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I visited the place on a Monday night last week. Only 3-4 customers and less than 10 boys. Everyone where friendly and not to pushy. The first offers where not my type but the third one was a shy 18 year old newbie. Quoted 70€ for HJ and BJ, 150€ for full service. Took him to my hotel (Motel One Tiergarten) and showered together. We both enjoyed not only the warm water in the shower. Went to bed and had fun. Communication was only via Smartphone possible.

I visited the place on a Monday night last week. Only 3-4 customers and less than 10 boys. Everyone where friendly and not to pushy. The first offers where not my type but the third one was a shy 18 year old newbie. Quoted 70€ for HJ and BJ, 150€ for full service. Took him to my hotel (Motel One Tiergarten) and showered together. We both enjoyed not only the warm water in the shower. Went to bed and had fun. Communication was only via Smartphone possible.

I visited the place on a Monday night last week. Only 3-4 customers and less than 10 boys. Everyone where friendly and not to pushy. The first offers where not my type but the third one was a shy 18 year old newbie. Quoted 70€ for HJ and BJ, 150€ for full service. Took him to my hotel (Motel One Tiergarten) and showered together. We both enjoyed not only the warm water in the shower. Went to bed and had fun. Communication was only via Smartphone possible.

Have fun in Berlin. 
Last time I was around PInocchio and Tabasco (a couple of years ago), the bars were pretty dead, but some boys were hanging around, eventually available. This was at the end of the afternoon. I do not think there are any safety issue in the area. Of course, if you go with a boy, it is a different story. Much better and safer IMHO to go on grindr or other apps. 
As for Lab.oratory, you should go to their site 
https://www.lab-oratory.de/
The best days for the lab. are thursdays. Everyone has to be naked, wearing only shoes. So WYSIWYG (What you see is what you get). Many great looking guys there. If you are not very good looking, you might get little attention. Even guys on the slings might not accept you to fuck them ... If you go to pee, you can do it in the usual toilet bowl or in the mouth of the various human toilets who are begging you to piss in their mouth ... Sorry for the kink. 
Other days in Lab. are great, particularly Fridays when there is no dresscode, but many guys are naked. 
And is you like fetishes, you can choose a party on the internet site : Fausthouse, Office sluts meets working dicks,  yellow facts, gummy. 
I went once on a mud westling party and it was clearly mentionned that it was NOT scat. 
A very good party nowadays, IMHO, is the "Daddy meets twinks" party which occurs every 2 to 3 months (next is Nov 21). 
On sunday afternooon, there is a Naked sunday. This one starts at 4 pm and door is closed at 6 pm 
 
The other party worth attending is the fickstutenMarkt (Horse Fair), happening more or less every month in Kit Kat Club. Unfortunately, it is today ... 
https://www.fickstutenmarkt.de/

Laboratory for me was best Thursdays

https://www.lab-oratory.de/

I think it is a rule in the EU that companies must state prices including taxes, which is really a good thing. As soon as you change the IP address to outside EU, companies show prices excluding taxes because it looks cheaper.

In my youth I was surrounded by more cock than I could handle. Literally.
Free sex was immediately available, 24/7.
Suddenly, in my mid -thirties, I found I was invisible. In a country where the emphasis is on youth, I was considered too old and no longer desirable. It was a huge blow to my ego. My life, which revolved around sex, had changed.
I still got groped on the train every day, but places like bars and gay cinemas became harder to attract the attention of the guys I was interested in. I started being approached by guys quite a it older than me, and it was a weird experience. The young guys who normally would have been chasing after me were now looking for younger partners.
I belonged to a couple of sex clubs, so getting laid wasn't a problem, but even there I noticed a bit of a change in attitude. In the beginning, I was the first guy they'd approach, whereas now I was second or third in line.
I have no problem paying for sex. I love the concept of having sex with someone I really want to be in bed with. I have certain criteria which must be met - handsome, friendly, Asian, nice bloody, big cock - and these criteria can't always be met by guys you randomly hook up with. 

