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I'm very sure that by 'outlook not good ' numazu meant satisfaction of our appetite for his travel reports and BurBoy has nothing to do with it.

Considering distance and difference in age, affluence and most likely education and language barrier this should not come as surprise. Let's face what we can offer them other than money and material goods? Chances that they will fall for us due to our internal beauty while not unknown are rather remote. I tried twice so called Quasi Boyfriend Experience , both cases reported here and it went quite well. Both had their own agenda, first one money extraction and second one long time hook-up to secure himself future stream of income but at least none of them was blatantly pushy and as far as companionship goes both kept their side of bargain. It was fun and entertaining but at no time neither side forget what assets is bringing into time together be it money or body. This way we avoided any antics, I was paying or telling this is too expensive, they made sure if I needed a hug they were at hand. And definitely sex factor, while present all the time did not define out time together in either case to answer an original question. So my advice would be , try it but never lose view of end of it from your sight and make sure boy knows it. Neither one of us nor boy wants broken heart and in our case broken wallet as well.

There's lack of will probably and perhaps some oversized ego plays as well as with technology it should be easy dividing spoils between various operators. Istanbul is good example with their value loaded Istanbul Card which can be used on all kinds of transport including not only municipally operated but also on railways , ferries and private buses.

"Small size bias " doesn't mean that opinion is of lesser value which boils down to weight we place in what that person says. If one knows somebody tends to place higher value on that's person opinion than that of somebody experienced but not known even if only from placing reports or just contributing on forums for example. Few years ago i was contemplating using Raya but was put off by two or three feedbacks on booking sites that is noisy , overpriced and whatever. Than xiluzer from our forum stay there and e-mailed me that he was impressed with everything < i followed his take and was so happy I did. Average level of service at establishment is of not much help either as all boils down to a boy not the rest. For me personally Dreamboys BKK is prime example as one of my best and my worst off ever are coming from the same bar. At one visit I considered almost all of perhaps 70 boys on display offable , one or two visits later I couldn't see anybody to give my customary 100 baht tip for best looking boy as it was none. So we should be free to say whatever our honest impression is and it's up to whoever is reading it to make mind of how he will be utilizing that information. Have fun in Bangkok and do whatever you can for us.

any well know gay massage place / Arena, Senso, Prince , Hero , Bonny etc / will have somebody who will do it for you. from my experience it doesn't depend of massage place but particular boy and his learned routine, some will not do it , some only if asked and others still will include it in the course matter-of-factly so best is to ask either mamasan or even better boy himself. as for second question those are two different experiences and if entirely up to YOU to decide which is better after you tried both which I encourage you to do. When going for 4 hands make sure you chose first boy and let him to chose another one as not all of them will be willing to work with their friends.

Your story may be accurate as I'm familiar with similar case where I live but I still strongly believe that when I see somebody in need it's better to err in side of generosity. It doesn't cost much, I feel better and perhaps also that other person as well.

your reasoning is correct but if you don't give him money he goes to sleep hungry and the next day he is at the same points

you wouldn't lie to your Mum , would you ?

that's slanderous, Honduras and El Salvador have sky high murder rate but Thailand is only in the middle, between Moldova and Palau with only 1/12 of El Salvador 'achievement" https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5/rankings

This is what I think as well as 100% of donation goes to a needy but only problem with this approach is that we don't even know most of those people in need exist specially when on short term visit. Even in Bangkok sometimes few steps from busy and wordly streets there's another world. Enough to mention Klong Toey slum, not that far from all that Silom glamour.

this is what makes life colorful . punters entertained and all kinds of boys employed. Spoon is bringing lots of valid points , many things are taken into consideration , sometimes subconsciously before we decide we have hots for this and not that boy. And boy feels the same , he may go with different people if only for money but from time to time he may actually feel something for his client even if temporarily. Easy to see in the bar when boys on the stage somethimes chase with their eyes one patron and at the same time trying to avoid eye contact with another. In massage some boys will be looking at you and others still will be focused at some point well above of our heads. It's why after years of trying I'm looking for that eye contact or even better smile and if I don't see it I'll go empty handed as it's usually not worth time and expensese. Not fool proof but seems to be pretty good indicator.

