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That was exactly my thought. @Olddaddy was saying boys in Bangkok are hotter than in Pattaya. Off course that's different for everybodies own taste of guys. But yeah... If you like hunks over twinks maybe better to spent a bit extra money on the Bangkok boys instead of spending that money on travel and extra hotel costs to go to Pattaya... Normally I'm not the type of guy anymore to go out dancing till late at night. That year's are behind me. Except for when I'm in Bangkok. DJ station makes me feel (and behave) younger I think... Lol So I completely understand @Olddaddy on this.

I was thinking about going to senso in about one-and-half week when I'm in Bangkok again. This sounds good. The type of bottom I like. What was his name? Or do they work with numbers? Is het to be seen somewhere on senso social media?

Was good reading your report on Mr Tuesday @bkkmfj2648! And even if it probably was not the best ever (problem for boy keeping hard, not cuming), still you had a good time! Good to hear. And off course I do remember the papasan you referring too. How could I forget him? He was more slutty than some of the stageboys that memorable night we were in Xboys together... How come nobody recognized you? After all the drinks we bought the boys that night you would think they would remember you when you walked in again a week later. China is nice. Good to visit this country and to be able to cross it off the lost. But it will never become my favorite country. Not much action going on here. In some places I was, the nearest gay on the apps was more than 100km away... Lol. In Beijing I had a nice massage with some extra fun. That was good. He is a hairdresser / masseuse who offers to do his services in sexy underwear. See one of his profile pics below. I didn't need a haircut unfortunately but I opted for the erotic massage. Tomorrow I travel to Shanghai. Apparently a bigger gay scene. So maybe get some action there. Otherwise I still have 4 Bangkok nights before I fly home to make up for the action-less China time...

I think it is normal the western and African guys ask a bit more than Asian guys. Just because scarcity leads to higher prices. I think for Pattaya 1500 or 2000 for massage session and some fun (st) is acceptabel. I like to be generous and offer 2000 if the boy is goodlooking (for me than means hunk instead of twink) and services are provided as wished for. Funny to see boy prices almost always lead to (small) discussions. I think for everybody the idea of what are acceptable fees are different. Same that if a boy is "good" in the opinion of one customer, somebody else can maybe not like, because the massage is too soft or too hard for their personal liking. I might offend some with this, but: Years ago when I first came to Thailand (2012) it was said 1500 baht was generally spoken the normal fee for boys in Pattaya and in Bangkok that was 2000. Isn't it normal that these prices go up a bit during the years? In general prices went up, also for local life (rent, food) in Thailand. How can you expect still to pay the same as more than 10yrs ago? Also: offering a boy 700baht and him accepting this, is that just making a good deal or is it maybe using the boy because he is desperate for some money? Food for thought. (and maybe angry replies) 🤣

TRIP REPORT: LAST DAY IN PATTAYA While all bars in Jomtien Supertown Complex had every night just a few customers sitting on the terraces, it was different on Wednesday night in @home bar. Every week there's a free bingo from 8pm till 10pm. The terrace and inside area of the bar were full of farangs, some with their boys. I had no luck. Last round I only needed one more number to get full card bingo and wining a bottle of alcohol or jackpot money. But somebody was having bingo just before me. In earlier trip report I mentioned I had a massage moneyboy from USA. Some of you commented on Russians and other nationalities available for paid sex (oh sorry, massage off course I mean). On grindr I did find the well known (top) guys from Madagascar. But there was also a guy Morocco (long curly hair) and a western looking guy that I don't know nationality of on the app promoting their services. See pics below. Another western guy from France caught my eye. First he asked 4k. But without too much effort his price dropped to a more reasonable 2500baht. Invited him to my room for a very satisfying massage (sensual, medium pressure) where he was a good bottom for me. He stays one more month in Pattaya, for who is looking on Grindr for him. One of his pics is below. I'm writing this trip report while I'm at Suvarnabhumi Airport for my flight to China. The friendly driver of The Limo Pattaya was on time this morning at my hotel and dropped me at the airport about 90 minutes later, after a smooth drive in a confortable car. After round trip in China, Hong Kong and Vietnam I will be back in Bangkok 4 more nights before heading home. Probably will write something about these Bangkok nights also next month.

