18past19

Jason left at noon, you arrived 10 p.m.

I must have missed you by a few hours.
It must have been in 2018/2019 that I had a chance to do bar hopping with you just before Soi Twilight saw its sunset.

that exactly was my impression when I visited about month ago.

This is just a short note to warn the uninitiated not to follow my timing.
I read about midnight nudity leading to 01:30 orgy on Fridays. I don't remember reading ONLY fridays. Probably my carelessness.
Anyway, went on Saturday, enjoyed the atmosphere and 3 masculine almost nude dancers, took some fotos, gave some tips, but experienced nothing scandalous.
PS 1 - I was the only old and the only farang. No one paid any attention, or stared in an unpleasant manner.
PS 2 - for those navigating there with googlemaps, don't search for GASS (which will lead u astray) but rather for White Rabbit (GASS is on its 2nd floor).

81.37% ?

What's the chance I had the same guy with the same experience from the same bar last night ???

and that is what makes Thai scene so great , there is something for everybody. Often we cross each other when moving in very different circles. I , for one , never been to famous Babylon or any other saunas neither ever ventured to DJ station. Once talked to one of our members to discover that in his several trips he never went to Moonlights and even suggested I may help him to correct his deficiency. In January met regular visitor to both Bangkok and Phnom Penh who turned out frequenting clubs and being busy on apps but he was not award about any of gay forums , including ours and was never inside of any go-go bars in Bangkok.
You are right that often volume of sound inside bars effectively prohibits any conversation and borders on ridiculous and perhaps also dangerous to the health. Jupiter and Dreamboys were at one point particular offenders but seem that they toned down ( or I'm getting deaf ). Another nasty thing sometimes happening is AC set too low so yes, other than perceived poor quality of boys or shows and costs there may be other reasons to skip bars.
as for bantering with the staff I usually start with " I don't like boys , I like girls " which tell them I'm fun loving liar and it's easy go from there

No. Trousers with wallet were hanging in my closed all that time. For trip I used different , lightweight , trousers I only use when I travel.

@vinapu Wait... let me be sure I understand this: you carried your "lost" wallet in your trousers all the way to Thailand and Cambodia without knowing it? Only to discover it after returning home?
This has to be a story for the grandchildren!
But thanks for the trip reports; always enjoyable. Your exploration of new hotels is especially useful.

The timing for that weekend was just right for me. If only forum member 18past19 had arrived a few days earlier - I would have loved to go bar visiting with him!

Summary
 Again thanks to 18past 19 for an inspiration to travel. And to Jason 1975 for coming for weekend to see me ( and his guy ) .I set off thinking about seeing old friends  and catching with parts of Cambodia I never went to before.
Boys were my thought but this time , only 2 month after last trip,  not primary one. My mood was, no hunting , no sweat, what happens in this department , happens. It worked better than expected.  Few times when they really could to better  neither disappointed nor upset me but yes , I need to revise my hiring practices before next trip ( likely in 2032 , possibly sooner).
 Big Five – Midnight waiter ,  BOI  from Jupiter, Tan from Jey Spa, D from Dreamboys and guy I offed from Goodboys upon returning from Cambodia  were highlights, each earning their money way all should  -  giving customer whatever makes him happy. No antics , no BS and no complacency.

Next day
 
For church one needs to dress up so I did. Upon returning , as I have habit I emptied my pockets, what is in the right  pocket – usually keys and transit card goes to  right side of desk and what is in the left pocket wallet and money ( all my long life I carry money lose , not in the wallet ) goes to the left side of desk. While doing that I realized what I’m holding – yes, wallet I lost  hours before  my departure.
 How it happened? I recall  checking pockets of my trousers hanging on the hanger and nothing was there. Mystery , mother of all mysteries. Likely  deep pockets are to be blamed and one of them burdened with wallet in was hanging below line of my patting. I was not in panic then but time was limited and I wanted to deal with cancellations first, hence slacking on patting
Great relief , cards were cancelled but  there were documents – driving licence and insurance cards   I was spared  inconvenience of asking for replacement of and most important – laminated small last picture of my parents together.
 Best part was  to realize that after all , no I did not left my wallet on the counter in the pharmacy.

