Mick

those alleged shooters are surprisingly clumsy if one asks me

They should offer private dances too.🤪

To be clear..... you're sure this was with another person and you weren't sitting in front of a mirror??

don't worry, I doubt American president himself  does either

@Tomontheroad Consider Prestige --  another place where you're likely to get a good massage plus some non-penetrative fun. I say "likely" because my understanding is that Prestige does not have an in-house trainer (at least not on a regular basis) and the boys I've met had received their training elsewhere before joining Prestige, so it can happen that a few of them are not as good as one would expect. 
The places on Silom Soi 6 (see exceptions further down) are also good bets; I have generally been satisfied with the standard of massage, and as far as I can recall, all my visits to the these places had extras added on. However, it always involves in-room negotiation re the rates. Some members here dislike having to negotiate.
However, there are two exceptions with Silom Soi 6. One is Prime - no chance of extras. The other is 9-teen. In my one and only visit, extras were offered but I declined. The massage was not great either.

few impressions from sunset cruise

for me is a definite highlight of every visit there. Different than temple hopping, lots of w exercise and very quiet compared to temples  . It looks that a lot of people are not aware about the option. I learned about that from Lonely Planet guide. 
One can do it also on bicycle as 90% of walls are well preserved. In fact I met there  2 groups of European cyclists last time as well as German couple doin the same in reverse direction.
I never saw any snakes there but at least twice I was warned by locals " watch for snakes "  so they may be there. Good news is , track is wide and sandy , just like shown on the first picture above so any creature will be noticed from far and wide. Another good news is that it can be broken at any of 5 gates if one feels tired , thirsty or bored . at southern and western gates there are stands where you can buy something to drink, they even had Hanuman Black beer, my favorite in Cambodia.
Let arrange next trip at the same time and we can walk together.

In Namche Bazar , Nepal , I stay in the same hotel Jimmy Carter did, post-presidency. Yes THAT Jimmy Carter. It was 10$ hotel, another proof President Carter was modest man , not like one who is sitting in the White House now