TRIP REPORT: MORE DAYS IN PATTAYA The days in Pattaya have been very relaxed. Just what I need before I go on a solo sightseeing trip in China. During daytime at the beach. Reading, listening podcasts, maybe take a short nap. Late afternoon hours are for chilling in hotelroom. Sometimes enjoying a massage. Out for dinner and after some drinks. One of the dinners was in 3Mermaids restaurant on top of the Pattaya cliffs. Beautifully views and very nice of you can sit in one of the "birdsnests" overlooking the restaurant and sea. Pre-booking these seats is recommended, but we were lucky there was still a nest available when we turned up unannounced. Thanks to @bkkmfj2648 and his "local friend" for taking me there. Depending on what you choose, food can be a bit pricey. But you also pay for "the experience". The restaurant is located in Phra Tamnak and there are a few popular restaurants with also great views next to each other. Below picture of Forest restaurant. If you're staying in pattaya I do recommend using the Hornet app besides Grindr. Spent a few bucks on 1 month paid membership and much more twinks show up on Hornet than in Grindr. Worth it. At foxy massage there was a new boy. Arrived in Pattaya 5 days ago but already got recommendations about him. So off course needed to try the new boy out. The 500baht fee for massage place was fixed. But the "tip" for the boy himself was according to him completely up to me. I made sure and gave him reasonable rate of 2000baht but probably new boy needs to learn he has to come up with a minimum tip amount himself during chatting. Before he falls in the hands of a cheap basterd who will maybe only give him 1000baht after his services... Very friendly and sweet guy. But English skills very bad. Even simple sentences needed the translation app before he could understand. His massage was nice. Relaxing, sensual. Not hard. And for extra service he really likes to look for what you enjoy to make sure you like what he is doing. When he took a shower afterwards I already thought he was taking long time in bathroom. But found out he made some new pictures for his grindr profile in my bathroom... See one of these pics below. By the way this guy likes making pictures of himself. He is changing his profile pics more often than @vinapu is switching boys when visiting Thailand... 😜🤣 Massageboy smelled familiar when he came out of the bathroom. He had put on some of my perfume, which I didn't mind.

Remember, you're on holiday so you should do what you feel for. Don't live by the idea in Thailand you need to have sex with a boy everyday. Of course for many of us Thailand is the place where more sex happens than probably at home. But still there should be no "obligation" to anything in your mind. While some in this forum will find it a day wasted when not having a boy, I think there is absolutely no need to do it every day. You should do it whenever you feel like it. For me, the first few days in Thailand I have boys every day. But after that, it changed to maybe every other day. What is this obsession with "need to be horny and have sex everyday"? Off course pills and other stuff are good for when you really have libido problems. But not for when sometimes there is a day you don't feel horny. I think it's more natural to sometimes not be horny and don't wanna have sex than be horny and have sex multiple times a day, everyday. While on the other hand there is absolutely nothing wrong with our forum members who do have multiple boys each day in Thailand during their whole stay. But just wanna say there is nothing wrong if you don't.

Wouldn't have guessed that. Because you wrote you see many hot boys at Mbar and the boys there are very twink. But I can only applaud you for your good taste of guys... As it's same what I like. More hunks than twinks.

Apparently according the inside information, Mbar, Sunnee bar and The Club Lounge all belong together. All bars have same kind of twinks walking around so would be surprised same owner is behind it. It's clear now what kind of boys @Olddaddy likes. Haha.

After the opening night of the "new" Dorothy, when they brought in entertainment from Circus Bangkok, I didn't see much promotion about if the have any shows or if they are even open...? Anybody knows more? I missen the show at Best Bar last weekend. They didn't do it because there were not enough customers... Last night I was at the M2M show. That one is really good. And always goes on as it's a populair show. Check it out. Starts at 22h30.