My guess would be, few of us when saw a tittle of this thread thought "OMG , what if this is boy I know ?" To answer colmx question , no his face actually looks pretty cherubic in comparison even if looking at him now is colored by what we already know. My guy is better built as well so guy above looks more gentle but I don't have any sympathy for him. murder is murder

chilling , specially if somebody would recognize him as an off from the past

perhaps bars move to another areas, first they will be a bit dispersed and then start concentrating , may be soi 6 will go to former glory and ones like Solid or Tomahawk will be resurected? will it still be worth of spending 1000 $ and 24 hours to get there. I can't see myself doing that for sake on sitting at my tablet and hunting for catch such way but perhaps it's only me? no but on two separate occasions, few years apart when tried to be dragged into girly bar there by somewhat handsome barker when I said teasingly like I often do "no, I like boys" I got an identical answer ' I will go with you ' , not sure how sincere but I guess it was an invitation to negotiation. As for the rest only we can do is just wait and see what happens and adjust our plans accordingly. Sometimes those changes are never coming , sometimes they are very sudden like demise of Zeus bar where I reported here was second best selection of guy in the soi, . offed boy and in few days bar was closed in the middle if the busy Christmas season and is still closed 3 years later with abandoned Zeus statue still gracing former premises.

that's exaggeration, I don't think we have any haters of either one here. Yes , there are preferences but I don't recall any derogatory statements about either one. This is not surprising and it's kind like twinks / hunks lovers divide which perhaps is even bigger than between BKK and PTT fans.

unless your luggage had marble statue in it and when you consider that hailing taxi on Bangkok street is easiest job in the world / even during deluge at 4 a.m.it took all of 40 seconds for two to appear/ I'd give 20-30 max. 100 is very good hearted but I doubt he expected that much so your good karma will follow you

I agree with ozmouse that air is more pleasant at end of year but absolutely don't worry about bars and other entertainment being closed . Speaking from experience , in fact my first ever off from Tawan was in the evening of Dec 29 / 2014. This is high season after all. Odd boy may go home at that time but this may happen at any time of the year . So in short again don't worry about any bar closures. Just make sure you book your hotel in advance if you decide on NYE trip, which by the way doesn't stop you from coming for Songkran since you allowed 2 trips if I recall correctly and Songkran is another year so you can use 2018 limit for that.

we will become heteros and star frequenting Patpong's girly bars

Along with Jasper and Paulsf I'm in Bangkok camp although I can see Pattaya has own advantages. BBB I consider best bar in Thailand, hotels seem to be cheaper, definitely drinks are as well as boys tips. Distances are manageable as well. It took me 9 visits to LOS to eventually go to Pattaya and my first impression was not that good but encouraged by voices from this forum /firecat, 1moRussian, anonone / I decided to give her a chance and each subsequent time was better. Last Dec was my first trip when I liked Pattaya part better than Bangkok one and I'm writing all of that to encourage everybody to visit , if only to form his own opinion. My main problem in Pattaya is what to do during day and it's only partially solved by the fact I always stay in Boyztown and Copa massage boys are starting to be on the duty around 9-10 a.m.

Boyztown is Patttayaland soi 3 , X-Boys is Pattayaland soi 1, in between there;s Pattayaland soi 2 with ABomb in the corner.

actually good to know. We may not care about us losing face and probably farang drinking something local is not even losing it but if we are with Thai company never hurts to show some sensitivity and help to boost their self esteem. It's why sometimes I let my boys to pay for goods, taxi or meal . Of course money is mine but pleasure is still theirs.

used to be , due to activities of BIB / boys in brown= police / from time to time shows are much tamer so by time you will be there it may change back to previous normal. Check XBoys show in Pattayaland soi 1, you may even see special show. For a tip you will organize semi-private hard cock display at Eros and Good Boys in Sunee

rest assured it will not be me and it has nothing to do with subject of this thread LOL On most serious note , eating fresh or canned pineapple is known to reduce body odor and is recommended for travelers in areas with shortage of water.

you tip whatever you consider appropriate, as explained above money is money, 18 baht actually buys something useful - soap, two packets of washing powder, tooth brush or MRT ticket from Silom to Hualampong , throw another 2 baht and it's train ticket to Ayuthaya, no kidding.

I heard this before from both givers and takers and this way of thinking is touching my raw nerve. In my opinion money is money and if I heard it from her / him it would be last tip they got from me. Not that I don't practice what I preach. In one of soi Twilight bars on the right side ( Zeus or Fresh or XBoys ) waiter tipped 20 baht in two coins actually had nerve to ask me if I have a paper and was sternly told "if you don't like , give me back". He did not. And I had a boy complaining that part of his overnight tip, I think about 1000, was in 100's , I like him very much but still on subsequent off two or three nights later right in the room I showed him nice stack of 30 red notes and told him this is his tip ready for morning, believe me lesson learned and now I like him even more because of that passionate night. So yes , if you buy my old car from me for 1000 you can pay it all in 1 $ bills. there are two reasons for that: 1. if you tip on the last day , throughout your stay personnel will not even know if will be tipped or not so may actually slack on duties, if you tip daily you may find an extra towel, pack of shampoo or even flower on your bed next day 2. when you are checking out sometimes reception send a staff to check if everything is Ok and this may not be person who was toiling on your room all those days. Knowing hotels habits he/she may pocket your tip. Greed is universal, I live in first world country and still know a snack bar where all tips left by clients in a jar beside cash register are pocketed by the owner, when tried to put coin there cashier told me don't bother and explained why.