Day 19
 BOI declined breakfast option, I messaged reader I will be at Foodland at 9 and he showed up  there for our last talk this trip. Returned to the room, picked up my luggage , paid 80 baht for beer we drank last night,  collected my 1000 baht deposit and walked to Sala Daeng station.
Train to the airport  was surprisingly very empty for no particular reason , it looked as first  or last train  not middle of the day one . Airport was breeze, including automated gates and soon I was on my way to Taipei luxuriating  in whole 3 seats  for myself
( yes floridarob , it was row 63 ).   
Connection was reasonable 2 hours and on my long flight home I got widow seat in the last row of 777 and seat beside me was unoccupied so I could utilize that last sleepless night  to catch sleep aboard. I had 2 books to read prepared  but managed to finish only half of thinner one.
Arriving in late evening is good to  fight jet lag if any as one can go to bed at ‘normal’ time . At home in my mail box among other stuff  I found a note that tomorrow morning there’s funeral mass for a neighbour who died in meantime.
 

It was great to see you during your 1 night stopover in Pattaya and to catch up on soo many things....
I am sorry that I ran out of energy by the time that we reached the Dongtan beach gate of my condo. I really wanted to go with you to Supertown and Boyztown --> Hopefully, next time I will be more energized :>))
Vinapu, I really like this expression and I plan to use it when an appropriate situation arises. Thanks.

Day 18 , last full
Breakfast at Zing is very good value, for 200 baht we have selection of Asian and western offerings, fruits ,yoghurt, eggs made to the order, soup and dim sum style buns and other goodies . Tea is Dilmah, not some cheap stuff from dollar store.   
I checked out at 10.30 and at 11 am bus started rolling toward Swampy. In reverse of yesterday situation, rain started as soon as  we pulled from the bay. What a luck again.
It looks that rain was sticking to the sea as  highway was mostly dry and in 1 hr 50 minutes we were back in civilisation. Since I had room already checking in was not my concern but what I noticed , cleaning lady was too smart.
Upon seeing nobody slept last night she did not replenish tea and water even if yesterday I left her double tip. Not that I missed either but rules are rules, whether I used bottle or not , there was always two new bottles  placed. So cruelly I decided not to leave tip tomorrow morning ( in hotels I tip maids daily , as it goes ) .
At 2.30 meeting with reader at Foodland, we spent good 2 hours talking.
BT from Goodboys  is messaging me daily with his ‘I miss you, when I can see you  “ messages  so I sent him message  from Foodland  that I will be in my room from 5 pm the latest but that was not read until after 6 and he did not show up until 8.
I like him and when he is here he is not a time waster but I could  use more of his company , specially after all that ‘ I miss you “ waxing. After about 1 hr he went to work ,  but not before requesting “ I want to sleep with you tonight “ , unfortunately I had other plans for my last night.
 Waiting for BT I asked BOI  from Jupiter about LT tonight , he agreed immediately and commented “ why I must be always on your last night?”   ( always means in Aug he was my last guy indeed )  but , always diplomat I responded “ crown is always placed  last “ . He liked it a lot, not that I exaggerated. Our 1st meeting few trips ago was  so, so but after that each subsequent is better and better – I’m not giving that easy on guys I kind of like. 
 I told him I will pick him up from the bar after show  and went there at 10.30  entering exactly when walkabout started. Similarly like 2 days ago I tipped 3 guys (not the same three ) and two returned smile during next walk.
 After show BOI suggested we go to 7/11 to buy something to eat likely sensing that at end of trip I may be low on cash , I had about 1000 still left    but 7/11 it was and stuff we bought was quite tasty.
 Not sure it’s good idea to have such a hunk on my last night as before long trip I could use some sleep but damage  was done. I had only a hope that sleepless nigh means better sleep on the flight and was happy to learn I was not wrong.
We really hit it on, I think he appreciated repeat business and I cherished his personality , patience and first and foremost  massive body , as close to what I like as possible.
I mentioned crown and it was indeed proper crowning of very rewarding trip.