TRIP REPORT SUNDAY IN PATTAYA No rain this afternoon. Yesterday it was raining almost all day and I was getting so bored. But today it looks fine! So after lunch it was time to relax at the beach. Off course in the "gay area", just after the public toilets. The good thing about being in holiday: not having to do anything. Before I knew it, it was time already to head back to the Agate hotel for shower and get ready for evening-program. First dinner at Dick's Cafe and after some drinks at Meeting Point bar. From there you can easily check out the massage boys sitting in front of Foxy Smile, Pattaya #1 Massage and even Soda Massage. And decide on your favorite boy whike enjoying a drink and the friendliness of the bar staff and the white cat "Latte". The staff of Meeting Point are in close contact with the massage boys at Foxy and Pattaya #1, so if there is any boy there you like the bar staff is happy to go to your boy of choice and invite him to sit with you for a drink before you decide on a massage. I decided to go check out the show at M2M, which was very entertaining. The cabaret boys are eyecandy, the ladyboys know how to put on a show. And lipsyncing is in most of the act good and much better than most places in Thailand. The show starts at 22h30 and lasts till after midnight. I did had my eyes on one of the massage guys at Foxy Smile, but that place was already closed when I passed it after the M2M show. So I went to the app. Found a hot Cambodian guy with the exact amount of musle I like, working at Toyboy but living in Jomtien complex. He was off and sitting in a bar drinking. Was was willing to join me in my hotel room for 1500baht, saving me the off fee of when I would have picked him up from Toyboy. So my night did have a happy end after all...

Hahahaha! Or should I write: 5555 That none of the willing boys from X-Boys found their way to my hotel room, doesn't mean I did not have some fun in the bedroom. I had appointment with a MB from the USA... Quite a novelty. He was a very friendly "straight" boy, with who you can also have nice conversation. Heavy tattooed chest. Very good body. Nice cut dick. But... Available for Thai prices! 2000baht for massage, touching, mutual sucking. 3000baht if he needs to bottom. This straight boy told me he loves anal stimulation. Because he's straight he doesn't like kissing with a guy... But... There a price on everybody and everything. So when you pay 4000baht kissing is possible according to his "price list". Below is his Grindr profile. Massage was average. Not very special but sufficient. His sucking was nice and his dick also nice to suck. Somehow it was a big turn on to make a straight buy hard... Lol

BoyzBoyzBoyz once was a very good place to visit. Nowadays a venue to be avoided for many reasons. Boys fully clothed on stage, many of them not even go with men, high prices, kind of customers they get in nowadays... I recommend you try X-Boys instead. Read my trip report in the Thailand forum to read why...

Your next trip is in 2027... 🤔 Can not be possible. You mean January 2025 I think? Thailand, the bars and the boys cannot survive that long without KFC guy!

@Olddaddy was last seen taking a motorbike taxi from Dreamboy Pattaya to X-Boys because it was too far to walk according to him... Just joking.

I agree with @Foolish about the good shows they give at X-Boys. I visiting them last night. See my trip report :

TRIP REPORT: WHAT HAPPENS IN X-BOYS, STAYS IN X-BOYS... Last night we entered X-Boys around 22h30 when their "warming-up" show was ending. Well, the boys already warmed up good. As two guys were going around the establishment collecting tips while one was getting fucked by the other. If that's only the warming up, than what are we going to see at the main show...!? A recent trip report about X-Boys (see link below) was correct. The best and most erotic show I've seen in a long time. Reminds me of the "good old times" of the live sexshows in Soi Twilight in Bangkok. Actually all acts had nudity in it, many with erected cocks. So much cock and nudity in one show... Wow. The boys are making good contact with the crowd. Audience participation possible, when for example some guys go walk. Around with lotion and you are invited to use it on their bodies. Other acts included (but acts may vary per night) fake raping scene, play the drums with dick, shower scene, golf game using their cock as a club, big cock parade, erotic massage scene and off course at the end the real fucking and the guys going through the room collecting tips. After the main show (or they call it "big show") things escalated quickly. It started with one of the waiters being slutty and dancing with his booty against me and fellow forum member I was with (and us placing out hands all over his body). Before the 1am 'extra show" started, there were around 6 boys all over us. A lot of grabbing, feeling, kissing... Naked butts and cocks flashing. These boys were so playful and horny. Thank God there were not many customers left to see how we were behaving badly. It costs a few boydrinks and tips, but we had a very good time! After the 1am show the shenanigans continued. I had to sent some boys away as new ones kept presenting themselves to us, hoping for drinks and tips also. But I thought with 6 boys plus waiter/manager we were already buying enough boys drinks. Plus not all of them trying to get a piece of the cake were my type that I wanted that kind of intense attention from... 5555 It really felt the boys that we did invite to join were having a good time also. Laughing a lot. Drinking. And getting involved with each other. Making jokes, feeling each other's dicks and butts. Just after 2am it was time for a last round of tips while saying goodbye to everyone. What a night!

