ChristianPFC

I don't come here for charity, and if there is a misunderstanding I will extricate myself in a way that is as polite and costs me as little money as possible. About 2022 I went to a Saphan Khwai massage place and asked for a particular boy by his picture from Line. I went to take a shower and wait in the room, and another boy turned up, and he was not my type. I went back to reception and it turns out he has the same name, and the one I was asking for is not available. But that will not do for me, I got dressed, said a few words of comfort, and left, without paying anything.

We would have to compare profiles or pictures if those I consider too old and fat are acceptable sexual partners for you.

I did online dating and gay saunas in Mumbai and Delhi and gave up. First, most profiles don't have their face pictures, and if you get their pictures, mostly old and fat. In public life you see a few cute, but online dating and gay saunas so poor, I gave up. Details in my blog https://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2024/04/no-gay-activities-feb2024-india.html

How did you change from massage (I assume masseur fully dressed) to nude to sex? And what did it cost and how much negotiations are involved? Those are the parts that I dread, if there is any glitch, I lose interest.

Such thing has never happened to me, and I would not let it happen that they switch masseur to someone I didn't choose (unless he is my type, but chances are very small). I would leave without tip, not even fee for shop unless paid in advance. I dislike discussing activities and remuneration during massage, that's why I go to places where both is clear from start.

"Outside" is literal translation from Thai, and both in Thai and English the main meaning is one of location (outside of a room or building), and in Thai language gay slang it means "non-penetrative sex".

Whereas I prefer places where it's clear from the start that we will have fun and at what price. That's why I go to SK and Inthamara and Ladphrao and not to Silom/Sathorn/Sukhumvit. From my experience there, I dare say your encounter was an outlier.

That's offensive to those who are not money boy. Anyway, default should be sex for fun, and I always wait for them to ask for money, never offer.

That's a no-brainer. February is the best weather in Thailand, April the worst (hot and humid). Furthermore, Thai New Year falls in April. Some people like it, others don't to the extent of leaving the country.

How romantic! No seriously, would have totally killed my mood. No extras, no tip if such thing ever happens to me. This place? (Sathorn, Nang Linchi, Chan Gao) https://maps.app.goo.gl/nmsb1qDHJQyBnNKH9

Grindr has been my least favorite app (I prefer Hornet, Blued/HeeSay, Romeo) for the reasons mentioned above and for being buggy (various delays and problems that I attribute to poor programming). Issues with login and with saved messages. To the extent that I don't use it any more.

If I were in OP's situation, I would stand in front of the place, let my eyes wander over the available boys, then look at the menu or ask for the menu and study it carefully, while occasionally lifting my view to the available boys, hoping to catch the sight of the one I want but who is busy with his phone. If that does not work, ask the other boys about the chosen one or make an excuse and leave. Did it ever occur to you that he might reach out to everyone who passes by? There was a massage boy near my place in Bangkok. He smiled or waved to me every time I passed his workplace, and I entertained thoughts of getting now him better. But then we crossed paths on the road or in 7-Eleven three times, he didn't recognize or ignored me. That's all I need to know, his interest in me is entirely for business. If he had smiled to me one of these times, that would have settled the deal.

Philippines are on my list of places to go, but not high. I read and heard about poor safety. All the Pinoy boys I met so far were only average.

I get rarely hit up for money, and if, I almost always refuse without spending much thought on it. Maybe the Thai can pick up who is an easy target? And I'm not. It would need a track record of several meetings, with efficient communication, being on time and good activities in bed, for me to consider sending money. And even then it would be more the person than the situation. I would be more prone to help someone without character flaws with a small problem, than someone with character flaws with a big problem.

It comes with long periods of prosperity. For decades, for every tourist they disenchanted by their behavior, two new would turn up.

Cold winters? Poor boy business when coming as a tourist? Language and cultural barrier? You mentioned you grew up in Japan. I have never been and can only judge from what I read.

You're not the only one. Many times that I had a good encounter, and I think the boy as well, and I would go out of my way for a repeat but am met with at best indifference. And I don't know what went wrong! Or I reach out to a boy several times and met with indifference and laziness. And then suddenly a message: "Christian, I miss you, I love you ... and I need money!" Well, sorry, ask whoever you spend all the weeks I tried to meet you with to help you with money. I rarely send money any more, only cases where the boy has proved reliable and good in bed several times, of which there are only few (boys).

Along Rop Krung Canal, both sides, north and south of Saphan Hok. Varying numbers and quality.

I gave up going to Bangkok Gogo bars for this reason. I have some regulars from online from before Covid who come to my room for 1000. But recently I'm struggling to get boys to come to my room for 1000, might have to raise to 1500. Street trade still going strong for 500, speaking Thai is useful here.

That will be a long wait for the customer, 30 min at least, to travel from there (15M or Phetboy) to On Nut. Between Saphan Khwai and Inthamara massage shops, they need at least 15 minutes.

(Toy Boys) When I last went, there was an item "short time" in the menu 1500. I don't pay 1500 for short time in Pattaya (nor anywhere else), so I asked if boys can go for 1000. Mamasan said it depends on the boy, but the one I was after was adamant on 1500. Sorry, cannot. That has happened before, that a boy from Toy Boys wanted 1500. Add their practice of having handsome boys outside in jeans to lure customers in, but not going on stage in underwear, Toy Boys has been on my black list for over 5 years (with one lapse about 2022 to see if they are operating in a way that I approve of, to be disappointed).

That's a time I would absolutely avoid going anywhere in China. I have seen pictures of tourist attractions covered in people. I wouldn't want to deal with booked out trains and buses and hotels and restaurants closed for holiday.

My experiences in Hong Kong in 2019 were so poor, both saunas and online, that I gave up and didn't even look for saunas or online when I went again in Apr2024. Considering I'm coming from or going to Thailand, I save my time and money for Thailand.

Thanks for posting. I was not aware that there was such a proliferation of onsen. I have been to Kaikan, expensive at 450 THB, but clean and well managed. With a bit of luck, I spotted gay activities. Details in my blog: https://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2023/10/gay-activities-sep2023-thailand.html I have a full list of gay saunas in Bangkok: https://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2023/09/bangkok-gay-saunas-2023.html and have to update for onsen some day. There is "Waterboy Onsen" which is a gay sauna and just uses "onsen" to have a fancier name. There are some genuine saunas in Bangkok, where sexes are separated but no gay activity at all. These have real hot saunas and steam rooms and cold pools, whereas most gay saunas are only lukewarm. Details here: https://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2017/06/normal-saunas-in-thailand.html https://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2014/09/silom-sauna-in-sathorn-sri-bam-pen.html

When I was looking for long time in 2012-2014, I had similar problems. But nowadays I sleep better alone and do long time only if the boys suggests or someone I had several good short times with and I suggest long time and specify details. Two years ago I had such case (I asked the boy for long time), and he had to leave at 6 am, so we woke up 5 am to have an hour together, but not worth the extra money, next time leave it at short time. You can buy smiles, but you can't change their behavior with money. I had such cases as well, where the boy would rather get a small amount of money by scamming me (e.g. advance payment for travel) instead of a repeated higher income by honest work. I have learnt a lot over the years (2009 my first trip), and many disappointments and a lot of money wasted.