Enchanted_Elixir

I think the difference in pricing is sometimes overstated. If you disregard what the newbie tourist would pay. The difference in pricing reflects the market segment you’re operating in, as the opening poster was not clear about. You go out of CBD and you pay less, but you may sacrifice convenience and accessibility. Thais who go to zoo spa in Sukhumvit pay 3000 Baht in tip for a masseur with model like appearance and report the same low level of service and dissatisfaction. They go to Jey spa and pay the same and the reviews are glowing. There might be a price difference in regards to women clients: Here is an excerpt about straight men: «Among workers in various types of sex venues, men working in host bars claim to receive more female clients than gay men. The fact that they attract more female clients than their colleagues engaged in other types of male sex work makes them proud and bolsters their masculine, heterosexual identities. Some of them claim to provide services to women for free, or at a lower rate than they charge gay male clients.”» https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14672715.2023.2221679#d1e137

This thread is fascinating.

Have you been this pompous in all your 15 years on the forum?

You invited him in 🤷‍♂️

Quite so. It turns out even in the most transactional environments, not everything comes with a price list. A small mercy, perhaps.

Be careful or I might start to write you angry DMs 😉

That was subtle.

Why would the words of an ignorant 6 month member have any consequence for you?

The claim that you have met, spoken with, or even dined with ChristianPFC, and that there exists a discrepancy between his online persona and his real-life character, is not the decisive argument you present it as. It rests on a category error. What we encounter on this forum is not the private individual, but a deliberately constructed public persona. His blog, posts, and interactions here are curated outputs. They are authored, sustained, and projected into a public space. This public space is the relevant object of analysis. From this, two points follow. First, if there is indeed a discrepancy between the online persona and the private individual, then criticism directed at him here is necessarily aimed at the persona he has chosen to present. It does not purport to judge his private character. Appeals to “how he is in real life” therefore fail as a defence. They address a different subject altogether. Second, social context matters. Behaviour is not uniform across settings. You describe interactions among peers, in situations where there is no asymmetry of power or dependence. That tells us little. Character is more meaningfully assessed by how one engages with the vulnerable. Finally, even if we momentarily accept a Baudrillardian frame, where the distinction between the real and the hyperreal collapses, your argument weakens further rather than strengthens. If the online and offline selves are inseparable, then the digital persona is not a distortion but an extension of the real. It carries equal ontological weight. In that case, actions, tone, and positions expressed online are not dismissible as performance. They are constitutive of the person. So either the online persona is distinct, in which case it stands on its own and is open to critique without reference to private impressions, or it is inseparable from the “real” individual, in which case critique applies all the more directly. In neither case does your argument do the work you think it does.

Sure they do also review some very local shops too, but from what I read these are not worth the hassle (for me at least, but if you’re bored you might want to) of seeking out as they seem to be very out of the way from the BTS and MRT. They may not offer a level of service that is worth seeking out as long as Saphan Khwai area is as accessible as it is. Time to destination, accessibility and convenience are also factors to consider besides price 😉

I understand you, but you may be overthinking it. They tend to review shops which tend to be frequented by people on this forum such as Jey Spa and Phoenix. There are shops like BKK Signature that are mostly frequented by locals but that is due to geography, that it is outside of the main CBD, and not because there are subtle barriers for non-locals.

Why don’t you go and see for yourself and report back.

For full service (H) you would expect to pay on average around 1500. In the Saphan Khwai shops it is around 1100 to 1200 in minimum tips. In the silom shops that do full service, like Senso, it is 1800 minimum tips. In the higher end shops it is 2000++ You pay less for B2B. If you go for the rough trade you can expect to pay around 500-700. However, please use a condom and remember that herpes can spread via skin contact with infected areas outside of the condom. This is based on what locals report they pay via Line groups dedicated to this and not on what some farangs thinks prices should be. If you have what it takes then you can of course get things for free in the non-commercial market.

Allegation? That is a super interesting take. What do you wish to achieve here? You have a history of altercations with various forum members and have driven at least one thoughtful and interesting poster away from this forum, bkkmfj. You won’t drive me away. We have different opinions on a many things. That is fine, live and let live. Address any outstanding issues you have with me by DM.

A cheap shot. While I do not always agree with mauRICE, he has a depth to his opinions borne out of real experience on the ground that you often lack.

Not at all, I don’t give a flying rat fuck.

Good for you!

sorry, I am not particularly inclined to use this forum’s shoddy search function to satisfy your curiosity. Let us just say we have different opinions and leave it at that.

I am not the first to make it and I stand by my assessment. I know very well he’s not an old dude.

I stand by my assessment after reading his blog and his numerous contributions to this and another forum over the years. I follow numerous Thai Line review groups of massage, and know two of them in person, and do have a pretty good idea what prices the local middle class pay.

As you said yourself, there is nothing wrong with saving a few baht, especially if you’re broke.

I know, but I couldn’t help myself 🙂 . However, the forum is quite full of recommendations on venues to explore.

Hi boyjt and welcome to the forum For gays to explore in Bangkok you can open Grindr or Hornet, plenty of gays there. Nox is pretty new and far away from Silom and centre.. See if you can find some of their guys working in other and closer venues. Glam’s is a solid upmarket choice and guaranteed H. Good luck!

Guys, don’t take the bait. You know Christian gets a dominance boost out of pressing prices/tips as low as he can.

From what I hear on the grapevine, it depends on the masseur. Shino will not offer H, but you might have better luck with First or Babe.