Day 17   
 In the morning   breakfast at Foodland together , again very modest choice by the boy. I don’t mind spending  this or that on the meals but I want  them to clear what they ordered and , if choosing something  more expensive  - to seek my approval.
 I know few boys which I like  quite a lot but don’t approve  their  restaurant habits  and in their case I usually tell them that I have only that much for our meals so watch what you order please. Definitely not a case with my guy from last night and I liked it that way.
Before  I set off for this trip  I was thinking about going to Pattaya to sample new G’Bangkok location there but knowing that in  second  week I will be travelling almost every 2nd day ( Sun, Wed , Fri, Sun ) I resolved to decide at the last minute.
( For uninitiated : G’Bangkok is name of restaurant owned by Guido and his cat. Pattaya location is extension of original, still opened location in Silom , soi 4)
 I had another reason to go , namely to see  clingy guy I offed from ToyBoys  on my last trip in July I was very happy with on both nights.
 Warned bkkmfj about my uncertain  plans , decide to keep my room in Raya for mt last 3 nights ,   booked room at Zing, half way between Pattaya and Jomtien for today , knowing that id I resign , loss will be modest (25$) and even booked 12 pm  ticket for bus from Swampy to Jomtien.
After returning  from Foodland I decided to go , packed whatever I needed for such short trip, sent message to bkkmfj that I’m coming  and went to the airport . In 2 hrs I was at Jomtien bus station , 20 minutes of that time was taken to combat traffic in the city itself. It was bit concerning as very heavy clouds were gathering over city.
I bought ticket for return tomorrow right away , took songtaew to the hotel and miracle of miracles , very second I entered lobby , heavens opened  but I was on dry side. It was pouring  extensively for  about 2 hours. It stopped just in time  Bkkmfj was supposed to show up.
I find him in good spirits so next our we spent in the lobby and them in my room exchanging news old and new and then we set off for longish walk  down to the Guido’s new place.
 My impression were reported and illustrated here on page 3 :
The opening of Guidos - Page 4 - Gay Pattaya - Gay Guides Forum
Guido seemed to be very happy to see us , place was quite busy  for Monday evening , actually for every evening , we liked food and ambiance so I’m glad I made an effort to see old forum friend and sample Guido’s new offerings.
Filled with excellent food we took another long walk along beach where we parted ways, Bkkmfj went home and I continued toward  Jomtien Complex. It was not very busy , I did not spot familiar faces nor any guys who I would be interested in so I hopped aboard songtaew  and went to Pattaya proper.
Boyztown  not very busy, few freelance masseurs , at least two of them of ‘ of interest” grade.  My guy from ToyBoys was eating outside and jumped immediately to welcome me and invite inside  but I promised I will be back as I wanted to see show at XBoys first.
I noticed that old , corner location of BoyzBoyZBoyz is opened  but nobody inside and only then I realized that they moved to former Music Bar location under Le Café Royale hotel. Being limited with time , I left surveying new premises to the next trip . X boys at 10 pm, was quite packed.
Show started almost immediately . Quality of boys very variable  but in hour of need I’d grade few boys as offable. Definitely everybody was friendly and not shy . I was happy to see veteran A  is still there, he recognized me as well planting kiss on me at the same time I performed vinapu tuck on him.
Lots of flesh to be seen, cocks galore, definitely most progressive bar of them all.  B Boys  did their number as always but there were only 4 of them and only one  I recognized from previous crew, fortunately , one most handsome. ( yes bkkmfj, THAT one ) .
At 11 pm I went to Toy Boys again,  about 8 boys in the stage trying to bring an attention to themselves in very friendly manner  but I had already my assignement. Bought him a drink , he agreed to long time , “ just like before”  he said and soon we were on our way to Zing. Since ‘like before ‘ was mentioned my expectancies were very high, indeed just like before  but it did not meant to be .
It did not take long before complain “ I want to sleep “ was logged countered with my ‘really? But my mood was already damped. Only  closer to the morning  he become more active  but even that not to a degree  I was familiar with when we were together in July. Classic case of entitlement , “  he offed me already and now I can try to get with as little as possible”.
When at 6 he announced he must to leave, it was silent  “ thanks God” from me. Big disappointment and he must to realize it as during day and next day he sent me few very revealing clips , meaning likely as consolation prize but for me it was too late. I did not even bother to respond. What a change in 2 months sighted I getting ready for the breakfast. Waste of money and opportunity of good night sleep

