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What clothes you are wearing ? All Armani and Gucci? I feel sorry for your predicament and don't want to sound rude but you are in Thailand, country where quality clothing can be bought easily and any clothing cheaply. Why you just don't dump all that contaminated stuff , buy new ones and release yourself from that misery. Treating quality fabrics with boiling water certainly don't do much good to the cloth itself. Instead of getting concerned about getting even with Sansuk get on with your vacations. I'm not saying your expectancies aren't reasonable , just pointing that you can do more to release you from that nightmare. I don't get a point of spending time in Pattaya or Vietnam without clothes, can't you just buy something to tidy you over ? My apologies for sounding harsh but this is what I think.

I don't even thought of deception. Often people find easier to ask for help than to look for solutions how to fix problem within their means and abilities. This is an attitude which often prevents us from extending helping hand when need is genuine. I agree that it's better to err on side of generosity but at times it must be limit. It's why I like to pay over the odds but draw the line after pocket is sealed with velcro again. An ideology that everyone should fend for themselves is good for an animal world , not for human race. It's easy to advocate that if one is strong and able but sometimes one false step and we can be neither.

They were , just nobody realized it. Now when he died I re-read His thread and he says that his heartburn was 100 more then normal. Only today , after shedding quite a few tears I realized that I heard this phrase before, many years ago when my godmother died suddenly from heart attack. That's sad , premature and unexpected. Sure better than going through tormenting long decline but too soon being in his 50-ties. Very sad day on the forum

Lurkerspeaks, We did not know you for too long but we missed you already.We can't even wish you a Happy Birthday today Rest in peace

again , you extrapolating too much. My experience and I have a bit, is very opposite. More 'gay for pay' he is , better performance he delivers. It doesn't mean one of us is wrong and another right. It may depend on our personalities more than boy's. Gay feminine twink may sense that my smiles are fake and may feel apprehensive and develop ' fuck you ' attitude. Straight boy may detect with 6th sense that he is not your type and will go through the motions thinking about escape and cashing in ASAP. Like one of boys often mentioned in my reports once commented: " I can do everything but don't like customer touching my cock in the bar". He is not shy and judging by his popularity , not in wrong job either. He just likes to take things slowly , perfect fit for me but may not be other , more impatient types. But others may find me boring with all that waiting for final distributing of tip and run away.

this is my experience with quite a few boys and one I recall with smile. If boy knows you better, chances are that he starts liking you more or at least realizes that you tip better for being more accommodating and he may be willing to behave more to specification, whatever it is. And they even may do it with gusto

Again , I think we are extrapolating too much based on that unfortunate incident. While it's true that Vietnamese boys were reported unfavorably few times , even in this very thread in experienced contributors are standing to their defense. In Sept in Toyboys I saw another Vietnamese boy who was recommended to me by few posters as well commented glowingly on various forums quite recently. Not my type , I recognized him immediately, smiled and tipped. While personally I have very limited experience with Vietnamese boys and can't say it was memorable experience , I wouldn't be tempted at all to paint all of them with then same brush. This goes with any nationality in the region, for example I have good reason to complain about Cambodian massage boys ( at least 4 not very good, all in Pattaya ) but only have good word to say about Cambodian go-gos. Boy in the story did not deliver because he was poor service provider , not because he was Vietnamese IMNSHO. The same logic applies to bars and massage places. My worst off was from Dreamboys but can't say a bad word about bar because one of my best I still remember fondly 4 years later almost to the day was also from there. On positive note my best boy ever was from Screwboys and I never had bad experience with Lao boy but as we can see here others may be of very opposite opinion.backed on THEIR experience.

