ChristianPFC

"Dream boys is the iPad amongst the gogo bars." (Brainfart by ChristianPFC, I want to say new customers heard of it from their friends, it's THE place to go, the owner did advertise at the righ place - but in the end you can get the same elsewhere, much cheaper.) I congratulate the owner for having a full bar every night (as far as I know from the forum) at these prices, but thank you, I will go elsewhere. One boring day I will sit opposite and count number of customers and boys going in and out for a full night. (I imagine a plot - number of customers or boys on the y-axis and time on the x-axis.)

When I started to post, I was accused of being a troll a few times, hence I am lenient with trolls. I can well imagine a newbie being scared by threats of police. I have been threatened with police three times (two Thais and one Farang), two of them drunk. All outside my room, so I can just laugh and walk away. Such threats are from a position of weakness, as a last resort. It's like a barking dog, he want's to see your reaction, whether you show fear or not. If such thing happened in my room (or hotel room), I would tell the boy to leave, and shove him out if he doesn't go (I am bigger than the average Thai I date). I had three boys being angry with me and write "fuck you", but that was based on misunderstandings, now they all would go with me.

Nothing serious so far, but several close calls, recently made a list: http://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2014/10/christianpfc-gets-hit-by-car.html In addition to that list, twice hurt my big toe (blood), lightly hurt my head a few times, slipped and fell once (wet tiles, flip-flops) and many times almost fell. Several colds or running nose and one or two herpes. With such conditions, it's not advisible to have sex and spread it, anyway I don't feel like having sex when I have a cold. Living here, you can just sit it out, but when on holiday it's very annoying.

Maybe, but there was no treatment for sexually transmitted diseases. Or the treatment was inefficient or the side effects as bad as the disease. I wouldn't trade modern medicine for all the sex any king could have had.

Let's not forget modern medicine and heating or aircon (depending where you live). I would say the average member of this board leads a better life than Louis XIV, I four sure would not want to change and be king of France 300 years ago compared to the life I am leading now.

If the birthday celebration interrupts normal bar activity, you should rent the bar for private party (and if this idea doens't occur to you, the manager/owner should suggest so). I do not want to suddenly find myself in a loud birthday party, probably with limited choice of boys to off. Back to the op. What is unacceptable behaviour to one is a welcome change to others. I would regard hanky-panky (blow job, wanking) between customers and boys as added value, others say "get a room". There was a case reported (in Sunee, half a year or a year ago) on the forums where one attractive female got bare-breast (and more), getting all straight boys in the bar hard and dripping with precum. I would pay extra to watch that. But the case in the op, count me out. I want to see boys in underwear on stage, not females doing a conga.

I was thinking about Central Europe as well. I would draw the line by language: Roman (except for Romanian) and Germanic languages is Western Europe, Slavic languages Eastern Europe. And what about Greece?

This is indeed true. Thung Mahamek Privacy Hotel (near 7/11 opppoiste Malaysia) has short time rooms only for mixed gender couples, I had to book a full night (650 Baht) to take a boy there (last year, when I was still living in Lak Si). Similar for a hotel in south Pattaya that charges 200 Baht for ladyboy or gay: http://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2013/12/notes-in-hotel-in-south-pattaya.html (a friend used to stay there, now he goes elsewhere)

The view on this issue is a bit obscured by "screaming Chinese females". Gender and nationality does not matter, the important part that they disturbed other customers and the owner/manager/staff didn't prevent them from doing so; even encouraged it by moving other customers (very rude by my standards, shows complete lack of respect). It doesn't matter if it's straight Chinese woman or gay White men who disturb other customers. Fortunately I have never been in such a situation, and it's difficult to tell if I would argue with staff about moving (suggesting I leave immediately without paying) or be so surprised that I don't realize I'm being screwed and follow their orders.

Unacceptable behaviour (the loud-mouthed Chinese females, getting on the stage; and the Thai staff moving other customers to the side). I have no problem with women in bars, as long as they behave. They should book the bar for a private party. I certainly do want to get into such a situation as a customer.

Big C Ratchadamri. I can confirm toilet cruising there (there are even signs in Thai not to perform any indecent/obscene activities in the toilets, the Thai word is ลามกอนาจาร laa-mók a-naa-jaan). Others are Silom Complex and The Mall Bangkapi. Sometimes there is one, sometimes two, sometimes no-one. Have yet to participate in such activities.