I see five  reasons :
1/ I have money to pay
2/ by paying one is not entangled in the web of favours, dinners, shopping trips and such, deal s done , money paid , see you next time or not
3/ combing through apps offerings is waste of precious vacation time and puts me to sleep (alone) 
4/ worlds wealth  spreads more evenly with more money going to the iPhone starved needy
5/ I get tickled by heckling "that much for just 3 hours !!!, it's spoiling market for others ( for those suspicious , no I don't inflate prices paid I'm reporting just to have that tickle )

Thanks for that. The details are labyrinthine and complex. It seems to say that an employer only needs to pay a food service employee 2 thirds of the minimum wage of $15.00ph, which incidentally is higher than UK, but also says that  an employer  can make no deduction!  I'm sure this is explained somewhere, but I haven't  the energy! So, food service employees  get a minimum  of $10.00ph, plus tips. OK, $10.00 Is not a lot, but they must make way over $5.00ph in tips. I assume that a sensible system, like paying a proper wage, or adding a service charge to the bill, as in the UK, usually 12.5%, would be considered un-american. In France a tip is not usually  expected, but the employees are paid properly.  Same in Germany. 

thanks for the info ........but can you tell what evening of the week was it , how much etc and what did they do for the money ?
thanks in advance .

thanks for the warning

1 day . massage at Jey Spa, bar visit in Jupiter and offing boy for body worship from there
2 day massage at Sabaidee spa, bar visit in Moonlight and offing boy for  etc.
3 day  massage at Arena , bar visit in Tawan and offing boy for....etc 
4 day massage at one of shops in soi 6 ( boys are mostly outside )  , bar visit in Hot Male  etc
5 day trip top Pattaya , massage in one of shops in Jomtien Center ( boys outside ), evening trip to Boyztown, offing boy from BoyzBoyzBoyz
6 day in Pattaya , massage in Paradise spa in Boyztown and offing guy from Xboyz Pattaya etc
if you decide to stay in Bangkok
day 5 massage in one of shops along Suriwong , offing boy from new Sol bar
day 6 massage in s';sense in soi Suan Plu, offing boy from Banana club or Dreamboys / toss the coin /
have fun 
don't eat up to 2 hrs before massage

Despite having been to the US many times, I am still amazed at this practice and the amounts involved. On the other hand, I have seen Americans get all flustered in Asia when service providers refuse their tips. 
Once incident I remember: I was once travelling with an American colleague to a secondary city outside Beijing. We were going up to our hotel rooms after check-in, and a bellboy was helping us with our luggage. When we reached our rooms, he offered a tip to the bellboy, who refused it, saying something like "I'm only doing my job, sir." The bellboy's accent was difficult to understand (though I would credit him for speaking in English at all, and in a secondary city too - how many American bellboys in, say, Cincinnati, can speak Chinese?), but I knew what he said. However, my colleague (ike so many Americans) had a hard time dealing with foreign accents, and didn't know what the bellboy said, only that the chap wouldn't take the money. 
My colleague looked at me and asked in a whisper, "Is it too little?". Yes, that was what crossed his mind!
I am much, much happier in countries, like in Asia, where tipping is not expected. Thailand is actually one of those countries. The problem is that the gogobars and massage parlours mis-use the word "tip" to mean service fee. Thus causing much confusion.

Everyone's experiences and limits are different. Here in numerical order for short time:
500 is still accepted for street trade (Saran Rom Park) and I do some of my business there.
800 is the minimum tip for 1 hour for most boys in Saphan Khwai and Inthamara massage places, and I do some of my business there. Fee for massage shop separately.
1000 is what I pay for boys from apps in Bangkok or in gogo bars in Pattaya (Winner Boys, Nice Boys). This is my upper limit but many here pay much more regularly.
1500 is the minimum boys in gogo bars in Bangkok ask for and some bars in Pattaya (Toy Boys, Classic Boy Bar former Cupidol). I don't pay that and I don't go there.
2000 seems the average gogo boys in Bangkok ask for.
I have been asked for 2500 online once, no sorry.
I have been asked for 5000 online once, no sorry. Cute and popular on Twitter, but I have my limits.
 

Twink:

https://twitter.com/Thisis_Yoshi/

I am planning to start my business in Thailand hopefully by December. This will ofcourse be a gay bar but I am planning to get Models from different nationality such as Morroco, South Korea, Japan, Philippines and Africa. Also on  tge second floor, im planning to have a good rooms for those who want to do ST.
 
