SolaceSoul

It’s nice to pay. AND it pays to be nice.

I believe I was the one who said here that it happened to Manny. It also happened to Juan Bin Bin — which is why neither of these procurers send out photos to anyone — unless it’s directly to a highly trusted, regular client of theirs.

I already discussed giving intrusive or private information in Private Messaging with people whom you don’t already know or trust. BAD IDEA. I think this is what happened in the OP’s case. I have had unknown posters contact me through PM and ask me leading or invasive questions about particular workers. I don’t take the bait.

Sure, ask them if they want “referrals”, but also be very clear with them on how you intend to make those referrals. Don’t be vague. If you tell them, “I’m going to post information about you on an internet message board” and they fully comprehend that said board is publicly accessible, then it’s arguably fair game. But let’s be honest here. There have been quite a few posters and lurkers who have NOT done this. There are garotos who work at saunas who rely on relative anonymity, and this trust has been breached by some posters — whether well-intended or nefarious — who didn’t seem to care that these guys have families, local reputations or other jobs to protect. Of course, most readers here are not like that. But it only takes one bad apple. And for those who can only view things through the lens of self-interest, look at it this way: the less that working guys can trust clients not to “expose” their identities or other personal information, the fewer hot, rare-breed, hard-to-find guys that will work in the field. And that ultimately harms clients seeking the newest, best and brightest talent.

One-on-one, private referrals are fine. However, the overwhelming majority of providers that I have encountered are not interested in having identifying information about them posted on the internet. That means they do not want the information posted on message boards, and would consider that a breach of trust. The ones who advertise publicly on sites, do OnlyFans, or make commercial porn are the exceptions to this rule. And even some of those have boundaries — no personal information beyond what they disclose publicly, no face photos if they don’t publicize their face, etc. So, what’s wrong with simply respecting the boundaries of the providers? How about this? Practice The Golden Rule. Would clients like to be exposed, have their photos posted, or discussed in such fine detail that they could be identified, on the internet? If the thought of this gives you the creeps, imagine how it might make a provider (who wishes to maintain a level of discretion) feel.

Hmmm, A bodybuilder who is very sweet but not the brightest. You’re going to have to narrow that list down a little more. 😂

These garotos’ poor, clumsy grandmas always seen to be getting into motorcycle accidents, don’t they! 🤣

I have built my relationships of trust with locals over years of regular visits and stays in several different countries. I don’t jeopardize those relationships just for the sake of sharing specific information with people I do not know and trust. I have gotten many requests here (in public and in private), and if I feel they are too invasive or they feel like a fishing expedition, I just ignore them. I really don’t care to be the Most Popular On Message Boards. I’d rather remain liked, trusted and well-respected by the locals.

Yep. I learned that lesson YEARS ago on another board and carried it over to this one. It’s why I keep my information shared about individuals to a minimum. Some posters and clients are really shady characters, others are just a little off their rockers.

Lagoa wasn’t checking for either IDs (unless you looked close to 18 or under) or for vaccination cards when I was last there in December and January. It didn’t check for them last July and August, either.

For the more reasonable readers here: Juan Bin Bin also sends working guys to your hotel room or apartment at any additional fee. It does not just act as a house where you meet the guy there and have sex on their premises. Here is a clip of a WhatsApp conversation from just last October. The working guy was 3000 DOP. The procurer Juan Bin Bin charged 1000 DOP to send him to the apartment. The total was 4000 DOP. Facts are a stubborn thing.

It’s the República Park Hotel, and it’s adjacent the Selina Hotel, between Rua Aurora and República Park. Av. Vieira de Carvalho, 32 Eros is right around the corner on Rua Aurora. The other two cines are on the other side of the park on Av. Ipiranga. All within just a few minutes walking distance during daylight.

There are two cines on the same block of Av. Ipiranga: Cine Paris next to a Habib’s and a 24 Horas Cine next to the McDonald’s. Cine Paris, IMO, in recent times, is less active than the cine next to the MickeyDs. The most active cine for hustlers in República seems to be the old Aurora Lan House, now called Eros. It’s on Av. Aurora, close to the Selina Hotel and around the corner from the República Park Hotel, an hourly love motel (advisable to use this for your area street hookups instead of your AirBnB or hotel room). Eros closes at or around 10 pm. It’s not advisable to be walking in that area after dark, anyway. A daytime visit is all you need.

There have been a few Mr. Rio champions who have worked at the saunas. But if it was about that time period, it was probably Henrique — who can still be found sometimes at Lagoa in São Paulo or Thermas in Barcelona. Hell almost never do the Rio scene anymore.

Yes, good advice. My policy on various Facebook groups is to block trolls who are there just to insight and to inflame. So, the Half-Baked troll poster is now going on “block” / ignore.

