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I, too, am one of the damned, I mean banned. I think I was a decent contributor while I was there but Daddy and I shared different tastes. If you don't agree with Daddy, then you must be banished! There is no room for different opinions or tastes, I guess...

Wow! I've never paid 3000 pesos for any guy in CDMX. Had some offers around 2500 pesos but even then I declined and then they would go lower. 1000-1500 is not too bad for foreigners but I will go up to 2000 if I'm getting everything I want out of the experience, like multiple extras. On my last trip, I was shopping around between a couple of guys, both the same price IIRC or very close (1200 or so?). I set up an appt with one and declined the other. He went quite a bit lower, around 750-ish. Had it not been my last day, I would have made arrangements to meet the next day. I stuck with the first guy though and was very glad I did. It was an explosively good time, possibly in my top 10 even! I will definitely be seeing him next time I visit, which might even be this month. Anyway, my point is 2000 pesos should be on the high side, but try to negotiate to something closer to 1000-1500. And you don't even have to negotiate per se. Just decline and let them make you an offer.

I haven't been to Osaka in awhile but I always had a great time at Hokuoukan (click the name for a link to their site).

I've met Gago several times before. He's hit-or-miss at best. Rarely on time. He's pulled the "I want to bring my friend" routine on me too every time except for the first time we met. I wouldn't have done it the first time not knowing him at all for obvious safety reasons. I said no at first when he brought it up the second time we met, but then I thought about it. I felt like I trusted him enough. It was ok but not great. Met him a third time and he brought a different guy, who was amazing! The next time we met I asked him to bring the amazing guy again but I guess they don't talk anymore. He brought the other friend I had met. Gago could tell I wasn't thrilled and promised he'd be better this time. but unfortunately it was even worse. They were over an hour late, could hardly perform and the friend was out of shape despite Gago's assurance that his friend was better looking (like now he supposedly had a 6 pack). He tells you what you want to hear, even more so than other escorts. And he ALWAYS begs for more money. So annoying. He just isn't the trouble in my opinion.

Yes, it's a 25% increase, but the amount isn't a very big difference in the grand scheme of things. THB1500 is about USD$50 and THB2000 is about USD$65. In this situation, I might negotiate to 1500 but still give the "extra" 500 as a tip. The same service in the States would be THB6000 (USD$200) minimum. Just my opinion.

I have learned to be very clear from the beginning of my wants/desires. I even have a page in the "notes" section on my iPhone with some basic translations for things like kiss/fuck/top/bottom etc along with a pic for each. (Make sure to use words that translate well like active/passive vs top/bottom when using a translating app and try to pick up on local slang, like rimming in Spanish is "besar negro," which translates to "black kiss" in English.) Anyway, be clear from the beginning and reduce payment accordingly if they don't perform as expected. I have had very few disappointments in Bangkok, maybe just two or three guys and I've visited about a dozen times in the last 15 years or so?

Wow! Thanks for the update on Twilight. I haven't been on this forum for a while (longer than I thought now that I see some of these messages!). I was in Bangkok last fall and had a great time, as usual. I want to go back soon but it looks like it will be at least late January or February before I can return. Twilight was so convenient but it's good to hear that there are still options around, even if they are a little more spread out.

Hey guys I'm heading to Shanghai in a few days and I'll probably try a massage while I'm there. Any suggestions on a decent massage spa - fairly clean, not too difficult to find and has attractive staff? I've already looked on various gay travel sites and I have an idea of a couple of spots to try. Just curious if anyone here has experience they want to share. Hoping for something on the more sensual/erotic side. Anyway, my main question is about tips. Is it customary to tip for a massage in China, and if so, how much? I don't want to be cheap nor do I want to over tip. Thanks in advance.

Yes, that's it. Thanks. Soi Twilight - one stop shopping.

I tend to go to the soi across from the Patpong night market. (Sorry, but I forgot the name.) It has a bit of everything in one spot - bars, gogo boys, massage parlors. There are several bars, massage parlors, gogo bars, etc nearby but they are more spread out around the Silom area (and further afield of course). The nice thing about that soi is if you don't like one place, the next place is only a few steps away. lol Are you looking for an actual bar to sit around and drink or one with entertainment?

I wasn't dissing the butt in the picture; just commenting in general about nice, juicy asses being so tempting. Yes, the butt in the pic is very nice indeed. I could certainly go to town on that tasty hole!

I LOVE eating ass. It must be clean, of course, but I will go to town on a nice juicy ass.

The 2-3 women I might see at the gogo bars will not stop me from going and I'm not about to have hissy fit with the mama-sans about them letting women in. We're just expressing that we don't like it and find it annoying. No big deal. As I think I mentioned before, I won't be returning to Jupiter due to the combination of the higher ratio of woman there and the higher ratio of straight boys working. Will they miss me? Absolutely not. Will I miss them? Nope. There are plenty of options out there.

