vinapu

cheer up and keep in mind that you outlook was colored by misfortune you had with that boy you mentioned in another thread

This brings us to a topic of missing money. In 15 trips positively I had nothing stolen from my room , at the massages and in the bars. Only time I had money missing was somewhere between Hero and Sala Daeng. When I left Hero money was there , I think there were two possiblities - either somebody lifted it up on the crowded BTS or I pulled it out by accident when taking money from the pocket to buy a ticket. Lesson learned, after that I devised system of having small notes and coins in only one pocket and rest distributed between various pockets in my shirt and shorts.

considering that is +30 on my balcony now , that article couldn't come at better time. Here's to everybody ! Cheers

It's precisely I rather fly another 6 hours and spend my vacations in Thailand where for the same price I can get acceptable quality attention whole night including breakfast together. On another hand when one thinks with cold head 4500 is not extreme for all inclusive, let see Dreamboys - drink for me and boy 900, off fee 700, tip 1500 but rather 2000 if we are talking about high quality, still 3100-3600 baht , much cheaper but not as much as one would expect . But I gather other costs like accommodation and food are more costly in Japan as well .

thank you both for a good laugh since your stories reminded me an adventure of one of my straight friends entertained by one of soi Cowboy ladies and in the moment of passion not only his and lady's phones rung at once but also somebody knocked to the door. He took it as serious sign of being in trouble for debauchery and went as far as e-mail me asking if I know any church in the area. I directed him to one on Ruam Ruedi chastising in in the answer claiming accurately that i was in Bangkok so may times and never went to the bed with girl. Still laughing

from me all they get is their tip, only once I gave my contact (e-mail address ) to a boy and came to regret it.

I do the same . on flights longer than 3 hours window seat is death trap for me . Not just aisle seat but aisle seat in the middle section at end of aircraft is my preferred choice since I noticed quite often if plane is not full this is where empty seats are . It's great treat if one can stretch elbows beyond own armrest. I suspect that that airlines are keeping track of frequent fliers preferred seatage as I usually get my favorite seats allocated by computer when I 'm doing check in on line , definitely is was a case in my last two trips with both Cathay Pacific and China Eastern.

It looks that Japan would suit you very well since bar's there clearly state how much and for how long. Your response show how different approaches people have. Some discuss money , some activities, some both and others none. It show there's flexibility in the system for both boys and us ( I for one , like to set money issues up front but like Christian don't talk about activities as I have fun of finding out ) Boys sometimes may ask as well 'how much you give me " or ' what we will be doing". As for negotiation I think we are using too big word. Sure haggling about price to bring it down from say 2000 to 1000 step by step would take fun from whole process. What I employ as negotiations is as per sample: me :' how much you want? ", boy: 2000 *** me : either 'ok" ( usually unless this is out of whack quote ) or 1000 ( not necessarily half , just whatever I'm prepared to pay ) boy: either 'ok ' or 1500 or 2000 (original offer ) me : either 'ok ' or again 1000 (original offer) , no hard feeling if rejected , chances I up my tip in the room if accepted. As you see I give myself only one chance to respond with acceptance or counter offer and boy is given two chances to sound reasonable. **** if boy answers ' up to you ' I will tell him how much he will get and this is my last word. If he tries to up it I remind him nicely 'you told me up to you "

I found up to 12 hours direct flight is blessing but more than that actually I like some kind of connection allowing to stretch legs for at least 2-3 hours in between planes

Perhaps something he considered better opportunity came along and not to lose face he manipulated you to throw him out instead of him quitting on you. Just my guess. As an example , I already reported in May 2015 case when I agreed to highest long time tip I ever paid and Tawan boy still at the last minute decided he must go with another customer leaving me in the dust. Whether he liked other guy better , he offered higher tip or was ordered to drop me my the management is irrelevant. If you really like the boy , nothing stops you from offing him next trip although my advice would be again, forget about him and move on.

Sure , do to character flaws vinapu doesn't like to receive neither favors nor gifts

always keep in mind that if there's a key it may be second one somewhere. It did not dawn on me until few years ago in one of places with lockers, now defunct , boy told me not to leave any money there.