Do you think this will be a good idea? Im also open for partnership but lets talk personally on Bangkok. I already talk to one Thailand nationality so this busoness will surely happens. Just plotting everything we need.

I understand you but personally I learned that naming and shaming in the open is counterproductive and leads to undeserved problems for  boys in questions and me as well.
unfortunately there are weirdos  reading us too and some readers  tend to magnify what they read beyond reason. Not to mention  that scientifically one statistic sample is not   basis for hypothesis. So criticizing in the open after just one  unfortunate or less fortunate case may not be fair.
Nothing stops members from trying to obtain clarification by way of PM although response can't be guaranteed, specially when member is new. It's surprising how often I get very specific questions from  members who just joined and never hear from them again.    

If u still want to see live people fucking, sauna is currently your best bet. O party will usually have models who will fuck each other or fuck with other sauna goer. Of course, u yourself can join in as well, but u would have to be naked. 

I visited the original Thermas - in Barcelona - over two successive nights at the end of April.   First Night - Wednesday   On the first night, I got there about 6 pm.  I don’t see that many guys about  - I would say there was about seven guys for hire, and maybe same amount of clients.    In particular I noticed three rather feminine young men, who I first though were rentboys, but then realised that they were clients. They tended to stay in their own group and made no attempt to hire that I saw. I am not sure if they went into the wrong sauna, or just wanted to have a look around at the scene (of course, for all I really know, they may have been sated from a big orgy with a dozen rentboys just before i arrived).   Some of the escort guys were eating and seemed to have retired from the hunt, for the time being at least. I was only approached by a Nigerian guy and a South American guy (cannot remember exactly which country he said) named Juan.   I was not hugely taken with either guy. I agreed to go into a room with Juan for massage, which ended in mutual masturbation and he gave me a BJ. We agreed on €50 and I gave him €60  - we are in the room from maybe 40 minutes altogether.   The sauna was a bit quieter than I anticipated, so I asked Juan if it had been busier earlier in the day, and he said it was. So the next day Thursday I made an effort to be there by 4 pm.   Second Night - Thursday   There was a bigger crowd of guys this time. Maybe 15 escorts and slightly more customers. Several escorts approached me, but none very aggressively. I had a chat with Juan, who was there again, and seemed anxious for repeat business. In general the feeling I got was that they rentboys were nearly all South American guys. However, I did not like to question too much if I wasn’t interested in them, as I didn’t want to be seen to be "leading them on", so to speak.   I went for a dip in the little pool there ( a very pleasant feature which few mention in reviews) and saw a rather moody looking guy sitting in the seats in the corner at that level. He was a rather handsome, masculine, Eastern European looking kind of guy, so I went over and said hello. He was the only guy I took the initiative to approach in the Sauna.   He turned out to be a Russian guy called Ivan. We we had a chat and we agreed to go to a room. The only free rooms were both very dark and small, so I decided to splash out €10.50 for a private room The main advantage this was that it had sheets on the bed, and you could turn the lights up a lot, all the better for appreciating Ivan's fine physique!   Ivan told me he was straight, and top only. He had previously been a professional footballer. But now he was unemployed, and needed money.   We agreed to €60 for him to give me a massage and mutual masturbation. The massage was a bit hard for me - he told me he had been trained in proper sports massage, but I am more used to the light rubbing you get in Thai sexy massage place as a prelude to the "afters".   He then offered to fuck me. However, I was not in the mood for that, so I just told him I wanted him to cum. He said that he wanted another €30 or €40 for that, so I decided not to bother (there is nothing as desire-killing, as a guy who starts to negotiate in the middle of a session). In fairness to him, however, we had not discussed it before we entered the room, and I know it would probably hinder his ability to do so with a later client. So I didn’t hold that against him   Instead I just got him to  wank me until I came.   In the room, he seemed a little morose. I asked him if he was thinking of going back to Russia, and he said he was afraid to at the moment, with the possibility of conscription into Putin's war machine.   When we ended our session though, he accepted his €60 with a big smile, and volunteered to give me his phone number so we could arrange a session outside Thermas. So I think he was happy with his 40 minutes work and remuneration overall. However, as I was flying out the next day, I couldn’t take him up on the offer.   All in all, although it was not the most exciting sex experiences I have had, it was very pleasant and relaxing The rentboys all stayed out of the clients locker area, and it felt a very safe environment for both the rentboys and clients.