Agreed on the dishonest taxi drivers. In addition to the airport ride, I also took a taxi for the gayromeo hookup I mentioned above. The driver tried to pull a switch on me when I paid. Whatever the fare was, I don't recall but let's say it was 30 lira. I paid the fare exactly, but the driver called out to me just as I was turning to leave and flashed 20 lira at me saying I still owed another 10. Luckily, I was aware of this scam so I said that I gave him the 30 lira and left.

Nice! I went to Istanbul about two years ago, but I think you had more luck than I did. I couldn't bring any guys back to my hotel so my options were limited. I met one guy via gayromeo and hooked up with him at his apt. I did go to the same spa, Aquarius, and was able to arrange a decent massage with a full service ending. It was a little strange to be in such an openly gay environment in such a Muslim/"anti-gay" country. Turkey is a little more liberal than their other Muslim neighbors, but homosexuality is still taboo there. Unfortunately, the staff tried to shake me down for more money when I was getting dressed in the little changing room/cabin. We had agreed on a price ahead of time, but he tried to get more out of me before I left. I refused and left. Luckily, no one tried to stop me! I did have one additional experience - a guy tried to proposition me while waiting for a tram one night. It felt weird though and I knew it was either going to be for money (which would have been ok) or possibly to be drugged. Not sure, but I had heard something about guys being drugged and robbed in situations like this so I politely declined. Oh, and one other thing - my taxi driver tried to boost the fare by taking a circuitous route to the airport. I want to say that the expected fare was around 50 lira(?) and it was going to end up being like 90-100 lira. Fortunately, I had my map open on my phone and questioned why we went up and around instead of straight over. He got nervous, charged the expected fare and asked me not to report him to the police.

I, too, have visited the boy bars many times in the last 15-18 years. I've been to Bangkok pretty much every year in the last ten. While my business certainly doesn't sustain them, I am a repeat customer, which has a definite value. And when I say repeat customer, I hire pretty much every night I'm there from one bar or another. If I don't hire, it's because I can't find someone my type or they're not into what I'm looking for. As for many of the guys being straight, I think it depends on the bar. Jupiter seems to have the highest concentration of straight guys, but I will admit that's based on a limited number of visits. The gogo bars like Dreamboys, Fresh Boys, Hot Male, etc. have more gay guys (but certainly a lot of straight too). And of course, our perceptions may depend on what we're looking for. If you're looking for tops, you may notice the straight guys more. I am into bottoms so I prefer to hire guys who are more likely to be gay (or bi). I have hired a few straight guys who were "less than thrilled," so to speak, to bottom for me, and with varying levels of success, I might add. That's one reason I tend to zone in on the "gayer" guys. I am one of those people who prefers not to have women in the gogo bars. I do understand the business reasons behind allowing them in, of course, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. My reasoning is I'm trying to partake in the seedier side of (gay) life. While I'm not concerned with strangers judging me, especially females, I find it annoying when straight females shoehorn their way into what I feel is "my turf," if that makes any sense. I'm there to enjoy some quality time with naked or almost naked guys. IMHO, it is less enjoyable with women (even just one or two) sitting 5 feet away. Again, I under$tand why, but I'm not a fan...

I tend to choose my health care professionals at least in part based on how attractive they are. I do have some other requirements (not too old out of fear they aren't up on current health care practices, but also not fresh out of school with no practical experience; for example). I had to choose a new PCP about 7-8 years ago and found a doctor met all of my criteria, including being reasonably attractive (the site I use, Zocdoc, includes pics). It turned out that he sounds like Elmer Fudd. (I'm not exaggerating either...) Well, ideally I only had to see him once a year so I stayed with him as my PCP for about 3 years until he moved. The one I picked after him has no personality. I just chose a new PCP. The selection was pretty sparse when factoring in level of attractiveness and that ranking ended up falling lower on my scale of important factors this time around. lol His ratings seem consistently high so hopefully he'll turn out to be pretty good. Now, my dentist was recommended to me by a friend solely because he's gay. He's not really my type but he's fairly attractive and very skilled. He's been my dentist for about 8 years or so. However, he recently hired a new hygienist. Holy sh!t - he is freaking hot! He can poke around in my mouth as long as he wants! When I made the appointment for my next cleaning, I guess it happened to be on this guy's day of the week rather than the other hygienist's (50+ yo woman) I'm used to. The receptionist asked if I minded the new guy again. I was melting inside but tried to remain calm and replied "Oh, that's fine. I don't care." Not that anything is going to happen between me and any of these healthcare professionals, but it sure makes me look forward to my next visit.