Siem Reap – ruin seekers and boy hunters friendly city
 I wanted to visit both Siem Reap and Phnom Penh on this trip in any order but since there was direct flight to Siem Reap on my planned day I went there first. I mentioned it may times that Angkor ruins is my ultimate travel destination and in my heart Siem Reap is one of world’s greatest cities , not provincial backwater which in fact it really is.
 On second thought I may take it back though since city supports no  less than 4 gay bars . Anyways after one hour I landed in the new airport which turned super efficient. It took exactly 23 minutes from moment  I stepped out of plane to moment airport bus started rolling. Enough time to  clear immigration and buy SIM card. Few day later out former poster Z909 achieved the same in 21 minutes. Sim card 5 $ for 7 days, airport bus 8$. It took about 50 minutes to get to the city and that trip was graced by beautiful sunset.
 In the bus terminal I got tuk-tuk or remork to my hotel for 1$ and driver sensibly suggested we exchange WhatsApp in case I need his services in the coming days. My hotel, Chaetata was short walk  to Pub street,  but location was quiet. By time I settled it was evening already so I took tour of the center with intention to check at least 2 of the said 4 bars. BBall is in quiet  street close to old Market, there were few boys  sitting outside and one of them turned to be one I’m watching on Grindr for  a while so obviously I parked myself beside even if he was drinking with some local girl.
 Sensibly , he suggested  we exchange WhatsApp as well just  in case. I was discreet enough not to mention anything that I know him from Grindr but sensible enough to mention I’m not averse to get closer to boys I like. During my 1.5 hrs in bar there were 3 or 4 other customers     stopping for a drink.
Next stop was GOD (Guys On Display ) in small alley north of Pub Street. I was hoping to see there another guy I’m watching  on Grindr , lets call him XC for this narrative . From his profile I knew he frequents both of those bars,  but he was not there. Few customers inside and they actually had a show , ladyboys lip synching  but songs were excellently selected ,  for which I rewarded DJ with 10000 (2.5$).  Two gin and tonic later I  noticed it’s midnight so decided to call it a night but little I know. Walking to hotel I checked  my messages and there was one from BBall guy asking if I have any stamp collection he can see.
Being bit under influence  I confirmed, gave him name of my hotel and by time I got there  I noticed remork stopping at the door and it was him already . Benefits of being in small city I guess. Session was quite pleasant  but he was also bit under influence  and made impression he is in rush , not sensing that’s something I don’t rally like. So when he asked about repeat tomorrow I was very vague in my response.
 In the morning I messaged my remork driver if he can be at 8 a. at my hotel, response was positive and immediate. My goal today was to crown my Angkor exploration over years with last temple of size I never visited – Phnom Bok. She is atop of quite steep hill , some distance from main complex , well past Banteai Samre temple , one of my most favorite, chiefly because is never crowded.
 First we went to buy a ticket. I opted for 3 day ticket , now it can be used in any three days in consecutive 7, improvement over previous 3 days in row. It cost 37 $ for 1 day , 62 for three days and 78$ for seven days within month.
 It was quite long a steep climb to the temple with little shade but, aided with two cans of beer I bought in the parking lot ,  I made it , rewarded with having 1000 years old  structure all to myself.
Only when coming down other tourists showed up , both half of my age , so when that asked how hard walk up is , I answered ’ If I could make it,  so will you”
 Since Banteai Samre was on our way I explored that temple as well. From there quite long drive to all there temples in Rolous group. Getting to Bakheng temple I was bit frozen as it looked very crowded but luck was on my side. There were three buses parked and their content was already  coming back so I got that bit temple to myself or at least I thought so until in some nook I noticed two 20-something guys who obviously were exploring that solitude  by getting quite close to each other but still within limit of decency i.e. clothed.
 “Don’t worry” said I and “danke shoen” was the answer so my guess is they weren’t Greeks    or Spaniards.
 In the evening I wanted to check other two bars I did not visit yesterday. “Rendezvous” was first. Few twinky hosts inside , two occupied with customers, others weren’t my type and obviously neither I was their as I was largely ignored other than taking my beer order.
 Next one was Barcode, quite packed with very mixed  crowd . I got my gin and tonic, watched a bit of show and noticed that one of their waiters is giving me quite long looks. Stupidly I did not explore that option but decided to check GOD gain, hoping XC will be there.
 He was, bit changed since I saw him just post-covid but change was for good i.e. l face become more manly.  He did not remember me , not surprising given it was 4 years ago.  I bought him drink, then another for old times sake but it become clear nothing materialize today or perhaps ever. He mentioned he wants to go to some club but there was no offer “ you want go too?” and I got a hint. Bar was very crowded and among patrons I noticed familiar faces. Two French guys who used to run short lived coffee shop by Tawan bar in soi 6.
I went to re-introduce myself. They did not recall me by my look but when I told them I’m vinapu they smiled broadly. And explained why –  I posted something they liked so much that tat quoted me that post from memory.   So XC can feel vindicated , he forgot me , I forgot my own post.
It was  great time at GOD, even if I  went home empty handed. Which kind of worked for me as I had good night sleep.
More from Siem Reap to come     

I think you are being a bit obtuse Peter. 
It was widely reported in the media that Bhumjaithai and Pheu Thai did well in Isaan and the Peoples Party did well in Bangkok. This is “common knowledge” at this stage and to demand that somebody show chapter and verse on it in a message board conversation is a bit ridiculous. 
It is also “common knowledge” that Bangkok is much wealthier than Isaan. So one can make fair assumptions about the income level of the typical supporter also. 

Reminder why Jupiter used to get away with much higher pricing …

Well the good news is those Sunee Plaza boys would be of legal age now. 😏

On a different thread someone posed the question: what are the different understandings of the word 'twink' among us. I very much want to add my thoughts to that question, but first, I have to gather my thoughts. 
As for Good Boy,
I don't call the rotation boys in Good Boy twinks. If I have to find a word, I'd use the anodyne 'medium build'. But I see a huge difference between the medium-builds of Good, Fresh and Hotmale.
There is what I call the "effortless medium" -- the kind of physique that the deity above makes quite naturally out of young men. Some people call it the 'boy next door' type. They are beautiful in my eyes. I see many in Fresh and Hotmale of this type. I see none in Good.
Then there is the "scruffy medium" -- where what the deity has made has been modified by hard labour. They are taut, sinewy, maybe a bit weather-beaten. Some might think of the terms 'tradie type', or 'farmhand type'. They predominate in Good. Made worse by unkempt hair and gross tattoos, thus "scruffy", often bringing to mind street hawkers.
The third type is the opposite of Scruffy. I call them the "washed mediums". Yeah I prefer my boys clean and washed. What the deity has made is modified again by a bit of gymming into slightly sculpted bodies -- but not all the way a la Moonlight models, which is likely aided with chemical enhancement. Often, washed mediums come with good skin and nice haircuts. I see some of them at Fresh, and many more of them at Hotmale.

