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being negative about negative means being positive but I digress. I support Op way of thinking and it's why I always advise to off or have a massage with boy who is smiling at us, not always but it usually works very well

no wonder so many people are advising against using motorsai taxis

and if you do , rest assured guy you will be with will be very impressed with you

as far as I see in the mirror it works, for years I was saying publicly on this forum that for me BBB is overall the best bar in Thailand but after my last trip , again publicly, I gave Moonlight that coveted Vinapu's Most Favorite Bar tittle, LOL Fun to be in , only somewhat intrusive mamasans, discounted second drink , great selection of both models and regular guys, boys friendlier than in other upscale bars and show changing a bit every time makes it bar is fun to be in. Only hope success will not spoil it.

Unfortunately you are right. And that tiny group manages to suck life out of their countries because our Western countries welcome their ill gotten money with open arms. I know I sound like illegitimate leftie son of Rosa Luxembourg but am I wrong?

for Moonlight you can't do better than Surawongse Hotel which is basically upstairs. Has it's best years well behind but still I found it quite acceptable in October and definitely will be considering it in the future. Raya across the street from Moonlight soi is more upscale and often full but you may have luck. Baan Silom in soi 3 is a little further but still closer to action than Furama is. On budget side I'd suggest Nantra Silom in soi 8. Use Agoda or booking.com not some untested sites although they may be quite legitimate. Once I used some inknown booking site based in Ukraine to book Malaysia hotel because sites mentioned above did not have space for my dates in and it worked very well.

you will be a bit shy only in your first bar on the first day, after first evening you suddenly discover you are the expert !

I understand what you said very well , in fact when I travel often proper bread or at least what I consider proper bread / of rye variety / is thing I miss the most.

We should ensure that boy thinks along the same lines. Few times I noticed they don't feel comfortable even if I wanted to treat them. We may not notice those stares and not understand what is said but they will . I almost always treat my long time offs with dinner and breakfast but learned long time ago to leave choice of venue to them.

It's why I ignore opinion of strangers , food is notorious as hard to judge by what other people say as we all have different tastes and are used to different staples and treat for one is just a feed for other . Often people are just getting back at venue because they did not like something, in this internet era both praise and slander are easy to distribute

while people are created equal , countries are not, so perhaps they considered those who have certain economical and political weight. Possible unrest in Belize, Gambia or Western Samoa will not have much effect on the world scene but those four mentioned in OP are another story. I'm not disputing it , just genuinely I'm surprised by mention of Botswana above as she is consider one of better governed African countries

I'd be surprised if disagreement surfaces by the way to OP - Bangkok Massage in soi Twilight had and most likely still has couple's massage room with two beds

not all boys will be willing to go with 2 guys. Yes , quite a few of them are capable of turning business down, at least what we think is good business for them - they may see things differently as they know their options better. If guy will go with two clients and will be expected to have a fun with both of them , double tip will be expected and in reality only fair. Sure volume discount may be considered and accepted by the boy but paying just regular short time tip for double encounter would be racket and extortion. Guys expect to be compensated by f***k not by the hour IMHO. It's different story if boy has sex with one guy and other is just a voyeur, than single tip but still on generous side would suffice. we used to have stories circulated about customers taking girl or boy from bar to a room where 2-3 guys were waiting for a prey, we don't want to be like that

what is so strange, as good or as bad place to die as any other

as far as I'm concerned I don't pay any attention to reviews of people I don't know so I rather side with paufort says above, at least he is contributor here . By the way there's that side note in a piece you attached link to: Sylvan SmythIt’s a lot better now at G’s new location on Soi 4.

or be adventurous and see what happens, yes it may lead to disappointments but also nice surprises. It really depends of what fun you are looking for

And don't forget there are other bars with your type, Jupiter , Dreamboys and for more massive guys-Tawan, In fact in every bar you may find somebody you will like to get acquainted with better. Massage places may have even more guys of type you like

nothing surprising and nothing to be proud of, it may turn to be dangerous in the long run specially in country lacking normal avenues to vent frustrations with military in charge and well known stifling laws

You don't need order alcoholic drinks, since in most bars all drinks costs the same , be it water or shot of gin and all in between , you can order whatever you want without a fuss. Some bars even have hot tea or coffee. If you will be sitting in bar more than 1 hr they may start harassing you for second drink, some bars with 2 shows have even sign ' 1 drink, 1 show" but stand your ground if you wish and nurse your first drink as long as you want. They may not like it but it's their problem. I find that slipping 20 baht into harasser palm keeps him at bay, LOL as much as I like Thai bars and guys I don't trust their arithmetic skills so feel free to check what amount should be as sometimes 2 times 380 is becoming 860. In some bars boys drinks have different price than yours, sometimes higher , sometimes lower. Also second drink in some bars is cheaper (Moonlight comes to mind). If you pay with big note make sure you got correct change in return , again poor arithmetic may lead to shortchanging you. Not too common but it happened to me few times , even in reputable bars like old Jupiter.

OMG, with so many tasty option , no wonder we have "Overweight Passengers " thread on the forum

gingko biloba ?

Don't worry , we all were nervous first time and probably most of us still remember our first bar visit, certainly I do even if that was 17 years ago and bar is long gone. Even now after so many trips there are places I still get goose bumps on approach and I don't even know why. Don't overthink it , just immense yourself in Bangkok joys and watch your pocket ( nobody steals from you, Thailand is safe country but when you see all option you mat be carried over a bit by excitement )

fully agree that belittling people because of body shape or size is shameful but still accommodating them in public transport shouldn't come at expense of other paying passengers because politeness or political correctness. That's up to transport provider not person who paid for and was assigned full, not half seat. Readers of my October trip report may recall that I visited internet cafe in soi Post Office in Pattaya to find owner outside and warning me to enter at my own risk because guy inside smelled whole room up. It was not as bad as I expected but at least I had a choice, what choice one has if locked already in silver tube 10 Km above squeezed beside oversized person ?

since I don't have much trust in bar's staff arithmetical skills I have a habit of paying my bills as soon as they arrive and I made a point of being prepared with exact change.

it all depends on the boy, most of them don't mind to shower together if you ask them but if you notice some reluctance let them to do that alone. There will be some who will shower with you before but not after and those who will want to shower separately before but gladly after the fun ( often you have that in massage places). Some will prefer to shower alone , than do what hank75 above is suggesting although I'd hide TV remote as I don't want guy to get distracted by things more interesting than me. If your preference is to shower alone - you are the boss. Bottom line is there's no standard procedure other than both of you should shower at both ends of encounter. Don't overthink whole procedure, just swim with the flow and you will be fine.