A girl gogo / host bar...

Don't we all have good memories at Soi Twilight... That was a very unique street. Remembering sitting on terrace watching lots of people passing by. Seeing them being talked into a massage or visiting a boyshow. Was always very entertaining to just watch people in that street. It was so busy most of the times. And the shows were spectacular... Live sex. Underwater show. It was all there. Yes maybe we sound like "in the old days everything was better" old bitter gay men. But... Look at it from the other side: we are the lucky ones who got to experience Soi Twilight! Specially here in Thailand. Where the guys are known for using so many smoothening filters for their profile pics or use photos of years ago...

Oh yeah. I forgot to mention we went to Mbar after The Club Lounge. Actually the bars are comparable. Also cute twinks who are naughty and willing to play. They are very friendly. And so is the owner. This woman had a bar in Sunnee Plaza first and moved to Jomtien. They have some kind of show on small stage in the bar that ends around midnight. We missed that as we came after midnight, so can't comment on that. What I didn't like in Mbar is the strong distinguished smell of mothballs.

I was thinking the same. At Mango Tree you can for example also eat lobster. But off course that will be more expensive. I just had chicken cashew and the special rice with mango. And that was tasty and priced very reasonable.

TO PATTAYA FOR SOME DAYS To get from my hotel in Bangkok to Pattaya I used the service of Thelimopattaya. Previous years I always used Mike Taxi but as I read on this forum stories about them turning up late or not at all, I decided to go for another company with which other forum members had good expierence. And I agree with them. Friendly driver arrived on time at my hotel and the car was clean and comfortable. The drive to pattaya took a bit more time than normal, because of heavy rainfall. But better safe than fast. Meeting up with fellow forum member in pattaya was great fun. During dinner in Nathan's (recommended, just outside Jomtien Supertown Complex) I got updated on all the news and gossip. And off course a lot was talked about boys, shows and bars. After dinner a quick walk through the complex. To see what bars are gone and what's new. Had a look at the Vegas style new neon signs that look beautiful. More and more bars started doing some kind of shows in Jomtien complex. Dance act on the street, or cabaret show on the bar itself. Some pictures on Facebook of Best Bar looked promising (see below), so we decided to sit down for drink on their terrace waiting for the show. But unfortunately the show did not happen that night. Maybe can catch it another night. I wanted to be on that chair touching the boys while doing their dance routine... Lol THE CLUB LOUNGE While on the terrace at Best Bar, we did see quite some traffic at the opposite side of the road at The Club Lounge. Men getting in and out the small bar the whole time, and we could see many shirtless twinks inside. For the sake of this trip report decided to check it out. I've never been to Sunee Plaza but off course I have read about the bars there on this forum. I can imagine these bars were like The Club Lounge. Twink heaven, lots of willing boys. And a naughty atmosphere. Unfortunately twinks are not really my cup of tea. I like hunks more. But was fun to have this bar checked out. My idea that The Club Lounge had the atmosphere of the former bars in Sunee Plaza was confirmed to me by a forum members that use to go there himself. So for anybody of you missing the "old days" of Sunee: go check out The Club Lounge.

I'm in pattaya now and planning to visit Boyztown area downtown tonight. Sounds like XBoys is best place to go for show. Will definitely have to go there. Anybody knows showtime(s) of XBoys?