You are all over the place with your claims. Maybe you think if you keep throwing anything against the wall, something surely has got to stick. Now, you’re going on about drug addicts! One is far more likely to run into a junkie hustler bugarron randomly cruising El Conde where Paco’s is located and the various streets surrounding it — as well as the flaccidity problem that comes with it that you seem to focus on so much. At first, it seemed you had only a personal issue with Manny. But now, you malign any and all procurers, and say they provide an unnecessary service and that their fee always comes out of what is paid to the service provider. That’s not how it works at Narciso’s house. That’s not how it works at Juan Bin Bin. Some other procurers I and others that I am close to have used over the years would bake their fee into the amount you pay the sex worker — still resulting in a higher fee paid by the client. Others might collect all the money themselves upfront and then they pay the sex worker because they don’t trust them with all of the money. It definitely depends. There isn’t a “one size fits all”. So, I find your claims that “these are the rules and everybody down there knows this” to be a bit odd. But your experiences are yours, and I won’t question that you see the world / the island as you see it.

This is exactly why I avoid publicizing what I pay to ANY service provider in the sex industry. Because pricing can vary widely depending on who the customer is / the nature of their relationship / what they look like / what they are asking for. And too many clients and posters take it too personally or think all things in life need to be equal.

Probably because in recent years, the DR has been invaded by many more Americans because a flight there is as almost as cheap as flight to Miami, and it’s a quick weekend trip. Unfortunately, this has also attracted some of the scummiest, low-end travelers. It’s become quite embarrassing seeing the displays some of the worst Americans put on in Zona Colonial.

To be more specific about your original question, I think Manny might charge a one-time client more than he would charge a regular customer who provided steady income. Which for any business person, should be understandable. As I mentioned (maybe in another thread), all customers aren’t equal, and all haven’t gained the same level of reliability or trust. This is why both he, Juan Bin Bin and even the old school Freddy no longer send out photos unless it’s to a regular, well-trusted client. There have been reported cases of assholes calling him up claiming they were coming to Santo Domingo or in Santo Domingo already and asking for photos of the working guys — even going as far as to give a fake address in SD for the guy to show up — only for the “client” to be a Gringo in the USA, Canada or Europe who was a pic collector.

Maybe this is what the Easter Bunny now does post-holiday.

You completely missed the point — which I’ll spell out for you. The types of men that Riobard is into aren’t readily available in the DR. They rarely show up at the Conde / Paco’s / Binbin / Narciso’s house. The DR has lots of slim, regular, next door type guys with big, uncut dicks, but not a whole lot of very muscular, physique model type guys. Manny is one who does have access to what you normally don’t see hanging out at the Conde. A casual visitor who doesn’t come to the island as often as you or me doesn’t have the time and the relationships to scour the country for these guys. This is where a procurer’s value comes in. As someone who already knows the ins and outs of the DR, this kind of service no longer has much value to you. But for those who — for whatever reason: safety concerns, age, unfamiliarity, language barriers, social awkwardness — it does, services from procurers (Manny is not the only one) are advisable. You’re obviously not in that category — and that’s okay. But what’s NOT okay is you defaming a guy who provides a valuable service to many and calling him a “scammer” just because you don’t like how he meets and acquires some of his roster. Maybe it’s just your limited vocabulary and poor choice of words. Most folks just want to eat the sausage. They’re not really all that concerned with how sausages are made, and would get really grossed out by the process. . No one is “making” you do anything. But posting identifying information about working guys on the internet without their permission is the hallmark of someone with very compromised ethics.

I’ll try to translate Riobardese. In plain English, what he was saying is that he only likes a certain kind of guy that isn’t really available much in the regular Dominican spaces for hustlers (Conde, Pacos, BinBin, etc). He likes muscular men, bodybuilders, fitness models, buff gogo boys, semipro athletes, etc. He is willing to pay a premium for these kinds and he told Manny this. He is saying that Manny brought him a guy or two like this — after a few false starts and some clarification on exactly what he liked.

Wow, you got me, Sherlock. That extra 1000 pesos / $17 USD per referral from this board to Manny finances my globetrotting. Your powers of perception are remarkably uncanny.

This has not been a problem for me or any of my friends who regularly travel there. Most of Manny’s business are regular, repeat customers — heterosexual and gay. If you have been going there for 10 years, surely you would know this,

No, you can’t just show up. It’s Narciso’s home — so try to have some respect. He doesn't use WhatsApp or any online services. He has to make preparations (usually at least the day before), and invite local guys over. He lives outside of the town of Haina, and a lot of the guys require transportation to get to his place. Some even require someone like Manny to pick them up and take them there. Narciso is an elderly retired man who’s living his best life. You have a better shot booking a trip through someone who knows him and knows how to get there, and only if you’re going in a group (2 or more clients).