they are very easy to avoid, just stay away  from any massage places

Normally when I see a post that opens this way, effectively saying "I don't want to do the work, so I ask you to do the work instead, giving me the answers" -- I won't bother to reply. You would also have noticed that other members are also relatively quiet. However, I see that you have contributed trip reports before (from Japan) and I will give you some credit.
But I can't yet answer your question(s) because there are too many pieces of vague-ish information in your post. So, if you will clarify these, you may get more specific responses. But a word of advice: please do not bring Japan into the discussion -- it is such a different place with a totally different business culture, it can only confuse the conversation (and your own expectations).
What do you mean by the term "regular club"? And what do you mean by "more than that"? In another paragraph, you used the word "bar". Do you mean the same thing? In your speech, are bars and clubs interchangeable terms for the same type of establishment?
 
Was that person really a female or do you mean an MTF transgender? If you can remember, just name the place. We don't know if you're referring to one of the places that members of this forum are familiar with or whether you're at some other place we know little about. We can give you advice about how to protect yourself in place we're familiar with, but if it's a place that also foreign to us, then of course our words are meaningless. That other place may well have business practices that are "normal" for them. Best to be specific about the "club" we're referring to, otherwise we may be going around in circles in the discussion.
If you managed to have fun in your previous visit to Thailand without ever getting a massage, why are your questions geared to "how to avoid a massage"?
You seem to be asking: How do I get paid sex in Thailand with the type of boy I like -- and I think your preference is for very slim, as-young-looking-as-possible lads -- in my hotel room without any massage activity? Must this be in Bangkok, or are you prepared to spend more time in Pattaya? At 33, you're young enough to score at the saunas -- why do you want to pay?

welcome to the forum and welcome back in Bangkok
stay in Silom area as it has all you need, both bars and massage venues in close proximity. Lots of cute guys on display in front of massage shops along Silom , Suriwong and soi 6 connecting those two. Tips for massage boys 1200-2000 depending on venue and a boy plus massage fee , if you offing from bar count 2000-3000 for short time  plus drink for you and possibly for  a boy.
In bar under no circumstances admit it's your first time and don't yield to a pressure from mamasan (captain ) to buy him a drink or tip unless they were of any help for you. They are very skilled in such extraction, I'm of religion that only boys deserve tip for presenting themselves half naked but  waiting staff should be content with 20 baht  for bringing you a drink if that much. 
One thing is sure- you will have fun

Monster is one of the sub-busnesses of Material Group (www.mate-real.com). Check out the other businesses, each of which is highly specialised.
Monster is for those who go gaga over big appendages, never mind what body or face they are attached too.
Non-Binary offers fem boy escorts exactly as the name implies.
GMPD offers heavy bodies - not in any muscular way.
Freestyle offers escorts who are prepared to travel to meet clients (at least that's how I am interpreting the information on the page).
Men's Healing Place is for massage with only "close contact" or "hand massage", i.e. no hard sex.
Boyish: I found this one a bit confusing. At first I thought it meant a slate of barely legal boys, but it seems to have mostly girls with short hair, plus a fair number of FTMs. (Wasn't there a discussion recently where a member said his 2026 resolution was to conquer FTMs, his last frontier? Bro -- hot foot it to Japan!)
The real disappointment is the sub-business Dumbbell, supposedly specialising in muscular and athletic men, but scrolling through the pictures, they are mostly lean athletic, very few body builder types.
Trust the Japanese to create such specific specialisations for different market niches. However, the same boy can be offered through different stores. For example, Daisuke belongs to Monster but is also advertised by Dumbbell.
It's self-description at the bottom of the main page is refreshingly blunt: "The Materials Group One of the largest in Tokyo It is a group of prostitution stores." How many similar businesses in any other country would call itself a "prostitution store"!

