immense in the known and unknown – back to BBB. Show was over , boys were on the display , second from right was Art, one I saw few hours ago in front off ABomb. He is veteran there , hunky with funny hair style and stands out because his very white skin. Stare is blank when I try to catch an eye contact but I have cure for that, dug out 100 baht and went to tip him. Wai was high and not long after I returned to my seat, perhaps in 25 seconds he turned out toward me and beamed THAT smile. Then we are almost home , waved him over. He did not want long time because his friend and my companion from last night warned him about sleepless night but ‘till 4 OK “ was quoted and accepted with my internal smile of “finally nailed” type. No boy drink , 500 off fee, requested tip of 2000, plenty for Pattaya but not for this kind of specimen so no qualms to agree and soon after we trek across the soi to the room passing by knowing smile of reception girl ( I think she is ladyboy but who cares , smiled nicely). He must be well known as she did not bother with ID request. I tried to convince him that 4 is ghost hour and he better stay till breakfast but his mind was made up but other than that one can’t ask for more. Muscular , very smooth body, good conversational English and knowing well why he was engaged, one of those straights with wife you wonder how really straight they are. In short an absolute gem as far as I can see . What surprised me was great massage skill , I asked if he went to school but he said that he just learned by trying. Certainly one of the best I ever had with fast and long stokes I so like. No way this will be my last with him . He even wanted to come during day tomorrow but I had some plans and so did he and we couldn’t fix agreeable time so it was decided to see what evening brings. Second night in row in nirvana thanks to BBB boys , not as intensive as last one because of shorter time but life is good thought I falling asleep in order to finish day 7 by waking up alone at 10.00 am.

no , this would be unfair to the boy as it would force him to lose face but I'd like to to some bar hopping with you at one time

it was not my intention to torment him , it just happened

not at all, no gifts given , neither forced to nor good hearted. One with motorbike asking for helmet while ago was not working in the bar this time, but his friends from BBB filled void very nicely I haste to say.

they will be singing odes to a beauty of 2nd amendment, just watch