TRIP REPORT DAY 4 As today is alcohol ban due to Buddhist holiday, the clubs and bars will be closed tonight. So i figured out this was a good day to meet up with my regular. A guy not working in a bar or club, but who I've met via Grindr some Bangkok visits ago. I wrote about him in earlier trip reports; see link if you want to know more "details", see quote below. I lost contact with him on Grindr. He doesn't share his line or WhatsApp as he wants his "side business" strictly seperate from his private life. When I was back in Bangkok I hoped to see his profile pop up again. Yesterday I was lucky. Fun fact: I remembered his profile pictures was close up of his ass with black underwear. First night I was in Bangkok I directly thought I've spotted him again. But it seemed to be somebody with a similar profile picture. I will post both, so you will understand my confusion. First one is not my regular, 2nd picture is his profile. See how they would look like each other in the grindr grid? After that disappointment of that first profile wasn't him, I was so happy to see the real regular pop up yesterday. Today in afternoon he visited me in the hotel. Like the other times I had a good massage and fireworks after. He was still that good as I remembered. Nice. After shower to wash off the massage oil it was time to head out for dinner. Passing by soi4 where indeed, except for G's restaurant, everything was dark and closed. See picture. During dinner I was thinking about what to do tonight. Bars closed. Already had massage and sex 1hr ago... During dinner I got grindr message from Italian guy who arrived in Bangkok today and was looking for someone to have a chat with. He was actually looking for somebody to explore Bangkok with and also go to bars and clubs together. Told him I'm leaving for Pattaya the next day but could give him some insider information and tips. He invited me to come have a drink with him, sending me picture of him sitting with a beer. What? It's alcohol-ban-day... Where is he? So I ended up chatting the rest of the evening with him, drinking alcoholic drinks, on the first floor of a bar/restaurant. Out of sight from the public and the men in brown. After all, it's Bangkok... Full of secrets en surprises everywhere. Lol

TRIP REPORT DAY 3 Woke up late today and went for breakfast/lunch af Coffee Club in the new Park Silom. Another brand new building with the first two or three floors filled with eateries. Silom Complex, Silom Edge, Park Silom... Same same but different.. I noticed a gap where the demolished the old buildings just next to Sala Daeng skytrain stations, between Park Silom and Silom Center. Probably another new development will be build there... Let me guess: big building with room for more of the same (fast food) restaurants... Lol Thanks for this idea. I went there in the afternoon. Beautiful place to visit. The less known temples can also be nice to visit. And so nice to be walking around almost empty temple grounds, without swarms of tourists. From Wat Ratchabophit I walked Wat Suthat Thep to conclude my little temple visiting afternoon. For dinner I went to one of the forum members favorites: Mango Tree. As always it was very nice and for a very very reasonable price. If you are few of the last ones on this forum that haven't been there yet, make sure to go there next time you're in Bangkok. JUPITER I totally understand the criticism Jupiter is getting sometimes on this forum. They have many boys on rotation, but there is not much variation in the kind of boys on stage. If you're looking for a skinny twink, you are not going to find it here. If your taste of boys is more like mine, hunks with some muscles, Jupiter is like being in heaven. Lol I think last night about 90% of the boys could be offed by me. How to make a choice when there's so much to your liking? Thank God (or Buddha) for the helpful papasan who gave me a sign by every "gay" that entered the stage. That narrowed down the amount of choices. And soon a had a nice smiling favorite as my choice of the day. The boys only wear numbered tags at the last round on the catwalk. Why don't they do that all evening? Now during rest of evening staff needed laserpens to point out which guy they were referring to or to make sure they asked the right boy to come sit with customer. Being back in Jupiter made me remember why I like it there. Not only because so many hot boys of my taste, but also because the music played (both show songs as in between acts) is good. And the acts nicer to watch than average gogo bars. For example, when a ladyboy has an act in Jupiter there will always be hot male dancers on stage together with her. Also the boys doing their dance routines are better than in other bars. More striptease like, instead of for example the old fashioned slow motion dancing or other things we see in the other bars. Pricewise it's not a big difference with the other bars... Barfee 500 baht, tip for boy 3000 for 2hrs according to papasan. Remind you: same prices are asked in Dreamboy. So Jupiter is not that much more expensive than some other bars.