He had correct understanding of his situation that he is just hired help and probably did not even think about trying to force himself upon you as a boyfriend. Win win situation , you could spend your vacations way you like , boy got an income and short paid time off from bar. From time to time we need to make sure that we are in control of our own agenda and if taking boy with us for few days we better make sure it was OUR idea , not boy's so we don't have anybody to blame if things will not go according to specification.

and this is perfectly OK, after all we have our own priorities and not necessarily they must be similar to those shared by general population. No need to follow herd and conventional wisdom.

this brings us to question of security of valuables at those shops. We are not in control of our possessions while in the shower and also when we are massaged face down. While I never encountered any problems in my zillion+ massages from time to time there are reports of something missing, not even necessarily credible.* So my advise will be don't take with you more than you think you need plus perhaps 500 baht just in case. * ( I was once witness of big commotion at Rays with departing guest accusing theft from safety box. Later it turned out he found money somewhere in his luggage and admitted to being fool in one of our forums ).

don't sweat this stuff who was at fault, what counts is that you managed to shake him off and don't look back unless you like to be manipulated. It did not work, so be it. move on. It happened before and will happen again to most of us. Sometimes we learn why , sometimes it will be mystery forever, yes, it's disappointing but so is twice - weekly lottery draw and we are still playing

quite a jump down from Dusit Thani to Nantra Silom

there's a limit to any idiocy.

Two years ago I took BBB boy from Pattaya to Bkk for just 5 days but this was his idea not mine and we negotiated conditions up front including guaranteed at least 2 nights together for an extra charge on top of his daily rate. He wasn't completely unknown to me because we spent together 4 previous nights He even gave me 'permission ' to bring other boys at will and offered he will be sleeping on the floor in such a case ( I rented him cheap room in hotel nearby to avoid such indignity ). It went relatively well as we both kept our sides of bargain as I made sure every day we parted ways for few hours just to have breathing space but still we had few moments of tension as he found sightseeing of Grand Palace and Muang Boran boring and was complaining that I'm too generous to boy I hired to crowd our bed one night. After 5 days it seemed we were both relieved it's over. In Ekkamai after boarding the bus he did not even bother to check if I'm still on the platform ( I was with one or two tears until bus departed ). In retrospect after returning home I thought and still do that those inconveniences were minor and probably with do the same. Main trade - you have body , I have money worked without a glitch and even if I spent fortune on him that trip I'm still smiling. My prescription for a success of such undertaking would be: set clearly your expectations and let him freely express his ( I will be seeing other boys , he wanted at least 3 paid nights together , I promised 2 but we still had three) set compensation in stone and don't let him to try to extract more money unless you are OK with that make sure each of you has some free time every day if you are dining separately make sure you provide him with some money so he can his meal on you which would be case anyways if you were to dine together respect his limits and ensure he observes yours ( he preferred to shower separately , I wanted TV to be off all the time we are together in the room )

for what I need , Bangkok is number 1

Tarntawan or Raya , whichever is providing better deal at the moment, no particular preference, last time it was Raya

lessons for newbies from your story will be ; a/ fact that boy is stunner and enthusiastic in bed doesn't mean he will be good travel companion b/ it is a prescription for ruined vacation to take as companion somebody you barely know. It's one thing to have fabulous night but another one to be with boy 7/24 for several days in row as it may wear both of you c/ if you or boy decided to part ways, stick to your or his decision and don't take him back as those antics will likely be repeated

I'm using the same guidelines when comes to tip. On few occasions paid more / literally twice for ST and four times for LT / but this was because I either wanted boy badly or wanted to avoid scene in the room. Advice for newbies will be , keep your head cool and don't let your cock to do the thinking or be prepared to pay extra. It's why I advise newbies to set tip expectation with boy before you go and don't assume that if he agreed for 2500 last Wednesday, he will not ask for more tomorrow ( or may go for less ). They can see spark in your eyes and tend to charge for it. As for time , short time is usually as long as it takes to do the deed, some boys may linger longer for hughs and kisses , others will be springing to the shower and out of door so it time is important to you communicate your expectations. Long time is usually till morning / breakfast and I'd communicate clearly that if he leaves earlier short time tip applies. From time to time you may have a boy who agrees for long time for say 3000 and after 1 hr he will announce he must go under some pretext , pockets his 1000 instead and he will be gone . That's dishonest and warrants publishing his nick and number all over.

Can't recall seeing underwear there

I did not have problems in neither one and while Raya would be my preference because is new, if price at Tarntawan would be cheaper I'd stay there. My goal on vacations is to stay as little as possible in the room during day and at night I have better things to admire than room amenities. Nevertheless on almost every trip I like to treat myself with 2-3 nights in some more luxurious than my usual spartan yet comfortable enough digs at Nantra Silom, Malaysia, Pavillion or Om Yim, now changed to a hostel