Intro

I have been reading trip reports of those who have recently been to Bangkok, and taken in a lot of the information that helped me decide some of the things I could do and visit on this trip and places I might want to eat at.

It’s only fair that I return the favour by writing about my recent visit to Bangkok.

I was last in Bangkok in mid February 2020, soon after the start of COVID, and just a few weeks before travel started to shut down to/ from most countries. This February was my first time back in the city since then.

On this trip, I had visited a number of other cities in Africa before heading to Thailand. Bangkok was my last stop, before heading home. This time, I was there for 12 days, in mid February.

I came via Doha, travelling on Qatar Airways. I will say, without any hesitation, that their service is the best I have experienced compared to many of the other airlines I have travelled on over the past 5 years. Theirs was actually the cheapest fare in business class from the African city I was travelling from. Their lounge in Doha is huge and lots of staff there to help you if you needed any assistance. The lounge in Bangkok, although smaller, was quite something! They have a limited choice of food options in their lounges, although they will make fresh sandwiches and cook eggs for you, if requested. In comparison, the Turkish Airlines Business Lounge in Istanbul tops the list for food options. Sorry for a bit of digression….


I arrived at the Suvarnabhumi Airport around 12:30 pm. A few flights had landed about the same time, so there were several people in the arrivals area at the time. After a good walk, I was in the Fast track immigration line up. The line I was in was taking longer as a farang ahead of me was being asked several questions by the immigration officer. I changed lines and was served by another officer quickly. (The farang must have spent at least 15 mins with the officer overall). By the time I got to the luggage carousel, my bag was already there. I read in other posts that it had taken much longer to get the bags, so it seems some of those issues have now been addressed.
There was a lineup for taxis outside, so it took another 10 minutes before getting into the cab. The driver took the Expressway, but upon exit we had to deal with the daytime traffic in Bangkok. I was headed to the Raya, and told the driver to turn on Surawong, but he turned at Silom, so it took an additional 10 mins in that traffic (and slow traffic lights). Did he do that on purpose for the extra charge? I think so!
Check in was quick and I was in the suite on the 8th floor in no time. Agoda had a deal going on couple of months prior, so I got the suite at a very decent rate. This was the least I paid for a hotel room during this whole trip, where I stayed at a number of hotels in different cities.
I had invited a friend from Philippines to join me on day 5 of my trip. He was there for a week. While we had some of our meals together, we otherwise each did our own thing.
Over the course of 12 days, the weather was very warm, reaching up to 35 degrees on some days. Things cooled down to about 26 deg for 3-4 days after a heavy rainfall overnight and in the morning during the middle part of my trip. Although it became very humid for a day, it was then pleasant. After the short reprieve, the temperature soared back to 35 degrees.
What a change in the weather when heading home:  from temperatures that reached mid 30’s in Bangkok, to almost zero (with some snow and lots of rain) in my hometown.

Rather than describing what happened each day of my visit, I will provide comments on different parts of my stay in Bangkok.
Impressions & Observations of Bangkok on this trip
I walked around the Surawong and Silom areas everyday and here are my observations of what I noticed since my last visit. Overall, there were fewer tourists than before, particularly those from China. The Patpong Night market is open again, but there seemed to be fewer stalls and fewer people visiting them each night. There seemed to be more massage shops on Surawong. A number of marijuana shops have opened up all over, now that weed is legal in Thailand. Several food carts along Surawong were open and seemed to be doing fine. Shops and services on Thaniya Road seem to be catering to mostly Japanese tourists now; I don’t recall that being the case before. Things are still not quite back to normal after the pandemic. A few of the places were still shuttered shut and have not reopened. I initially thought that some of the restaurants I had previously gone to were permanently closed. But I was mistaken: 2 of the 3 were still open. An Indian restaurant on Surawong is no longer there. Of the other 2, one closes early at 9 pm (I went there after 9) and the other is a restaurant now also sells weed (I initially thought the whole place was converted to a weed shop). A new fast-food place has opened up on Silom, near Sala Deng BTS Station – Texas Chicken; you see them being promoted in some of the Thai BL series. A lot more MBs and “massage therapists” are now on Grindr. Others have mentioned this too. A good number of locals wore masks, even when outside. Most tourists did not. On BTS, most folks, including foreigners, wore masks. Tim Horton’s, which has thousands of coffee shops in Canada, has recently opened some shops in Bangkok. I went to one and was disappointed. They do not offer brewed coffee – a bread-and-butter item in Canada at Tim’s - nor a plain toasted bagel. They offer Americanos, lattes, and other beverages and bagels with cream cheese only. XOne had the best exchange rates as mentioned by @vinapu (I hang on to every word he writes, and then I can’t go wrong! ).  