I was positively impressed with Adam's apple two years ago, and it's on my list of places to go again on my next trip (tentatively 16.-21.10.2014, overlapping with op's). Hope to find time to visit other gogo bars, saunas and discos as well.

You don't have to buy a drink to off a boy (have done so several times). For girl bars, things are different, as far as I understand from the internet. This subject has been discussed in dept here: http://bangkokbois-gay-thailand-blog.com/2014/10/07/getting-off-by-being-offed/

I have been in the "space" room about a year ago with a boy who didn't want to be seen in Sunee Plaza because he used to work there before. Back to the op: there is absolutely no reason not to take the boy back to your hotel, no need for short time rooms. One of the things I don't get: people fly half around the world to hire prostitutes, but are too timed to say "no" to drink requests from staff or to take boys back to their hotel.

Have met him by chance in Soi 4 and DJ station months ago and can confirm that he speaks good English and has good manners and is fun to be around. But I didn't go further. Blackonesexy 14754026

I didn't pay attention, but I think I remember most gogo bars I went to in Pattaya had boys in socks and/or shoes on stage.

Relaxing Sauna is still there and worth a visit. Black Beans Karaoke is still open. Details here: http://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2014/09/relaxing-sauna-in-ubon-ratchathani.html http://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2014/09/gay-venues-in-ubon-ratchathani.html

4. Notre Dame de Paris (and Dalida monument) - (I know and so much more - A moveable feast - (done) What do you think is so special about Notre Dame de Paris? I have been there, and in Chartres, but know cathedrals of Amiens, Reims, Rouen, ... only from pictures. I think Notre Dame de Paris is nothing special compared to the others, it just has the advantage of being in the centre of Paris. I haven't heard of Dalida, and don't remember seeing the monument from my trips in Paris. Missed Montmartre cemetery (but went to most other cemeteries in Paris, they are wonderful). My list of places would mainly include buildings, especially art nouveau (Barcelona, Bruxelles, maybe Riga, Prague, Budapest) plus Albi Cathedral (southwestern France). I have spent considerable time in Paris, and some time in Berlin (I lived in Berlin for 7 years, but spend all my time studying!) and Vienna, but only one day trip to London. That is something I will rectify some time (spending more time in London, provided the weather is acceptable and I can find cheap accommodation, preferably staying for free with a friend like in Vienna). Of the places others mention, I have been to Paris, Egypt (Pyramids, Luxor, Karnak, Abu Simbel, around 1991), Athens, Jerusalem, Angkor Wat. But there is a difference between exploring places by your own over weeks and months and speaking the language (Paris, Thailand), and going on group tours for one week (holidays with my parents when I was a child: Egypt, Sicily, Greece, Ireland, Israel).

You should get the boy's phone number to call him directly and ask if he is at work now. Works with one boy I know. I know that feeling, coming for a particular boy (but I don't call because I know it's pointless) and he is not in. Then trying to find out if and when he will come back. My two favorite massage boys in Bangkok are away. With one I have lost contact (phone, Line, will inquire in his working place if they know where he went), the other is in his home town (and we talked a few times on the phone, he has no money to come to Bangkok - my estimate less than 200 Baht and 3 hours trip - and asks me to send him money online). It takes me several tries until I find a boy I want to have massage with again, every time spend about 500 + 1000 Baht and two hours including travel.

Recently visited Phuket (stayed in Patong) and was pleasantly surprised, all the bad press is unjustified in my opinion. However currently they don't allow chairs and umbrellas on the beach. If you just want beach, I would go to a mainland beach (but can't recommend any, I am not a beach person) to save time and cost for ferry and I assume prices are higher on islands as everything has to be transferred.

What do you mean by "travel buddy"? Genuine traveling in Thailand (provinces other than Bangkok, Pattaya, Chiang Mai, Phuket) or just meet for a drink and chat?

Go to saunas.

It's true, there is barbed wire on top of the walls (that do not reach the ceiling). Someone must have been brain dead to put barbed wire in a sauna darkroom / labyrinth.

Not much about gay Ubon on the web (search ubon ratchathani gay). I will go in a few days, does anyone have updates on the data above? Looking for sauna, massage, disco, karaoke, cruising areas, moneyboys, not interested in online dating.

Can you tell a bit more about Kai? How long has he been working there and what does he look like? I am looking for techniques similar to your description. One wrong word ("How much do you tip?" "Do you want chuk wao?") can destroy everything for me, best not to speak at all during massage.