vinapu

you are quite generous, my rough custom is 100 baht for every 15 minutes I keep him beside, I keep an eye on how busy bar is , and if it's busy I either off boy or release him after few minutes so somebody may enjoy him as well. Like Nathan I don't grope them unless they initiate it or jump from the stage just for short feel like Nice Boys boys are doing

what do you mean ? Old - yes , but terrible ? not impossible, that list I saw would support that way of thinking as it could be supplementary payroll list but tipping itself was low key i.e . I saw how much he tipped because I was sitting just behind but was it was given to boys was discreet with note hidden in the palm. I saw the same month ago in Castro , Boyztown, this time it were 2 Russians treating the same way all performers, few more than once. There are people who understand that often fun needs to be oiled by money and like our friend paulsf says ' calculator is NOT most important travel accessory"

obviously you are not hungry

# me too , but I like silence better

off one who is smiling at me today and try my luck with another one tomorrow

serves me well so far, not always but mostly

perhaps you should stick just to a water, make sure it's not too wet

no idea but my highly educated guess would be it was not his first visit and he prepared list previously or even it was given to him by somebody else , along with money. Not that I care but I just described what I saw, list and money , being sober, I haste to add. ( I posted my input before I read what Jasper had to say above in case somebody wonders )

spread it over mash potatoes served as a a side

This is what happens when people watch too much of TV.

It must be going on for a while as I observed the same late at night in October. But it was finished at reasonable time - my room was on 2nd floor of Ambiance and noise did not bother me ( or was it music , not just a noise?)

If truth, that is sad news indeed.

I don't argue , I just pay. All prices above sound sensible, including abdismaili doubling the tip when service was extraordinary. There are different boys and they have different expectations , even in the same bar. One may be offed 1-2 times a week , his friend may score the same 5 nights out of 7. Of course they will have different expectations and popular guy can afford being firm. Week later when his luck will run out or customer he was favorite of goes home he discovers joys of being elastic on expectaicies. So using guidelines above we should be prepared to be flexible. Guys will be too, rest assured. We go for vacation to have fun and to get away from it all , not to crunch numbers constantly. By paying to much we don't lose face , just cash and in reality not that much, 1000 baht is 30 $, lots of money in Dollarama but not that much in Starbucks

looks very promising

you guys are so classy, what about Hong Thong , my favorite ?

you are right , I like 7/11 and Family Marts along Suriowong better

Tam , 170 or so yes but very compact ? He is quite a hunk, yes 170 cm tall hunk but hunk nevertheless

Sunee Plaza is your hunting ground

or whole family chips in for ticket secure in knowledge they will be repaid well before next harvest. Thailand receives more tourists in a week than countries like say , Ghana or Zambia in a year so earnings potential is much , much higher I guess

as dearly as we loved our grandmothers culinary speaking they belonged to different era, before high cholesterol was invented. At Maxi you don't get gravy, you get mushroom sauce in a separate dish which you can consume way you want, not necessarily by soaking schnitzel in it. I welcome advises and sometimes consume them. Tawan bar ,Nantra Silom , Raya , Classrooms, Baan Silom hotels, Madrid Tavern and Salt and Pepper restaurants, M from Senso , Nicky from Moonlight, Bon from Hero are all great inventions I learned about on this forum ( in case of Tawan I knew before but forum encouraged me to go inside )

and who suggested it ever was ? Yes sometimes guy asks for extra taxi money but I never had a case when they asked in the room for higher tip than agreed - and in 11 cases out of 12 I have tip set in stone before we go .

not only at Jupiter, last month I saw the same thousand baht tips in Moonlight / Chinese looking guy sitting in front of me had actually a list with numbers, must have distributed at least 5 1000 baht tips and to my astonishment he did not bother to stuff it into guy's undies himself but had waiter to hand over that tip, I guess for all around to see / and in BBB Boyztown. Great point you underscored - it's not farangs who are setting market forces in motion in boy bars of Boyztown and Silom / Suriowong / Twilight areas

that has advantage of getting answer / opinion which is not tailored to what person asking may be perceived as wanting to hear. for example if you know I don't like pizza , you'd never recommended Madrid tavern's ones to me and I happened to like THEIR pizza.

I'm sure his smile helps. On serious note 'well built ' for me means just what you said above - not out of proportion.

You simply think too much like boys say. Like paborn explained above it's other way around. Tip is increased because performance, in case I described above tip was actually discussed and set so boy knew what he will get. In fact it's almost always a case with my guys- I like compensation and time frame set before we go. Pay to your guy what he is worth to YOU, if you gladly repeatedly take him off obviously there's no mistake and no overtipping. If you say he is right for you why you worry about payment in such dream come true situation we all with to be in. Sure if you feel he is too expensive just jump the bell and tell him that you can give him only xxx instead of xxx +500. Sure you risk discovering that he doesn't like you anymore, in such a case at least your question will be answered. Big chances are though, with repeated offs, that he will not blink an eye. Read my October trip report and this was a case with one of Moonlight guys I offed on my first and also last night, I was running out of money so told him up front what new , substantially reduced tip will be without any explanation and he took it matter of factly , no slightest decrease in performance . Keep in mind , like everybody else , guys like repeated custom not only for money but also as self -esteem booster when his bar friend see that HIS farang came perhaps to off him again. Sure boy may go with others for less so you feel you are taken advantage of but you don't know if there's another side of equation. He may have customers lavishing on him much more than you do and he still goes with you gladly as you can see. One of Jupiter boys drives shiny motorcycle give to him by grateful customer and still smilingly goes with me long time for the same tip I gave him when we met first time few years ago at different bar , never even hinting he'd like more