I'd not generalize too much based on one report of unfortunate encounter. It may happen in any bar . We had quite a few good reports from Screwboys recently too. But warning it is and If I was jones I'd post boy's name or number. My guess is because jones returned to the same boy he was sitting with earlier he marked him as easy target and scammed somewhat.

jones's misfortune reminds us about virtues of travelling lightly, according to old adage 'take half goods and twice money"

Two weeks in Thailand and instead of posting your report here regularly you are busy catching bed bugs ? That's not nice. On serious note I can add I'd throw out suitcase, with all those cozy nooks you may import those bugs home

I agree but must say some of boys I met over years were / are surprisingly smart money handlers. One Arena boy , still working there told me that no matter what he always puts half of customer tip to the bank right away, he even went as far as asking me to break 1000 note in halfs to make his task easier. Two years ago I took BBB boy for 5 days Bangkok vacations. We agreed on compensation etc and he told me up front that he wants me to pay him at very end so this way he will save that money. Doubly right as he had excuse to ask me to cover his small expenses, rightly claiming he has no money. I gladly did because I like be around of smart people. Like they say 'it's better to lose something with smart than find something with stupid". But a little bit of me supports Christian's theory. Many boys would do better if they follow simple money earning tactic- more effort = more money. As long time offer who probably pays a bit over the odds and it's no secret to boys here and there I'm often surprised by rejection of long time offer for twice if not more as much claiming they are tired or need to to the gym in the morning etc excuses. And no, it's not because of me since in second breath they ask if they can see me again, I used to get upset over it but now entirely gave up and swim with the flow.

Those Classic mamasans seem never learn that their pushy tactics are only scaring people away. Hope you had luck upon return to Screwboys with such a selection. Most important , it seems Thailand did her magic and you health issues went away

have fun and report back !

You seem to have sweet tooth

by coincidence first picture in your jeans post is the same I just recently posted in model thread, no doubt we have an eye for the same type not to mention that prescription you gave at end of your article is one I'm using very , very often

for now I guess only workable solution for those lucky enough to be there is to have a Christmas dinner in Yupins and them move over to Jomtien Complex for boy dessert

I'm glad to hear you don't waste your time on being sick ! Congratulation on your entry to BKK whoring world. As for big cock show, believe you me , lack of participation is not an indicator of size. Some boys simply don't like it by their own admission. And there are those devices, easily overlooked in heat of the moment in darkened bar which create only pretense of size.

wear a hat next time you work in the garden on a sunny day

I have firm preference for long time and must say that almost always boys stick to their side of bargain when comes to time. If they want early leave , almost universally state it up front and explain why , before even money is mentioned. Usually I trust them so don't put any preconditions but rarely, if I have a feeling that he may have some sinister motives when agreeing I state plainly that if thy leave early they will get short time tip of 1000. I answered 'never' above which is not entirely accurate but with so many long times and only 4 cases when boy cut time short I consider it statistic blip. Opposite also happened few times when after full LT completed and breakfast consumed I asked for short time extension right away, in one case I bribed boy with an offer of additional 1000, tipped another one 1000 afterwards but shockingly on two separate occasions boys agreed to stay and did not want any money for an extension. I guess my original tip exceeded their expectation.

great to know you are feeling better, hope you guys had fun tonight.

welcome to the forum. It will be great to hear your comparison of those two boy paradises. Thailand vs. Brazil

oh, even here. I see as soon as you see word ' model " you can't stop leaking BS

PRISMA - It needs to be said they did good job and decor inside is definitely very modern and puts bar apart from others in the area. But they need more customers and for that they need to have an attractive stuff on duty.

Steve as long as you stay away from model thread you talk a lot of sense I can agree with wholeheartedly like in those 2 posts quoted above

I understand you are not happy but it seems that at the same time you did not like to much of an attention and feel that you did not get attention you deserve. Don't give up on bar , not to mention whole soi after one unhappy experience , what about all those times you left happy previously? As for other areas try, you guessed rightly , Screwboys, trek to soi 6 and check on all 4 bars there and don't forget about Boy66 and Jupiter2018. It goes without saying that Pattaya is only 2 hours by bus away, if you like twinks you will feel at home there.