Clubs

Hot Male: I visited Hot Male on the 1st night I was in Bangkok. Entrance was 400 Baht. I went soon after the show had started. On that day, the place was almost full, but not packed. Almost 40% of those in the audience that day were women. There were about 15 guys on the stage, wide range to suit most. They were all wearing sweatpants and most wearing T-shirts. Hardly anyone was smiling; they looked bored. For me, the show was OK.

I visited Hot Male again towards the end of my trip. This time, there were very few women, and the choice of boys was not as good as the previous visit. The good-looking ones may have been “offed” already.


 
Fresh Boys:  I visited the Club after seeing the show at Hot Male on Day 1. Entrance was also 400 Baht. There were about 20 guys on stage, all wearing sweats and most wearing Ts. There were fewer women here and the place was about half full. Here, there were more smiles on the faces of the boys, compared to Hot Male. There was even a greater variety of guys here, some past their prime as go-go boys. They had their “cock show” as part of their overall show. Again, show was OK. Dream Boys

I patronized Dream Boys 3 times during this trip. Cover charge was 500 Baht for the 2 times and 550 Baht on a Monday (not sure why the difference). Each time, the place was about half full. There were about 25 guys parading on stage each time, before and after the main show. They were all in briefs. Just before the start of the main show, 9 of the boys danced very well to upbeat music, and they all looked like they were enjoying themselves. Of the Clubs I visited this time, I saw the most smiles here. There was a good selection and variety in the boys. I would say this Club had the best entertainment out of the 4 Clubs I went to this time. Each time, there were slightly different routines.

The costumes, which one can write home about, were also different each time. When performing, the guys were in sync during their dance performance. They put on a very decent performance. While the shows here are raunchier than at Moonlight, it almost seemed like the choreographer from Moonlight had moved to Dream Boys. The shows at Moonlight were great during past visits.
Moonlight
For old times sake, I visited Moonlight to see their show and their “models”. Cover charge was 450 Baht. The boys at Moonlight are good looking. However, except for a few, there weren’t many smiles on their faces. I used to enjoy their shows, but I was quite disappointed this time around. As mentioned above, I found the show at Dream Boys much better. One of the top models at Moonlight (let’s call him B) seems to have lost his touch, in my view. To me, B was one of the best performers there in the past, but no more. He even looked different this time. On the other hand, I found the other model, lets call him N, looking better as he is no longer buffed up, but still in decent shape. I only went to Moonlight once as I didn’t enjoy my time there as much this time.
Based on some of the comments posted by other Members, I skipped Jupiter this time.
General comment: I found the temperature pleasant at all 4 clubs, not very cool, as in previous times. The sound was also bearable, not very loud as to burst your ear drums. On the aside, I went to the famous Foodland, after visiting a Club, and it was bone chilling cold that night in one section.

The Boys
I did not off any guys from the Clubs this time. All my meetings were arranged by intros on Grindr. 
My hook ups varied between slim to muscular to athletic guys. One is a soldier; he was really handsome! I met up with him towards the end of my trip. I would have definitely had some repeats with him, if I had met him earlier. Well, a reason to go back to Bangkok within next few months! Two of the other boys were from Vietnam.
They all spoke good English, so it was easy to communicate and chat with them.
For massage at a shop, I went to Senso and chose a tall handsome guy, who was smiling at me (took the advice of other members). Others have described the routine at Senso: shower alone first, massage, the fun part and then shower together. I would go back to this masseur the next time I’m in Bangkok. The other massage sessions were in my room.