 

Greetings from the Land of Smiles!  I am now in Bangkok after spending five days in San Francisco visiting old friends and colleagues.  I do not plan to report as detailed as I did back in October/November, but will share some tidbits along the way.  Since I will be here for seven weeks, a detailed ‘blow by blow’ (pardon the pun) feels like it will be boring and tiresome to read.
Although it was cold and wet in SF, I did enjoy getting to spend time with my friends, eating at some of my favorite restaurants, and even managed to take in a play.  I was shocked by the overall condition of San Francisco these days.  So many businesses have closed.  Entire blocks filled with empty store fronts.  Even the entire Westfield mall in downtown was completely shuttered.  Market Street was more like a ghost town than a bustling hub of excitement and energy.  To be honest, it was quite depressing to see.
Flight on Singapore Airlines was great, although we did experience a fair amount of turbulence the first couple of hours due to that severe weather system hitting California.  The cabin was very comfortable and service exceptional.  I believe I said this on my previous trip as well, but the customer service of Asian carriers is superior to anything you find on US carriers…even in first class.  The long 17+ hour flight went far quicker than I thought, and we actually arrived in Singapore about 30 minutes early.  My connecting gate for Bangkok was in the same terminal and an easy 7 or 8 minute walk.  Could have easily made the short connection, but after being confined for 17 hours it was good to move around and explore the airport.  So much to see and experience.  Flight to Bangkok was a short 90 minutes, although what seems to be more the norm at Suvarnabhumi these days, air traffic control had us circling for a good 15 minutes before the actual landing.  Immigration was packed and seemed to be short on staff.  I opted for the seniors priority lane which only took around 20 minutes.  No problems, and got my stamp for 60 days.  Had to wait less than ten minutes for my luggage to appear, then off to the limo service, S & P, recommended by a forum member.  I used them in October and it was a great experience, so opted to use them again.  Aside from the usual Bangkok traffic, I arrived at the condo and was ready to get settled in.  For the short stay in SF I was living out of my luggage, which I hate.  In the condo I was actually able to unpack, put things away, and get myself organized.  Since my flight arrived at 11am, I was determined to stay awake all day so I would sleep well that first night and my body clock would adjust quicker.  I discovered that trick back in October and it worked well.
You all might remember that I made quite the connection with a therapist from Paradise in October.  We have stayed in touch since then on a somewhat regular basis.  He will usually text once a week.  Most of the time he has initiated the ongoing conversation.  Not once has he asked for anything.  So, it will come as no surprise to  any of you that my first visit on Friday was to Paradise.  He knew my itinerary and was expecting me.  I didn’t really go to the shop for a massage.  The plan was to meet him there, then we went to dinner, followed by a visit to the condo for some male bonding and reconnecting time.  lol.  Was a glorious evening for sure.  Just as good as I remembered…if not better.  He wanted to meet again on Saturday, but my friends who have the condo I am using made plans for us to do some fun stuff around Bangkok for the day.  I didn’t get back to the condo until late and was too tired to venture back out for any entertainment.  I will meet up with him sometime later today or this evening.  May see what other mischief I can cook up this afternoon before meeting him.  Thinking about checking out the new Prestige Sukhumvit location.