nice to be back at UNESCO World Heritage place awarded 71/2 stars by Michelin

Day 16
 Quick packing ,  tuk tuk to bus stop in front of train station ( 4000 ) , bus arrived quite soon (1500) and in 50 minutes I was in the new , shiny . Enough time for some breakfast ( USD are gone but credit card worked) and check -in.
 They are introducing  automatic gates but for now available to certain nationalities only . I did not quality but there was no line to traditional immigration. No trace in passport that I was in Cambodia this time, no stamps and visa was just on piece of paper.  
Flight  departed on time at 11 am and was not full  so my assigned aisle seat easily become window one, not that it made much of difference due to poor visibility but place where Chao Praya joins the sea looked impressive from above.
This time I used automatic gates, no issues , through in 1 minute. New SIM as previous one expired and soon I was on my way to Raya where again I got the same room I had  before. Nice to be home I thought on my way to Foodland to treat myself with chicken with cashews and French onion soup (200 total).
I did some walking  and around 7 pm I returned to Foodland for a meetup with our former contributor Reader who arrived in Bangkok few days ago. We had plenty to talk about and conversation was occasionally interrupted by sightings of bar boys going to work.
After  we split I returned to the hotel to catch up with computer stuff and at 10 pm I marched ( floridarob , did you hear that ?)    to my currently most favorite venue Jupiter. I was first customer tonight , warmly welcomed by Pooppy , the singer so promptly rewarded him with red not for good start. Soon bar started filling up. 
My Boy Of Interest came to  welcome me  so I offered him a drink. He diplomatically did not press me for an off tonight but surely I found a message to this effect on my phone later on.
 I tipped three guys during walkabout , just for good looks . two of them returned smile during next walk , one did not and that was one I like look of the most out of those 3 rewarded. After show  I went to Goodboys as I had some designs on BT . Unfortunately fortunately he was sitting with some couple, did not even notice me  until later but  another guy spotted me and came to ask for drink.
He  was absent for some time owing to sad family circumstances ( his sister died  I learned later from mamasan). Instead of drink I gave him 500 tip. He wanted me to off him and even mamasan intervened saying he did not have an off since retuning week ago.
I sensed desperation when tip he quoted for Long Time was well, well below norm so I came to my senses and  approved an idea. I told him he will get  my normal tip, I would feel bad if I took advantage of such situation.
I have soft spot for him as when he was in Jupiter few years ago he was first ever Jupiter boy who actually smiled at me on his own will . in a small sense , historical person. Of course as soon as we sealed the deal BT came and said he will go with client now but will be back in 30 minutes because ‘ I know him “ he said . Too late.
 We went to Foodland where he ordered water and cheapest Thai dish they have on the menu and there home where I must say  I was greatly rewarded by his affection.
Almost real boyfriend experience, shocking considering age difference  but it was great encounter. What I’m saying ?  GREAT ENCOUNTER I should shout. It was easy to keep my tip promise.

Day 15
  Hotel doesn’t offer breakfast so we went to Chet Café m quite classy and bit pricey place near Wat Ounalom where , as in Battambang my guy ordered way more than he  was able to eat. That is becoming bit  unnerving but I said nothing.
 In fact I secured his presence tonight for repeat. He may be wasting some food but takes his exercises very seriously and has body of steel  and a lot of it, all muscle so definitely for me worth of trouble.  Returned to hotel to pack as I’m trying another,   Xone    located in the same high rise. Funny entry -through convenience store whose cash counter doubles as hotel’s reception.   Another room with  a view of both rivers.
After day of travel yesterday  , today I’m taking it easy wandering aimlessly here and there.
At 5 pm my guy suggested  a meal in certain Japanese restaurant and since recently I start liking that food better and better  I was happy to approve.  Than after some time  he texted asking in he can invite his friend , known to me. I did not mind dining with 2 hunks instead of one so approved.
They were bit late , I already ordered something to keep myself busy.  I must say it was great idea, food was excellent and so was the bill, 70 $ princely sum for Cambodia , even for 3 of us but it was worth . And no food wasted as portions ordered were quite small , whatever we finished we just ordered more and more.
I was glad so invited them for some ice cream and then we parted ways. I went to hotel and since rain started ,  simply fell asleep waking only around 10 pm.
Time for Space Bar. Since it was my last night and I become slowly low on money, tonight I watched carefully  what and for how much I’m ordering. As always fun and no pressure from boys to tip or buy drinks. There was new guy I  liked quite a lot. Reason to return   next trip ! Hope he will still be there,
 Great accounting job , when I was leaving bar, all I had left was 10000 for remork tonight and tomorrow morning and a bus to the airport and in hotel there was money for agreed tip for my guy. Nothing left for any frills.
 Today  fun time was shorter as I have flight to catch at 11 am. I sensed some complacency, perhaps having two night in row is not good for morale I was wondering. I was not as happy as the night before but not as happy doesn’t mean unhappy.   But I need to review my hiring practices was my thought.   