Eating
I visited the restaurant in Foodland, that has been mentioned several times by other members. I went there for breakfast the first morning in BKK. Cost was very reasonable, as has been mentioned, but I found the portions too big for me, so food went to waste. Following days, I went to a coffee shop in the Silom Complex, in Chamchuri Square and other shops near by. I also went to the Crackhouse (what a name!) for delicious pancakes. It is located in the Commons on Sala Daeng Road.
Dinners were at a mix of restaurants – Thai, Indian, fast food (had to try the chicken at Texas Chicken!).
Al Saray restaurant on Silom near the Sala Daeng BTS Station was a new find for me. They serve Indian and Lebanese food. I had one of the best biryanis there.
I also visited G’s (mentioned by @vinapu in his posts). Went there twice on subsequent days. Went alone one day and had their chicken with cashews. On that day, it was delicious. My Filipino friend also wanted to go there, so we went there the next day. And the same dish was not that great. Quite dry, less tasty and I had an upset stomach after eating there. Not sure what really caused that.
It is always a treat eating Thai dishes in the different restaurants. All (except for one day) are pretty good and quite reasonably priced.

Update for January 2023 and thank you to the OP and all of the other posts:
The peri post COVID world is a very different place.
I had great luck on Grindr with regular guys as in the past. I think I only saw 1 pay for play boy and I was not interested.
In Athens the Kosmopolit Cinema is closed. There are folks hanging out in the alley away from Onomia Square and towards the police station half a block away. Usually only 1-4 at a time, and I assume mostly druggies. There is one nice looking guy from pre COVID days that does hang out in front of the Cosmopolit Hotel occasionally. He also hangs out with the druggies too, LOL. Sometimes the police hang out in this area and thus there is no trade to be had. The hotel can still be used by the hour. 30 E for the guy and 10 E for the hotel. Only saw a very other folks hanging around and possibly plying trade in this area and towards Omonia Square sort of at the side of the Hondos Center and alley / street. Another hotel by the hour is the youth hostel on a perpendicular street about 2 blocks away. 10 E for 1 hour. Only saw women hanging out for trade here. The park north of the archeological museum still has some action, but far less than in the old days. The park is moderately large and I only walked around the several block areas near the Athena statue and entrance Konstantinos on horseback statue. Not sure of the cost, as I was not interested in those offering pay for play. Several potential boys never got away from their cell phones to say hi. All of the guys seemed to be in their 20s - 40s. Be aware that lots of kids and families now hang out in the park. Very few did in the past, when druggies predominated.
Several times I did see some truly hot guys but going into the hotels with a client or likely on the way to meet a client. I do not speak greek or arabic and I think this is what those boys spoke. Never saw these boys again.
Never sought trade in the big park near Plaka that folks talk about. Never sought trade much after sunset in a park. Also, too cold to do this at midnight.
Samy's Bar is open, but I did not go there 1 am on a Friday / Saturday night. In the past, this general area had folks plying trade. Did not see anything obvious on this trip. Also did not see any places with "open" doors for folks to romp around in this trip.
I would guess the local politicians have invested major resources to clean the area up. 
I had good luck at a very clean adult porn theatre about a 10 minute walk west of Cosmo. Just average horny guys, no pay for play. About 7-10 E entry fee.
There is a grimier adult cinema perhaps 25 meters from the Economy Hotel, the one closet to the corner and perpendicular to the hotel, not the adjacent one a bit further away. Another porn places faces the Economy, but seemed permanently closed. Wow, had lots of fun here. One guy, likely in his 40s was about 10 E, others wanted more. Usually only 1-4 boys when I went and sometimes 1 or 2 were asleep sometimes on a couch or in the main theatre, LOL. Some spoke some English, others spoke no English, French, Spanish or German. Guys always asked for more when paying. Up to 30 E. There is an upper level and a lower level with lockable door rooms, but you need a cell phone for lighting, as there is none otherwise. One guy stole about 25 E from me and accosted me in the locked room as he wanted far more than agreed to. So be warned, some of this is rough trade. Despite screaming, no one will try to assist you. Did tell the guy who takes your 5 E entry so he could make sure the guy does not come in again. Also had the best sex in Athens trip with another boy to follow !! We had another romp a few days later in a hotel for an hour. Couple weeks later he calls me on what's app trying to get me to send him money, LOL. 
I mostly was looking from around 1400-1800 hrs in the park and Cosmo areas and as late as 2000 hrs at the cinema by Economy. All in all, despite a bit of danger, I had fun