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because Thai culture doesn't take well 'no' for an answer quoting ridiculously high price may be boy's way of indicating he is not interested or available. I'm privy to two of such situations when boys actually confessed that that was reason / in both cases only ST was available but clients wanted LT/. While I support thinking that if boy is ticking all boxes is worth of any price I'd still have internal upper limit as to not get carried away. 3000 ST / 5000 LT is an invitation to negotiations for me with my ceiling almost never crossed 2000/3000 but everything over that would mean I'm walking away even if boy hastes to lower his quotation to acceptable level. Only once I was prepared to pay whatever but still had condition that boys will express his interest in me / smile , eye contact / but he did not so it gave me chance to sober up Sometimes we are disappointed with performance by the star but reason perhaps is not that he underperformed but our expectancy was too dreamy.

we are waiting impatiently for account of your adventures in Pattaya

while I agree with you when comes to sauna visit I like actually to do bar hopping and visit massages with our members , always fun comparing impressions and at times eye opener too as boys I'm salivating about are dismissed outright and when I see whom they like I wonder who is blind , me or my friend, lol

for Chinese parading through Boyztown this is not part of sex tour , It' s likely part of program as somewhat weird attraction , they sprint through pretty fast and I rarely noticed they look around too much , perhaps they don't want to be seen by their companions as too interested , LOL I always wave at them and usually they turns eyes away but had a case when elderly guy left the crowd and shaked hands with me and boy sitting with me at Oscar's. All had good laugh

Most likely ability to handle mamasans comes with experience. Fact, that you stood your ground in the past and they remember that , helps big time. X-Size , yes. It was or perhaps still is very skinny ladyboy mamasan. Once tipped her 50 baht and she complained it was all in 10 baht coins so I told her you don't like give me back , she did probably hoping I will replace coins with banknote but I did not. Left in huff greatly offended, when leaving bar hour or so later I waved her over and gave her shiny blue 50 bht note. Next visit she smiled at me but left me alone, no further tip though

that's right. Similarly like z909 I rarely have problems with mamasans but sometimes they are nuisance and if that's a case I employ pretty blunt tactics without resorting to being rude. When accosted for tips I tell they clearly that I keep tip money for boys only, if that doesn't help i offer princely tip of 1 baht which I always carry a few , just in case. When pressed to off the boy with familiar to all " which boy you like " every 25 seconds' I shamelessly lie "I like girls" even in bars I'm known to off from in the past. Sometimes profession to like type of boys exactly not available in that bar i.e that you like small boys in Tawan or that you like big ones in Eros does the trick and even I may be advised to which bar i should visit to get ones I like. Also sharp and decisive ' no' without any explanation does the trick. If we start giving excuses it's an invitation to further forced conversation , the same like an eye contact z909 mentioned. With barkers in soi Twilight again short ' tomorrow' seems to shake them off also next day they may remember you and remind you that yesterday's 'tomorrow' is actually today, then I tell them ' I'm shy". But again , all that is rare practice for me since I seem not to attract mamasans as some other complainers, perhaps due to assholish face expression or something. I'm not their enemy either remembering that on my first ever visit in gogo in Bangkok if not pushy yet gentle mamasan sensing newbie actually guided me through procedures and selection process I'd probably escape empty handed. as for pushy tailors again blunt lie ' I'm leaving already" with wink seems to be working even if repeated daily to the same guy. My bigger problems are boys offed or I had massage with in the past trying to stake an ownership of me again as my usual lies will not work with them , how you tell that you are butterfly to a boy you offed few times this trip already, LOL. Again being a bit blunt helps "I like every boy to earn some money" usually is somewhat well received. I second OP suggestion that when in bar it's good to have a lot of change on me so no need to wait for change and makes tipping easier as well.