Mekon hotel, room and a view

Day 14
 In the morning tip distribution , breakfast together and then my guy went home and I packed what I have and soon  tuk-tuk which was supposed to take me to bus station arrived. It turned out I could walk as station was just 2 blocks away.
 Van was not comfortable at all, we were pretty cramped , it took 6 hours for us to reach Phnom Penh and terminal on the city was quite far from the center  where my hotel was . It was easy to get tuktuk at reasonable price  but driver seemed unfamiliar with where we are going  and it was mee who were steering him through the streets to get where I wanted.
That is an advantage of apps  - driver will get a map directing him where to go.
Anyways , after travelling those 300 km for most of the day  I finally get to my hotel Mekon and when I entered my room it was just WOW! View at confluence of both rivers from 18th floor , balcony , working safe – my first since I left Sun and Moon week ago. It’s located in new high rise,   short walk from jetty where river cruise start  which means short walk to Night Market and Wat Phnom.
 After some rest  I felt urge to eat something continental  and soon , walking toward  Royal Place I spotted Italian restaurant, Spaghetti Bolognese it was and Hanuman Black of course. Filled with food I walked to Space Bar where  , in contrast with last weekend, almost all tables were occupied with revellers.  As always fun , oiled with few rounds of drinks.
No need to stress myself with offing options as I arranged with guy whom I met in Battambang to visit me tonight. Bit drunk ,I took remork to hotel around  1 am , driver who took me there surprised me with recalling that last year he took me to my then hotel OK Boutique.
My companion showed bit later , when I signalled I’m home already.  Great ,  no rush,  fun tonight .

Day 13  - part 2 , rest of the day
 Since I mentioned I need bus ticket to Phnom Penh for tomorrow  my driver offered to take me to some carrier office. Not sure that was good idea,  they had only van on offer for 23 $ . Considering that in January I paid 20$ for 1st class VIP bus with single window seat it seemed overpriced  but I gave up as all I wanted at this point was  to shower and get a nap. Van it is
Agreed price for all day tour was 30$ and this is what I paid but again it was a little bit over market. Famous ‘gay premium “ charged often by gay businesses thought I, I wont be haggling over 5-7 $  as he needs that money more than me .
I slept till 7. I went to burger place  on roundabout at river end of 7 Makara street , owner is American and he knows thing or two about burgers. 10$ with Ganzberg  beer and tip.
At 9.30 I went to Barcode, place was packed  but no sight of that handsome guy I tipped yesterday. Patrons of mixed variety but  quite a few male/ male couples.
Handsome local guy was absent  but pack of young farangs seating in front of me  included super hunk, as a bonus not exactly overdressed so I got a very pleasant vantage point.
After a while who shows – T , may last night guy with his friend. They tried to invite themselves for a drink  but I offered one just to T , buying drink for somebody I don’t even know just because he has friend seemed excessive. T was very diplomatic , did not mention  room visit yet but at one point suggested we move to  a GOD so we went there.
One of  patrons, C, well known to me from previous bar visits and encounter we had few years ago had birthday so I treated him with drink and slipped him 20 $ as a gift, if only because I like his personality. My pleasure I said to him when he was saying his “ thank you, that’s really for me” .
T did not waste time in meantime , secured another round of checking stamps  and even cheekily suggested C comes with us  to help with stamp sorting. Balm to my ears , specially that first reaction was positive. C said ‘ we did it already threesome with T  twice “ but I kind of know how he works  - first creating  hope , then some excuse so I knew it’s just a stage. Another great night with Jomtien Complex trained T. What’s wrong with me with those twinks in my bed this trip I wondered.    
 

Neak Pean , temple and a bridge


Preah Khan

Western gate from the road

sorry about the mess in pics above owing to interruption of connection with the forum . too late for edit. Last picture is Back gate of Ta Som temple. Tree encompassing gate picture is gone

Western gate seen from the walls

Pre Rup