Yes, many Asians are on the normal to small end of the spectrum, but there are many big dicked Asians out there. I've had good luck in Thailand and occasionally in China, too. And I may have to try the Philippines now too. haha

Yeah, oddly enough, I think a lot of the guys who work at both places (KOC and TK) are more or less straight. They probably get a lot of Japanese customers who are into body worship or just sucking the escort off. In their culture, there's a lot of host bars where the customers just like the attention of a cute guy (or beautiful woman for the straight guys) paying attention to them. In places like KOC or TK, there's more nudity and touching involved. I tried to find a bottom in advance but it's kind of pointless. The reason is because there are sooo many guys listed on their websites but that doesn't mean they are working when you want to meet. I went to TK and asked who was available and could bottom for me. The host showed me a book with a bunch of inserts for each guy. He pulled the inserts up out of their sleeve by an inch or two for the guys available at that moment. IIRC, out of the 75+ pages, there were still 8-10 guys who were available and could bottom. I believe 3P means threesome (3 People). Most Japanese guys are uncut, in my experience. Big dicks are rare in Japan... They are out there but average/smaller are more common. As a top, that never bothered me much. BTW, the local terms for top/active and bottom/passive are sword (top) and cat (bottom). In Japanese, that's tachi (top) and neko (bottom). Here's a link I found when I tried to confirm the spelling. http://lgbt.wikia.com/wiki/Japanese_gay_slang It has some other useful slang words too.

Hi 12is12 I've never experienced moneyboys at 24. I've had a few MBs offer their services in other cities around the world, but never in any sauna in Japan. Most people who go to 24 use the public area. It's cheaper (about USD$25) and there are plenty of semi-private spots, usually the bottom bunks because they are almost pitch black, and the shower room has some private stalls, some with glory holes and some completely private. While I've never paid for the private rooms in any of the 24's around Tokyo (there are 3 - Shinjuku, Ueno and Asakusa IIRC), I have hooked up with a few guys who cruised the public area and brought me back to their private room. You can get a few people here or there who will paw at you while you're fooling around with someone in the public area, but it's usually not a big problem. I never felt the need to splurge for a private room. I'm looking forward to hearing about your trip. Please let me know how you like it.

The best sauna for foreigners is probably "24". There are several locations, but the best is the Shinjuku location. Ueno is pretty good too. I've had lot's of fun at both. The one in Shinjuku is just soooo conveniently located. in the heart of the gayest area in Tokyo! haha I've never used King of College but I used Tokyo Kids once. The guy who was working the entrance spoke English and he was available, but I ended up choosing another guy. I went in prepared and had a few of my wants/likes translated so my expectations for the encounter were relatively clear. Being able to communicate is nice but I wasn't there for conversation either! I recommend KOC or Tokyo Kids if you're short on time or if you are after something specific and you don't want to waste time. Otherwise, going to 24 (or another sauna) or using an app like Grindr will be more rewarding. You might have to do some "hunting" but you will have a lot of fun. 24 has a lot of variety (Japanese bears as well as twinks, younger and older guys, along with many foreigners), plus you have the shower and steam rooms, group rooms and private rooms (those cost more though). The group rooms have open spaces, which can be fun and even lead to orgies, but there are "bunk bed" style play areas in the group rooms that offer a little more privacy - not so much on the top but the bottom bunks are very dark. I can't comment on Kyoto. I only did a day trip there from Osaka to enjoy the sights.

No worries. I understand what you mean. I did have a guy in Bangkok who was clearly straight and wanted to watch str8 porn to get off. While it was a bit disappointing, I knew prior to hiring; sex wasn't the primary motivation behind the hire (that's a story for another day lol). And the prices are rising too. It's frustrating when the going rate for an erotic massage is around the price I used to pay (and still can pay in many cases) for the "full experience". And I'm not talking about the high end spas either. The little spas with no amenities, a ratty towel and a trickling shower have guys who want 1500-2000 Thai Baht for a bad massage and a handjob. It's definitely "buyer beware" out there. I've had several guys promise they can do "everything I want, no problem" (and I'm clear in advance, too) but when we start the action, things change. It's only happened a couple of times but it's still annoying. For the most part, I've had great experiences though. I've learned a lot in my travels and I tend to be very clear in my expectations. I even have a document on my phone that has pics and descriptions in English (for me!) and several other languages (French, Spanish, Japanese and Thai at this point) to show the guy what I'm into.

I went to Jupiter about 15 years ago with my bf at the time who was a very shy closeted guy at the time. He was so shocked to see a guy play a slide whistle with his ass. lol I hadn't returned to Jupiter in years but just went on my last trip. The guys were very cute and in shape - 6 pack abs and everything. However, as others have stated here, there were women in the club too, which is a turn off for me too. I guess with their location a bit hidden, they need all of the customers they can get. I think a lot of the guys there are straight too, so they seemed to cater more to the women. I'm not that interested in going back.

I've gone to Bangkok probably a dozen times in the last 15 years or so, including 2-3 times with my boyfriend (at the time). Of course, the solo trips were more fun in terms of experiencing the local boys. haha I can't say that I've noticed much of a difference in that time though. I usually have hired from the gogo bars but I've had good experiences in massage parlors and online (both free and paid). Had a great threesome with two boys from one of the gogo bars - mindblowing experience! And another great experience on the last day of my last trip - a very hot session with a Japanese guy there for business (Grindr hookup). It was the fantasy-cum-true experience of "my hotel door is open and I'm on my bed with my ass up for you"