What a stupid tittle for trip report – if somebody says that , I won’t blame him . I’d do the same. Still I stick to it. Reason is simple – during my month -long trip which took me to 4 countries of SE Asia I stay in 11 hotels and in 9 of those I was given room on , you guessed it correctly, third floor.
 Arrived at Swampy past midnight. Quite crowded , I was 11th in priority line. By time I cleared immigration and bought SIM card, my luggage popped out so I could go straight to taxi. Driver suggested 500 to Silom, I agreed but said ‘you pay the tolls”, he nodded approvingly. Considering that meter would be 300 plus 50 airport fee plus 75 tolls, that 500 was not that extortionate . In passing I noticed that exchange booths are giving less then 30 baht for a dollar , never seen dollar that low.
 In taxi I contacted D. He is boy I was watching on Grindr and in June spotted him in Dreamboys. Offed him , we hit it one so in Aug he was my companion for most nights. As enthusiastic on 10th meeting as he was on 1st to a degree that I considered D monodiet on Thai part of this trip  but as we learn soon life intervened providing some variety. Few minutes after I entered  my Raya room, one of two this trip NOT on 3rd floor, phone buzzed – D arrived for reunion, smiling and clingy as always. He once said ‘ my body is yours to enjoy” and that says a lot about his attitude.
 In the morning we had breakfast in hotel and then parted ways. My watch stopped at 1.30. , battery dead I thought so went to soi 5 market to see if I can get it fixed. Battery was good, It was mechanism which died after 25 years of service. But it turned new oner can be had for 400 and watch will be ready in 4 hrs. Then to XOne to exchange money. In the afternoon jet lag started to rise its ugly head but I couldn’t sleep. Guardian Angel passed by and suggested I walk to Prince in  Soi Suan Plu 6 so I did. On main street I noticed barbers are charging 150 for haircut  , shop after shop so went in  first without customers and got spruced up.
 In front of Prince , like last time , James whom I saw first time in Arena back in 2013 welcomed me but somehow Guardian Angel told me to check inside who is available. And there he was – L ,another  guy I was watching on Grindr. Not just standing there but smiling at me so my choice was easy. Mamasan talked me to take VIP room , I gladly did , after all it’s my 1st day on month long trip. 1.5 hr. session , I thought I’m in paradise or something. Massage great and guy even better, knowing well his job and sensing why I’m there. Stupidly I left my phone in the room so we couldn’t exchange  Line or WhatsApp.
My only hope was I will find him on Grindr and contact him there or if comes to worst , will return to Prince in day or two. What I secured from L was that he is very willing to do Long Time. It looked that between D and L I will have Bangkok part of tip secured.
In the evening meetup in Foodland with two forum members, talk over dinner and when time came , we all three went to Tawan.
 Bar was full, not that it’s hard task to fill it up, but full it was. It was quite refreshing to be in bar knowing that I ‘m not looking for an off. Of course K planted himself  right beside me so I treated him with drink but told him right away, no offs tonight because I like girls now.
 
After show we parted ways , I went to Dreamboys to see what was going on the scene and of course picked up D  for another round  of stamp collecting.
 
Great start for the trip , that day one.
 
 
 
 

When I was there, most of the area was closed, only one row of sunloungers. Clearly that is no longer the case, and, as I said, the work was to be completed end January.  I was offered the W option, but that's a bit of a bore, having to wait for a bus, go to another hotel, not knowing whether that pool is busy etc. I look forward to seeing renovations in November. 

I stayed at Le Meridien last week. The pool is lovely and quiet, with a very nice bar. (You can see the King Power Mahanakhon building - the one with the "glass tray" skywalk - from poolside.) They resumed the pool area renovations the last day or two of my stay, but it was no problem. Only a small part of the poolside area - maybe 10%? - was blocked off, although I guess that could have changed since I left.

Their world  famous, Michelin awarded breakfast offer between 5.30 am an 9 am, for 84 baht, will serve you 2 eggs with winner, tea or coffee, glass of juice, 2 toasts with jam and butter. After 9 price steeply climbs to 93 baht

Another one was that internet will stop spreading false news as, everybody can check the facts easily. And now  where we are?
Soon takers of vaccines and believers in round earth will be endangered and hopefully protected minority. So much about those promises. 

As I sit eating my last cashew chicken of the trip I thought I would make a summery of the trip.
First off, end of December to mid January the weather has been great, not to much humidity great temperature.
I tried to do things I hadn’t before and it was a lot of fun!
I met a lot of people including at brand massage shops and I enjoyed it.  Under Freshboys is The Dragon a poolbar is great for people watching and the staff is amazing!
Tarntawan Hotel remains a good choice. It seems checking in boys is optional.  Hotel could do with a refresher.   Raya was nicer and I loved I could watch New Years fireworks from my room.
Bolt was challenging but BTS, MRT and ferries work great and good value. 
Arena was, by far, my favorite in Bangkok this trip.  Thanks to a massage guy , I know that’s shocking.  Elsewhere time usually gets shorted not there every visit went over.
i discovered Milo KitKats  loved them!
Loved my visit thanks tO those who helped make it great.

One last cashew chicken for the road!

Yes, I've heard, he's way ahead of you....trying to colonize various countries in the hemisphere as well.