study ChristianPFC's blog www.christianpfc.blogspot.com he is also member here so may chip in when he visits forum later he is known for being frequent surveyors of all things gay in Thailand

it is always the game. Good you stood your ground, after all it looks that he had competitors in the bar. Sometimes is other way around , boy is firm with expectancy and we need to decide to yield or just look for other option. Easy if he is one of many but what to do if he is made of our dreams ?. Some of us will stick to their offer , others, myself included me be tempted to over pay just to put our hands on him. Bottom line is both sides should be happy with the outcome. No sense to beat boy on price if he will go with us just out of financial need holding grudge. On another hand frivolous requests should not be encouraged and perhaps dismissed outright even if he comes to his senses. As for us , being too firm may be self defeating at times as we may miss a chance to have great off and we squandered it for being too rigid. As I said above , always the game While I understand what you are saying , if boy was stunning why you let mamasan to stand in between? Some are persistent to no end and great nuisance but stunning is stunning, don't let him to be grabbed by somebody with thicker skin.

even in lowest of low season it may be another patron who will like the same boy you do so I'd still secure an access to my dreams

I rather have 4 long time offs for the same price roughly

Bangkok Massage , like Arena, never disappoints. Glad your health troubles are over, have fun at MyHero

considering current political climate , just dream on... have you ever heard about idea of turning Pattaya into family friendly destination? I'd rather expect gogos in Pattayaland to close and THAT would lead to Sunee's renaissance as it's well hidden and pokes into eye of nobody

that may be matter of time. If something , God forbid happens, we will have ban. Good that old fashioned books and magazines are still available to kill the flying time

Do you think he enjoys being silent witness to conversation you have with your friends in language he doesn't know or barely speaks ? Or even if he understands , subject of conversation may be one he is not interested in , doesn't have any knowledge of or even worse yours and your friends sexcapades. One can see such scenes in bars on daily basis, farangs in lively conversation and beside boy bored to death It's exactly out of respect for boy I'd not drag him with me and my friends. Chances go-go boy likes show in another go-go bar are minimal too so he won't be happy and you need to pay for his drink , better to give him that 300-400 baht and invite to make grand tour of Patpong market in meantime ( an idea one of my boys actually boldly suggested )

if it would be possible certainly we had few gogos already. I agree that instead of worrying about late night commuting for Jomtien part of Pattaya whoring is better to stay right there although for me it's pure theory since I always stay in Boyztown and only Jomtien adventure I had was early afternoon short time with one of Bamboo bar boys and then massage in now closed Derby Massage

while you are right , in Bangkok there are so many taxis that person willing only to pay meter shouldn't have a problem finding willing taxi within 2-3 minutes. Once I was leaving BBB Inn at 3 a.m. during heavy deluge and even in such conditions in dead of the night taxi arrived at curb in 20 seconds and I noticed few free ones approaching ( 20 seconds was enough for me to get completely wet and yes , I paid flat fee requested 500, I was prepared to pay even 600 ). But other than that only times I paid flat fee in BKK was 1-2 trips from Suriwong to Malaysia hotel and even that I haggled down to 100 while meter is 70.

What if I want boy but just not right now because I'm bar hopping with another forum member ChristianPFC? I don't want drag him with us for this or that reason so he must wait for me to pick him up. Sure he can dress and wait outside or even be directed to come to my hotel but on humanitarian grounds I don't mind if he stays in bar , being eye candy for others and perhaps earns tip or two from other patrons. But I expect him to be there ready to go when I return to pick him up. It's why MonBoy would not have a chance with me , but judging by numazu's narrative I would be loser by being so strict with my rules so sometimes it pays to be flexible. I like Jupiter system where boys who are booked or not available for an off given night don't sport number tags but still parade in their barely covered glory for all to enjoy.

no gogos allowed in Jomtien as of now

Then you did not overtip, you just used your entertainment ticket wisely

Boss, be nice to us

My line of thinking is , if I booked boy to pick him up later he is free to do whatever until pick up time but if I show in the bar he should excuse his client and come to sit down with me , exactly like Jack did

don't look for excuses and just go and report here how did you like it, just take an umbrella

perhaps you are setting it too low, I never have this sort of problems because A/c in the room but rarely I set it lower than 24 , usually higher. few times had problems after bus / car trip because driver fixed temperature too low, sudden move from 20 bus interior to 33 outside may hurt your resistance As for cold lasting a week , my grandmother used to say , if you cure it, it will go away after week , if you medicate yourself , should go away after 7 days

and in many cases also generators of wealth

it is but only to those who had this as their foremost priority. For quite a few reasons I'd not return to my previous job even if it was paying twice as much I make now and I'm sure I'm not alone . An no , it was not moneyboy job , LOL