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Don't read Firecat's , Jasper's and mine posts as criticism, rather as an instruction to readers how to avoid certain pitfalls inspired by your entry. One exception - sending boy home drunk, yes , with apologies but I don't like it for reasons explained and I'm glad you met him next day so nothing happened obviously . Whoever told you you are too generous with your tips, screw him , none of his business. Your pleasure , your money Waiting impatiently for a next installment

Gentlemen don't argue about facts

but we did not get any reports from you until now

as mention in another thread I had one of my 6 best massages ever at Sun but afters were very rushed and I did not see that boy again so I never repeat visit. Still I think it's worth a try. Never saw any of Tawan boys presented himself in front of Sun so i guess that only share name / Sun=Tawan in Thai / and perhaps ownership. I was told by somebody in the know that for short time Sun room may be used when offing Tawan boys

I guess when Obama 8 years ago was saying " yes we can" he did not envision such a choice forky123

Numazu I can't resist some comments about your last night adventures and perhaps we may even have a little discussion here. - Nothing wrong with crowding bed with two boys but I believe some rules must be adhered to in order to avoid awkward , it not outright unpleasant situations. If one takes boys from the same bar do not fall into 'you are customer , you are right " BS. Make sure that one boy approves both an idea of having other boy in the bed and takes primary role in selecting him as well as second boy is happy to go with the first one. In short tell first boy what you want , let him to do negotiations subject to your approval. From your narrative it looks that this was not done, you kind of hoisted Thai Boy on CB, he went with it on a 'customer first' principle but it did not work and could be even worse, last thing one needs is a scene in the room. Don't expect boys to say 'no' when you decide on something , this is cultural thing to avoid any unnecessary confrontation. On my last trip in Jun I had 4 nights of crowded bed , two of them were actually wholesome boy's conspiracy idea given to me just to stamp approval , other two followed prescription given above including crap when my primary boy changed his mind after deal was sealed costing me agreed 1500 tip for rejected boy who probably still things about stupid farang but I feel I did right thing. Since you wisely noticed that you contributed mightily to TB being drunk you could expect that things will not go as scripted. - Don't get me wrong but in my younger years I was heavy drinker and I grew up in a drinking culture , for me it is absolutely despicable to sent home person I was drinking with before he sobered up. Mothers of our generation, God let them rest in peace, in our drinking years always told us ' you get drunk , sleep there and come home when you sober up". Reading that part of your story got me so upset I gulped whole can of 7% Holstein German beer in one lift. I'm not criticizing you, just venting my frustration with way you handled it enforced by 7% of alcohol content in my beer. - As for tipping drunken boy I'd be more generous rationale being he got drunk with you. I'm not saying he got shortchanged though , after all as professionals they should watch their intake but one doesn't not expect 19 y.o. to be THAT smart or experienced. I wonder what others will have to say in those matters Waiting impatiently for a next installment

I can't wait to be in the first row of our congregation

Good to know your trademarks are intact and still in use

are you trying to tell us that one death is more or less tragic than another one? People usually do not choose to be at war , war comes to them. One of my closest friends arrived in Ankara for business yesterday morning , took a nap in the hotel to be woken to a sound of low flying aircraft and no so distant bombs. Thanks to technology we know at least that she is safe

Don't worry and keep typing. interesting read for people like me who don't frequent Jomtien's or as matter of fact any host bars

tea, loose leaf one , not teabag variety

What did you find uncomfortable at Tarntawan other that lack of pool ? I'm just honestly curious since I stay there few times and found it very comfy.

not a bad for a country founded by undocumented immigrants

I don't drink vodka, too much water in it, hence name derived from Slavic voda = water. Only barbarians are diluting drinks with ice. Best drink is 50% GIN AND 50% GIN, too late to ask Queen Mother to confirm

yes and no, this is what I said : "ust tell him how much bus ticket costs at home and when he compares your 100 baht to his 6.50 it will do the trick", Even if you don't pay find out how much ticket is and use that as your secret weapon

you are right, I'm of opinion that only animals are drinking water

What? another suspension? One a day would be enough, there are older men here with high blood pressure LOL

I wonder what did you drink this morning

Just tell him how much bus ticket costs at home and when he compares you 100 baht to his 6.50 it will do the trick , at least did it for me on few occasions when we had such discussion.

1. you not only one with that feeling, this is reason I prefer long times over short time styrofoam. 2. I understand using google maps to find breakfast place although being old timer I still use my eyes but how do you know it's good one ? 3. Very smart, I'm all for generosity for boys but for something in return. If they get money just for asking we have point 4. 4. If that's true, I don't want to sound cruel but he deserved to go hungry for a while to get his brain in the balance. But being you I'd think ' nice try" with such a story, he still deserved to go hungry for lying. waiting for more , you are master of suspense? Was Hitchcock your ancestor?

fortunately he may have serious relationship with your wallet and may do very good job pretending he loves you, particularly if he happens to like you

just running through all places mentioned in the posts above will keep you occupied for many trips, start with Arena

Often overlooked Magic Hands in soi Ngham Duplee where Malaysia hotel is is considered by some as hidden gem, not luxury but usually well appointed by rather twinky boys with superb massage skils, never disappointed there. to answer Michael querry I think all comes to sheer luck, not any particular place , after all it can be only one boy on duty in shabby place who may take us to 7 heaven and beyond. While I mourn HERO like countless others I must say that I had better massage experience in just two visits in new but shabby SuperHero. My list of best massages below may illustrate how random it is and that we may find superb service not necessarily in places and by the boys we expect. in no particular order: 1. Fai in Arena, still there and were recent reports here that he is still in superb form 2. M at Senso, was not there in Jun and possibly gone but porn star of few movies one would expect to play primadonna turned up very skillful, accommodating and pleasant to be with 3. Tao from Banana, now at BBB Inn, Wat Po trained and it shows. Can't imagine trip without seeing him at least once 4. One , go-go boy from SCREWBOYS, you wouldn't expect such high level of massage skills from go-go but he delivered. Looks he is gone home for good but I still mourn his absence, my best off ever but this has not much to do with massage anyways 5. Name forgotten boy from Sun massage beside Tawan, place pretty run down but his technique was amazing, like three hands massaging me , never saw him again but possibly still there 6. Nick in Pattaya, this one is still in business and was mentioned very recently in one of threads, non-sexual but who knows if he likes you ? Has motorbike and can be your diver / guide as well. While PRINCE seem to be new king and is by far classiest of all places I still keep trying to have massage there I will remember like those above. Chances are I will have since I have word that O from Hero moved there and he deserves place in the list above

and since most of them are coming from poor families with not much money at disposal to speak of at home they did not have a chance to learn it. Now they are coming to big city, getting 1000 baht tip and for second or two they feel affluent, hence those taxi trips, telephones and motorbikes on payment plans. At end of day I don't blame them, after all youth is wasted on young. We pretend to be smarter but how many farangs sunk tons of money chasing love which never materialized and replacing countless dead buffalo in the process

tell us something we don't know